Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

[ralph]

Please elaborate, Jeff.

Ralph

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

He should have tried this 2 years ago before it wasn't common knowledge that
citywide mesh =! Work

 


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Subject: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

Here's a guy who is "building" a Muni WiMAX network all by himself.  



Either:

a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members know
(because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni Wi-MAX
networks), or

b) The opposite is true, or

c) Neither of the above. Another journalist is conflating Wi-Fi and WiMAX
(again).


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Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[Chuck McCown - 3]

With this as well as many other issues that WISPA is trying to do, you might 
look at USTA and OPASTCO as a templates.  They do for the small telcos what 
WISPA is trying to do for us.

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this


> One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo
> committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and
> helping reinforce their market position.
>
> Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership
> isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small.
>
> If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps
> land their muni deals, they should speak up.
>
> Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers.
>
> George
>
>
> Brian Webster wrote:
>> This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP
>> industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a
>> good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and 
>> economic
>> development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area
>> and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will
>> deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a
>> better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a
>> vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
>>
>>
>> Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
>> there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
>> options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless 
>> providers
>> in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
>> around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child 
>> left
>> un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
>> any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on 
>> for
>> a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American 
>> Red
>> Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
>> called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
>> were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
>> install!
>>
>>
>>
>> Article is attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   _
>>
>> From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
>>
>>
>> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
>>
>> July 24, 2008
>>
>> What can better broadband mean to Crawford County?
>>
>>
>>
>> By Gary Ogle
>>
>> Telegraph-Forum
>>
>>
>>
>> GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group 
>> of
>> community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
>> afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people 
>> they
>> help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.
>>
>> "One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
>> getting people to understand they need technology."
>>
>> The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
>> Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
>> divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
>> from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the 
>> eCommunity,
>> were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use 
>> broadband
>> now and how it could impact them in the future.
>>
>> "This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
>> Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin 
>> the
>> process within the next two years.
>>
>> Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
>> there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."
>>
>> Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
>> representatives of business and industry, education, health care and
>> community organizations.
>>
>> Part of the process was to divide them into nine "sectors" as defined by
>> their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's 
>> meeting
>> had participants in seven of the nine sectors.
>>
>> Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, 
>> its

Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes, but smaller streams tend to be less effected by network congestion 
and latency, therefore usually less jitter.  Provided that their is not a 
large processing overhead/delays for doing the compression to get the 
smaller streams at the ATAs and providers PBX Servers.  That was the benefit 
of Targeted Technology stuff, it enabled a small stream without taxing the 
hardware/software heavilly Compared to Asterisk and low grade ATAs that 
can be brought down to their knees trying to compress down to small streams 
using the standard protocols for 8k-16k.

As well, less bandwdith is an advantage to the "proivider" not necessarilly 
a benefit to the VOIP user.

Even with PPS, if the stream is smaller, there are less PPS needed to be 
passed.

One of the problems with the Targeted Tech stuff, is it was not fax capable 
yet. When we were looking into it last year, the idea was that we'd launch 
our own VOIP fax service to bundle with the TargetedTech service.

I probably should disclose, the reason we did not go with Targeted last year 
was that at the time, we did not want to use a pay-per-minute only provider.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Tom,
>
> Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter 
> buffers
>
> G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too
>
> -Charles
>
>
> Charles Wu
> President
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500
>
> 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 
> 773.326.4641
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
> Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have,
> first
>
> I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called "Targeted Technologies".
>
> They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It
> worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large
> scale testing).
> Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the
> same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had 
> used
> in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size.  They primarilly were
> targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify 
> an
> inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use.
> Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments.
> They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when 
> we
> looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop
> programs for WISPs was worthy of note.
>
> There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it
> would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential
> networks.
> One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where
> they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about
> billing integration.
> At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be 
> now?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Marlon,
>> How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the 
>> hosted
>> platform?
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>>> Netsapians.
>>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>>> think
>>> I
>>> can sell.
>>>
>>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>>> is
>>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>>> from
>>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>>
>>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
>>> wars
>>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST 
>>> services
>>> on
>>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>>> transport.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>>> List"
>>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
>>> > Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> > launches?
>>> >
>>> > Who did you

Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

[Tom DeReggi]

