Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Mike Hammett]

Only the person sending the bill to the end user can do all of that. 




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From: "Roger Howard"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:51:47 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP reselling. 


So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with freeswitch, 
and it works great. 

I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only 
thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to 
collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax. etc. 

I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity booth. He 
told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911 is optional, 
all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better pricing and charge what 
I like to the customers. 

Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't 
sound right, surely it can't be that easy? 

Thanks, 
Roger 

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[lar]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:44:57 -0500
  Roger Howard  wrote:
> So if I'm de minimis, do I have to register anything with the FCC? or just
> ignore it and let Vitelity pay until I get big?

Get a telcom lawyer. This is a minefield and can blow up in your face if you
do it wrong. There are several groups that do just this and they are not that
expensive. If I remember correctly there are a couple on this list.

We provide "wholesale voip" to a couple of WISP's. We "own" the customer, we 
handle
the e911 and USF and we bill though the WISP in the customer's name and the
"agent" doesn't have access to the CPNI data. It's all running through our 
switch and
it's still a minefield. We have had to consult the lawyers multiple times to 
be sure
to keep us and the WISP out of hot water.

So, the salesman could be right or he might not know and doesn't care. Don't 
trust
what he say's or anybody else for that matter. Get you own lawyer that knows 
both Federal
and your State requirements. The fines for mistakes are designed to get the 
attention of
multi-national companies. They could easily kill one of us.


> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Fred Goldstein 
>wrote:
> 
>>  On 3/26/2014 12:53 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing and
>> tax filing in your behalf.
>>
>> If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the difference
>> between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?
>>
>>
>> USF rules are pretty strict.  If a USF-subject class of carrier has
>> interstate telecommunications revenues (not Internet per se) that would
>> subject it to USF payments of <$10k/year, then it is "de minimis" and does
>> not pay.  BUT then its suppliers treat it as retail and they pay on the
>> services supplied to the de minimis carrier.  Once the carrier crosses out
>> of de minimis, it suppliers must verify that it is paying USF, and then
>> should not charge it USF on their wholesale sales.  So it's paid once, only
>> once, by the last non-de mimimis carrier en route to the retail customer.
>> (Disclaimer: IANAL and that's just my understanding.)
>>
>> E911 is a state requirement.  Interconnected VoIP services have to do it,
>> but the state sets the price.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
>>
>> So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
>> freeswitch, and it works great.
>>
>> I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only
>> thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to
>> collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax.
>> etc.
>>
>> I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity
>> booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911
>> is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better
>> pricing and charge what I like to the customers.
>>
>> Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't
>> sound right, surely it can't be that easy?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Fred Goldstein]

On 3/26/2014 1:44 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
So if I'm de minimis, do I have to register anything with the FCC? or 
just ignore it and let Vitelity pay until I get big?




If you're de minimis -- and just "reselling" might be an out, if the 
underlying carrier owns the customers, pays USF, and essentially gives 
you a commission, but I'm really not sure about that -- then you still 
have to file Form 499-A (annual) and give the numbers. If you're above 
the limit, then you file Form 499-Q (quarterly) and give the numbers and 
remit the money.


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:


On 3/26/2014 12:53 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:

Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the
billing and tax filing in your behalf.

If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the
difference between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked
up rate?


USF rules are pretty strict.  If a USF-subject class of carrier
has interstate telecommunications revenues (not Internet per se)
that would subject it to USF payments of <$10k/year, then it is
"de minimis" and does not pay. BUT then its suppliers treat it as
retail and they pay on the services supplied to the de minimis
carrier.  Once the carrier crosses out of de minimis, it suppliers
must verify that it is paying USF, and then should not charge it
USF on their wholesale sales.  So it's paid once, only once, by
the last non-de mimimis carrier en route to the retail customer.
(Disclaimer: IANAL and that's just my understanding.)

E911 is a state requirement.  Interconnected VoIP services have to
do it, but the state sets the price.




On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:

So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
freeswitch, and it works great.

I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my
customers, the only thing that has held me back is the legal
requirements. I thought I had to collect USF fees, register with
the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax. etc.

