Re: [WISPA] Fatality today

[RickG]

Actual link is 
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Breaking%20News
Be safe and careful out there guys! -RickG

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> Justin Stamps, 26 years old, from Wagoner OK
> is the person who lost his life today in Rover MO.
>
> Audio of the 911 dispatch and response will be available
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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

[jree...@18-30chat.net]

Depends on what you want to do with the cable, condition of the cable, etc. I
did some tests with coaxial ethernet and were very impressed. Now only I could
have got the local plants that went down for some larger scale testing.

sa...@michianawireless.com wrote:
> Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric 
> company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there 
> is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very 
> interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went 
> belly up and left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will 
> allow us to take over the pole attachments eagerly.
> 
> Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable 
> they have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I 
> dont think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing 
> cable in the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage 
> what they got in place and tie it back to our stuff?
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
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> From: "Blake Bowers" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
> 
> Same sort of situation we ran into.  The selling company only owned them a
> fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their
> attachment fees from the company before.
> 
> Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with 
> others.
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
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> 
>> The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving 
>> areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading 
>> the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only 
>> been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles 
>> etc...
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[eje]

Once again the host board does not need to be more the part B certified which 
is a self certified process (documentation is on routerboard.com). 
TVS-R52 is certified with routerboard and a slew high gain antennas. 

Every time I hear this argument about system certified as complete system I 
just want to scream. Just turn your own laptop over take the FCC id of the 
radio card in your laptop and go look it up and you will see it is almost 
guaranteed NOT certified with the same model it is now sitting in. Proof enough 
for you that you do not need this supposed complete system certification or 
maybe it's time to turn in HP, Dell, gateway, Appel et al for selling non 
certified solutions by the millions each year. This could be billions for FCC 
in fines if it was the case but it is not so they created the part B 
certification process years back to allow for rapid growth in the computer 
industry. 
Only the tranciever and the antenna components need certified together. 

The FCC cert lab we used also said the same and basically would do the testing 
of the cards we personally certified with high gain antennas with each system 
board we wanted to use because it wasn't needed. Also they only required us to 
certify with the highest gain of each family we wanted certified and each 
antenna of same performance and characteristics of same or lower gain in the 
same family would be covered if "we" the certification owners said it was 
equal. So we could if we wanted sell a 9dB omni as a certified antenna if we 
had passed with a 12dB it would be. Also if we wanted to change from one brand 
12dB omni the WE who own the certification could do this substitute but all 
others that was users could ONLY use the omni models WE would "permit" as 
certified. So there is no end user substitute but the certification "owner" can 
as long that the antenna selected is NOT of a higher gain and we can "prove" 
that it's a equal antenna. So certified with a plain 12dB omni we 
 couldn't change to a active 12dB omni similarity or certify a 19dB panel and 
substitute for a 19dB grid dish. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: "ralph" 

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:00:20 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices


Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)"  
Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are,
that does not an FCC certified system make.
Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something
like the RB/card/enclosure combination.
Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for
*that system*.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

MT is FCC Certified :) 

---
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Marlon-
You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

Airaya and others: FCC Certified
Mikrotik- Not so much
It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
work
fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
others

are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
most

reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in

over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the

outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the

same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too

cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Chuck Hogg]

Go to:

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

Put in Mikrotik for the applicant name.

You will see their modular approval listed for their various products.
R52, R52-350 (R52H),R2N, R52N, RB/411AR, R5H, etc.

To get more into detail about the antennas, you will need to look at all
the exhibits listed to find the different antenna models.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their
systems FCC tested with various different antennas.  I for one know that
we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB
antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC
certification labs.

I don't have the certification numbers etc, but we were provided with
the FCC Cert stickers for those antenna combinations.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:00 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)"  
Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they
are,
that does not an FCC certified system make.
Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems.
Something
like the RB/card/enclosure combination.
Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for
*that system*.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

MT is FCC Certified :) 

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Marlon-
You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

Airaya and others: FCC Certified
Mikrotik- Not so much
It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
work
fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
others

are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
most

reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in

over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the

outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the

same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too

cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Travis Johnson]

Which would mean that "MT is FCC certified". The box would be running 
MT, regardless of the card, box, antenna, etc.

Travis
Microserv

ralph wrote:
> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)"  
> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are,
> that does not an FCC certified system make.
> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something
> like the RB/card/enclosure combination.
> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for
> *that system*.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of ralph
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Marlon-
> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>
> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
> Mikrotik- Not so much
> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>
>
> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
> work
> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>
> Ralph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
> others
>
> are using.
>
> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
> most
>
> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>
> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in
>
> over the last year or so.
>
> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the
>
> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>
> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the
>
> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too
>
> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
> all I 
> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>
> Why would you install what you put in?
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Chuck Hogg]

As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their
systems FCC tested with various different antennas.  I for one know that
we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB
antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC
certification labs.