Thanks guys.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor


> Tom,
>
> Take a look at Cacti (www.cacti.net) to do this.  It allows you to give
> create users and only give them access to their data.  It can also display
> 95% usage and total transfer so customers can know what their billing will
> be.
>
>> Adam,
>>
>> You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of.
>>
>> Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying 
>> unique
>> info for multiple resellers of the ISP.
>> Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime. 
>> I'd
>> like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my
>> otehr customers.
>> And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not 
>> my
>> other customers.
>>
>> This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data...
>> I
>> only collect it into a common portal.  I'd rather have it multi-user,
>> multi-view.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Adam Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>>
>>
>>> Another 2 cents of mine
>>>
>>> I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since
>>> the days of it being called "Netsaint". You literally can make Nagios
>>> check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and
>>> open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is
>>> all about.
>>>
>>> Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement)
>>> for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific:
>>>
>>> - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to
>>> temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust
>>> notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I
>>> would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50
>>> radios)
>>>
>>> - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes
>>> than they should
>>>
>>> - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to
>>> "fix" the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't
>>> work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried
>>> rebooting ;)
>>>
>>> Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script,
>>> perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are
>>> other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular
>>> expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file
>>> with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care
>>> of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be
>>> checked etc.
>>>
>>> Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find
>>> in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It
>>> only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also
>>> don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file
>>> with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right
>>> there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in
>>> OpenNMS on accident?
>>>
>>> If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web
>>> interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam Kennedy
>>> Senior Network Administrator
>>> Cyberlink Technologies, Inc.
>>> Phone: (888) 293-3693
>>> Fax: (574) 855-5761
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>>>
>>> Free is also a good thing.  Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is
>>>
>>> the agents.  You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for
>>> hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at
>>> the hotspot location.  Slick as can be, simple, and works!
>>>
>>> Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start
>>> building from scratch, but works like a champ!
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Well,

 Very good question, and I only have one answer...

 Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's
>>> specific
 need as required.

 However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree,
>>> Dude is
 pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Messa

Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Jeff Booher]

Agreed with everything that charles is saying here.

Your network generally needs to support edge device ( cpe )  priortization
and QOS that controls the jitter, packetloss, and latency of a given packet.
Not many solutions in BWA support this very well. PPS is definitely part of
it, but the scheduler is just as important.

 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Mike,

Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your
network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction
standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently
support)

-Charles


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate
with my company at this point.  I've done G.711 and T.38 with many
softswitches and many ATAs.  It's too finicky.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we 
> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work 
> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 
>> doesn't really work.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People 
>>> like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to 
>>> the basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you 
>>> brain cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of 
>>> reasons.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
 (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
 wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
 form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
 lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
 price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
 services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA
 General
 List"
 ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> launches?
>
> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
> billing?
>
> --
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.boonlink.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message contains information which may be confidential and
> privileged.
> Unless you are the add

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[Rick Harnish]

Kurt,

I have reached out to Connected Nation and Connect Ohio to see if they would
like to pursue a partnership opportunity with WISPA to better promote our
members.  I will update you all when I hear something further.

Respectfully,
Rick Harnish


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

Or we can contact ConnectedNation.org and work out a partnership between
WISPA and CN to help identify where WISPs exist in the USA.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo 
committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and 
helping reinforce their market position.

Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership 
isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small.

If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps 
land their muni deals, they should speak up.

Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers.

George


Brian Webster wrote:
> This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP
> industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a
> good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and
economic
> development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area
> and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will
> deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a
> better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a
> vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
> 
> 
> Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
> there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
> options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers
> in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
> around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child
left
> un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
> any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on
for
> a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American
Red
> Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
> called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
> were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
> install!
> 
> 
> 
> Article is attached.
> 
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _
> 
> From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
> 
> 
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
> 
> July 24, 2008
> 
> What can better broadband mean to Crawford County?
> 
> 
> 
> By Gary Ogle
> 
> Telegraph-Forum
> 
> 
> 
> GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of
> community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
> afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people
they
> help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.
> 
> "One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
> getting people to understand they need technology."
> 
> The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
> Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
> divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
> from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the
eCommunity,
> were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use
broadband
> now and how it could impact them in the future.
> 
> "This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
> Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin
the
> process within the next two years.
> 
> Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
> there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."
> 
> Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
> representatives of business and industry, education, health car

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[Rick Harnish]

Or we can contact ConnectedNation.org and work out a partnership between
WISPA and CN to help identify where WISPs exist in the USA.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo 
committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and 
helping reinforce their market position.

Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership 
isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small.

If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps 
land their muni deals, they should speak up.

Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers.

George


Brian Webster wrote:
> This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP
> industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a
> good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and
economic
> development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area
> and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will
> deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a
> better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a
> vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
> 
> 
> Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
> there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
> options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers
> in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
> around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child
left
> un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
> any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on
for
> a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American
Red
> Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
> called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
> were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
> install!
> 
> 
> 
> Article is attached.
> 
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _
> 
> From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
> 
> 
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
> 
> July 24, 2008
> 
> What can better broadband mean to Crawford County?
> 
> 
> 
> By Gary Ogle
> 
> Telegraph-Forum
> 
> 
> 
> GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of
> community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
> afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people
they
> help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.
> 
> "One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
> getting people to understand they need technology."
> 
> The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
> Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
> divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
> from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the
eCommunity,
> were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use
broadband
> now and how it could impact them in the future.
> 
> "This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
> Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin
the
> process within the next two years.
> 
> Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
> there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."
> 
> Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
> representatives of business and industry, education, health care and
> community organizations.
> 
> Part of the process was to divide them into nine "sectors" as defined by
> their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting
> had participants in seven of the nine sectors.
> 
> Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its
> application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future
> with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a
> public/priva

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[George Rogato]

One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo 
committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and 
helping reinforce their market position.

Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership 
isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small.

If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps 
land their muni deals, they should speak up.

Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers.

George


Brian Webster wrote:
> This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP
> industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a
> good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic
> development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area
> and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will
> deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a
> better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a
> vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
> 
> 
> Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
> there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
> options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers
> in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
> around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child left
> un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
> any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for
> a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red
> Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
> called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
> were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
> install!
> 
> 
> 
> Article is attached.
> 
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _
> 
> From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
> 
> 
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
> 
> July 24, 2008
> 
> What can better broadband mean to Crawford County?
> 
> 
> 
> By Gary Ogle
> 
> Telegraph-Forum
> 
> 
> 
> GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of
> community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
> afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they
> help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.
> 
> "One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
> getting people to understand they need technology."
> 
> The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
> Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
> divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
> from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity,
> were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband
> now and how it could impact them in the future.
> 
> "This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
> Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the
> process within the next two years.
> 
> Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
> there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."
> 
> Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
> representatives of business and industry, education, health care and
> community organizations.
> 
> Part of the process was to divide them into nine "sectors" as defined by
> their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting
> had participants in seven of the nine sectors.
> 
> Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its
> application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future
> with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a
> public/private partnership.
> 
> "It's not costing the counties a thing," Cutler said. "That's going to be
> the cost the providers themselves invest."
> 
> The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective
> broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea
> of where and how to invest in improving service.
> 
> "It's driven by supply and demand l

Re: [WISPA] FW: Connect Ohio County Meetings

[Rick Harnish]

Further Information on Provider Partnerships can be found at
http://www.connectohio.org/providers/.

Thanks,
Rick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:22 PM
To: 'Kurt Fankhauser'; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] FW: Connect Ohio County Meetings

Kurt,

 

Here is an email that was sent to me last month.  The ConnectOhio program is
modeled after the ConnectKentucky Program which evolved into
http://connectednation.org/index.php.   My network covers a small portion of
NW Ohio and I did notify Gary when I first heard that the program was
expanding to Ohio.  I don't know much about it other than a conversation I
had at a wireless conference in Chicago a year and a half ago with Wes Kerr
of ConnectKentucky.  They did want to work with current providers to the
best of my understanding.

 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

 

From: Lambert, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:40 AM
To: Gary Lambert
Cc: Cutler, Sage
Subject: Connect Ohio County Meetings

 

Interested Parties:

 

Sage and I have created calendar of events of the meeting schedule in each
county.  This is to serve as your notification of when and where we are
holding a meeting that may be of interest to you or your organization.  This
will be a dynamic calendar and will need to be reviewed routinely. 

 

Calendar Link

http://www.egovlink.com/connectohio/events/calendar.asp 

 

As always if you have questions please contact Sage or I

 

Regards,

 

Gary Lambert

Southeastern Field Director 

Connect Ohio

270-781-4320 Office

740-818-9377 Cell

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.connectohio.org   

 

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[WISPA] FW: Connect Ohio County Meetings

[Rick Harnish]

Kurt,

 

Here is an email that was sent to me last month.  The ConnectOhio program is
modeled after the ConnectKentucky Program which evolved into
http://connectednation.org/index.php.   My network covers a small portion of
NW Ohio and I did notify Gary when I first heard that the program was
expanding to Ohio.  I don't know much about it other than a conversation I
had at a wireless conference in Chicago a year and a half ago with Wes Kerr
of ConnectKentucky.  They did want to work with current providers to the
best of my understanding.

 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

 

From: Lambert, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 7:40 AM
To: Gary Lambert
Cc: Cutler, Sage
Subject: Connect Ohio County Meetings

 

Interested Parties:

 

Sage and I have created calendar of events of the meeting schedule in each
county.  This is to serve as your notification of when and where we are
holding a meeting that may be of interest to you or your organization.  This
will be a dynamic calendar and will need to be reviewed routinely. 

 

Calendar Link

http://www.egovlink.com/connectohio/events/calendar.asp 

 

As always if you have questions please contact Sage or I

 

Regards,

 

Gary Lambert

Southeastern Field Director 

Connect Ohio

270-781-4320 Office

740-818-9377 Cell

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.connectohio.org   

 

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Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[Brian Webster]

This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP
industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a
good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic
development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area
and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will
deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a
better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a
vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-)



Thank You,
Brian Webster


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this


Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers
in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child left
un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for
a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red
Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
install!



Article is attached.



Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com





  _

From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document




Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)


Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)

July 24, 2008

What can better broadband mean to Crawford County?



By Gary Ogle

Telegraph-Forum



GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of
community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they
help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.

"One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
getting people to understand they need technology."

The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity,
were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband
now and how it could impact them in the future.

"This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the
process within the next two years.

Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."

Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
representatives of business and industry, education, health care and
community organizations.

Part of the process was to divide them into nine "sectors" as defined by
their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting
had participants in seven of the nine sectors.

Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its
application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future
with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a
public/private partnership.

"It's not costing the counties a thing," Cutler said. "That's going to be
the cost the providers themselves invest."

The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective
broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea
of where and how to invest in improving service.

"It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity," Cutler said.

The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like
Lifetouch Church Directories of Galion which deals in publications using
digital photography.

"It's a huge value. The affordable availability to of broadband is critical
to our company's future," Steve McElhatten said. "We have communications
that come in large data files. These use are just huge files."

The faster those files can be transmitted, the faster they can be processed.

To the general public better Internet service with broadband can lower
transportation costs because more people will be able to work from home. It
can also mean more affordable opportunities in education because of the
availability of improved and more comprehens

Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[Marlon K. Schafer]

It's all about grant money Kurt.

Somehow, once we actually start fixing these problems they start to forget 
that we're out there.

Wanna have some fun?  Call the governor's office and relate these 
things/stories and see what they have to say.  grin
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this


> Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
> there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
> options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers
> in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
> around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child 
> left
> un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
> any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on 
> for
> a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American 
> Red
> Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
> called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
> were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
> install!
>
>
>
> Article is attached.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  _
>
> From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document
>
>
>
>
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
>
>
> Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)
>
> July 24, 2008
>
> What can better broadband mean to Crawford County?
>
>
>
> By Gary Ogle
>
> Telegraph-Forum
>
>
>
> GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of
> community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
> afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people 
> they
> help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.
>
> "One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
> getting people to understand they need technology."
>
> The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
> Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
> divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
> from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the 
> eCommunity,
> were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use 
> broadband
> now and how it could impact them in the future.
>
> "This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
> Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin 
> the
> process within the next two years.
>
> Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
> there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."
>
> Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
> representatives of business and industry, education, health care and
> community organizations.
>
> Part of the process was to divide them into nine "sectors" as defined by
> their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting
> had participants in seven of the nine sectors.
>
> Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its
> application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future
> with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a
> public/private partnership.
>
> "It's not costing the counties a thing," Cutler said. "That's going to be
> the cost the providers themselves invest."
>
> The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective
> broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea
> of where and how to invest in improving service.
>
> "It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity," Cutler 
> said.
>
> The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like
> Lifetouch Church Directories of Galion which deals in publications using
> digital photography.
>
> "It's a huge value. The affordable availability to of broadband is 
> critical
> to our company's future," Steve McElhatten said. "We have communications
> that come in large data files. These use are just huge files."
>
> The faster those files can be transmitted, the faster they can be 
> processed.
>
> To the general public better Internet service with broadband can lower
> transportation costs because more people will be able to work from home. 
> It
> can also mean more affordable opportunities in education because of the
> availability of improved and more comprehensive online classes.
>
> But at first glance availability and affordability don't appear to be a
> problem in Crawford County.
>
> Connec

[WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently
there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband
options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers
in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring
around with the governor called "Connect Ohio" with a moto of "No child left
un-connected." Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard
any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for
a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red
Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they
called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they
were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the
install!

 

Article is attached.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

  _  

From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document

 


Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)


Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH)

July 24, 2008

What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? 

 

By Gary Ogle

Telegraph-Forum

 

GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of
community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday
afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they
help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate.

"One of the biggest problems," North Central State's Don Plotts said, "is
getting people to understand they need technology."

The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's
Connect Ohio initiative "to accelerate technology and close the digital
divide," was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People
from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity,
were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband
now and how it could impact them in the future.

"This is the second benchmark work session in the state," Cutler said.
Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the
process within the next two years.

Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first "because
there were some other broadband initiatives (here)."

Those in attendance included government officials from across the county,
representatives of business and industry, education, health care and
community organizations.

Part of the process was to divide them into nine "sectors" as defined by
their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting
had participants in seven of the nine sectors.

Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its
application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future
with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a
public/private partnership.

"It's not costing the counties a thing," Cutler said. "That's going to be
the cost the providers themselves invest."

The concept is that by detailing the needs and potential for effective
broadband usage in each county, Internet providers will have a better idea
of where and how to invest in improving service.

"It's driven by supply and demand like every other commodity," Cutler said.

The importance of quality broadband use is obvious to a business like
Lifetouch Church Directories of Galion which deals in publications using
digital photography.

"It's a huge value. The affordable availability to of broadband is critical
to our company's future," Steve McElhatten said. "We have communications
that come in large data files. These use are just huge files."

The faster those files can be transmitted, the faster they can be processed.

To the general public better Internet service with broadband can lower
transportation costs because more people will be able to work from home. It
can also mean more affordable opportunities in education because of the
availability of improved and more comprehensive online classes.

But at first glance availability and affordability don't appear to be a
problem in Crawford County.

Connect Ohio's research shows that the county has higher than average
availability compared to the rest of the state. The average cost in Ohio for
broadband service to households is just over $35 per month. In Crawford
County the price ranges from $29.92 to $32.52.