I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the
Vitelity booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we
don't have to, the e-911 is optional, all I have to do is sign
up as a reseller to get better pricing and charge what I like to
the customers.

Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman.
Something doesn't sound right, surely it can't be that easy?

Thanks,
Roger


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Roger Howard]

So if I'm de minimis, do I have to register anything with the FCC? or just
ignore it and let Vitelity pay until I get big?


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>  On 3/26/2014 12:53 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
>
> Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing and
> tax filing in your behalf.
>
> If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the difference
> between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?
>
>
> USF rules are pretty strict.  If a USF-subject class of carrier has
> interstate telecommunications revenues (not Internet per se) that would
> subject it to USF payments of <$10k/year, then it is "de minimis" and does
> not pay.  BUT then its suppliers treat it as retail and they pay on the
> services supplied to the de minimis carrier.  Once the carrier crosses out
> of de minimis, it suppliers must verify that it is paying USF, and then
> should not charge it USF on their wholesale sales.  So it's paid once, only
> once, by the last non-de mimimis carrier en route to the retail customer.
> (Disclaimer: IANAL and that's just my understanding.)
>
> E911 is a state requirement.  Interconnected VoIP services have to do it,
> but the state sets the price.
>
>
>
> On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
>
> So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
> freeswitch, and it works great.
>
> I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only
> thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to
> collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax.
> etc.
>
> I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity
> booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911
> is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better
> pricing and charge what I like to the customers.
>
> Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't
> sound right, surely it can't be that easy?
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Jon Auer]

This is a matter where you really need a telecom lawyer with knowledge of
your state.

What we found is you really need to avoid hitting that interconnected VoIP
requirement. As for how you do that, check with your lawyers.
Once we crossed that it's been a chain of paperwork that seems to never
end. Going beyond "just" paying USF (and it sucks when your bookkeeper
forgets to account for interest and your licensed backhaul applications are
held up for pennies) you have recordkeeping requirements, compliance
requirements for customer information, and now some kind procedure for
accessibility by persons with disabilities.
That's just the federal level. Once your state public service people see
your FCC 499 (from USF) you might be hearing from them about more paperwork.


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
> freeswitch, and it works great.
>
> I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only
> thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to
> collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax.
> etc.
>
> I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity
> booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911
> is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better
> pricing and charge what I like to the customers.
>
> Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't
> sound right, surely it can't be that easy?
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Paolo Di Francesco]

Roger

I have experience with VoIP but no experience with US VoIP rules. 
Anyway, the rule is always the same: who owns the customers? If you are 
a RESELLER (how powerful are words!) then you resell the service, i.e. 
it sounds like you are not selling the service but re-selling, i.e. you 
are just the guy in the middle between the service provider (them) and 
the customer.

So, RE-selling does not sound like what you want to do, i.e. the 
customer sign a contract with you, whatever is your provider if you are 
connected to them or to others. So I would say to the "salesman" if he 
is so sure that the contract that you are going to sign makes YOU a 
service provider and not just another of their zombie-resellers...

Personally we want to be the operator who will sell the service and not 
the reseller who will just get revenues from the contracts. That is 
RESELLING somebody else (not you) providing the service, and you 
finding customers for them.

Regards


> So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with 
> freeswitch, and it works great.
>
> I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the 
> only thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought 
> I had to collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. 
> Maybe sales tax. etc.
>
> I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity 
> booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the 
> e-911 is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get 
> better pricing and charge what I like to the customers.
>
> Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something 
> doesn't sound right, surely it can't be that easy?
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Fred Goldstein]

On 3/26/2014 12:53 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing 
and tax filing in your behalf.


If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the 
difference between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?


USF rules are pretty strict.  If a USF-subject class of carrier has 
interstate telecommunications revenues (not Internet per se) that would 
subject it to USF payments of <$10k/year, then it is "de minimis" and 
does not pay.  BUT then its suppliers treat it as retail and they pay on 
the services supplied to the de minimis carrier.  Once the carrier 
crosses out of de minimis, it suppliers must verify that it is paying 
USF, and then should not charge it USF on their wholesale sales.  So 
it's paid once, only once, by the last non-de mimimis carrier en route 
to the retail customer. (Disclaimer: IANAL and that's just my 
understanding.)


