Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? - about a million years ago (well, 11 years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink amp on it. That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java programmer?!?) so... From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate... On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi omni or worse. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the backhauls. We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I really wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a no brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good idea but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of his rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his network sucked before any of this happened. And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other side should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet half way, I think. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Robert, Still missing some relevent detail... New WISP uses 2.4 sectors. Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors? As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear? Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO? Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination and cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to who has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained solid non-interference clauses or spectrum exclusivity clauses in their contracts, versus hand shake deals. I dont agree with the assessment that the problem is the Old Boy's bad design or unwillingness to change. (see below for justification) The fact is, he was there first and had the flexibility to design optimally for his need, and there was really no need for him to design for the new providers need, becaue the new provider did not exist at that time. At the end oif the day, he has pre-existing custoemrs that need him and that he needs revenue from, and he isn;t going to bail on that pre-existing money tree, that has been in motion for years. He will fight harder than the new provider because, he has more at stake to protect, even though it may be on a smaller scale. Both parties are equally obligated to build their networks as interference resilent as possible. But there are multiple dissimilar approaches to accomplishing that that is jsut as good as another. So who's to say what is ultimately the best practice. Its tough for a company who has built a network on a single pol and 20Mhz design, and change to a dual pol 10Mhz design. Whats less efficient? Dual Omnis each single pol, or two sectors with dual pol? Omnis are not always bad, IF there is adequate physical obstruction isolation between grain towers, and using polarity as a
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
I did a climb for a local WISP back in 2002. We put a 325 foot run of LMR400 up a tower with 1 watt amps at the top and bottom. This fed into a Cisco 340 and an omni. Could see that thing on a site survey 30 miles away. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:14:08 + To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? about a million years ago (well, 11 years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink amp on it. That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java programmer?!?) so From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate... On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi omni or worse. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the backhauls. We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I really wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a no brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good idea but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of his rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his network sucked before any of this happened. And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other side should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet half way, I think. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Robert, Still missing some relevent detail... New WISP uses 2.4 sectors. Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors? As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear? Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO? Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination and cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to who has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained solid non-interference clauses or spectrum exclusivity clauses in their contracts, versus hand shake deals. I dont agree with the assessment that the problem is the Old Boy's bad design or unwillingness to change. (see below for justification) The fact is, he was there first and had the flexibility to design optimally for his need, and there was really no need for him to design for the new providers need, becaue the new provider did not exist at that time. At the end oif the day, he has pre-existing custoemrs that need him and that he needs revenue from, and he isn;t going to bail on that pre-existing money tree, that has been in motion for years. He will fight harder than the new provider because, he has more at stake to protect, even though it may be on a smaller scale. Both parties are equally obligated to build their networks as interference resilent as
Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