But the county's rate of adaptability, efficient and effective use of the
Internet, is just 36 percent compared to 55 percent statewide.

"Higher availability, lower adaptability," Lambert said. "The question is
why?"

Many of those in attendance agreed with Plott about convincing people of the
value and necessity of broadband Internet service.

"Our biggest issues aren't necessarily access, it's more awareness and
ad

Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious

[Charles Wu]

>Not sure if we are offering intl.  I think we decided to sell them phone
>cards if they want intl

Talk about an interesting world -- I've recently started broadening my 
horizons, and I'll tell you, it's hard to differentiate a "prepaid guys" from a 
"pimp" (many, actually do both =)

Anyone game for 50 second minutes?

-Charles

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Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious

.
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Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious


>> Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls.
>
> Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records.
>
> Sincerely,
>
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> Maximum Technologies, LLC
> Office 318.303.4725
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Charles Wu]

Mike,

Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network
Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards 
are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support)

-Charles


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate
with my company at this point.  I've done G.711 and T.38 with many
softswitches and many ATAs.  It's too finicky.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
>> doesn't
>> really work.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
>>> like
>>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
>>> the
>>> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>>> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
>>> reasons.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
 (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
 wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
 form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
 lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
 price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
 services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

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 List"
 ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
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> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> launches?
>
> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
> billing?
>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Charles Wu]

Tom,

Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter buffers

G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too

-Charles


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have,
first

I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called "Targeted Technologies".

They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It
worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large
scale testing).
Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the
same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used
in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size.  They primarilly were
targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an
inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use.
Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments.
They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we
looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop
programs for WISPs was worthy of note.

There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it
would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential
networks.
One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where
they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about
billing integration.
At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Marlon,
> How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted
> platform?
>
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>> think
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>> > Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> > launches?
>> >
>> > Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
>> > billing?
>> >
>> > --
>> > John M. McDowell
>> > Boonlink Communications
>> > 307 Grand Ave NW
>> > Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> > 256.844.9932
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Charles Wu]

We've been doing VoIP (and FAX) for over 7 years right now and T.38 works great 
for us (we have guys faxing 80+ pages with no problem)
A few things

1. Since we no longer own a WISP (and are bound by a wireless non-compete when 
we sold several years ago), all of our connections are run over landline 
circuits (that said, even when we had a WISP, we never ran VoIP over shared 
best-effort multipoint wireless)

2. We hard-set the T.38 protocol to fax only (we had problems when the protocol 
would "modulate")

3. We don't run dial credit card machines over VoIP (bad idea)

4. We QoS the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] out of the network (not just our last mile, 
but we've found the only way to roll out a Centrex solution is to basically 
"own" the customer's network)

#4 is the most interesting to me, as it seems that people are coming to this 
reality and splitting into 2 camps

1. SIP trunk only providers (so they can set their demarc at the Asterisk PBX)
2. Managed Service Providers (guys who not just do VoIP, but support networks, 
PCs, computers, apps, everything)

It's actually a pretty interesting discussion to get into...

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't
really work.


--
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>> think
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> launches?
>>>
>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John M. McDowell
>>> Boonlink Communications
>>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>>> 256.844.9932
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.boonlink.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

[canopy]

Tom,

Take a look at Cacti (www.cacti.net) to do this.  It allows you to give
create users and only give them access to their data.  It can also display
95% usage and total transfer so customers can know what their billing will
be.

> Adam,
>
> You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of.
>
> Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique
> info for multiple resellers of the ISP.
> Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime.  I'd
> like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my
> otehr customers.
> And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my
> other customers.
>
> This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data...
> I
> only collect it into a common portal.  I'd rather have it multi-user,
> multi-view.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>
>
>> Another 2 cents of mine
>>
>> I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since
>> the days of it being called "Netsaint". You literally can make Nagios
>> check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and
>> open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is
>> all about.
>>
>> Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement)
>> for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific:
>>
>> - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to
>> temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust
>> notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I
>> would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50
>> radios)
>>
>> - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes
>> than they should
>>
>> - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to
>> "fix" the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't
>> work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried
>> rebooting ;)
>>
>> Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script,
>> perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are
>> other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular
>> expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file
>> with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care
>> of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be
>> checked etc.
>>
>> Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find
>> in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It
>> only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also
>> don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file
>> with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right
>> there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in
>> OpenNMS on accident?
>>
>> If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web
>> interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com
>>
>>
>> Adam Kennedy
>> Senior Network Administrator
>> Cyberlink Technologies, Inc.
>> Phone: (888) 293-3693
>> Fax: (574) 855-5761
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>>
>> Free is also a good thing.  Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is
>>
>> the agents.  You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for
>> hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at
>> the hotspot location.  Slick as can be, simple, and works!
>>
>> Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants.  :)
>>
>>
>> We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start
>> building from scratch, but works like a champ!
>>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>> Well,
>>>
>>> Very good question, and I only have one answer...
>>>
>>> Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's
>> specific
>>> need as required.
>>>
>>> However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree,
>> Dude is
>>> pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the
 Dude?  It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text
 msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, ou

Re: [WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

[Jeff Booher]

He should have tried this 2 years ago before it wasn't common knowledge that
citywide mesh =! Work

 


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Here's a guy who is "building" a Muni WiMAX network all by himself.  



