Re: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni

2006-01-28 Thread Bob Moldashel
Get yourself some 7/8" heliax cable.  It's all over the place for about 
$2 ft.  You can get connectors on EBay for like $15-25 each.  Given the 
distance, your filters, connectors, lightning arrestor and cables you 
should not see more than 3-4 dB.  Of course that depends on whose filter 
you are using.


Then 9dB antenna and you are rocking..I would not go over 9dB either.  
Not worth the extra 1 or 2 dB considering the size.


-B-




chris cooper wrote:


There are a couple reasons- The cable run is @ 57 meters max, 40 meters
with some really creative rope work.  Rural, rolling terrain, much
trees.  By the time you add the cable, la, filter, pigtail etc., I think
I need to make up as much loss as I can on the gain side.  We never
mount BS radios on towers anymore- don't like the exposure of waiting
around for ice to thaw, need for multiple people to climb/watch to
trouble shoot etc. Can you tell me what you mean by the pattern
shrinking to paper thin?  Of the 3 manufactures of H-pol omnis I looked
at, the vertical beamwidths run from 9.5-18 degrees.  If ground level is
915' and antenna is 120' AGL, then wont the beam be mighty wide by the
time it gets to horizon?
I could be completely ignorant here..

chris



Why go higher then 9db? The pattern will shrink to paper thin
figuratively speaking. We have wy better luck with 9db or less
at 900mhz.

Barry

Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote:



cic> Anybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain
than 9Db?
cic> thanks, 
cic> chris




 




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RE: [WISPA] 900b mhz omni

2006-01-28 Thread chris cooper
There are a couple reasons- The cable run is @ 57 meters max, 40 meters
with some really creative rope work.  Rural, rolling terrain, much
trees.  By the time you add the cable, la, filter, pigtail etc., I think
I need to make up as much loss as I can on the gain side.  We never
mount BS radios on towers anymore- don't like the exposure of waiting
around for ice to thaw, need for multiple people to climb/watch to
trouble shoot etc. Can you tell me what you mean by the pattern
shrinking to paper thin?  Of the 3 manufactures of H-pol omnis I looked
at, the vertical beamwidths run from 9.5-18 degrees.  If ground level is
915' and antenna is 120' AGL, then wont the beam be mighty wide by the
time it gets to horizon?
I could be completely ignorant here..

chris



Why go higher then 9db? The pattern will shrink to paper thin
figuratively speaking. We have wy better luck with 9db or less
at 900mhz.

Barry

Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 10:04:54 PM, you wrote:



cic> Anybody know where i can find an H-pol 900 mhz omni w/ higer gain
than 9Db?
cic> thanks, 
cic> chris



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Re: [WISPA] USF tax changes?

2006-01-28 Thread John Scrivner
We are in an industry that already has some regulatory oversight and 
will continue to be regulated and/or controlled in some fashion or 
another by the government. There is no denying it. It would be like 
sticking your head in the sand to not try to actively participate in the 
process being put into place for building universal access to broadband 
across the U.S.. It is far better for us to have a say in how these 
things are done than to simply ignore them or try to believe they will 
not happen. It is ok to say you do not like it. In a perfect world we 
would need no government at all for anything. The world is not perfect 
and we will be regulated. It is up to us to make sure that regulation is 
done responsibly and in our best interests if at all possible. We can 
choose to be part of the process or become processed (like mechanically 
separated meat products).  I vote we become part of the process.

Scriv



Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF tax changes?


 


I had a call the other day from someone at the Congressional Budget
   


Office.
 


It *looks* like there is a move afoot to expand USF to broadband.

I believe this would only be a good thing for the market.

Out here the telco gets $109 per month per phone line.  And they require a
phone line for DSL service.

So $15 per phone line.
$30 per dsl.
$109 per line in usf funds.

Nearly $160 per month per sub.  And I get $35.  Oh joy!

Now if I could get $109 too!  At nearly 300 subs today  Man could I
   


put
 


in a nice network!  And afford to go where others aren't going yet.

And the value of a wisp would REALLY shoot through the roof.
   



But Marlon...  If you "raise" us to "thier" level, you're going to see your
services taxed at state and federal level, you're going to SWAMPED with
paperwork, and you won't be able to do sqat without 25 forms in triplicate.
And that includes, going to the bathroom.

You're going to end up subjecting us to the same regulatory climate that
"they" live in.  And that will be the end of the WISP business, where only
the monopoly-type telcos with the huge capitalization and lotsa lawyers on
staff will be able to do "wireless".

Would I like to get 150 / mo per sub, and have to bill only 41 bucks to do
it?   Darn right. Heck, if I got 109 / mo for each sub, I'd bill $1/ mo
and sign people like there was no tomorrow...

Given the choice of being regulated and getting the money and not being
regulated and doing without it...

I choose without.

I don't think the alternative is viable.

 


I'm not a big fan of government meddling but one of two things has to
   


happen
 


here.  Either they drop usf (most rural telcos would fold so this is
unlikely) or expand it to include us and cable and sat.  Like it or not,
government funding was used for electrification, phones, roads etc.  If
   


the
 


competition is going to get subsidized, we should to.
   



I say drop it, and re-write the laws governing VOIP and POTS service, so
that "anyone" can do it, just like "anyone" can be a WISP.   It's going to
mean that "gauranteed" phone service would be a thing of the past...  And I
don't see any reason it should be "gauranteed".  Just like it shouldn't be
"gauranteed" your cell will work or your satellite dish will work, or your
pager will work, or there's a theater in town.   For that matter, anyone
that remote can now get satellite phones...

Heck, it isn't even guaranteed there'll be a decent place to eat lunch in
town...   ( especially not Odessa, hehehehe ).


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sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!

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WISPA needs to support this move.  In a big way.
Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [WISPA] USF tax changes?


   


Does WISPA have a stand on this?

http://techrepublic.com.com/2100-1035-5959140.html?tag=nl.e550

As one who has built my network without any public money, I have no
interest in collecting special taxes.  I have more than enough paperwork
now...

I also don't want my competitors to get government money to build their
networks.  But locally, I have found out that they are getting
 


government
 


grants to expand into my area.  Having seen their install rates, monthly
fees a