And the EIRP was...? J An OMNI 10 years or so would be cool. Now, not in my neighborhood! I use one for site surveys at times when I'm looking for competing 2.4 frequencies. The last time I fired it up at home the radios filled the screen. Using 5.8 at home now for the laptops. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. I did a climb for a local WISP back in 2002. We put a 325 foot run of LMR400 up a tower with 1 watt amps at the top and bottom. This fed into a Cisco 340 and an omni. Could see that thing on a site survey 30 miles away. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:14:08 + To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? - about a million years ago (well, 11 years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink amp on it. That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java programmer?!?) so. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate... On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi omni or worse. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the backhauls. We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I really wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a no brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good idea but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of his rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his network sucked before any of this happened. And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other side should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet half way, I think. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Robert, Still missing some relevent detail... New WISP uses 2.4 sectors. Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors? As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear? Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO? Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination and cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to who has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained solid non-interference clauses or spectrum exclusivity clauses in their contracts, versus hand shake deals. I dont agree with the assessment that the problem is the Old Boy's bad design or unwillingness to change. (see below for justification) The fact is, he was there first and had the flexibility to design optimally for his need, and there was really no
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
Just FYI... We use linux and windows. They all run for years without problems. Not sure what you guys are doing to cause any server to have problems once a week but its your problem not windows. Most likely hardware or lack of understanding of the person managing it. Its silly to think any main stream OS is incapable of operating properly and reliably. I use and support both OSs so don't let this spin out of control to an OS discussion. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:35 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system. I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH! Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit, wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant! Scott - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically. I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc). Never an issue with any of them. One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks. I have issues with it at least once a week. Updates reboot it and configuration is lost. Rights to add a printer for the CPA. Rights for IE's security permissions. Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk (updates I'm guessing). It's just a mess. Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers tend to cost more time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free apps and Linux servers. But to this point at 700 clients I haven't needed it and I will be looking into that in the future. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT! There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that... Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail server, web server, DNS servers, etc. Anyway... Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical approach and do what's right for your business. Any server is just a tool. Pluses minuses. You have to do a cost/benefit analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the field, or who to hire to answer your phones. On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: I get scared when I hear Windows and Software in the same sentence. Then when you add Server I usually run. Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and very configurable. We had it set up on Windows Small Business Server, that is the version with MSSQL server. For what its worth. --Curtis WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Layer 3 routing
I have setup a wireless network and setup up on a separate subnet per customer request. The only device the customer had to do routing is a Netgear GSM7324 Layer 3 switch. The routing is working for TCP and UDp packets but one application they use uses Multicasting. The multicast packets are not passing across the Layer 3 switch. Best I can tell I have multicasting setup on the switch but documentation is scarce. Anyone try this before? Good or Bad? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] More Spectrum!!
Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on than this.If we can start to use other white space spectrum -- or even scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused -- we will have all the spectrum we need. Time to roll! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!
Where do we start? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] More Spectrum!! Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on than this. If we can start to use other white space spectrum - or even scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused - we will have all the spectrum we need. Time to roll! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3348 - Release Date: 12/30/10 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
