[WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex fiber module
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:30, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Those of you familiar with which ones work do you know which model from this website will work best? http://www.oemoptic.com/ The whole point of SFPs is that (in theory, anyway) they're pretty much interchangeable, so long as you have the same optics at both ends and compatible fiber between. For mine, we've got the official Trango ones in a couple radios, a couple horribly-overpriced Dell ones, and a bunch of $50 ones from Newegg, and they all inter-operate perfectly. If you're using multi-mode fiber (and for a tower, you probably are), something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833516014 will work just fine. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 06:42, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. If you can avoid it, don't put two radios on the same band, in the same enclosure. A 2.4 and 5.3 are okay, but if you have two 2.4 radios (for example) you may have weird cross-talk and interference issues. If you're not sure, just put up that second board; it's only a couple hundred bucks, and could save you a lot of headaches. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 08:47, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Depends on the radio, but the Mikrotik R52N cards have been a bit flaky - mostly weird problems where the receive sensitivity doesn't seem to be as good as some of their older cards. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:47:22AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
This looks a lot like multipath. What size grid are you using? For only 3 miles a small 15 dB or less panel should be more than enough. Try moving the end up or down, sometimes by only a couple of feet. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Here is a good one! I have a short link of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not see the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Look for things like buildings with new metal roofs etc. in the path... marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things. I take your alignment is right. I would at this point suspect interference. What has your weather been like? I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do that. I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some serious ducting events. It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is trapped by warmer upper air. Can you get your hands on an analyzer? Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the money. It runs great on my netbook. If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight it to you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too. Thanks! On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna. That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult position. I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8. It can tell you a lot for a simple device. Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up the power? Did someone deploy Canopy close to you? I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a spare Ethernet cable last night. No help. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot. You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension cable. If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing loss, I would suspect the CAT5? Spare one up the tower? Can you pull a new one? Did you recrimp the ends? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Send some really large packet count pings to the device. Do you see any loss? There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular radio scanners won't see. Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer? Friendly Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Rick I didn't read the entire thread, but generally when you see a low TX like that on Ubiquiti and the RSSI indicates it should be stronger it's an ACK issue, specifically too short of an ack calculation. Make sure you are using a fixed ACK on those, and that it is set high enough to cover the distance. Regards Michael Baird Nope. Crawling as it has been since Tuesday afternoon. 6.5Mbps tx is slw. Got some sleep so going back now. Any all ideas are welcome! On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net mailto:spie...@avolve.net wrote: But is it working now ? -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:39:06 -0400 Well, Faisal was kind enough to log into the AP (Rocket5 w/5G-20 sector) while I climbed up to align it. He said chain 0 1 were unbalanced. So, I changed out the radio, antenna, cables. Balance issue fixed but throughput to problem tower still bad. So, I went back to the problem tower and worked on it all night. I climbed so many times I lost count. I'm almost out of ideas. I did some spectrum analysis on a BM5 and a NanoBridge. I have attached an AP screen capture, a map of the tower link and ping scans of the 2 stations (one works well, the other does not) same AP, different locations. BTW: BIG THANKS to Faisal. He worked with me until 2:30am! He would've gone longer but I think he fell asleep while I was driving to the bad tower. I going to get some shut eye myself now. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:48 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've had several UBNT devices lose output power suddenly. Then one side of the link is about 18-20 db lower than the other, and the throughput goes away, badly. Do you have a large RXSL differences between sides on any link? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Here is a good one! I have a short link of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not see the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail
[WISPA] International Fiber
Anyone familiar with fiber routes / connections in Africa? Specifically in Zambia. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Major Disaster
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
You need to see what is going through your network from that AP. My suggestion is to get a packet sniffer set up between the AP and the Backhaul. You want to narrow the scope of your search with regards to the problem. The the problem could be caused by the type of traffic on your network or caused by the frequency that you are using or is caused by a hardware problem. - Larry Yunker _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Do you have public IPs on this tower, can one of us log in and look? Are you keeping cacti or MRTG graphs of your signal strength etc? If I still lived in Boonville I would be over in a heart-beat! ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
900MHz is scary to work with...we've seen problems in the past from someone just getting a wireless 900MHz baby monitor that would affect others in the general area of the home. It could also be that someone is hogging or trashing your bandwidth too. Do you implement any type of QoS? On 08/18/2010 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
anybody using multiple ubnt sr71-15 with/without any inteference issue? Thank you in advance That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:47:22AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
