Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Mike Hammett]

 MT just doesn't fit on UBNT hardware.

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On 9/27/2010 3:47 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


As I understand it there is bad Ju Ju between MT and UBNT

MT would do well to get over it and port RouterOS to UBNT

- Jerry

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *RickG

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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

What are the limitations of doing so, the hardware (UBNT) or software 
(MT)?


On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Greg Ihnen > wrote:


+1 on wanting a UBNT+MT combo (RouterOS on UBNT gear).

Greg

On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:



So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.
.
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Jack Unger]

  Jeromie,

A quick check of WISPA's billing survey did not turn up your name as a WISPA 
Member. If that is wrong and you are a Member then I warmly invite you to join 
the FCC Committee so you can provide your input and ideas regarding spectrum 
homesteading. If you are not a WISPA Member then I'm sorry but it would be 
improper to divulge FCC Committee Member discussions or documents to you. Feel 
free to give me a call or drop me an email offlist to discuss your options 
further.

Best Regards,

Jack Unger
Chair - WISPA FCC Committee


On 9/27/2010 9:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> What do you envision as a fair homesteading rule(s)? How do those
> rules deal with squatters, or people who do 'just enough' to keep
> others out? I am not completely against 'homesteading' but i am
> against 'squatting' and 'marginal acceptableness'. Do you have a
> document or such of your ideas on this?
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> I personally support your work on Spectrum Homesteading and we hope to
>> develop it further.  Unfortunately, the FCC committee was split and thus, it
>> was the advice of the FCC Chairman that we could not support it at this time
>> until the proposal matures further or the education of the FCC Committee
>> changes the balance of ayes and nays.  I definitely don't think it is a dead
>> issue.  We need to discuss it more and help it mature, it is definitely
>> worthwhile to pursue.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rick
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of John Scrivner
>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step
>>>
>>> There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
>>> spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.
>>> We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
>>> did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
>>> broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
>>> channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost...
>>> Scriv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy
>>>   wrote:
   OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
 available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to
>>> I
 stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
 oversimplified but that's where I have to start.

 Forbes

 On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my
>>> time.
> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>>
>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-
>>> services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves>> 30chat.net> wrote:
>>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a
>>> 10mhz
>>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear
>>> it
>>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>>
>>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels.
>>> One
>>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible.
>>> Even
>>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett>> il.net> wrote:
 That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable
>>> throughput
 you're going to have to find several channels together.

 With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might
>>> double that.
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a
>>> row) like
> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard
>>> channels?
> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis
>>>  wrote:
>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I go to it and it seems there are 

Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

[Jeromie Reeves]

I assumed so, but was not sure if there was any kind of 'feature' built into
it or not. Still, when the time comes, I will spend the time to try it,
whats the worst that will happen, be told no?

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  Forget it.
>
> The TV stations already think that they are loosing their space.
>
> They have fought this whole TVWS thing tooth and nail.  They won't be
> giving any waivers.
>
> Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>
> There are already RF/DOCSIS hybrid systems. DOCSIS is a very expensive idea
> to go with. The head end is the primary cost, but so its the client RF
> system. The system I looked at was 75K not counting the cable head or modems
> (this was also about 10 years ago, I have not heard that it was any cheaper
> today). If you already had a DOCSIS system then it helps. I think Ubnt would
> be a good contender here. It depends on the rules for channel bonding. If we
> have say 8 channels (40mhz) then we could use 40mhz airmax. Yummie. And, to
> my surprise, I have found palces with 15 channels open, and 10 miles up the
> valley, no upper channels at all open. I have been there, I have put a
> antenna up 30 feet (and more, a client has a 75ft crank tower for tv) and
> its pretty impossible to get more then a handful of channels, and most of
> the ones listed are not receivable. I do not know what options we have for
> those area, where they are in the coverage zone but have no signal due to
> mountains and such. Is there any mechanism in place, or being thought of,
> that would let us have a exemption or exception to the rules for channel
> sitting? Namely, Say I have 2 open channels, 30, 31. Can I ask 29 or 32 for
> a waver? "You can use this channel ,at this power, with your antenna(s)
> pointed as such that it does not  cause us interference". this would be very
> useful in a case where that channel (29/32) is used to TX (namely away from
> said market) and the clear channel is used to RX. We could then design the
> networks with lots of dirt between us and them. I knwo I have very tall
> mountains and many low site butting right up against them. I could blast out
> on some channels and the over lapping station would never hear me (mtns,
> distance, and direction) as well the market does not use their channels as
> they do not come in as it is. (We put in OTA & HD Antennas).
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Randy Cosby  wrote:
>
>>  I have not had time to read up on TVWS much yet, but just had a thought
>> over the weekend.  Wouldn't it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2010 1:53 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the cable companies are very worried about this situation.
>>
>>  http://www.cabletechtalk.com/white-spaces/
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:39 PM, "Scott Carullo" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I read the whole FCC document regarding what channels can be used.  In
>> one section it talks about fixed wireless under channel 21 but then in the
>> decision section under that it just made the general statement that channels
>> under 21 could not be utilized.  I only breezed through the document once.
>> Can someone answer the question of exactly what channels/frequencies are
>> available for use assuming that all channels are free from other operators
>> and none adjacent.  Once the list of possible candidate channels are listed
>> the available ones for use in a particular area can be further refined by
>> removing all the utilized and adjacent channels to the ones utilized --
>> leaving only ones that can actually be used.
>>
>> Next question to add - it would appear that there are currently no devices
>> that can operate in TV WS due to the FCC requirement to A) be certified for
>> use in this band and B) they require the devices to broadcast an identifying
>> set of info for location / identity purposes which will need to be
>> incorporated into the wireless protocol I would imagine.  Is this correct,
>> there are no devices on the market in the US that are legal to use at this
>> time
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 877-804-3001 x102
>>
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

