Re: [WISPA] FTTx
H. thanks for the heads up. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as it turns out. It's a WISPA members list. Chuck Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non- PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Michael If you can reduce the TX power on 2 of the sectors and see if the third has RSL improvement Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:44:52 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
I actually shut the radio's off on the two opposite sectors and didn't see improvement, tried that with all three sectors, they all read about the same. From the suggestions here and elsewhere, I'm going to do the following one at a time. 1). Spectrum analyze with all the radios off. 2). Adjust the downtilt first, I have a client setup, I'll adjust the downtilt on their sector from 7.8 to 4 degrees and see what happens, if that helps I'll go to 0.3 and look at the settings, which will align the main beam to 5 miles out, and try to catch everybody underneath, I have seen confirmation that downtilt can affect just the AP side. 3). Remove the LP and see if that makes any difference, our inhouse testing doesn't show any impact though. 4). Separate the radios by 10 feet vertically, I will do this anyway, although turning off the other sectors should have taken this out of the equation, unless the other two sectors are reflecting on each other badly, because of their close proximity. 5). Change out a radio, and see if somehow all of my radio's got fried. Regards Michael Baird Michael If you can reduce the TX power on 2 of the sectors and see if the third has RSL improvement Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:44:52 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
There's enough extra fiber that tranceiver based deployment could be done on a small scale along side it. I've run the fiber and I'm waiting for a GEPON 1gbps system to arrive any day from Versatek http://www.versatek.com/products/gepon.htm 1gbps for 32 users, or less if you want. I found this to be less expensive than a 2-fiber 100mbps dedicate tranceiver network solely on the cost of fiber splicing and ends. 1 fiber to the neighborhood means fewer splices or couplers along the path, and fewer at each end. Do a spreadsheet of the parts list you'll need, and fiber connectors will add up quick at $15-20 a pop. Splices are less, but still require considerable manpower. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:10:35PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non-PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] basic mikrotik question
Hey Butch, Just got back to review this list ... thanks for the very useful post about letting the Mikrotiks participate in the trunking. Much appreciated! Adam - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] basic mikrotik question On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 09:01 -0400, Adam Greene wrote: A while back we experimented with trunking VLANs over a Mikrotik backhaul, and *at the same time* putting the Mikrotiks themselves into a tagged 802.1q management VLAN. We had major problems with that. I just did this the other day. There are several possible scenarios that you can do: 1. Straight passing of vlan tags (just simple layer2 bridge) where the MT is not participating in any of the vlans. This is very easy, as you said. 2. Passthrough of tagged traffic and the MT participates in one or more vlans (management vlan for example). This, too, is fairly easy. * Build the bridge to include the ports that will passthrough traffic. * Build a bridge to host the management vlan. * Create a vlan on the passthrough bridge and add this vlan interface to the vlan host bridge. DO NOT add the management vlan as a port on the passthrough bridge * managment IP address would be assigned to the vlan host bridge 3. VLAN termination with trunked port. Simply add vlan interfaces on the physical interface. IP addresses for each vlan would be assigned to the vlan interfaces themselves. The physical interface would then be equivalent to a Cisco trunk port. Each vlan is a routing interface in this scenario. 4. VLAN participation where multiple ports participate in the vlan. This is a bit more complex type of configuration and describing steps to create this would be too difficult to do here in a generic fasion. You can, of course, have combinations of all the above. The trick with Mikrotik is a matter of creative use of bridges and vlans and understanding traffic flow at layer 2. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network
The advice I have generally received is to use OSPF only for distributing infrastructure routes within one's network, and iBGP for all production routes (i.e. netblocks associated with customers and services). Thanks, Adam Webjogger Internet Services ASN 20208 - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network More importantly OSPF or most IGPs for that matter can only get so large before their performance becomes an issue. BGP doesn't have these scalability issues. Therefore, large networks run OSPF or ISIS for select parts of their network and then aggregate the parts behind BGP. -Matt On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Charles Wu wrote: Dynamic route redistribution if your network is sufficiently complex and you have customers that you are servicing bgp to that you want to protect from intra-network failure -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network What are the bennefits of running both protocols in the internal network? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
Could there be any other source of interference? What else is on the tower? Greg On Jun 16, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Michael Baird wrote: I actually shut the radio's off on the two opposite sectors and didn't see improvement, tried that with all three sectors, they all read about the same. From the suggestions here and elsewhere, I'm going to do the following one at a time. 1). Spectrum analyze with all the radios off. 2). Adjust the downtilt first, I have a client setup, I'll adjust the downtilt on their sector from 7.8 to 4 degrees and see what happens, if that helps I'll go to 0.3 and look at the settings, which will align the main beam to 5 miles out, and try to catch everybody underneath, I have seen confirmation that downtilt can affect just the AP side. 3). Remove the LP and see if that makes any difference, our inhouse testing doesn't show any impact though. 4). Separate the radios by 10 feet vertically, I will do this anyway, although turning off the other sectors should have taken this out of the equation, unless the other two sectors are reflecting on each other badly, because of their close proximity. 5). Change out a radio, and see if somehow all of my radio's got fried. Regards Michael Baird Michael If you can reduce the TX power on 2 of the sectors and see if the third has RSL improvement Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:44:52 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