What he said, Plus what I told you a few weeks ago. Decent pricing on that 100mbit port, transport sucks but can use who can be found. Did you find someone? Gimmie a call. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The pricing better come WAY WAY WAY down if multiple people can access the same spectrum. The only way the current prices are justified is because the access is exclusive. On 12/30/2010 10:43 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Where do we start? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] More Spectrum!! Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on than this. If we can start to use other white space spectrum - or even scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused - we will have all the spectrum we need. Time to roll! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3348 - Release Date: 12/30/10 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNHNhMAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtSTEQALlhiB/7VdBbZrUrCFNLaSaV J84/lWx4ciaXgAtItE9pH1d4VcKzFozAdbkSJ12avL783+ej0R+9u+b4xtjAP69U UFRI/mHwviybyJ2KjreP0EOLWIK7bTgLf9I4jockaeAyRS3WJ1IfhVdFtEZPBup2 rhyq3qwR8THX3ECHR8m1ZTKCclvoJRxGfh5hUr4gOVtJh4iwq1ve4jGDSMhr8Pu6 +jCgmm29N0Kxk8ohBxCJrlCBGK/y/x5TdF75SMCDX4h1ZVfsBGWYWwIv5rgMw40r r0yeSStmdaQHf3omz4q7lkQRLNw4IJpNQmKV5Ik9gepPUqnUr3WojxrmW/MgFmLC TUzjvmwuYDCFImshhCcDxhJhZhHo/bMihVzJMoGyoElDUSQ7Ab6YleIVRTfaemzq VHElWTVkbCL8fKDUdasHhMByH6dXdEBirfk2mUYkkcj2xWCVxT3lYhpkxjllF9FG H57Mi48HSdxCL/RqTcPnlypquf3YnY9wyk1fhdfbOJIXrbMbzTXCQ6N1rVBKiCKi gErHiV+2tKXegzciWOmRY1cC1q/tGj0gfdLCFdrKsWvXTIfQHLVr6Snc/dp0QxYg kjEhBCeYkd9NWabTNPlEB7AgwFcSI9oe1r5RnWbAlfhRwfCt1uKPN7MuaD4dHmh0 sS7r+A9RtBM6ujR0EJ0m =a/VI -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
http://www.westinbuilding.com/telecom/tenants.cfm https://www.peeringdb.com/private/facility_view.php?id=71 Those aren't even complete. For example, Cogent is in the building, but not on either of those lists. You'll just have to ask the carriers if they're there. I think what suite you're in will be important as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/30/2010 11:52 AM, MDK wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fixed Orbit
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Re: [WISPA] Fixed Orbit
bgp.he.net On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other sites similiar to fixedorbit.com to determine how well a host is peered? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixed Orbit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 peeringdb.com perhaps. On 12/30/2010 01:08 PM, Matt wrote: Are there any other sites similiar to fixedorbit.com to determine how well a host is peered? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNHPWAAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtackQAJymP6AMVd/cDSELSZ0/B59P onSBuIOKr5TXsh9nDOBYYT0N6Evh5WZJfyqaobKQ+GmnERqYAbzT7WfrXXzFLXVN RnuNP2d5qh1I0xAw3MFUiD3kC2JmIHl+MJgZd1eY0MoiMGW6a6UPgidyd99QuKS2 WTd0xjj4WTw1HRsNx25b0ZUNnPSbAMOJ1X9stSE2JG8OICBBCTTgUkLjFXW9xToM Ms4uhXoqcZdshU2yIqrqrpSq6pE39ApgHMlYd9gKZQjOrUHdBmMogUZb4EpznA6C vUQ95ZnKicOZj6yIYXCjjPSfx+JHMlum+mihMS1DDALFmZyarucH8Xz+lneAJinK XReKzalQ5iXWPXM/rjUcWWxS2lzDShIEH2KeX5JWJstFdYuH/VG0Sy/jMW8t/6lx qUn5rgGB9jMQ4cMY2aMdvJqYBTSBpoQyh3UyXzkXEIaElMrug11Tz/KqhC7OQtlw cu5CmMupIj1JDkCILr4VoHpXb6lWqc0p/eAGIIyM1QNPk2e2NTPNJmKjeRBhdTEg j8WH25KnMiWr+CEFSgnuBMxvXw0QNDHC7hVAWjQHlOQCSOKY0GtA62o0oSxfbYfO YbF1pUrX/v0dUaNpaibdnStRhQ5xrJ/WQmXBow46Fy8vrvSdh57ZCWRG6qbhKutA D+qF9k2zVSy+alEpw8IL =e4Dh -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fixed Orbit
http://routeviews.org/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/30/2010 3:08 PM, Matt wrote: Are there any other sites similiar to fixedorbit.com to determine how well a host is peered? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Figuring it out
Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to another town. Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the same direction, both have about 20 on them. We worked on the settings for the backhaul... fixed. Then today it started again. Speedtest on three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up. The backhaul is pulling 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect. Another 5MB customer, 600K down and 800K up. We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 the other a 90. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out
Are all of your customers on that sector experiencing problems? Had any storms come through? I had slow upload issues from static discharge close to one of our sectors. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to another town. Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the same direction, both have about 20 on them. We worked on the settings for the backhaul... fixed. Then today it started again. Speedtest on three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up. The backhaul is pulling 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect. Another 5MB customer, 600K down and 800K up. We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 the other a 90. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out
Do a speed test from the Rocket APs. Maybe from the switch if it was Mikrotik... Need to find out where the issue lies. Could be ethernet to the BH, ethernet to the Rocket, or the wireless from Rocket to the customer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Are all of your customers on that sector experiencing problems? Had any storms come through? I had slow upload issues from static discharge close to one of our sectors. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to another town. Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the same direction, both have about 20 on them. We worked on the settings for the backhaul... fixed. Then today it started again. Speedtest on three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up. The backhaul is pulling 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect. Another 5MB customer, 600K down and 800K up. We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 the other a 90. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out
Be sure your using firmware 5.21. Had problems with earlier versions and the beta versions. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to another town. Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the same direction, both have about 20 on them. We worked on the settings for the backhaul... fixed. Then today it started again. Speedtest on three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up. The backhaul is pulling 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect. Another 5MB customer, 600K down and 800K up. We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 the other a 90. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