[Brian Webster]

FDD could be a good thing. Separate transmit and receive would allow you to
deal with white space channels that are not contiguous. With separate TX and
RX you could actually make use of the first adjacent channels. The HAAT
rules and power/antenna gain limits apply to transmitters. If you have
radios separate transmit and receive you could place a receiver anywhere you
need it regardless of HAAT and you can build it with any amount of antenna
gain you can afford or that the structure will handle. This could possible
make up for the low power consumer devices. Those low power levels on VHF
channels would go quite far with a high gain antenna at the receiver site.
Having access to both high power WISP type channels and the 1st adjacent
channels will give a lot more of you access to whitespaces than previously
thought.

 

WISP’s just have to remind themselves that they don’t have to run half
duplex radios on a single channel. TDD may also reduce latency. Another idea
I had was to take an additional high power channel and route UDP video
traffic in a constant download stream. With some sort of server at your head
end to queue up the most popular video content and DVR type devices it could
shed some of the load off the regular IP portion of the network.

 



Brian

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

 

At 9/27/2010 12:24 PM, you wrote:



I have not had time to read up on TVWS much yet, but just had a thought over
the weekend.  Wouldn't it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?


DOCSIS radios do exist.  Transcom and Vecima make them, mainly for the 700
MHz band.  Some rural licensed carriers are using them.  However, DOCSIS is
FDD, so it requires two channels, and the upstream is artificially
constrained by some of these systems.  I suppose the vendors could adapt
them to white space, but I'm not sure if it would be ideal.



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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

[Fred Goldstein]

At 9/27/2010 12:24 PM, you wrote:
I have not had time to read up on TVWS much yet, but just had a 
thought over the weekend.  Wouldn't it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?


DOCSIS radios do exist.  Transcom and Vecima make them, mainly for 
the 700 MHz band.  Some rural licensed carriers are using 
them.  However, DOCSIS is FDD, so it requires two channels, and the 
upstream is artificially constrained by some of these systems.  I 
suppose the vendors could adapt them to white space, but I'm not sure 
if it would be ideal.


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Re: [WISPA] tvws $$$$$$$$$$$

[Jeff Ehman]

Plenty of manufacturers have TVWS gear in their pipeline.  We had this 
discussion last week but Motorola is very far along in their development as 
well as Alvarion and plenty of the other carrier grade names.  I know Airspan 
already made and deployed TVWS gear for a special project too.

No one has officially announced anything but it will be coming quickly.

-Jeff
Convergence Technologies
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tvws $$$

Cost = x
Vendor = y

I will give you x and y in 6 months to 2 years.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Jason Bailey 
mailto:j284...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
 Just a few quick questions.Who will actually make the gear?What will it 
cost???






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Re: [WISPA] tvws $$$$$$$$$$$

[Josh Luthman]

Cost = x
Vendor = y

I will give you x and y in 6 months to 2 years.

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>   Just a few quick questions.Who will actually make the gear?What will it
> cost???
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[WISPA] tvws $$$$$$$$$$$

[Jason Bailey]

 Just a few quick questions.Who will actually make the gear?What will it 
cost???


  


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Greg Ihnen]

That would be my first choice. Another option would be if MT offered similar 
hardware to UBNT - inexpensive, some one piece stuff like nanostation, 
powerstation (with an FCC sticker! - ), MT already has the hodgepodge 
u-buildit market.

Greg

On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

> As I understand it there is bad Ju Ju between MT and UBNT
>  
> MT would do well to get over it and port RouterOS to UBNT
>  
> - Jerry
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:43 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
>  
> What are the limitations of doing so, the hardware (UBNT) or software (MT)?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> +1 on wanting a UBNT+MT combo (RouterOS on UBNT gear).
>  
> Greg
>  
>  
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
> 
> So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
> forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.
> .
> Josh Luthman
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jerry Richardson]

As I understand it there is bad Ju Ju between MT and UBNT

MT would do well to get over it and port RouterOS to UBNT

- Jerry

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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:43 PM
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What are the limitations of doing so, the hardware (UBNT) or software (MT)?
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Greg Ihnen 
mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1 on wanting a UBNT+MT combo (RouterOS on UBNT gear).

Greg


On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Greg Ihnen]

Just guessing, possibly drivers (from UBNT) and a license (from MT). I'd gladly 
pay for an MT license to put RouterOS on some of my UBNT.