My first instinct is this is a traffic issue. Are you monitoring traffic through the AP and SM's? Possible sources: Customer with an infected PC spewing upstream IP camera with a remote viewer - will use as much BW as it can gobble up P2P application seeding multiple streams - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
bridge loop? arp storm? That's an awful lot of clients on that one AP. If all your CPEs are in bridge mode you could have alot of customer routers creating an arp storm for you. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Do you have public IPs on this tower, can one of us log in and look? Are you keeping cacti or MRTG graphs of your signal strength etc? If I still lived in Boonville I would be over in a heart-beat! ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
All clients Changed channels several times NGL -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Also, is there a spectrum analyzer or something that will tell you what the noise looks like? It may be new interference. Possible sources: - Smart Meters - Farm Equipment Control Systems - Another 900MHz WISP (Canopy will beat up an 802.11 based 900 system) - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
Kurt had an insteresting thread awhile back where he had 2 cards and a spectrum analyzer. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:16:31 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 06:42, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. If you can avoid it, don't put two radios on the same band, in the same enclosure. A 2.4 and 5.3 are okay, but if you have two 2.4 radios (for example) you may have weird cross-talk and interference issues. If you're not sure, just put up that second board; it's only a couple hundred bucks, and could save you a lot of headaches. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If you're assigning static IP's to customers, make sure you don't have a conflict. In the past with issues like this I would just start bumping people, starting with the newest ones first, until the issue clears up. We now run monitors that track down issues like this pretty quick too. Dude has helped us tremendously in situations like this. Sounds like a client may have a virus and is killing your system - especially if you're bridged. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster All clients Changed channels several times NGL -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ -- From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterWe have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Can you check for packet loss on the loop? We've seen this kind of thing happen when a nic card in a BH radio went bad and started dropping a steady 20% of the packets. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.comwrote: You need to see what is going through your network from that AP. My suggestion is to get a packet sniffer set up between the AP and the Backhaul. You want to narrow the scope of your search with regards to the problem. The the problem could be caused by the type of traffic on your network or caused by the frequency that you are using or is caused by a hardware problem. - Larry Yunker -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:05 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:48 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ backhaul is on 900 too? -- From: Leon D. Zetekoffwa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it¹s either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:56:12 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Reports Due Sept. 1st
This is a reminder that the FCC Form 477 Report is due September 1st. All broadband service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power line providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC's Form 477. The Form 477 is due twice a year - in March and September. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ File https://specialreports.fcc.gov/wcb/Form477/ Online Tutorial http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf Technical http://www.fcc.gov/form477/techfaqs.html FAQ This is not an invitation to discuss the politics which created this law. It is a law that Broadband Providers need to abide by. Providers that do not abide by this law are more at risk of subsidized overbuild through Broadband Stimulus Grants and other funded sources. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 12:00 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? also what are signal levels from CPEs and backhauls? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] International Fiber
Check the maps on telecomramblings.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/18/2010 10:02 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone familiar with fiber routes / connections in Africa? Specifically in Zambia. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If you have 50 clients on 5MHz you need to change IMO. - Original Message - From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ -- From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterThat is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:56:12 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ^ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ^ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ^ Tower Climbing ^ Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Ryan is correct. 50 clients on 900 5mhz is quite a bit, even at sub 128k service levels. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:12:03 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 12:18 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: That is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net is this a bridged or routed network? One thing you might also want to try is PPPoE authentication to get rid of the broadcast traffic interfering with data. 5 mHz channels is really a slow channel as others mentioned with all those CPEs. We only went down to 10 mHz channels that worked well once other things were fixed (like routers/bridged) Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Hey Marlon, Thanks for the input. One thing I put wrong here was the link is actually 6 miles. I doubt it's multipath though since both ends are on towers that are on hilltops much higher than the surrounding area with clear LOS. I tried several radios antenna combos though from big to small. It was the big Rocket5 Dish that finally fixed it. Thanks again! -RickG On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: This looks a lot like multipath. What size grid are you using? For only 3 miles a small 15 dB or less panel should be more than enough. Try moving the end up or down, sometimes by only a couple of feet. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Here is a good one! I have a short link of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not see the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Michael, Thanks for the tip. I saw you mentioned this previously and fixed a few flaky issues by turning off auto. Thanks again! -RickG On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Rick I didn't read the entire thread, but generally when you see a low TX like that on Ubiquiti and the RSSI indicates it should be stronger it's an ACK issue, specifically too short of an ack calculation. Make sure you are using a fixed ACK on those, and that it is set high enough to cover the distance. Regards Michael Baird Nope. Crawling as it has been since Tuesday afternoon. 