E911 is a state requirement.  Interconnected VoIP services have to do 
it, but the state sets the price.




On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with 
freeswitch, and it works great.


I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the 
only thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought 
I had to collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. 
Maybe sales tax. etc.


I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity 
booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the 
e-911 is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get 
better pricing and charge what I like to the customers.


Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something 
doesn't sound right, surely it can't be that easy?


Thanks,
Roger


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Chris Fabien]

This can vary by locality too. We offer voip and collect/pay USF, sales
tax, state 911, and a different county 911 fee for each county we serve.


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Randy Cosby  wrote:

>  Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing
> and tax filing in your behalf.
>
> If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the difference
> between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?
>
> On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
>
> So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
> freeswitch, and it works great.
>
> I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only
> thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to
> collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax.
> etc.
>
> I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity
> booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911
> is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better
> pricing and charge what I like to the customers.
>
> Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't
> sound right, surely it can't be that easy?
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Randy Cosby]

Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing 
and tax filing in your behalf.


If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the 
difference between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?


On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with 
freeswitch, and it works great.


I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the 
only thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought 
I had to collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. 
Maybe sales tax. etc.


I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity 
booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the 
e-911 is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get 
better pricing and charge what I like to the customers.


Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something 
doesn't sound right, surely it can't be that easy?


Thanks,
Roger


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[WISPA] VoIP reselling.

[Roger Howard]

So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with
freeswitch, and it works great.

I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the only
thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought I had to
collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. Maybe sales tax.
etc.

I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity
booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the e-911
is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get better
pricing and charge what I like to the customers.

Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something doesn't
sound right, surely it can't be that easy?

Thanks,
Roger
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Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[Eric Rogers]

We use Mikrotik to create a VPN tunnel for our management of our equipment, and 
we keep our UNIFI server on a hosted instance in our DC.  It allows us to 
update APs and we get the alerts when something drops off and prevents us from 
having to use NAT or provide a public IP for each AP for management.  Using VPN 
also allows us to put in other devices (mFI, Cameras, Etc.) onsite without any 
infrastructure changes.

 

If you have multiple sites, you can carve out an instance within Unifi, and 
give access to the local location, but your account has access to all sites.

 

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Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

 

We run the unifi server in the office.  The only requirement is the unifi units 
need to be able to connect to the unifi controller on port 8080, you will also 
need 8880 and 8843 if using the portal redirect.  So even if the controller is 
behind a NAT you can set up a port forwards.

While I haven't set up the AWS controller, those that I have talked to said it 
was dead simple using the steps on the wiki, even from people who aren't system 
administrators.

If the staff is willing to do the vouchers they are pretty simple.  You just 
create a bunch ahead of time, print out the codes and they can hand them out as 
needed.  Every place I have wanted to use it the staff didn't want to mess 
around with it so they just change the WPA2 key every month.

On 03/26/2014 08:50 AM, Mark Spring wrote:

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it all 
just local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near future and I'm 
just curious what others have run into when the unifi is not on your network. 
My knowledge of unifi is almost none, just trying to come up with some 
scenarios that would work best. It seems like others are confirming what I 
think you would run into, the unifi server just won't play that well on site 
for most installs.

Thanks for your feedback!




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New Knoxville Telephone Company
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM,  wrote:

Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay per 
use
camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from Mikrotik
routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but allocating 
its
own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought a few
slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

heith


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager 
for
a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box 
but
using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the
time.

-- Original Message --
From: 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

>Thanks!
>
>From: Bryce Duchcherer
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
>
>We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
>UserManager.
>
>For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. 
It
>uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for
>clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits for 
days,
>speed, data transfer, etc.
>
>It’s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it is in it 
works
>well.
>
>
>
>Check ou

Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[wispa]

Yes, what Sam just said. No VPN as well, slam dunk using the Wiki

From: Mark Spring 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:50 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it all just 
local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near future and I'm just 
curious what others have run into when the unifi is not on your network. My 
knowledge of unifi is almost none, just trying to come up with some scenarios 
that would work best. It seems like others are confirming what I think you 
would run into, the unifi server just won't play that well on site for most 
installs.