Greg

On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:12 PM, RickG wrote:

> What are the limitations of doing so, the hardware (UBNT) or software (MT)?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> +1 on wanting a UBNT+MT combo (RouterOS on UBNT gear).
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>> So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
>> forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.
>> .
>> Josh Luthman
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>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Mike Hammett]

  Is the Spectrum Bridge site up to date with returned channels, or has 
no one returned anything yet?

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On 9/27/2010 2:11 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I am working on a new Google Earth file with the TV contours that will be
> available. Have all the channels mapped, just looking to see if I can easily
> add other items like the border buffer areas and anything else that needs
> protecting.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
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> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>
> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host
> one.
>
> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over
> and over. :)
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[RickG]

What are the limitations of doing so, the hardware (UBNT) or software (MT)?

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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But, but, Discovery Channel says you can ;P
http://www.yourdiscovery.com/video/pagani-defying-the-laws-of-physics/
However,
it doesnt do so for my wallet!

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> > On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
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> > wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> > ifconfig ath1 up
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jerry Richardson]

Right. Only one BSSID per MAC

- Jerry


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

I was just reading up on it, it seems that some radios (clients) choke when 
they see multiple ssid's all with the same MAC address.

Gregorio
On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
> 
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> multi-ssid on a nano ?
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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I was just reading up on it, it seems that some radios (clients) choke when 
they see multiple ssid's all with the same MAC address.

Gregorio
On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
> 
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> multi-ssid on a nano ?
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
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>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Greg Ihnen]

+1 on wanting a UBNT+MT combo (RouterOS on UBNT gear).

Greg

On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Greg Ihnen]

What about bandwidth limits per ssid? What I would do is run one encrypted with 
no limits and the other open with limits.

And what about WDS on one and not on the other?

Thanks!
Greg

On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
> 
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> multi-ssid on a nano ?
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

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  Awesome.

It will definitely be prominently featured in the FAQ. :)

On 09/27/2010 12:11 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I am working on a new Google Earth file with the TV contours that will be
> available. Have all the channels mapped, just looking to see if I can easily
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Brian Webster]

I am working on a new Google Earth file with the TV contours that will be
available. Have all the channels mapped, just looking to see if I can easily
add other items like the border buffer areas and anything else that needs
protecting.



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Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host
one.

I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over
and over. :)

Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 11:58 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> This is for a public WiFi network that includes SSIDs for various agencies. 
> Each agency's traffic is on it's own VLAN and terminates in different 
> locations:
> - Public WiFi
> - City Offices
> - PD
> - Sherriff
> - County Fire
> - County Offices
> - Management Network

Yeah I'm building something similiar to that:

corporate prod network
corporate guest network
customer network
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

[Blair Davis]

Forget it.

The TV stations already think that they are loosing their space.

They have fought this whole TVWS thing tooth and nail.  They won't be
giving any waivers.

Jeromie Reeves wrote:
There are already RF/DOCSIS hybrid systems. DOCSIS is a
very expensive idea to go with. The head end is the primary cost, but
so its the client RF system. The system I looked at was 75K not
counting the cable head or modems (this was also about 10 years ago, I
have not heard that it was any cheaper today). If you already had a
DOCSIS system then it helps. I think Ubnt would be a good contender
here. It depends on the rules for channel bonding. If we have say 8
channels (40mhz) then we could use 40mhz airmax. Yummie. And, to my
surprise, I have found palces with 15 channels open, and 10 miles up
the valley, no upper channels at all open. I have been there, I have
put a antenna up 30 feet (and more, a client has a 75ft crank tower for
tv) and its pretty impossible to get more then a handful of channels,
and most of the ones listed are not receivable. I do not know what
options we have for those area, where they are in the coverage zone but
have no signal due to mountains and such. Is there any mechanism in
place, or being thought of, that would let us have a exemption or
exception to the rules for channel sitting? Namely, Say I have 2 open
channels, 30, 31. Can I ask 29 or 32 for a waver? "You can use this
channel ,at this power, with your antenna(s) pointed as such that it
does not  cause us interference". this would be very useful in a case
where that channel (29/32) is used to TX (namely away from said market)
and the clear channel is used to RX. We could then design the networks
with lots of dirt between us and them. I knwo I have very tall
mountains and many low site butting right up against them. I could
blast out on some channels and the over lapping station would never
hear me (mtns, distance, and direction) as well the market does not use
their channels as they do not come in as it is. (We put in OTA & HD
Antennas). 
  
  On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Randy Cosby
  
wrote:
  
 I have not had time to read
up on TVWS much yet, but just had a thought over the weekend.  Wouldn't
it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?

Randy




On 9/25/2010 1:53 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

  Looks like the cable companies are very worried about this
situation. 
  
  
  http://www.cabletechtalk.com/white-spaces/
  
  
  
  
Sent from my iPhone4
  
On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:39 PM, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:
  
  
  
I
read the whole FCC document regarding what channels can be used.  In
one section it talks about fixed wireless under channel 21 but then in
the decision section under that it just made the general statement that
channels under 21 could not be utilized.  I only breezed through the
document once.  Can someone answer the question of exactly what
channels/frequencies are available for use assuming that all channels
are free from other operators and none adjacent.  Once the list of
possible candidate channels are listed the available ones for use in a
particular area can be further refined by removing all the utilized and
adjacent channels to the ones utilized -- leaving only ones that can
actually be used.