6.5Mbps tx is slw. Got some sleep so going back now. Any all ideas are welcome! On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: But is it working now ? -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:39:06 -0400 Well, Faisal was kind enough to log into the AP (Rocket5 w/5G-20 sector) while I climbed up to align it. He said chain 0 1 were unbalanced. So, I changed out the radio, antenna, cables. Balance issue fixed but throughput to problem tower still bad. So, I went back to the problem tower and worked on it all night. I climbed so many times I lost count. I'm almost out of ideas. I did some spectrum analysis on a BM5 and a NanoBridge. I have attached an AP screen capture, a map of the tower link and ping scans of the 2 stations (one works well, the other does not) same AP, different locations. BTW: BIG THANKS to Faisal. He worked with me until 2:30am! He would've gone longer but I think he fell asleep while I was driving to the bad tower. I going to get some shut eye myself now. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:48 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've had several UBNT devices lose output power suddenly. Then one side of the link is about 18-20 db lower than the other, and the throughput goes away, badly. Do you have a large RXSL differences between sides on any link? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Here is a good one! I have a short link of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not see the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
I love UBNT. I've been upgrading backhauls to RocketM's and CPE to BulletM's and/or NanoM's. Customers keep mentioning the network seems faster faster. The word on the street is we're faster than cable dsl! The only issue I've had so far is that the legacy radios dont like UBNT AP's. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:48 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:47:22AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterThere are some troubleshooting steps you need to take. I don't see them listed here. Call me and we'll talk this out some more. 509.988.0260 First, what speed do you see on the network from the noc? What speed at the end of the backhaul? What happens when you go to a customer's site and change the ssid on the ap and client and run a test. Basically, you want to keep cutting the network in half until you find a point at which the failure is taking place. They are working on my phone right now so give me till about 1pm pacific time and drop me a line while you are at the tower site. 509.988.0260 laters, marlon - Original Message - From: ~NGL~ To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster That is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:56:12 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ^ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ^ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ^ Tower Climbing ^ Network Support -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better. Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP and clients? Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
I would say you are overloading the AP. Probably caused by a client
sending a bunch of junk packets and overloading it. What is the
modulation speed that your clients are connecting at? I would try
disabling the clients that are running 1mbs, see if that helps.
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
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On 8/18/2010 2:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
It sounds like you are focusing in on a radio problem but you have ignored the possibility of a traffic-related problem. You need to recognize that in a non-polling or a dynamic-polling environment, the upstream traffic from your clients will have an impact on the performance of your network and can quite literally overwhelm the processor on many access points. - Larry Yunker _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:05:07 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Major Disaster I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2 down] Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul We have done the following: Changed the AP Rewired the tower Replaced the power to the AP Any suggestions as to what problem is. We are a small company and this could break us NGL _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
If I replace the 180 degree antenna and replace it with 3 tr-902 -11 what
spacing do I need between them?
NGL
--
From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:02 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Don't know if this is possible at your site, but can you add a second AP? Just
switch polarity, channels and try to separate the antenna by 10'+
Then start moving clients over until you have them ~50/50.
Good luck.
On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
--
From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Whoops, sorry. My last reply suggested adding an AP w/different polarity. That would require going to 1/2 the clients and rotating their antenna. (was thinking of Trango's automatic polarity switching) On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18% At time getting to AP is ify Firmware is 5.0.5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Don't use the 180Degree antenna.
use 2 TR-902-11 they have 55*H and 60*V... should be good to go with 2.
I would also look into a zcomax in a mikrotik or at the least, an EL-900:
http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EL-900-Series @ $300 they are not
too bad.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:
If I replace the 180 degree antenna and replace it with 3 tr-902 -11 what
spacing do I need between them?
NGL
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From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:02 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about
18%
At time getting to AP is ify
Firmware is 5.0.5
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From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them
is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How
you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP
using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better.
Tranzeo radios just never scale very well. Had the same issues with
their TR-6000 2.4 APs. I would reduce the client count down to 20, and
see how the performance is. What are you seeing on the stats page under
the UMAC tab? Percentages of failed packets? Do you have a hard time
getting to the web interface for the AP? What firmware version on AP
and clients?
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 8/18/2010 11:12 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
Log into 5 customer radios.
Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs
SSID.
Change your AP SSID to match this new one.
Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s).
50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F.
ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
50 TR-902-11 as clients
All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the
speeds were starting to decline.
Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up
and
1.2 down]
Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
We have done the following:
Changed the AP
Rewired the tower
Replaced the power to the AP
Any suggestions as to what problem is.
We are a small company and this could break us
NGL
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[WISPA] UPS with IP
I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Finding cacti ethernet graphing template for MT 4.x
Hello, I am looking for some working Cacti traffic templates for Mikrotik routers, RouterOS version 4.x, for graphing ethernet interfaces. I found templates for 3.x, but they do not appear to work. I also found numerous 4.x templates for wireless interfaces, CPU load, et cetera, but I would really like one for Ethernet. Anyone have a link to a working template? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Finding cacti ethernet graphing template for MT 4.x
I am using the standard SNMP interface graphs for ethernet on my ROS4.X router. Seems to work well. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.comwrote: Hello, I am looking for some working Cacti traffic templates for Mikrotik routers, RouterOS version 4.x, for graphing ethernet interfaces. I found templates for 3.x, but they do not appear to work. I also found numerous 4.x templates for wireless interfaces, CPU load, et cetera, but I would really like one for Ethernet. Anyone have a link to a working template? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, A... -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
We do tripp lite SU750 series, like $350, plus the $200 IP card. The ups is dual conversion. Line interactive is garbage. Just sayin.. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, A... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
Good link. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, A... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any Munis using Ruckus? They have a city in India, I believe. (Can anyone else confirm this? I can't remember the city) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
Mumbai had a test network setup in part of the city last I knew. Not sure the purpose. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Reply-To: scubac...@gmail.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:09:09 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any Munis using Ruckus? They have a city in India, I believe. (Can anyone else confirm this? I can't remember the city) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput
Thank you all for your responses. I change the AP to B mode only, then set the ACK manually and now it's performance is on par with the Tr6600 we had before. I also changed 1 client to another AP. Mark On 08/12/2010 11:56 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Hi Everyone, I had a bunch of my equipment burnt on a tower. Previously I had all Tranzeo. Now I put up a Powerstation2 for my main AP with a Tranzeo 17 dbi sector. I'm getting a max throughput of around 3 mbits. That's looking at the throughput graphs in the PS2. Once I'm reaching that throughput though, pings to certain clients go way up to over 2 seconds. I do my testing from linux, using ping IP -i .01 -s 1024 or even take the 1024 up to 2048. I can do this to 3 clients at 1024 packet size.. Once I start pushing it to a 4th client, pings get lost and replies come back 2 seconds later. Is this normal?? I'm looking into it because I have clients complaining they loose connection completely sometimes. When I ping to 3 clients, I can hardly ping any other clients. no response. I've pinged the AP during this whole time and it never flaps. Very solid at a few ms. The previous Tranzeo AP had no problems. Clients are mostly Tranzeo SL2s and their distances vary from 1/2 mile to about 3 miles Here's the station list with their signal strength: Station MAC Signal, dBm Noise, dBm Tx Rate Rx Rate Idle (sec) 00:15:6D:1A:0A:05 -54 -96 48M 36M 0 00:60:B3:E9:24:25 -69 -96 24M 18M 0 00:13:4F:10:09:0F -49 -96 48M 36M 0 00:15:6D:1A:0F:D7 -74 -96 11M 18M 0 00:13:4F:00:C5:DB -78 -96 18M 5M 15 00:1C:F0:EA:57:06 -75 -96 11M 11M 0 00:13:4F:00:C5:C2 -72 -96 36M 18M 15 00:60:B3:45:37:60 -75 -96 11M 12M 0 00:13:4F:00:97:96 -52 -96 54M 36M 0 00:13:4F:00:8E:E5 -64 -96 48M 11M 0 00:13:4F:00:A6:E6 -65 -96 36M 24M 0 00:13:4F:00:C3:91 -77 -96 5M 12M 15 00:13:4F:00:B7:FA -82 -96 36M 1M 15 00:60:B3:59:89:54 -72 -96 36M 18M 0 00:13:4F:00:C5:C4 -77 -96 18M 12M 0 00:13:4F:00:A7:00 -76 -96 11M 12M 15 00:0B:6B:37:E5:2B -67 -96 24M 36M 15 00:13:4F:10:01:D5 -54 -96 11M 36M 0 00:13:4F:00:8B:83 -68 -96 36M 18M 0 00:13:4F:00:D8:08 -81 -96 12M 1M 0 00:13:4F:10:02:3E -73 -96 48M 12M 30 00:60:B3:E9:22:A0 -84 -96 1M 12M 0 Anyone have any idea what it could be? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