Either:

a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members know
(because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni Wi-MAX
networks), or

b) The opposite is true, or

c) Neither of the above. Another journalist is conflating Wi-Fi and WiMAX
(again).


jack

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Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

[D. Ryan Spott]

Cacti can do this out of the box. If you use AD or LDAP you can auth against it 
or use the built in database.

Nagios can be perms based as well but it is a lot dirtier.

ryan

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:56 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

Adam,

You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of.

Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique 
info for multiple resellers of the ISP.
Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime.  I'd 
like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my 
otehr customers.
And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my 
other customers.

This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I 
only collect it into a common portal.  I'd rather have it multi-user, 
multi-view.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor


> Another 2 cents of mine
>
> I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since
> the days of it being called "Netsaint". You literally can make Nagios
> check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and
> open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is
> all about.
>
> Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement)
> for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific:
>
> - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to
> temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust
> notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I
> would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50
> radios)
>
> - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes
> than they should
>
> - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to
> "fix" the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't
> work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried
> rebooting ;)
>
> Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script,
> perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are
> other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular
> expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file
> with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care
> of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be
> checked etc.
>
> Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find
> in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It
> only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also
> don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file
> with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right
> there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in
> OpenNMS on accident?
>
> If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web
> interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com
>
>
> Adam Kennedy
> Senior Network Administrator
> Cyberlink Technologies, Inc.
> Phone: (888) 293-3693
> Fax: (574) 855-5761
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>
> Free is also a good thing.  Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is
>
> the agents.  You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for
> hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at
> the hotspot location.  Slick as can be, simple, and works!
>
> Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants.  :)
>
>
> We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start
> building from scratch, but works like a champ!
>
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> Very good question, and I only have one answer...
>>
>> Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's
> specific
>> need as required.
>>
>> However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree,
> Dude is
>> pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the
>>> Dude?  It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text
>>> msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages,
>>> traffic on my links, u

Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

[Tom DeReggi]

Adam,

You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of.

Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique 
info for multiple resellers of the ISP.
Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime.  I'd 
like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my 
otehr customers.
And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my 
other customers.

This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I 
only collect it into a common portal.  I'd rather have it multi-user, 
multi-view.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor


> Another 2 cents of mine
>
> I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since
> the days of it being called "Netsaint". You literally can make Nagios
> check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and
> open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is
> all about.
>
> Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement)
> for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific:
>
> - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to
> temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust
> notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I
> would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50
> radios)
>
> - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes
> than they should
>
> - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to
> "fix" the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't
> work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried
> rebooting ;)
>
> Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script,
> perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are
> other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular
> expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file
> with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care
> of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be
> checked etc.
>
> Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find
> in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It
> only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also
> don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file
> with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right
> there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in
> OpenNMS on accident?
>
> If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web
> interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com
>
>
> Adam Kennedy
> Senior Network Administrator
> Cyberlink Technologies, Inc.
> Phone: (888) 293-3693
> Fax: (574) 855-5761
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>
> Free is also a good thing.  Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is
>
> the agents.  You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for
> hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at
> the hotspot location.  Slick as can be, simple, and works!
>
> Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants.  :)
>
>
> We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start
> building from scratch, but works like a champ!
>
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> Very good question, and I only have one answer...
>>
>> Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's
> specific
>> need as required.
>>
>> However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree,
> Dude is
>> pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the
>>> Dude?  It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text
>>> msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages,
>>> traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to
>>> look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go
>>> fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1
> support
>>> crew (daughter or son) to look at.
>>>
>>> I'm interested in finding out what I would gain by running Nagios or
>>> Cacti?  From what I see o

Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

[Adam Kennedy]

Another 2 cents of mine

I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since
the days of it being called "Netsaint". You literally can make Nagios
check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and
open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is
all about.

Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement)
for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific:

- Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to
temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust
notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I
would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50
radios)

- Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes
than they should

- Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to
"fix" the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't
work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried
rebooting ;)

Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script,
perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are
other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular
expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file
with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care
of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be
checked etc.

Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find
in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It
only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also
don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file
with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right
there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in
OpenNMS on accident?

If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web
interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com


Adam Kennedy
Senior Network Administrator
Cyberlink Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (888) 293-3693
Fax: (574) 855-5761


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

Free is also a good thing.  Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is

the agents.  You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for 
hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at 
the hotspot location.  Slick as can be, simple, and works! 

Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants.  :)


We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start 
building from scratch, but works like a champ!


Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Well,
>
> Very good question, and I only have one answer...
>
> Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's
specific 
> need as required.
>
> However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree,
Dude is 
> pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
>
>
>   
>> I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the
>> Dude?  It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text
>> msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages,
>> traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to
>> look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go
>> fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1
support
>> crew (daughter or son) to look at.
>>
>> I'm interested in finding out what I would gain by running Nagios or
>> Cacti?  From what I see on this thread, it would take both to do the
job
>> of just one Dude?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>> 
>>> I used  the cacti/nagios combo for years, but in Feb I switched to 
>>> OpenNMS.
>>> It was tricky to get setup, and the folks on their IRC were
invaluable! 
>>> Now
>>> it auto scans multiple ip networks and ranges I specify every 4
hours and
>>> sends me a txt msg each time I add customers.  For all the normal
stuff 
>>> it
>>> runs every 5 minutes and produces graphs for not just ping but
'smoke 
>>> ping',
>>> http, dns, ssh, and other commonly discovered ports.  It also
collects a
>>> good bit of snmp data and graphs it.  The time invested and IRC
questions
>>> this last Feb are paying off in a sweet way now.  My system looks at
a
>>> couple hundred interfaces and a total of about a thousand
ports/graphs 
>>> for
>>> the network.  Just My 2 cents worth.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Adam Kennedy 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 The Wireless Connectio

Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Chuck McCown]

Let me put it this way:
I have a RadioShack store.  It's only service is from my WISP.  All of its 
orders are placed and received via fax.
Its only phone service is Voip.  Finicky?  Nope.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate
> with my company at this point.  I've done G.711 and T.38 with many
> softswitches and many ATAs.  It's too finicky.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
>> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
>> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
>>> doesn't
>>> really work.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
 Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
 like
 their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
 Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
 the
 basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
 cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
 reasons.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
> (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
> Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
> think
> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
> wifi.  That
> is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
> form
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
> lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
> price
> wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
> services
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA
> General
> List"
> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> launches?
>>
>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
>> billing?
>>
>> -- 
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.boonlink.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[WISPA] He knows what we don't... ???

[Jack Unger]

Here's a guy who is "building" a Muni WiMAX network all by himself.  



Either:

a) This gentleman believes he knows a whole lot more than WISPA members 
know (because very few WISPA members are single-handedly building Muni 
Wi-MAX networks), or

b) The opposite is true, or

c) Neither of the above. Another journalist is conflating Wi-Fi and 
WiMAX (again).


jack

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Re: [WISPA] ISPbrain.com

[Rogelio]

John McDowell wrote:
> Anyone heard of them? used them?

I haven't, but I would like to look into them.  Doesn't look like 
anything you couldn't roll yourself, just a more integrated package:

* Subscriber Registration & Billing via Online Credit Card Processing
* Subscriber Authentication & Accounting
* Subscriber Login Page with Branding &
* Bandwidth Allocation & Usage Reporting by Subscriber, Group, or Network
* Automated Billing
* Support Ticket Tracking
* Network Equipment Database & Device Monitoring
* IP Space Management
* Wireless backhaul, access point, subscriber stations, and mesh nodes






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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Matt Liotta]

I challenge that. We have made fax over G711 work with piece of crap  
ATAs and Asterisk. Its the network that matters most.

-Matt

On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to  
> associate
> with my company at this point.  I've done G.711 and T.38 with many
> softswitches and many ATAs.  It's too finicky.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
>> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
>> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
>>> doesn't
>>> really work.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
 Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
 like
 their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
 Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
 the
 basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you  
 brain
 cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
 reasons.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
> (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
> Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product  
> that I
> think
> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
> wifi.  That
> is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
> form
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
> lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
> price
> wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
> services
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to  
> be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA
> General
> List"
> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip  
>> product
>> launches?
>>
>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
>> billing?
>>
>> -- 
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.boonlink.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This message contains information which may be confidential and
>> privileged.
>> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the
>> addressee),
>> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the
>> message or
>> any
>> information contained in the message. If you have received the
>> message
>> in
>> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
>> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to
>> spoofing,
>> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to  
>> your
>> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the
>> message or
>> the
>> source, please contact the sender directly.
>>
>>
>> 
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>> 
>>
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Mike Hammett]

Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate 
with my company at this point.  I've done G.711 and T.38 with many 
softswitches and many ATAs.  It's too finicky.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
>> doesn't
>> really work.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
>>> like
>>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
>>> the
>>> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>>> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
>>> reasons.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
 (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
 wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
 form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
 lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
 price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
 services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
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 To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA
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 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
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> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> launches?
>
> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
> billing?
>
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> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
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Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Wireless

[D. Ryan Spott]

And for those of you that don't want to fill out the form...

http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchResults_ByStateCounty.aspx?stateid=&countyid=|

Should give you a lovely map.

ryan

D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> I emailed and was given this website:
>
> http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchTabs.aspx
>
> ryan
>
> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>   
>> The following link has contact info for all the GFRs.  Contact the GFR in 
>> your area to see if Crossroads Wireless is trying to get loans or grants to 
>> serve areas you already serve.  The GFRs need to know you.  Who knows, they 
>> might even have some money for you.
>> http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/staff/gfr-state-list.htm 
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Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Wireless

[D. Ryan Spott]

I emailed and was given this website:

http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchTabs.aspx

ryan

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> The following link has contact info for all the GFRs.  Contact the GFR in 
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> serve areas you already serve.  The GFRs need to know you.  Who knows, they 
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Re: [WISPA] HP Buys Colubris

[Mac Dearman]

Is this not our old friend Demetrius (Big D) Sirdopolis's (sp?) company??

