RE: [WISPA] [WISPBONE] our first connection to another WISP

2005-09-20 Thread Rick Smith

Yeah, Johnny, I mean, WTF?! 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:33 PM
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Johnny,

Too busy helping the survivors get connected?
You should really learn to keep up! sheesh GRIN!!!

XOXOXO
Thanks,
Dawn

JohnnyO wrote:

WTF? 

JohnnyO

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HmmInterested in doing what?(Sorry, I 
didn't read the other emails, I am a little busy right now. :-)
  


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Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!

2005-09-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Grin.  Yeah, fiber is going in all over the place.  It'll hit every home in 
the country next week.  After all, digging up roads is cheap!


I've had a few people leave DSL for our wireless of late.  They all report 
HUGE increases in performance with us.  And they love the fact that they can 
pick up a phone and call us and we'll actually talk to them.  A real person 
and all.


To understand where broadband is going I think we only have to look to 
dialup.  Look back to about 1992 and put the broadband industry in 2002 in 
that spot.


The day is coming when people will get 100 meg connections for $10.  No one 
will point out that it's only available to .002% of the users nor that 
it's ad supported and choc full of spyware.  But it'll get all the press.


I think that the normal broadband rate is headed for the normal dialup rate 
of $15 to $25.  Speeds (actual not advertised) will be in the 500k to 1.5 
meg range.  (How many people do you know that pitch a fit because their 56k 
modem never really hits 56k?)


Sure it's going to get tougher to compete.  We can still do it cheaper and 
better than they can.   And we can still go places they can't go.  And we 
can get there faster in almost all cases.


Amazingly there are still independent auto mechanics, restaurants, doctors, 
radio stations, garbage collectors etc.  Somehow I think that the WISPs 
won't be going away any time soon.  Not unless they totally screw the pooch.


laters,
Marlon
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From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Grin.  Sure, we'd all pay $50 for 30 megs.
So go get it for YOUR connectivity and offer 10 megs for $35 and still 
make a ton of money!



Sorry, can't do it, it's not a resellable connection. However, they will 
sell you a 30Mbps resellable package for $199/month.


As long as we maintain the ability to buy these types of connections I 
think it's actually a good thing for the wips.



Unfortunately, we don't.

Our wireless just went from 1.5 megs (was limited by the t-1) to 3 meg 
with NO increase in cost to the customer.  No need for them to call us 
and ask for the new service either.  It just happened for them.  The 
telco NEVER treats their customers that way.



Um, Verizon just doubled their DSL speeds everywhere in their territory 
from 1.5Mbps to 3Mbps at no additional charge.


Where I think the whole thing is funny is that the telcos and the cable 
cos don't normally upgrade every few years like the wisps do.  They are 
putting out 30 by 5 megs how far?  Our new gear will do over 20 by 20 
megs for MILES in all directions!  Tomorrow's gear will make that look 
like a joke.  By the time these guys get around to giving away 50 megs 
we'll already be giving people 75!


You have heard of DOCSIS 2.0 and the newest standard DOCSIS 3.0? You do 
know that DSL had been upgraded at least three times in the last six year, 
right? Next up ADSL 2.0+ with 14Mbps (and down from there)


As to the 30Mbps package it goes for as far as Verizon wants to install 
it, it is fiber! As far as 20Mbps symmetrical, so what? The fiber is 
essentially limitless as far as bandwidth is concerned while the equipment 
you mentioned is Shared which is really comparing apples to rocks! And 
unless you know for certain that we are going to get a big chunk of 
spectrum we are eventually going to reach the limits our bands can 
provide. Remember, burst and release is a dying business model, the 
ability to deliver sustained bandwidth speeds is now going to be the rule 
of the road. This means that 75Mbps shared is not 75Mbps delivered to each 
customer sustained. BIG difference.

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Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!

2005-09-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181


- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!



Marlon,

Just so I understand... you are a Wireless ISP, and you sell wireless 
equipment and you stand in front of the FCC talking about wireless 
spectrum, policy, etc... and yet you used a Telco to provide your backhaul 
to another city and for your upstream? Why didn't you use wireless 
equipment to make the 10meg link? Instead, you will pay the Telco from 
this day on, forever. :(


Time and money.  For me to get from noc to noc it would take at LEAST 5 
hops.  And to drop out the other end with 10 megs of reliable service means 
I don't get to use the $2500 kits either.


Also, I travel a lot (to the FCC and other such entities).  If something 
breaks there's no one here to fix it (I'm still working with 1.75 people 
here).  The real tipping point was the ability for the telco to sell me a 
system that would do what I could do for myself at the same price as what I 
could install for myself.  AND maintain it.