Next question to add - it would appear that there are currently no
devices that can operate in TV WS due to the FCC requirement to A) be
certified for use in this band and B) they require the devices to
broadcast an identifying set of info for location / identity purposes
which will need to be incorporated into the wireless protocol I would
imagine.  Is this correct, there are no devices on the market in the US
that are legal to use at this time  

Thanks

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
877-804-3001 x102


 
  
  



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jerry Richardson]

This is for a public WiFi network that includes SSIDs for various agencies. 
Each agency's traffic is on it's own VLAN and terminates in different locations:
- Public WiFi
- City Offices
- PD
- Sherriff
- County Fire
- County Offices
- Management Network

Only the Public WiFI VLAN sees any significant traffic. 

MT is the current solution but UBNT would be a lower cost answer and be easier 
to deploy.

- Jerry


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

I assume he wants to vlan tag it and send it back to a trunk.

vconfig is on all the units I tested, so it sohuld be as simple as
setting up the config. I will sit down with a test unit and come up
with a working config.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Charles N Wyble
 wrote:
>  On 09/27/2010 11:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> I will need to check into VLAN support.
>
> ifconfig eth0.x might do the trick.
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> http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/networkinterfaces
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[WISPA] WR EUM

[chris cooper]

Looking for some Waverider EUM 3004/3005.  Hit me offlist if you have
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jeromie Reeves]

I assume he wants to vlan tag it and send it back to a trunk.

vconfig is on all the units I tested, so it sohuld be as simple as
setting up the config. I will sit down with a test unit and come up
with a working config.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Charles N Wyble
 wrote:
>  On 09/27/2010 11:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> I will need to check into VLAN support.
>
> ifconfig eth0.x might do the trick.
>
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/networkinterfaces
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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  On 09/27/2010 10:11 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
>
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
>

Here is a howto:

https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=12552





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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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  On 09/27/2010 11:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> I will need to check into VLAN support.

ifconfig eth0.x might do the trick.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/networkinterfaces

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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I will need to check into VLAN support.

Yes MT is easier off the GUI but I am profecient with the CLI and that
works fine for me.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> That's cool but there is still no multi VLAN support.
>
> Need SSID/VLAN sets
>
> - Jerry
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID
>
> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
>
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> multi-ssid on a nano ?
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>
>> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
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>> Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jerry Richardson]

That's cool but there is still no multi VLAN support.

Need SSID/VLAN sets

- Jerry

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
ifconfig ath1 up
iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid

add encryption and ect with iwconifg

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> multi-ssid on a nano ?
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>
> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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  On 09/27/2010 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
> forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.

LOL.

Check out http://netshe.stasoft.net/node/28#main_features (I can't seem 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.
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> Absolutely Awesome !
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>
> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
>
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>
> multi-ssid on a nano ?
>
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>
> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
>
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> Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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Absolutely Awesome !
On Sep 27, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
> 
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> multi-ssid on a nano ?
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
ifconfig ath1 up
iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid

add encryption and ect with iwconifg

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> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
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> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

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multi-ssid on a nano ? 

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> Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?
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> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

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There are already RF/DOCSIS hybrid systems. DOCSIS is a very expensive idea
to go with. The head end is the primary cost, but so its the client RF
system. The system I looked at was 75K not counting the cable head or modems
(this was also about 10 years ago, I have not heard that it was any cheaper
today). If you already had a DOCSIS system then it helps. I think Ubnt would
be a good contender here. It depends on the rules for channel bonding. If we
have say 8 channels (40mhz) then we could use 40mhz airmax. Yummie. And, to
my surprise, I have found palces with 15 channels open, and 10 miles up the
valley, no upper channels at all open. I have been there, I have put a
antenna up 30 feet (and more, a client has a 75ft crank tower for tv) and
its pretty impossible to get more then a handful of channels, and most of
the ones listed are not receivable. I do not know what options we have for
those area, where they are in the coverage zone but have no signal due to
mountains and such. Is there any mechanism in place, or being thought of,
that would let us have a exemption or exception to the rules for channel
sitting? Namely, Say I have 2 open channels, 30, 31. Can I ask 29 or 32 for
a waver? "You can use this channel ,at this power, with your antenna(s)
pointed as such that it does not  cause us interference". this would be very
useful in a case where that channel (29/32) is used to TX (namely away from
said market) and the clear channel is used to RX. We could then design the
networks with lots of dirt between us and them. I knwo I have very tall
mountains and many low site butting right up against them. I could blast out
on some channels and the over lapping station would never hear me (mtns,
distance, and direction) as well the market does not use their channels as
they do not come in as it is. (We put in OTA & HD Antennas).