Mac




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> Cisco has bought numerous wireless companies over the years. Now HP is
> buying one, too.
> 
> jack
> 
> 
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/30929
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> http://www.crn.com/networking/210001940
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Re: [WISPA] VOX Partner program?

[John McDowell]

My rep is [EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IIRC, VOX is a Wispa member? Anyone could provide me the contact to
> signup as a reseller?
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> Thanks
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[WISPA] HP Buys Colubris

[Jack Unger]

Cisco has bought numerous wireless companies over the years. Now HP is 
buying one, too.

jack


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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

[Kurt Fankhauser]

The enclosures are Hammond Eclipse Junior series. Part # is EJ1084
Wisp-Router carries them I think but they are cheaper at www.alliedelec.com

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

What kind of outdoor boxes were you using for the RB units? 

-Cam

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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:07 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] new site install pictures

Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you
want
to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as
this
is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
appreciate some comments as well. :)

 

http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Matt Liotta]

G711

T.38 is a crapshoot.

-Matt

On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Which do you do successfully?
>
> G711 faxing or G729 w/ T.38?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
>> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
>> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
>>> doesn't
>>> really work.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
 Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
 like
 their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
 Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
 the
 basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you  
 brain
 cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
 reasons.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
> (keeping
> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
> Netsapians.
> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product  
> that I
> think
> I
> can sell.
>
> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
> wifi.  That
> is
> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
> form
> from
> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
> lines
>
> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
> price
> wars
> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
> services
> on
> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to  
> be
> transport.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA
> General
> List"
> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip  
>> product
>> launches?
>>
>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
>> billing?
>>
>> -- 
>> John M. McDowell
>> Boonlink Communications
>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>> 256.844.9932
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Tom DeReggi]

Which do you do successfully?

G711 faxing or G729 w/ T.38?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
>> doesn't
>> really work.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
>>> like
>>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
>>> the
>>> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>>> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
>>> reasons.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
 (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
 wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
 form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
 lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
 price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
 services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

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 To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA
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 List"
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 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
> launches?
>
> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
> billing?
>
> -- 
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.boonlink.com
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Tom DeReggi]

Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, 
first

I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called "Targeted Technologies".

They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It 
worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large 
scale testing).
Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the 
same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used 
in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size.  They primarilly were 
targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an 
inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. 
Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. 
They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we 
looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop 
programs for WISPs was worthy of note.

There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it 
would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential 
networks.
One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where 
they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about 
billing integration.
At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Marlon,
> How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted
> platform?
>
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) 
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I 
>> think
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That 
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price 
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
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>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
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>> > Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>> > launches?
>> >
>> > Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you 
>> > billing?
>> >
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>> > John M. McDowell
>> > Boonlink Communications
>> > 307 Grand Ave NW
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Re: [WISPA] VOX Partner program?

[Joe Fiero]

Here you go

http://www.voxcorp.net/products_wholesale.shtml





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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:42 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] VOX Partner program?

IIRC, VOX is a Wispa member? Anyone could provide me the contact to
signup as a reseller?

Thanks

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Matt Liotta]

Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we  
found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work  
over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.

-Matt

On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38  
> doesn't
> really work.
>
>
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
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>
>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
>> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People  
>> like
>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to  
>> the
>> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
>> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of  
>> reasons.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with  
>>> (keeping
>>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>>> Netsapians.
>>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
>>> think
>>> I
>>> can sell.
>>>
>>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni  
>>> wifi.  That
>>> is
>>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any  
>>> form
>>> from
>>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone  
>>> lines
>>>
>>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the  
>>> price
>>> wars
>>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST  
>>> services
>>> on
>>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>>> transport.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA  
>>> General
>>> List"
>>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>>
>>>
 Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
 launches?

 Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you  
 billing?

 -- 
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.boonlink.com






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[WISPA] VOX Partner program?

[Gino Villarini]

IIRC, VOX is a Wispa member? Anyone could provide me the contact to
signup as a reseller?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] new site install pictures

[Cameron Kilton]

What kind of outdoor boxes were you using for the RB units? 

-Cam

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:07 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] new site install pictures

Hey guys I just got some pictures uploaded of one of my AP sites if you
want
to check it out. Hopefully someone starting out can benefit from it as
this
is 4 years of knowledge from being on the lists here and picking up on
better ways of how to do installs. Got any questions just ask. I'd
appreciate some comments as well. :)

 

http://www.wavelinc.com/towers/DSGE_Tower/

 

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 





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