I don't have the certification numbers etc, but we were provided with
the FCC Cert stickers for those antenna combinations.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:00 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)"  
Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they
are,
that does not an FCC certified system make.
Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems.
Something
like the RB/card/enclosure combination.
Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for
*that system*.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

MT is FCC Certified :) 

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Marlon-
You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

Airaya and others: FCC Certified
Mikrotik- Not so much
It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
work
fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
others

are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
most

reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in

over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the

outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the

same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too

cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[ralph]

Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)"  
Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are,
that does not an FCC certified system make.
Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something
like the RB/card/enclosure combination.
Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number for
*that system*.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

MT is FCC Certified :) 

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Marlon-
You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

Airaya and others: FCC Certified
Mikrotik- Not so much
It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
work
fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
others

are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
most

reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in

over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the

outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the

same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too

cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Chuck Hogg]

Not to double email, I thought I would also say that the 40Mbps SNaplink
is $6995 MSRP.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

To be fair, in backhaul list

We should include.

Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000
Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR)

As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per
link. 
I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k
per 
side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a
while, so 
maybe pricing has changed.  If someone bought it for the Wiki listed
price 
per link, please tell me where.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices


> There is DFS2 information in there.  You would need to verify that the
N
> card is certified in the 5.4 band.  Don't know on that.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM
> To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> That's what I thought.  Anyone know anything different?
>
> Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail.
>
>
>
> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it
> does meet the FCC requirements.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Randy Cosby 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>>
>> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS /
> TPC,
>> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>
>>> We have done plenty of them.  :)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I
>>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>>
>>>
 MT is FCC Certified :)

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of "Learn RouterOS"


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


>>> On
>>>
>>>
 Behalf Of ralph
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Marlon-
 You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

 Airaya and others: FCC Certified
 Mikrotik- Not so much
 It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


 If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems
to
 work
 fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

 Ralph

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


>>> On
>>>
>>>
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Hi All,

 I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering
> what
 others

 are using.

 I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of


>>> the
>>>
>>>
 most

 reliable gear that I've ever used.

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Chuck Hogg]

Snaplink is roughly $8795 MSRP per link, 160Mbps half duplex, 24GHz.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

To be fair, in backhaul list

We should include.

Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000
Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR)

As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per
link. 
I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k
per 
side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a
while, so 
maybe pricing has changed.  If someone bought it for the Wiki listed
price 
per link, please tell me where.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices


> There is DFS2 information in there.  You would need to verify that the
N
> card is certified in the 5.4 band.  Don't know on that.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM
> To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> That's what I thought.  Anyone know anything different?
>
> Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail.
>
>
>
> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it
> does meet the FCC requirements.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Randy Cosby 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>>
>> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS /
> TPC,
>> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>
>>> We have done plenty of them.  :)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I
>>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>>
>>>
 MT is FCC Certified :)

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of "Learn RouterOS"


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


>>> On
>>>
>>>
 Behalf Of ralph
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Marlon-
 You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

 Airaya and others: FCC Certified
 Mikrotik- Not so much
 It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


 If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems
to
 work
 fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

 Ralph

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


>>> On
>>>
>>>
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Hi All,

 I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering
> what
 others

 are using.

 I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of


>>> the
>>>
>>>
 most

 reliable gear that I've ever used.

 I also like my

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Tom DeReggi]

To be fair, in backhaul list

We should include.

Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000
Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR)

As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. 
I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the $6k per 
side was for the 40mbps model, not the 160. Although it has been a while, so 
maybe pricing has changed.  If someone bought it for the Wiki listed price 
per link, please tell me where.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices


> There is DFS2 information in there.  You would need to verify that the N
> card is certified in the 5.4 band.  Don't know on that.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM
> To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> That's what I thought.  Anyone know anything different?
>
> Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail.
>
>
>
> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it
> does meet the FCC requirements.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Randy Cosby 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>>
>> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS /
> TPC,
>> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>
>>> We have done plenty of them.  :)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I
>>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>>
>>>
 MT is FCC Certified :)

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of "Learn RouterOS"


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


>>> On
>>>
>>>
 Behalf Of ralph
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Marlon-
 You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

 Airaya and others: FCC Certified
 Mikrotik- Not so much
 It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


 If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
 work
 fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

 Ralph

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


>>> On
>>>
>>>
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

 Hi All,

 I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering
> what
 others

 are using.

 I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of


>>> the
>>>
>>>
 most

 reliable gear that I've ever used.

 I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of
> it


>>> in
>>>
>>>
 over the last year or so.

 Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to


>>> the
>>>
>>>
 outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

 It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do


>>> the
>>>
>>>

[WISPA] Fatality today

[Blake Bowers]

Justin Stamps, 26 years old, from Wagoner OK
is the person who lost his life today in Rover MO.