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Randy Cosby  wrote:

>  I have not had time to read up on TVWS much yet, but just had a thought
> over the weekend.  Wouldn't it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 1:53 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
> Looks like the cable companies are very worried about this situation.
>
>  http://www.cabletechtalk.com/white-spaces/
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:39 PM, "Scott Carullo" 
> wrote:
>
>  I read the whole FCC document regarding what channels can be used.  In
> one section it talks about fixed wireless under channel 21 but then in the
> decision section under that it just made the general statement that channels
> under 21 could not be utilized.  I only breezed through the document once.
> Can someone answer the question of exactly what channels/frequencies are
> available for use assuming that all channels are free from other operators
> and none adjacent.  Once the list of possible candidate channels are listed
> the available ones for use in a particular area can be further refined by
> removing all the utilized and adjacent channels to the ones utilized --
> leaving only ones that can actually be used.
>
> Next question to add - it would appear that there are currently no devices
> that can operate in TV WS due to the FCC requirement to A) be certified for
> use in this band and B) they require the devices to broadcast an identifying
> set of info for location / identity purposes which will need to be
> incorporated into the wireless protocol I would imagine.  Is this correct,
> there are no devices on the market in the US that are legal to use at this
> time
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jeromie Reeves]

Why not just do multi-ssid on the nano as is?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?
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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

[Randy Cosby]

 I have not had time to read up on TVWS much yet, but just had a 
thought over the weekend.  Wouldn't it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?


Randy


On 9/25/2010 1:53 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

Looks like the cable companies are very worried about this situation.

http://www.cabletechtalk.com/white-spaces/



Sent from my iPhone4

On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:39 PM, "Scott Carullo" 
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:


I read the whole FCC document regarding what channels can be used.  
In one section it talks about fixed wireless under channel 21 but 
then in the decision section under that it just made the general 
statement that channels under 21 could not be utilized.  I only 
breezed through the document once.  Can someone answer the question 
of exactly what channels/frequencies are available for use assuming 
that all channels are free from other operators and none adjacent.  
Once the list of possible candidate channels are listed the available 
ones for use in a particular area can be further refined by removing 
all the utilized and adjacent channels to the ones utilized -- 
leaving only ones that can actually be used.


Next question to add - it would appear that there are currently no 
devices that can operate in TV WS due to the FCC requirement to A) be 
certified for use in this band and B) they require the devices to 
broadcast an identifying set of info for location / identity purposes 
which will need to be incorporated into the wireless protocol I would 
imagine.  Is this correct, there are no devices on the market in the 
US that are legal to use at this time


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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Jeromie Reeves]

What do you envision as a fair homesteading rule(s)? How do those
rules deal with squatters, or people who do 'just enough' to keep
others out? I am not completely against 'homesteading' but i am
against 'squatting' and 'marginal acceptableness'. Do you have a
document or such of your ideas on this?

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> John,
>
> I personally support your work on Spectrum Homesteading and we hope to
> develop it further.  Unfortunately, the FCC committee was split and thus, it
> was the advice of the FCC Chairman that we could not support it at this time
> until the proposal matures further or the education of the FCC Committee
> changes the balance of ayes and nays.  I definitely don't think it is a dead
> issue.  We need to discuss it more and help it mature, it is definitely
> worthwhile to pursue.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of John Scrivner
>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step
>>
>> There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
>> spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.
>> We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
>> did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
>> broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
>> channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost...
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy
>>  wrote:
>> >  OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
>> > available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to
>> I
>> > stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
>> > oversimplified but that's where I have to start.
>> >
>> > Forbes
>> >
>> > On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >>    According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
>> >> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my
>> time.
>> >> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-
>> services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >>> Suite 1337
>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves> 30chat.net>   wrote:
>>  That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a
>> 10mhz
>>  channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>>  people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear
>> it
>>  just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>> 
>>  Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels.
>> One
>>  has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>>  contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible.
>> Even
>>  just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>> 
>>  On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett> il.net>   wrote:
>> >    That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable
>> throughput
>> > you're going to have to find several channels together.
>> >
>> > With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might
>> double that.
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> >> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a
>> row) like
>> >> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard
>> channels?
>> >> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis
>>     wrote:
>> >>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels
>> anywhere I
>> >>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing
>> something
>> >>> wrong?
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >>> Suite 1337
>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves> 30chat.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>> >>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info
>> snipped).
>> >>> Scripts are turned on in

Re: [WISPA] TV White Space

[MDK]

Nothing will happen until the database is created.  At that point, some 
software tool will search it for you, and once some equipment is built, it 
should auto-register for you, as well as control the channels.

For the moment, there's nothing any of us can do.   You can't stake out a 
claim, as  the unlicensed scheme just doesn't create that opportunity.


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To: 
Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space

> I was looking at the available channels in my area and realized that there 
> are not many that can be used easily.  There are a lot of operators that 
> are competing  here that will possibly want to use them also.   My 
> question is what will be the registration process to acquire this channel 
> space?  I have not seen any talk about it but with the very limited space 
> available  there has to be some type of registration/licensing.  Also are 
> there any rules on usage?  I would hate for someone to register on the 
> best channels and then not actually use them.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Jerry Richardson]

Thanks.