Plus, by using a different upstream provider I cut my upstream costs almost 
in half.  Not that we actually pay a lot upstream.  I pay $350 per meg of 
ACTUAL AVERAGE USAGE for one system and the new stuff (I'm cutting the 
network in half now too, half with the old provider, half with the new) is 
coming in at $200.  We use about a meg a month in total.


As you can see, there were decisions made that go past the *me, me, me* 
stage.  I dislike the telco as much if not more than anyone else.  My 
company is about the customers though.  And I believe that the telco 
maintained system is the way to go for me right now.


It was sure tempting to keep going with the idea of putting in stuff for 
myself though.  5 years of payments and it would be bought and paid for. 
Then free for a few more years before needing more upgrading.  Lots to be 
said for that.  Heck, we're combining two t-1s into one pipe right now. 
We're only hitting it at about 1 meg at peak hours.  I've been feeding this 
region with a t-1 since '98 or '99.  So I really think that 10 megs will be 
plenty for at least 6 or 7 years.




For me, I would rather spend $25k, buy a 45mbps full duplex licensed link, 
lease it for $1,000 per month and in 3 years I own it and have a free 
backhaul. In fact, two links that I did that with 34 months ago are almost 
free... ;)


Agreed.  IF you can do it with so few links.  Out here all the towns are 
down in the valleys.  And they aren't just a few miles apart like most 
places.  The nearest town with a stoplight is 45 miles.  The nearest 
flashing red is over 30.  The nearest pizza place is 33.  The nearest mall 
is 80.  The nearest chinese food is 45.


The nearest competitor is across the street.  Well, I moved, now he's two 
blocks away.  Both of them are.


Sometimes you guys that have money and cover areas with real population 
densities just crack me up.  Then I get jelous :-).


that help?
marlon



Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Grin.  Sure, we'd all pay $50 for 30 megs.

So go get it for YOUR connectivity and offer 10 megs for $35 and still 
make a ton of money!


As long as we maintain the ability to buy these types of connections I 
think it's actually a good thing for the wips.


BTW, even out here in Odessa I just dropped a 10 meg vlan to another town 
and 10 meg upstream connectivity in for $800 per month plus $200 per 
month per AVERAGE meg used.  So I have what amounts to TWO 10 meg pipes 
that I'll pay under $1000 per month for.  This in a county of 10,000 
people.


Our wireless just went from 1.5 megs (was limited by the t-1) to 3 meg 
with NO increase in cost to the customer.  No need for them to call us 
and ask for the new service either.  It just happened for them.  The 
telco NEVER treats their customers that way.


Your link to that article was funny.  Just today I was telling someone 
that WISPs aren't all that much responsible for the bottom falling out of 
the broadband market (something I've been saying was going to happen for 
at least 2 years now by the way).  It's the cable/dsl customer ownership 
wars.


Where I think the whole thing is funny is that the telcos and the cable 
cos don't normally upgrade every few years like the wisps do.  They are 
putting out 30 by 5 megs how far?  Our new gear will do over 20 by 20 
megs for MILES in all directions!  Tomorrow's gear will make that look 
like a joke.  By the time these guys get around to giving away 50 megs 
we'll already be giving people 75!


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



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Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!

2005-09-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Yeah, lots of the towns are like his...down in a valley.

http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/centerou.jpg

For Marlon to reach anywhere, it requires at least 2 hops.  There's the one
up out of town, and then from whereever that is to the next high spot, and
if to a town, then back down into town again.

Its easy to backhaul long distance across this area, it's hard to reach down
into where the towns were built - along the banks of rivers or streams, or
next to the railroads, etc.   The valleys provide protection from the
ever-blowing wind, and often have trees and greenery.   Thus, all the towns
are hidden...




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From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!



 - Original Message - 
 From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to compete (was) 30Mbps for $55/month!


  Marlon,
 
  Just so I understand... you are a Wireless ISP, and you sell wireless
  equipment and you stand in front of the FCC talking about wireless
  spectrum, policy, etc... and yet you used a Telco to provide your
backhaul
  to another city and for your upstream? Why didn't you use wireless
  equipment to make the 10meg link? Instead, you will pay the Telco from
  this day on, forever. :(

 Time and money.  For me to get from noc to noc it would take at LEAST 5
 hops.  And to drop out the other end with 10 megs of reliable service
means
 I don't get to use the $2500 kits either.