The only other things on the tower according to the owner, is at 150mhz and 450 mhz. Regards Michael Baird Could there be any other source of interference? What else is on the tower? Greg On Jun 16, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Michael Baird wrote: I actually shut the radio's off on the two opposite sectors and didn't see improvement, tried that with all three sectors, they all read about the same. From the suggestions here and elsewhere, I'm going to do the following one at a time. 1). Spectrum analyze with all the radios off. 2). Adjust the downtilt first, I have a client setup, I'll adjust the downtilt on their sector from 7.8 to 4 degrees and see what happens, if that helps I'll go to 0.3 and look at the settings, which will align the main beam to 5 miles out, and try to catch everybody underneath, I have seen confirmation that downtilt can affect just the AP side. 3). Remove the LP and see if that makes any difference, our inhouse testing doesn't show any impact though. 4). Separate the radios by 10 feet vertically, I will do this anyway, although turning off the other sectors should have taken this out of the equation, unless the other two sectors are reflecting on each other badly, because of their close proximity. 5). Change out a radio, and see if somehow all of my radio's got fried. Regards Michael Baird Michael If you can reduce the TX power on 2 of the sectors and see if the third has RSL improvement Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:44:52 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation
It sure seems like interference since it's on all three APs, even when you turn off the other two. One bad radio is possible but not three. Could there be some others source of interference near but not on the tower? Greg On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Michael Baird wrote: The only other things on the tower according to the owner, is at 150mhz and 450 mhz. Regards Michael Baird Could there be any other source of interference? What else is on the tower? Greg On Jun 16, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Michael Baird wrote: I actually shut the radio's off on the two opposite sectors and didn't see improvement, tried that with all three sectors, they all read about the same. From the suggestions here and elsewhere, I'm going to do the following one at a time. 1). Spectrum analyze with all the radios off. 2). Adjust the downtilt first, I have a client setup, I'll adjust the downtilt on their sector from 7.8 to 4 degrees and see what happens, if that helps I'll go to 0.3 and look at the settings, which will align the main beam to 5 miles out, and try to catch everybody underneath, I have seen confirmation that downtilt can affect just the AP side. 3). Remove the LP and see if that makes any difference, our inhouse testing doesn't show any impact though. 4). Separate the radios by 10 feet vertically, I will do this anyway, although turning off the other sectors should have taken this out of the equation, unless the other two sectors are reflecting on each other badly, because of their close proximity. 5). Change out a radio, and see if somehow all of my radio's got fried. Regards Michael Baird Michael If you can reduce the TX power on 2 of the sectors and see if the third has RSL improvement Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:44:52 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Seperation WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
What kind of cost are we looking at to get into fiber? What is the cost of fiber now by the foot...I know this will vary by type and strands...so say multimode, around 100 strands. I do not know much about fiber, so sorry if these are stupid questions. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:21 -0700 H. thanks for the heads up. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as it turns out. It's a WISPA members list. Chuck Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non- PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
It's about $10k/mile to build aerial 60 - 96 strand aerial cable. It's about $1600/home to do a 400 or so home FTTx deployment. Singlemode is what you'll want to use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx What kind of cost are we looking at to get into fiber? What is the cost of fiber now by the foot...I know this will vary by type and strands...so say multimode, around 100 strands. I do not know much about fiber, so sorry if these are stupid questions. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:21 -0700 H. thanks for the heads up. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as it turns out. It's a WISPA members list. Chuck Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non- PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] UPS RFP
Need Advise Where to find: 12V output 120V input IP/SNMP control Outdoor Style (NEMA) Anyone make such a beast. I hate the idea of having to use a AC UPS to convert its battery back to AC just to switch it back to DC at the POE. What a waste of electricity and it lowers Tower uptime in a power outage. I know you could just use a charging unit connected to deep cycle batteries but what happens when the power goes out and you had no idea and the battery get down to 8v. Surly there is someone out there with one that's $1k. Shouldn't be more than a couple hundred bucks. Steve RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS RFP
Where can I get information on the Forrests SiteMonitors or similar products? Thanx NGL -- From: Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:16 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS RFP Have the charging unit connected to deep cycle batteries, install one of Forrests SiteMonitors, or a Mikrotik that can sense input voltage, then monitor that via SNMP. You can get the PoE injectors and control them with the SiteMonitor as well. I'm just writing a web interface to talk SNMP to Forrests SiteMonitors so that I don't have to teach everyone how to do an snmpset from the command line. -Kevin On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Need Advise Where to find: 12V output 120V input IP/SNMP control Outdoor Style (NEMA) Anyone make such a beast. I hate the idea of having to use a AC UPS to convert its battery back to AC just to switch it back to DC at the POE. What a waste of electricity and it lowers Tower uptime in a power outage. I know you could just use a charging unit connected to deep cycle batteries but what happens when the power goes out and you had no idea and the battery get down to 8v. Surly there is someone out there with one that's $1k. Shouldn't be more than a couple hundred bucks. Steve RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS RFP