Thanks for your feedback!


Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
301 W. South St.
New Knoxville, OH 45871
419.753.5000

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM,  wrote:

  Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay per use
  camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from Mikrotik
  routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but allocating its
  own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought a few
  slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

  heith


  -Original Message-
  From: Stuart Pierce
  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


  I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager for
  a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box but
  using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

  You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a
  computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the
  time.

  -- Original Message --
  From: 
  Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

  >Thanks!
  >
  >From: Bryce Duchcherer
  >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
  >To: WISPA General List
  >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
  >
  >I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
  >
  >We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
  >UserManager.
  >
  >For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. It
  >uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for
  >clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits for days,
  >speed, data transfer, etc.
  >
  >It’s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it is in it works
  >well.
  >
  >
  >
  >Check out www.hotspot-printer.com
  >
  >
  >
  >Another option, depending on the billing system they use, could be to use
  >radius integrated with their billing system to create users.
  >
  >
  >
  >Or, you could just enable user manager and the clerk could create users in
  >the web interface.
  >
  >
  >
  >If you want some more info shoot me an email off list.
  >
  >
  >
  >Bryce D
  >
  >bduc...@netago.ca
  >
  >
  >
  >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  >Behalf Of wi...@mncomm.com
  >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:24
  >To: WISPA General List
  >Subject: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
  >
  >
  >
  >Not sure if I should post to UBNT or Mikrotik. Anyways we have a few motels
  >that we run the UniFi APs in and they offer free use of the service. Of
  >course its all you can eat for anyone across the street from the motel, or
  >those who loiter in the parking lots. I havent really stayed in enough
  >motels to see how they do them but what’s a way that users can get a temp
  >username & password when they check in? I havent dinked with it much on the
  >UniFi. I can see how to do it, kind of, with hotspot on a Mikrotik, but I
  >am not sure I would want a desk clerk dinking with the router. I am
  >assuming that UniFi would be easier to use for this. Problem I have is with
  >the few motels using UniFi they hardly ever keep the software running, and
  >only turn it on when they need remote help from me. We have something
  >similar set up with our ISP billing system for a few campgrounds where they
  >create their own credential then pay a few, but I had to contract a lot of
  >that out due to my inexperience. Maybe I need to look into the Amazon
  >solution. Would be cool to run UniFi on a Mikrotik router.
  >
  >
  >
  >I also assume with them being authenticated we can track bandwidth hogs
  >better. We have quite a few motels that have mostly permanent guests full
  >time, people that never leave the roo

Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[Sam Tetherow]

We run the unifi server in the office.  The only requirement is the 
unifi units need to be able to connect to the unifi controller on port 
8080, you will also need 8880 and 8843 if using the portal redirect.  So 
even if the controller is behind a NAT you can set up a port forwards.


While I haven't set up the AWS controller, those that I have talked to 
said it was dead simple using the steps on the wiki, even from people 
who aren't system administrators.


If the staff is willing to do the vouchers they are pretty simple. You 
just create a bunch ahead of time, print out the codes and they can hand 
them out as needed.  Every place I have wanted to use it the staff 
didn't want to mess around with it so they just change the WPA2 key 
every month.


On 03/26/2014 08:50 AM, Mark Spring wrote:

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it 
all just local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near 
future and I'm just curious what others have run into when the unifi 
is not on your network. My knowledge of unifi is almost none, just 
trying to come up with some scenarios that would work best. It seems 
like others are confirming what I think you would run into, the unifi 
server just won't play that well on site for most installs.


Thanks for your feedback!

Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
301 W. South St.
New Knoxville, OH 45871
419.753.5000

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM, > wrote:


Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay
per use
camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from
Mikrotik
routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but
allocating its
own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought
a few
slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

heith

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup
usermanager for
a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a
Tik box but
using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not
keep a
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or
at the
time.