 Also, I travel a lot (to the FCC and other such entities).  If something
 breaks there's no one here to fix it (I'm still working with 1.75 people
 here).  The real tipping point was the ability for the telco to sell me a
 system that would do what I could do for myself at the same price as what
I
 could install for myself.  AND maintain it.

 Plus, by using a different upstream provider I cut my upstream costs
almost
 in half.  Not that we actually pay a lot upstream.  I pay $350 per meg of
 ACTUAL AVERAGE USAGE for one system and the new stuff (I'm cutting the
 network in half now too, half with the old provider, half with the new) is
 coming in at $200.  We use about a meg a month in total.

 As you can see, there were decisions made that go past the *me, me, me*
 stage.  I dislike the telco as much if not more than anyone else.  My
 company is about the customers though.  And I believe that the telco
 maintained system is the way to go for me right now.

 It was sure tempting to keep going with the idea of putting in stuff for
 myself though.  5 years of payments and it would be bought and paid for.
 Then free for a few more years before needing more upgrading.  Lots to be
 said for that.  Heck, we're combining two t-1s into one pipe right now.
 We're only hitting it at about 1 meg at peak hours.  I've been feeding
this
 region with a t-1 since '98 or '99.  So I really think that 10 megs will
be
 plenty for at least 6 or 7 years.

 
  For me, I would rather spend $25k, buy a 45mbps full duplex licensed
link,
  lease it for $1,000 per month and in 3 years I own it and have a free
  backhaul. In fact, two links that I did that with 34 months ago are
almost
  free... ;)

 Agreed.  IF you can do it with so few links.  Out here all the towns are
 down in the valleys.  And they aren't just a few miles apart like most
 places.  The nearest town with a stoplight is 45 miles.  The nearest
 flashing red is over 30.  The nearest pizza place is 33.  The nearest mall
 is 80.  The nearest chinese food is 45.

 The nearest competitor is across the street.  Well, I moved, now he's two
 blocks away.  Both of them are.

 Sometimes you guys that have money and cover areas with real population
 densities just crack me up.  Then I get jelous :-).

 that help?
 marlon

 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 
  Grin.  Sure, we'd all pay $50 for 30 megs.
 
  So go get it for YOUR connectivity and offer 10 megs for $35 and still
  make a ton of money!
 
  As long as we maintain the ability to buy these types of connections I
  think it's actually a good thing for the wips.
 
  BTW, even out here in Odessa I just dropped a 10 meg vlan to another
town
  and 10 meg upstream connectivity in for $800 per month plus $200 per
  month per AVERAGE meg used.  So I have what amounts to TWO 10 meg pipes
  that I'll pay under $1000 per month for.  This in a county of 10,000
  people.
 
  Our wireless just went from 1.5 megs (was limited by the t-1) to 3 meg
  with NO increase in cost to the customer.  No need 

[WISPA] MRTG

2005-09-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I need to get MRTG on my XP computer so I can graph usage.  I don't
know what to download.  I guess I need some ActivePerl. 
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Download.plex?id=ActivePerl 
I don't know what to get for XP.  And for MRTG, I downloaded from here 
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/pub/  I downloaded this
one, 
 MRTG-2.12.2.zip  19-Jun-2005 15:40  1.6M(5th from the top)   


Sodo I have the right MRTG, and what ActivePerl do I need?  Do I need anything else?  If so, what and where (be specific).  For now I just need to get everything downloaded I need.  
Then I can attempt to put it all together.


Brian



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Re: [WISPA] MRTG

2005-09-20 Thread Jory Privett



That is all you need id you will use the Microsoft 
Web server. If you want you can download Apache http://www.apache.organd it will work 
also.

Jory Privett
WCCS

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brian 
  Rohrbacher 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:27 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] MRTG
  I need to get MRTG on my XP computer so I can graph 
  usage. I don't know what to download. I guess I need some 
  ActivePerl. http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Download.plex?id=ActivePerl 
  I don't know what to get for XP. And for MRTG, I downloaded from 
  here http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/pub/ 
  I downloaded this one,  MRTG-2.12.2.zip  19-Jun-2005 15:40  1.6M(5th from the top)   


Sodo I have the right MRTG, and what ActivePerl do I need?  Do I need anything else?  If so, what and where (be specific).  For now I just need to get everything downloaded I need.  
Then I can attempt to put it all together.


Brian

  
  

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Re: [WISPA] MRTG

2005-09-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




What do I need from here  
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Download.plex?id=ActivePerl

and what is Apache?  Will it work on my XP desktop.  Thats all I have
to work with.