I am most interested in the multiSSID/VLAN on the NS2

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Charles N Wyble
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

On 09/25/2010 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?

I'll be rolling this out very soon. I have a Ubiquity ns2, a linksys wrt54gl 
and two custom access points (based on nanostation). I plan to mesh them all 
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Rick Harnish]

John,

I personally support your work on Spectrum Homesteading and we hope to
develop it further.  Unfortunately, the FCC committee was split and thus, it
was the advice of the FCC Chairman that we could not support it at this time
until the proposal matures further or the education of the FCC Committee
changes the balance of ayes and nays.  I definitely don't think it is a dead
issue.  We need to discuss it more and help it mature, it is definitely
worthwhile to pursue.

Thanks,
Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of John Scrivner
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step
> 
> There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
> spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.
> We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
> did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
> broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
> channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost...
> Scriv
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy
>  wrote:
> >  OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
> > available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to
> I
> > stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
> > oversimplified but that's where I have to start.
> >
> > Forbes
> >
> > On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>    According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
> >> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my
> time.
> >> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>> 8 Channels around here for me...
> >>>
> >>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-
> services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves 30chat.net>   wrote:
>  That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a
> 10mhz
>  channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>  people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear
> it
>  just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
> 
>  Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels.
> One
>  has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>  contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible.
> Even
>  just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
> 
>  On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett il.net>   wrote:
> >    That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable
> throughput
> > you're going to have to find several channels together.
> >
> > With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might
> double that.
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> >> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a
> row) like
> >> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard
> channels?
> >> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis
>     wrote:
> >>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels
> anywhere I
> >>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing
> something
> >>> wrong?
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves 30chat.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> >>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info
> snipped).
> >>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE
> does not
> >>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on
> channels
> >>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents'
> always
> >>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works,
> displays the
> >>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby)
> jump
> >>> back to the default. Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
> >>>    

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

 On 09/25/2010 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?



I'll be rolling this out very soon. I have a Ubiquity ns2, a linksys 
wrt54gl and two custom access points (based on nanostation). I plan to 
mesh them all and host a few different ssid/vlan. I'll post back with 
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 08:40 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
> spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.

Well isn't this what whitespaces is supposed to prevent? Large amounts 
of exclusive spectrum already exists and is owned by monopolies. Now I 
think that licensed lite would be good. The FCC licensing system can 
facilitate coordination among providers. Maybe we can get that in 
whitespace r&o 3.0? :)

> We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
> did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
> broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
> channel space in your coverage area.

Hmmm. So if the big money comes in and just buys up a bunch of licenses 
then what? You have to remember that the rules are a double edged sword. 
Anything that might help us protect against competition, can also be 
used by others to lock us out. Not a level playing field.

> Opportunity lost...
> Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[John Scrivner]

There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.
We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
channel space in your coverage area. Opportunity lost...
Scriv



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
>  OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
> available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I
> stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
> oversimplified but that's where I have to start.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>    According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
>> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
>> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>>>
>>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves   
>>> wrote:
 That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
 channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
 people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
 just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.

 Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
 has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
 contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
 just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.

 On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett   
 wrote:
>    That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
> you're going to have to find several channels together.
>
> With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
>> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
>> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis     
>> wrote:
>>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>>> wrong?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>>      wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>>
>>> Kind of cool I think...
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[John Scrivner]

Excellent! Thank you!
Scriv

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Charles n wyble
 wrote:
> You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks and 
> contribute to the private wiki.
>
> Its certainly a well spent investment.  Now that I'm in the process of 
> Fielding the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join up. :)
>
> "Rick Harnish"  wrote:
>
>>Charles,
>>
>>WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
>>secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
>>having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
>>competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
>>public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
>>making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
>>invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge
>>base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
>>they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.
>>
>>I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
>>possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
>>much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
>>they are today.
>>
>>The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
>>WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
>>like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our
>>hard work isn't subsidizing competition.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>Rick Harnish
>>Executive Director
>>WISPA
>>260-307-4000 cell
>>866-317-2851 WISPA Office
>>Skype: rick.harnish.
>>rharn...@wispa.org
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>>>
>>> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
>>> host one.
>>>
>>> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
>>> over and over. :)
>>>
>>> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
>>> --
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>>> xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com
>>> legacy pstn: 818 280 7059
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Re: [WISPA] TV White Space

[Rick Harnish]

Jory,

I will email you offlist.