http://packetflux.com/ I don't think he has a lot of info about the PoE units on the website, they're fairly new. -Kevin On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, NGLn...@ngl.net wrote: Where can I get information on the Forrests SiteMonitors or similar products? Thanx NGL -- From: Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:16 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS RFP Have the charging unit connected to deep cycle batteries, install one of Forrests SiteMonitors, or a Mikrotik that can sense input voltage, then monitor that via SNMP. You can get the PoE injectors and control them with the SiteMonitor as well. I'm just writing a web interface to talk SNMP to Forrests SiteMonitors so that I don't have to teach everyone how to do an snmpset from the command line. -Kevin On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Need Advise Where to find: 12V output 120V input IP/SNMP control Outdoor Style (NEMA) Anyone make such a beast. I hate the idea of having to use a AC UPS to convert its battery back to AC just to switch it back to DC at the POE. What a waste of electricity and it lowers Tower uptime in a power outage. I know you could just use a charging unit connected to deep cycle batteries but what happens when the power goes out and you had no idea and the battery get down to 8v. Surly there is someone out there with one that's $1k. Shouldn't be more than a couple hundred bucks. Steve RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA Begins Fiber Listserv
The WISPA Board of Directors has decided to start a member's only listserv called fi...@wispa.org. If you are a current member of WISPA, you can subscribe to this listserv at http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fiber. Our hope is to further educate ourselves through the contribuition of trials and tribulations from those who have worked with fiber technologies. We recognize that while Wireless is often the bread and butter of our members, the need to adopt the use of fiber for middle mile and last mile solutions will be beneficial to our members and thus will be beneficial to our association's future. We hope you enjoy. I have added about 26 members to this list that have previously requested it. If you are not currently a member of WISPA, you can sign up by going to http://signup.wispa.org. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS RFP
http://tyconpower.com/products/systems.htm - Might be what you are looking for. Scott e-zy.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UPS RFP Need Advise Where to find: 12V output 120V input IP/SNMP control Outdoor Style (NEMA) Anyone make such a beast. I hate the idea of having to use a AC UPS to convert its battery back to AC just to switch it back to DC at the POE. What a waste of electricity and it lowers Tower uptime in a power outage. I know you could just use a charging unit connected to deep cycle batteries but what happens when the power goes out and you had no idea and the battery get down to 8v. Surly there is someone out there with one that's $1k. Shouldn't be more than a couple hundred bucks. Steve RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
Mike, Who are you working with for the build out quotes? We got quotes around 13,000 per mile. Was this the hang it or bury it? John Buwa Michiana Wireless - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08:43 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx It's about $10k/mile to build aerial 60 - 96 strand aerial cable. It's about $1600/home to do a 400 or so home FTTx deployment. Singlemode is what you'll want to use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx What kind of cost are we looking at to get into fiber? What is the cost of fiber now by the foot...I know this will vary by type and strands...so say multimode, around 100 strands. I do not know much about fiber, so sorry if these are stupid questions. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:21 -0700 H. thanks for the heads up. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as it turns out. It's a WISPA members list. Chuck Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non- PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] FTTx
Hang. It should actually cost less than $10k, but $10k is a safe bet. I figured it'd cost me $7k to do it myself. I forget where I saw $10k. I'm budgeting $20k for my BTOP project to cover instances where you may have to bore at up to $200k/mile. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx Mike, Who are you working with for the build out quotes? We got quotes around 13,000 per mile. Was this the hang it or bury it? John Buwa Michiana Wireless - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08:43 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx It's about $10k/mile to build aerial 60 - 96 strand aerial cable. It's about $1600/home to do a 400 or so home FTTx deployment. Singlemode is what you'll want to use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx What kind of cost are we looking at to get into fiber? What is the cost of fiber now by the foot...I know this will vary by type and strands...so say multimode, around 100 strands. I do not know much about fiber, so sorry if these are stupid questions. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:21 -0700 H. thanks for the heads up. Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: I'm also interested in this information. WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but fiber does as well. Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers? Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as it turns out. It's a WISPA members list. Chuck Mike Hammett wrote: okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked. Last I knew they had peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP. Now it's peak is 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB. I'll open it up to PONs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FTTx Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments? I'm looking for a non- PON solution. Small scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
