Re: [WISPA] NO new customers for VONAGE

2007-04-06 Thread Rich Comroe 
>I think the message for the rest of the VoIP industry is:
>" You're next "

Maybe true, but I have a different opinion.

The ruling included an explicit list of the algorithms that infringed on 
Verizon (shout out thanks go to Peter for these).  It's clear that you can 
build VoIP service without infringement ... but Vonage didn't ... not because 
it had to intentionally use the Verizon algorithms, but because it didn't know 
any better (because they didn't know enough to check for IPR).  Vonage will be 
infringement free as soon as they re-engineer their service (and open for new 
business) ... and you know they'll be re-engineering at full-steam.  Depending 
on how quickly they got started (presumably they've already been working 
full-steam since the initial infringement lawsuit was filed) it could be up and 
running within months (or less).

Small fish will never be gone after by Verizon, and hopefully the open-source 
project VoIP solutions are IPR infringement free (or will soon be ... having 
been awakened to the implications of IPR by this ruling).

I think the real message for the rest of the VoIP industry is that the big 
players (both manufacturers and operators) religiously protect their IPR, and 
if you want to compete (meaning: grow large) you better pay attention.  
Vonage's crime was complete total ignorance of the law of IPR (which we all 
know is always a very poor legal defense for breaking the law).

Rich

p.s.  On re-reading before hitting SEND I note that I use the IPR acronym 
without definition ... hopefully the readers here know that IPR means 
Intellectual Property Rights (meaning patents & copyrights).
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Unger 
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  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] NO new customers for VONAGE


  I think the message for the rest of the VoIP industry is:

  " You're next "



  George Rogato wrote:
  > Yipes!  this is going to really hurt.
  > 
  > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_hi_te/vonage_verizon_suit
  > 
  > I wonder what this means for the rest of the voip industry...

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Re: [WISPA] CALEA info

2007-04-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro 

Marlon,

Below are just a few typos I found on this very informative WISPA CALEA FAQ.

Last paragraph section 1;
There are 2 periods at the end of the first sentence.

Section 9;
Should it be hash or Hash?

Question 2 Section 18;
Asymmetric is spelled wrong.

Last paragraph Section 18;
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with the following sentence?
"This may indeed mean that you have to get a USB drive and hang it on 
the collection server They will work with us."


You are right that this document was worked on since it was posted on 
the WISPA public list and it is a "bummer" you missed these last few typos.


I would like to thank everyone that took time out of their already busy 
lives to get answers for the complicated questions regarding CALEA 
compliance.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

Alex has posted a lot of new CALEA info on www.isp-planet.com today.

Pay particular attention to the WISPA CALEA FAQ.  We sent a team to 
Quantico

to get answers to the common questions we saw people ask.

Hope this helps,

Marlon
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1999!

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[WISPA] CALEA info

2007-04-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 

Hi All,

Alex has posted a lot of new CALEA info on www.isp-planet.com today.

Pay particular attention to the WISPA CALEA FAQ.  We sent a team to Quantico
to get answers to the common questions we saw people ask.

Hope this helps,

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Re: [WISPA] NO new customers for VONAGE

2007-04-06 Thread Jack Unger 

I think the message for the rest of the VoIP industry is:

" You're next "



George Rogato wrote:

Yipes!  this is going to really hurt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_hi_te/vonage_verizon_suit

I wonder what this means for the rest of the voip industry...


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[WISPA] NO new customers for VONAGE

2007-04-06 Thread George Rogato 

Yipes!  this is going to really hurt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_hi_te/vonage_verizon_suit

I wonder what this means for the rest of the voip industry...
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[WISPA] International Summit for Community Wireless Networks (May 18-20, 2007, Washington, DC): CALL FOR PANELS.

2007-04-06 Thread Sascha Meinrath 
We're finishing up the program -- so please get panel ideas in quick!

--Sascha

*** PLEASE FORWARD ***

CALL FOR PANELS -- Due May 1, 2007
International Summit for Community Wireless Networks
May 18-20, 2007, Washington, DC
Send panel proposals and questions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Register now online: http://www.cuwin.net/summit/registration

Since the first National Summit for Community Wireless Networks in 2004,
hundreds of community Internet and municipal broadband projects have sprung up
in the United States and around the globe.  Broadband access is increasingly
important to all facets of civil society, but many communities are being left
out of this communications revolution. "High-speed broadband access is the
electricity of the 21st century, yet many rural and poorer urban communities are
being left off the grid," says Ben Scott, policy director of Free Press, a
DC-based policy think-tank. "The innovators and organizers at the International
Summit for Community Wireless Networks are blazing the trail to make broadband
affordable and available to everyone."