-- Original Message --
From: mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

>Thanks!
>
>From: Bryce Duchcherer
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
>
>We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
>UserManager.
>
>For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from
Technologic. It
>uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very
easy for
>clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits
for days,
>speed, data transfer, etc.
>
>ItâEUR^(TM)s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it
is in it works
>well.
>
>
>
>Check out www.hotspot-printer.com 
>
>
>
>Another option, depending on the billing system they use, could
be to use
>radius integrated with their billing system to create users.
>
>
>
>Or, you could just enable user manager and the clerk could create
users in
>the web interface.
>
>
>
>If you want some more info shoot me an email off list.
>
>
>
>Bryce D
>
>bduc...@netago.ca 
>
>
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
>Behalf Of wi...@mncomm.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:24
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>
>
>Not sure if I should post to UBNT or Mikrotik. Anyways we have a
few motels
>that we run the UniFi APs in and they offer free use of the
service. Of
>course its all you can eat for anyone across the street from the
motel, or
>those who loiter 

Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[Mark Spring]

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it all
just local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near future and
I'm just curious what others have run into when the unifi is not on your
network. My knowledge of unifi is almost none, just trying to come up with
some scenarios that would work best. It seems like others are confirming
what I think you would run into, the unifi server just won't play that well
on site for most installs.

Thanks for your feedback!

Mark Spring
Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
301 W. South St.
New Knoxville, OH 45871
419.753.5000

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information of NKTelco for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
unauthorized review, distribution, disclosure, copying, use, or
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM,  wrote:

> Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay per use
> camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from Mikrotik
> routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but allocating its
> own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought a few
> slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet
>
> heith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>
> I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager for
> a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box but
> using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.
>
> You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a
> computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the
> time.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500
>
> >Thanks!
> >
> >From: Bryce Duchcherer
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
> >
> >I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
> >
> >We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
> >UserManager.
> >
> >For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. It
> >uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for
> >clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits for days,
> >speed, data transfer, etc.
> >
> >Itâ EURO (tm)s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it is in it 
> >works
> >well.
> >
> >
> >
> >Check out www.hotspot-printer.com
> >
> >
> >
> >Another option, depending on the billing system they use, could be to use
> >radius integrated with their billing system to create users.
> >
> >
> >
> >Or, you could just enable user manager and the clerk could create users in
> >the web interface.
> >
> >
> >
> >If you want some more info shoot me an email off list.
> >
> >
> >
> >Bryce D
> >
> >bduc...@netago.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of wi...@mncomm.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:24
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
> >
> >
> >
> >Not sure if I should post to UBNT or Mikrotik. Anyways we have a few
> motels
> >that we run the UniFi APs in and they offer free use of the service. Of
> >course its all you can eat for anyone across the street from the motel, or
> >those who loiter in the parking lots. I havent really stayed in enough
> >motels to see how they do them but whatâ EURO (tm)s a way that users can get 
> >a
> temp
> >username & password when they check in? I havent dinked with it much on
> the
> >UniFi. I can see how to do it, kind of, with hotspot on a Mikrotik, but I
> >am not sure I would want a desk clerk dinking with the router. I am
> >assuming that UniFi would be easier to use for this. Problem I have is
> with
> >the few motels using UniFi they hardly ever keep the software running, and
> >only turn it on when they need remote help from me. We have something
> >similar set up with our ISP billing system for a few campgrounds where
> they
> >create their own credential then pay a few, but I had to contract a lot of
> >that out due to my inexperience. Maybe I need to look into the Amazon
> >solution. Would be cool to run UniFi on a Mikrotik router.
> >
> >
> >
> >I also assume with them being authenticated we can track bandwidth hogs
> >better. We have quite a few motels that have mostly permanent guests full
> >time, people that never leave the room constantly downloading movies. On
> >the unifi we could always see who they were by MAC only, but forcing
> >someone to log in may help with the abuse.
> >
> >
> >
> >t

Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[wispa]

Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay per use 
camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from Mikrotik 
routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but allocating its 
own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought a few 
slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

heith

-Original Message- 
From: Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager for 
a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box but 
using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a 
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the 
time.