Jory Privett wrote:

  
  
  
  That is all you need id you will use
the Microsoft Web server.  If you want you can download Apache http://www.apache.org and it will
work also.
   
  Jory Privett
  WCCS
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Brian Rohrbacher 
To:
WISPA
General List 
Sent:
Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:27 PM
Subject:
[WISPA] MRTG


I need to get MRTG on my XP computer so I can graph usage.  I don't
know what to download.  I guess I need some ActivePerl.  http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Download.plex?id=ActivePerl 
I don't know what to get for XP.  And for MRTG, I downloaded from here 
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/pub/ 
I downloaded this one, 
 MRTG-2.12.2.zip  19-Jun-2005 15:40  1.6M(5th from the top)   


Sodo I have the right MRTG, and what ActivePerl do I need?  Do I need anything else?  If so, what and where (be specific).  For now I just need to get everything downloaded I need.  
Then I can attempt to put it all together.


Brian

 
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[WISPA] Restoring the Gulf Coast

2005-09-20 Thread John Scrivner
I just got back last night from the gulf affected areas after helping 
crews establish Internet and phone service for use by evacuees and 
assistance staff. It looks like a thermo-nuclear device detonated on the 
gulf coast. Bay of St. Louis (across from Gulf port) is nothing but a 
landfill with bull-dozed paths through the debris to clear roadways. I 
cried, everyone cried, it was life altering. On television it is awful 
but you can go to the other room when you are watching on television. 
When you are there you cannot get away from it. I thought I was going to 
have an anxiety attack when I first got to Bay of St. Louis. You cannot 
smell or feel the sense of what it is like there unless you are actually 
there. I took pictures but wondered why. It was almost a sick feeling to 
photograph such devastation.


I came home last night and I still feel a little shell shocked. I am not 
right. I am definitely more right in the head than those who lived 
through the experience and those who have been there since day one. I 
don't know how people who are helping can last as long as they are. 
There are people there who have been helping non-stop for 2 weeks. I 
cannot imagine it. I spent four days helping and thought I was going to 
fall apart mentally and physically. I am not as strong as I thought I 
was. At least I did some good there. I am glad I went even though I will 
never be completely the same person ever again.

Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] MRTG

2005-09-20 Thread Ray Hill
You need to get the router, IE: cisco or whatever to recognize MRTG... Need 
help email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jean
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From: Brian Rohrbacher

To: WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] MRTG


I need to get MRTG on my XP computer so I can graph usage.  I don't know 
what to download.  I guess I need some ActivePerl. 
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Download.plex?id=ActivePerl  I 
don't know what to get for XP.  And for MRTG, I downloaded from here 
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/pub/  I downloaded this one,


MRTG-2.12.2.zip  19-Jun-2005 15:40  1.6M(5th from 
the top)



Sodo I have the right MRTG, and what ActivePerl do I need?  Do I need 
anything else?  If so, what and where (be specific).  For now I just need to 
get everything downloaded I need.

Then I can attempt to put it all together.


Brian




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Re: [WISPA] Restoring the Gulf Coast

2005-09-20 Thread Rob's list

John,

maybe, if you feel its alright, you could post some of your pictures.
so that others could see what you have seen.  It might just help everyone 
understand

the situation a little better.

rob


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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Restoring the Gulf Coast


I just got back last night from the gulf affected areas after helping crews 
establish Internet and phone service for use by evacuees and assistance 
staff. It looks like a thermo-nuclear device detonated on the gulf coast. 
Bay of St. Louis (across from Gulf port) is nothing but a landfill with 
bull-dozed paths through the debris to clear roadways. I cried, everyone 
cried, it was life altering. On television it is awful but you can go to 
the other room when you are watching on television. When you are there you 
cannot get away from it. I thought I was going to have an anxiety attack 
when I first got to Bay of St. Louis. You cannot smell or feel the sense of 
what it is like there unless you are actually there. I took pictures but 
wondered why. It was almost a sick feeling to photograph such devastation.


I came home last night and I still feel a little shell shocked. I am not 
right. I am definitely more right in the head than those who lived through 
the experience and those who have been there since day one. I don't know 
how people who are helping can last as long as they are. There are people 
there who have been helping non-stop for 2 weeks. I cannot imagine it. I 
spent four days helping and thought I was going to fall apart mentally and 
physically. I am not as strong as I thought I was. At least I did some 
good there. I am glad I went even though I will never be completely the 
same person ever again.

Scriv
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[WISPA] test ignore

2005-09-20 Thread Rob's list



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2005-09-20 Thread Rob's list

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