The Community Wireless Networking (CWN) movement has evolved since its
beginnings in the 1990s.  Although it has made impressive strides in the area of
developing autonomous mesh networks, the larger success of the CWN movement has
been the encouragement of citizens, small businesses, and local governments to
get involved in local telecom infrastructure as important stakeholders.  More
than ever we are taking hands-on approaches to ensure that our communities have
the telecommunications infrastructure necessary for an inclusive, dynamic and
socially just future.  Although there is still a focus on the "wireless", CWN's
have served as rallying points for local movements for advocacy of the local
public interest of telecom infrastructure.  "Wireless networking is about far
more than Internet connectivity," states Sascha Meinrath, Summit Director.
"It's about building next-generation multi-media services for communities,
fostering economic justice, and facilitating a vibrant arts and cultural scene."

This year, Summit organizers are focused on the social and economic justice
aspects of wireless technologies and the impacts of community broadband on civil
societies worldwide.  With this in mind, the Champaign-Urbana Community Wireless
Network (CUWiN) and the Center for Community Informatics (CCI) are hosting the
International Summit for Community Wireless Networks from May 18-20, 2007 at
Loyola College in Columbia, Maryland and are looking for panel ideas from
throughout the wireless community to flesh out the Summit program.

The Summit focuses on how wireless networks can better serve their target
populations, the policies needed to support broader deployment of community
wireless systems, and the latest technological and software innovations in the
field.  We invite your submission and participation in this year's International
Summit for Community Wireless Networks to discuss and exchange ideas on how to
make universal broadband access a reality.  More information is available at:
http://www.wirelesssummit.org

The Summit serves as a space were citizens, creators of technologies,
businesspeople, policy advocates can gather to learn from one another and
develop new ideas on how to support telecommunications infrastructures that
serve the needs of communities.  Please join us in Washington, DC, May 18-20,
2007.  Register now at: http://www.cuwin.net/summit/registration

CALL FOR PANELS:

Interested presenters are encouraged to propose innovative panels focusing on
the three themes for the Summit: technology, policy, and implementation.  The
International Summit for Community Wireless Networks distinguishes itself from
typical technical and academic conferences by engaging all participants in an
ongoing dialog that encourages a strategic approach to community wireless
network development and telecommunications policy reform. Panelists will not
simply present their own work and opinions -- they will also serve as
facilitators of a process that records lessons learned and help produce a
comprehensive "to-do list" of action items for the coming months and years.
While three days is not long enough to develop a truly comprehensive strategic
plan, panels at the Summit represent a significant opportunity for thinkers,
developers, and stakeholders to produce substantial recommendations to support
the development of community wireless networks. The Summit is, in essence, a
gathering of leaders in the field and an opportunity to shape the future of this
movement.  Past panels can be reviewed at:
http://www.cuwin.net/2006summit/2006schedule

Panel ideas will be accepted on a rolling basis and must be received no later
than May 1, 2007.  Please send panel proposals and questions to: [EMAIL 
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Travel stipends are available for speakers with financial need.

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[WISPA] 1.4 GHZ LICENSES

2007-04-06 Thread Peter R. 

Report No: AUC-69 Released:  04/05/2007.  WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS
BUREAU ANNOUNCES THAT APPLICATIONS FOR 1.4 GHZ BAND LICENSES ARE
ACCEPTED FOR FILING. (DA No.  07-1622)  Auction No. 69.  WTB. Contact:
Erin McGrath or Michael Connelly at (202) 418-0620
















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Re: [WISPA] Fibertower's numbers

2007-04-06 Thread Matt Liotta 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do you have any Idea if investment opportunities my be in the near future?
  
I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. If this is for the entire list 
please clarify. If not, then it may be better to email me offlist.


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA

2007-04-06 Thread Dawn DiPietro 

George,

I do understand this list does not get to see everything that goes on 
with WISPA but this also does not mean that we should see documents that 
are a work in progress with and shown as if it were a finished product. 
It could give a bad impression on potential members and make them think 
this organization does not have it's act together. As you can see with 
no updates on this document one can easily come to conclusions on what 
actually happened to this document. Either this list be kept up to date 
on progress with no input or not at all and they see the final document 
and that is it. No where in the post did the document say it was a work 
in progress.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



George Rogato wrote:

"membership has it's privileges!"

:) :) :)


George Rogato wrote:

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Scriv,

The only document I saw was the word doc named "wispa calea fbi q 
and a" which was posted to the public list on March 31. If there has 
been work done on it since then the public list did not get a chance 
to see it.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Thats right Dawn, the public list is the one with the least of the 
privileges.


George




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Re: [WISPA] Fibertower's numbers

2007-04-06 Thread michaeldavidlake 
Do you have any Idea if investment opportunities my be in the near future?
 
Mike 
 
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We are not a publicly traded company and do not provide financial
information to the general public.