-- Original Message --
From: 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

>Thanks!
>
>From: Bryce Duchcherer
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.
>
>We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and 
>UserManager.
>
>For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. It 
>uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for 
>clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits for days, 
>speed, data transfer, etc.
>
>It’s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it is in it works 
>well.
>
>
>
>Check out www.hotspot-printer.com
>
>
>
>Another option, depending on the billing system they use, could be to use 
>radius integrated with their billing system to create users.
>
>
>
>Or, you could just enable user manager and the clerk could create users in 
>the web interface.
>
>
>
>If you want some more info shoot me an email off list.
>
>
>
>Bryce D
>
>bduc...@netago.ca
>
>
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>Behalf Of wi...@mncomm.com
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:24
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>
>
>Not sure if I should post to UBNT or Mikrotik. Anyways we have a few motels 
>that we run the UniFi APs in and they offer free use of the service. Of 
>course its all you can eat for anyone across the street from the motel, or 
>those who loiter in the parking lots. I havent really stayed in enough 
>motels to see how they do them but what’s a way that users can get a temp 
>username & password when they check in? I havent dinked with it much on the 
>UniFi. I can see how to do it, kind of, with hotspot on a Mikrotik, but I 
>am not sure I would want a desk clerk dinking with the router. I am 
>assuming that UniFi would be easier to use for this. Problem I have is with 
>the few motels using UniFi they hardly ever keep the software running, and 
>only turn it on when they need remote help from me. We have something 
>similar set up with our ISP billing system for a few campgrounds where they 
>create their own credential then pay a few, but I had to contract a lot of 
>that out due to my inexperience. Maybe I need to look into the Amazon 
>solution. Would be cool to run UniFi on a Mikrotik router.
>
>
>
>I also assume with them being authenticated we can track bandwidth hogs 
>better. We have quite a few motels that have mostly permanent guests full 
>time, people that never leave the room constantly downloading movies. On 
>the unifi we could always see who they were by MAC only, but forcing 
>someone to log in may help with the abuse.
>
>
>
>thanks
>
>heith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

[Stuart Pierce]

I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup usermanager for a 
retirement community. You definitely have more control with a Tik box but using 
Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not keep a 
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or at the time.

-- Original Message --
From: 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

>Thanks!
>
>From: Bryce Duchcherer 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
>To: WISPA General List 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
>I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik. 
>
>We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and UserManager.
>
>For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from Technologic. It uses 
>API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very easy for clerks to be 
>able to create users for guests. You can set limits for days, speed, data 
>transfer, etc.
>
>It’s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it is in it works 
>well.
>
> 
>
>Check out www.hotspot-printer.com
>
> 
>
>Another option, depending on the billing system they use, could be to use 
>radius integrated with their billing system to create users. 
>
> 
>
>Or, you could just enable user manager and the clerk could create users in the 
>web interface.
>
> 
>
>If you want some more info shoot me an email off list.
>
> 
>
>Bryce D
>
>bduc...@netago.ca
>
> 
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
>Of wi...@mncomm.com
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:24
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication
>
> 
>
>Not sure if I should post to UBNT or Mikrotik. Anyways we have a few motels 
>that we run the UniFi APs in and they offer free use of the service. Of course 
>its all you can eat for anyone across the street from the motel, or those who 
>loiter in the parking lots. I havent really stayed in enough motels to see how 
>they do them but what’s a way that users can get a temp username & password 
>when they check in? I havent dinked with it much on the UniFi. I can see how 
>to do it, kind of, with hotspot on a Mikrotik, but I am not sure I would want 
>a desk clerk dinking with the router. I am assuming that UniFi would be easier 
>to use for this. Problem I have is with the few motels using UniFi they hardly 
>ever keep the software running, and only turn it on when they need remote help 
>from me. We have something similar set up with our ISP billing system for a 
>few campgrounds where they create their own credential then pay a few, but I 
>had to contract a lot of that out due to my inexperience. Maybe I need to look 
>into the Amazon solution. Would be cool to run UniFi on a Mikrotik router.
>
> 
>
>I also assume with them being authenticated we can track bandwidth hogs 
>better. We have quite a few motels that have mostly permanent guests full 
>time, people that never leave the room constantly downloading movies. On the 
>unifi we could always see who they were by MAC only, but forcing someone to 
>log in may help with the abuse.
>
> 
>
>thanks
>
>heith
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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