Thanks,
Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jory Privett
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:19 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV White Space
> 
> As a member, where do I get a username/password for the members only
> wiki?
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jory Privett" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:40 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space
> 
> 
> >I was looking at the available channels in my area and realized that
> there are not many that can be used easily.  There are a lot of
> operators that are competing  here that will possibly want to use them
> also.   My question is what will be the registration process to acquire
> this channel space?  I have not seen any talk about it but with the
> very limited space available  there has to be some type of
> registration/licensing.  Also are there any rules on usage?  I would
> hate for someone to register on the best channels and then not actually
> use them.
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] TV White Space

[Mike Hammett]

  Email bill...@wispa.org, I believe.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/27/2010 10:19 AM, Jory Privett wrote:
> As a member, where do I get a username/password for the members only wiki?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jory Privett"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:40 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space
>
>
>> I was looking at the available channels in my area and realized that there 
>> are not many that can be used easily.  There are a lot of operators that are 
>> competing  here that will possibly want to use them also.   My question is 
>> what will be the registration process to acquire this channel space?  I have 
>> not seen any talk about it but with the very limited space available  there 
>> has to be some type of registration/licensing.  Also are there any rules on 
>> usage?  I would hate for someone to register on the best channels and then 
>> not actually use them.
>>
>>
>> 
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>> http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Fred Goldstein]

At 9/27/2010 10:54 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>   OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28
>available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I
>stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's
>oversimplified but that's where I have to start.

Unless I'm misreading the rules, White Space for WISPs is under Part 
15, unlicensed, and thus gets no protection.  Licensed (protected) 
wireless mics operate under a different rule (e.g., broadcast 
auxiliary service) which entitles them to protection.  So there is no 
claim-staking by WISPs; we will have to live together the way we do 
on 5.8 and the other unlicensed bands.

>Forbes
>
>On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
> > Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
> > 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> 8 Channels around here for me...
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie 
> Reeves   wrote:
> >>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
> >>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
> >>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
> >>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
> >>>
> >>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
> >>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
> >>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
> >>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike 
> Hammett   wrote:
> That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
>  you're going to have to find several channels together.
> 
>  With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might 
> double that.
> 
>  -
>  Mike Hammett
>  Intelligent Computing Solutions
>  http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
>  On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> > Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
> > 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
> > or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair 
> Davis wrote:
> >> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>
> >> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> >> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> >> wrong?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
> >> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
> >> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
> >> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
> >> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
> >> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
> >> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
> >> back to the default. Any ideas?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
> >>
> >> Kind of cool I think...
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> 
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> >>
> >>
> >> 
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Re: [WISPA] TV White Space

[Jory Privett]

As a member, where do I get a username/password for the members only wiki?


- Original Message - 
From: "Jory Privett" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space


>I was looking at the available channels in my area and realized that there are 
>not many that can be used easily.  There are a lot of operators that are 
>competing  here that will possibly want to use them also.   My question is 
>what will be the registration process to acquire this channel space?  I have 
>not seen any talk about it but with the very limited space available  there 
>has to be some type of registration/licensing.  Also are there any rules on 
>usage?  I would hate for someone to register on the best channels and then not 
>actually use them.  
> 
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Obama wants unfettered access to your Internet activity

[John Scrivner]

I understand that while this may appear to be on topic that it is a
highly politically motivated and biased article. I would prefer we
leave things like this on the c...@wispa.org list to avoid the
inevitable political flame wars that will come from people trying to
debate their political points.
Scriv



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Cliff LeBoeuf  wrote:
> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/51731-obama-wants-unfettered-access-to-your-internet-activity
>
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Rick Harnish]

Charles,

That is an excellent choice IMHO.  I'm sure that the FCC Committee and
others will help you create a great TV Whitespaces FAQ.  I'm excited to have
you join the WISPA team.  I have seen your posts on this listserv for awhile
and have always been impressed with both your commitment of sharing
information with your peers and the professional manner in which you post.  

I sincerely hope that more operators recognize how hard WISPA works for
their businesses, follow suit and join our effort as well.  The concept of
banding together to make great things happen is not a new one.  While we
continue to create more "tangibles" for our members, WISP operators still
need to recognize the "intangible value" of their WISPA dues payments.  We
ask for a little financial help from a lot of the WISPs and the WISP Vendors
and when it accumulates, we have the power to have a relevant voice in our
Nation's capital and beyond.  We could not have accomplished what we have
accomplished without this financial support and the MANY hours of volunteer
time that most members have also provided to our "grassroots" efforts.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
rharn...@wispa.org




> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
> 
> You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks
> and contribute to the private wiki.
> 
> Its certainly a well spent investment.  Now that I'm in the process of
> Fielding the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join
> up. :)
> 
> "Rick Harnish"  wrote:
> 
> >Charles,
> >
> >WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure
> place for
> >secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me
> that
> >having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for
> new
> >competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make
> it
> >public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
> >making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the
> members who
> >invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the
> knowledge
> >base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who
> decides
> >they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.
> >
> >I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
> >possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have
> invested
> >much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to
> where
> >they are today.
> >
> >The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to
> join
> >WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It
> seems
> >like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing
> that our
> >hard work isn't subsidizing competition.
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Rick Harnish
> >Executive Director
> >WISPA
> >260-307-4000 cell
> >866-317-2851 WISPA Office
> >Skype: rick.harnish.
> >rharn...@wispa.org
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
> >> To: wireless@wispa.org
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
> >>
> >> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy
> to
> >> host one.
> >>
> >> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these
> threads
> >> over and over. :)
> >>
> >> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
> >> --
> >> from the desk of Charles wyble
> >> ceo & president known element enterprises
> >> xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com
> >> legacy pstn: 818 280 7059
> >>
> >>
> >> 
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Forbes Mercy]

  OK so in my area there is a three channel space of 26,27 and, 28 
available.  I guess my goal is to camp out on 27, knowing this how to I 
stake the claim and start working toward deployment?  I know it's 
oversimplified but that's where I have to start.