-Matt 

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> 
> What are One Rings Finacials Matt??? 
>  
> Mike
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [WISPA] Fibertower's numbers
> 
> 
> For those interested... Looking through Fibertower's 
> financials for FY06, the headline is revenue of $13.7M on 
> expenses of $57M. This is a year over year revenue growth of 
> 121% on expense growth of 129%.
> 
> It appears that the notes they sold in November 2006 raised 
> enough money to take them into 2008.
> 
> -Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

2007-04-06 Thread RickG 

Dawn,
Never mind my last post ;)
-RickG

On 4/4/07, Dawn DiPietro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mac,

Ken is speaking at ISPCON and we are both going to be there.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



Mac Dearman wrote:
> Dawn,
>
> Are you and Ken going to ISPCON?
>
>
> Mac Dearman
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)
>
> All,
>
> I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will
> keep you all posted.
> There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel
> about 2 miles on
> International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some
> input from Peter
> would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-)
>
> Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Dawn DiPietro
>
> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>
>> Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra
>> curricular.
>> Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the
>> conversation for the most part.
>> An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within
>> walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the
>> conference would probably help to get more people together after hours.
>>
>>Sam Tetherow
>>Sandhills Wireless
>>
>> Peter R. wrote:
>>
>>> I'll tell you what...  I'll actually put a social schedule together
>>> for the event.
>>> A dinner, some poker, a peer to peer.
>>> And if anyone wants it, hit me up in May.
>>> (Don't forget to send in why you should get a free pass).
>>>
>>> Also, if you are bringing the family and want help with where to
>>> stay, what to do, etc. Hit me up off-list.
>>> Condos and homes (3BR/2BA) are available for rent in Orlando reasonably.
>>>
>>> Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>>>
>>>
 That might not be all bad!  :-)
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
 Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:33 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)

 The poker game would have been a lot better if someone would have
 had actual
 chips. ;)

 It may be that I knew fewer people at that last 2 ISPCONs but it
 seemed to
 me that the WISPCON folks do a lot more socializing than the ISPCON
 crowd
 does.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] Orlando

2007-04-06 Thread RickG 

Dawn,

Is Ken gonna be there?

-RickG

On 4/4/07, Dawn DiPietro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All,

Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano's Little
Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the pasta was
waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe he was just
having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other Italian restaurants
in the area but they are pricey.

http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinner-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines

Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different
experience with this restaurant?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Peter R. wrote:
> I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan.
>
> Couple of notes:
>
> The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive,
> Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza Hotel
> @ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best room rate
> near here.
>
> There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International
> Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the Mercado.
> (There's a trolley available on International Drive, but traffic is so
> deep, walking can be faster).
>
> How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano's Little Italy? After dinner
> there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May
> 24 is ISP-CEO).
>
> Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case
> studies are being lined up for this one.
>
> Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private room.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
> Dawn DiPietro wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and
>> will keep you all posted.
>> There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference
>> hotel about 2 miles on
>> International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so
>> some input from Peter
>> would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary
>> shuttles. ;-)
>>
>> Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dawn DiPietro
>>
>> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>
>>> Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the
>>> extra curricular.
>>> Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the
>>> conversation for the most part.
>>> An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within
>>> walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the
>>> conference would probably help to get more people together after hours.
>>>
>>> Sam Tetherow
>>> Sandhills Wireless
>>

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[WISPA] POE splitters/imjectors

2007-04-06 Thread RickG 

Anyone know where to get cheap poe injector & splitter combos?
-RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (leasing) -- WISP Financial Model

2007-04-06 Thread RickG 

That was a fun excercise Charles!  I'm glad you're sharing it! Good
input from many on this list too! When is the last time it was
updated?

-RickG

On 4/4/07, Charles Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For curiosities sake, attached is a financial model of a WISP that I
worked with several people on this and other listservs to put together a
few years ago (2004/2005) -- it shows the base startup WISP model...a
startup WISP model using leasing...and a startup WISP model from a
preexisting ISP

Keep in mind -- a financial model is just a model, will you be able to
poke holes, find faults, etc with it...probably, just use it as a
reference point

Feel free to criticize, it'd be fun to update

-Charles


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This is all thru our company. We own the equipment when the lease is
over. Right now, after doing this for 5 years, we still have about 85%
of our original CPE in the field.

Travis
Microserv

Peter R. wrote:
> Who's credit is used?
> Does the customer do the leasing?
> Are they signing a lease agreement?
> If so, what happens if they have bad credit?
>
> - Peter
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> And thus my argument (and proof of concept) for leasing the CPE...
>> going on 5 years now with leasing and we could do 1,000 installs per
>> month (assuming we could get the man-power, vehicles, tools, etc.) if

>> we wanted.
>>
>> The other difference is we aren't using VC money or ANY outside
>> investments... when we install a new customer, $39 per month is our
>> starting package. $10 per month goes to pay for the CPE equipment. I
>> don't have to come up with ANY money out-of-pocket, AND the
>> installers time, vehicle expenses, gas, tools, etc. are paid for by
>> the customer. So, it doesn't cost me a dime to install a new
>> customer. :)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
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