Forbes

On 9/25/2010 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>According to that page, only 2, 5, and 6 are available for me.
> Assuming their data is correct, TVWS are almost not even worth my time.
> 6 channels are reserved for wireless mics.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2010 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 8 Channels around here for me...
>>
>> http://www.spectrumbridge.com/products-services/whitespaces/showmywhitespace/single-location-search.aspx
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Jeromie Reeves   
>> wrote:
>>> That was where my question was going. 12mhz could let you use a 10mhz
>>> channel. Yes we are used to half duplex because that is what most
>>> people make. I would love full duplex and with all the mimo gear it
>>> just my be possible to do it at a end user acceptable rate.
>>>
>>> Most of the area I am interested in have 1 block of 4 channels. One
>>> has 2, and a 3rd has 10!  I am very interested in find the exact
>>> contours for that one and what kind of bonding might be possible. Even
>>> just 40mhz Rockets would make me happy for a while.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett   
>>> wrote:
That's another thing to remember...  to have any usable throughput
 you're going to have to find several channels together.

 With UBNT gear, 6 MHz only yields 15 megabits.  MT's N might double that.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/25/2010 4:25 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Ah much better. Now, if a town has say 4 channels open (in a row) like
> 2 3 4 5, can you use 3 and 4, keeping 2 and 5 as the guard channels?
> or will you need to pick 3 or 4?
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
>> It is broke.  Use http://www.spectrumbridge.com instead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
>> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
>> wrong?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one its not working for? I get script errors like
>> 'Server Error in '/WSWebGUI' Application.' (and more info snipped).
>> Scripts are turned on in FireFox on Linux and Windows, and IE does not
>> have any changes from default (it is never used). Clicking on channels
>> jumps it to the default view. Clicking 'Show nearby incumbents' always
>> results in a error. Using addresses in the search works, displays the
>> bing map of the location, and all buttons (except show nearby) jump
>> back to the default. Any ideas?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Charles N Wyble
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/
>>
>> Kind of cool I think...
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Jack Unger]

  I agree completely with Rick. WISPA Members deserve special access to TV 
White 
Space information. WISPA Members have paid their dues (literally) to enable 
WISPA to lobby (advocate with the FCC) to help create the best TV White Space 
rules possible given the huge opposition by the TV broadcasters and the mobile 
broadband companies. Non-Members who wish access to the best of this 
information 
still have an opportunity to join WISPA. We will publish specialized TVWS 
information on a Members-only Wiki.

jack


On 9/27/2010 7:18 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
> Charles,
>
> WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
> secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
> having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
> competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
> public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
> making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
> invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge
> base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
> they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.
>
> I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
> possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
> much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
> they are today.
>
> The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
> WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
> like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our
> hard work isn't subsidizing competition.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
> Executive Director
> WISPA
> 260-307-4000 cell
> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> rharn...@wispa.org
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>>
>> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
>> host one.
>>
>> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
>> over and over. :)
>>
>> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
>> --
>> from the desk of Charles wyble
>> ceo&  president known element enterprises
>> xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles n wyble]

You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks and 
contribute to the private wiki.

Its certainly a well spent investment.  Now that I'm in the process of Fielding 
the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join up. :)

"Rick Harnish"  wrote:

>Charles,
>
>WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
>secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
>having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
>competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
>public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
>making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
>invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge
>base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
>they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.
>
>I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
>possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
>much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
>they are today.  
>
>The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
>WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
>like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our
>hard work isn't subsidizing competition.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Rick Harnish
>Executive Director
>WISPA
>260-307-4000 cell
>866-317-2851 WISPA Office
>Skype: rick.harnish.
>rharn...@wispa.org
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>> 
>> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
>> host one.
>> 
>> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
>> over and over. :)
>> 
>> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
>> --
>> from the desk of Charles wyble
>> ceo & president known element enterprises
>> xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com
>> legacy pstn: 818 280 7059
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Rick Harnish]

Charles,

WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge
base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.

I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
they are today.  

The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our
hard work isn't subsidizing competition.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
rharn...@wispa.org


> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
> 
> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
> host one.
> 
> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
> over and over. :)
> 
> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
> --
> from the desk of Charles wyble
> ceo & president known element enterprises
> xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com
> legacy pstn: 818 280 7059
> 
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[WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles n wyble]

Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host one.

I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over and 
over. :)

Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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[WISPA] TV White Space

[Jory Privett]

I was looking at the available channels in my area and realized that there are 
not many that can be used easily.  There are a lot of operators that are 
competing  here that will possibly want to use them also.   My question is what 
will be the registration process to acquire this channel space?  I have not 
seen any talk about it but with the very limited space available  there has to 
be some type of registration/licensing.  Also are there any rules on usage?  I 
would hate for someone to register on the best channels and then not actually 
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