Audio of the 911 dispatch and response will be available
at www.wirelessestimator.com later this evening.

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[Marco Coelho]

Anyone remember Longhorn Towers from Austin Texas.  Back in 1986, they erected a
tower we just purchased.  I can't seem to find any mention of them anywhere.

Marco

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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Dennis Burgess]

There is DFS2 information in there.  You would need to verify that the N
card is certified in the 5.4 band.  Don't know on that. 

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:38 AM
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

That's what I thought.  Anyone know anything different?

Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail.



e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it
does meet the FCC requirements. 
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Cosby 
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
>
> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS /
TPC, 
> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>
> Randy
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of ralph
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Marlon-
>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>>
>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>>> work
>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering
what
>>> others
>>>
>>> are using.
>>>
>>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> most
>>>
>>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>>
>>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of
it
>>> 
>>>   
>> in
>>   
>> 
>>> over the last year or so.
>>>
>>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>>> 
>>>   
>> too
>>   
>> 
>>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>>> 
>>>   
>> guys 
>>   
>> 
>>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in
place,
>>> all I 
>>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>>
>>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>>

>>   
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

[Patrick Leary]

The D standard does not include support for diversity, though nothing
technically prevents a company from making a D product that could
(except money!). Our position is just that is adds major CAPEX to the
build-out beyond the justification for most WISPs. Plus, there are
elements of E that WISPs would be better off without, especially the
built in techniques that increase latency and lower net capacity. In an
E deployment, you are literally paying for features that can work to
your detriment in our view.

I am very familiar with the theory the E users may someday benefit from
lower cost due to economies of scale. To that, I would politely say,
"What economies of scale?" LTE has won and a number of major telecom
vendors have already dropped E development entirely. And anyway, the
economies of scale, if any, are going to benefit 2.5 GHz users who have
hopes of obtaining USB dongles, cards and maybe even laptops with built
in WiMAX clients. Yay for them!...but that's not going to do a hill of
beans for 3.65 GHz users. Those users still require outdoor CPE where
much of the cost is embedded in the power amplification, just as happens
in a 2.5 GHz outdoor CPE.

You'll never see any cost benefits on the base station side of E from
any possible economies of scale -- there you can still expect to pay
maybe 2:1 or more for the same capacity as a D-based system. Which of
you are up for that? No many as far as I can see...not unless Uncle Sam
dumps big dollars into your lap.
 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

Patrick,

Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses
inline...

> The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high 
> cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that 
> diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support
self-install.

Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity?
Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include
implementation of it?

Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity.

My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre-Wimax
Aperto supported all types of Diversity.
Please clarify.

I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity
at the AP.
Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results
than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider
spectrum availabilty and congestion.
Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited
spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity
diversity.
Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without
any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per
antenna.
Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed
signficant improvements in range.
This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels.

> Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz 
> doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service 
> (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D 
> is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for 
> public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric 
> users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the 
> CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest
expectations.

I'd agree. And I'd agree "D" is most appropriate for most WISPs.

I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs?
People want to pick the technology with the longest life span.
Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued
sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E.
Just like is happening right now.
I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is
acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential
and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors.
So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their
supprot for D.

The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have
chosen D for price reasons.
But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that
E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it.
If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of
economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets.

So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their
products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market
share because its price advantage.
However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and
influence the discontinuation of D.
Thus important to support the continued development of D.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Josh Luthman]

Looks like we were going with MSRP, not street prices.

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Patrick Shoemaker <
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com> wrote:

> Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave
> backhaul wiki?
>
> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
>
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> > I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "3-dB Networks" 
> >
> > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
> >
> >
> > I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for
> > unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart
> (although
> > they are more expensive)
> >
> > For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave...
> >
> > Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of
> > advantages to going towards something else
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
> >> others
> >> are using.
> >>
> >> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
> >> most
> >> reliable gear that I've ever used.
> >>
> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in
> >> over the last year or so.
> >>
> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the
> >> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
> >>
> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the
> >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too
> >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys
> >> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
> >> all I
> >> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
> >>
> >> Why would you install what you put in?
> >>
> >> laters,
> >> marlon
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

[Patrick Leary]

Very true statement re "quite a lot of new concepts to learn, but once
you get the general idea it's not a problem." We have certainly found
that to be the case with WISPs moving from older solutions and Wi-Fi
based products. There is a learning curve with WiMAX that some I think
are uncomfortable with and that can be a deterent for them trying it.
I've not met any though who were not able to get past the curve. I've
not met any who would go back either. I only wish there were
802.16-based products across the full range of bands, especially 900. We
do cover the 5 GHz bands and 3.65 GHz, but I get how some really need
the 900. I do think that even in those cases, using WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is
a great way to feed 900 MHz cells.


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Aperto Networks
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:50 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

I use axxcelera 3650 gear without diversity. Obviously there are certain
limitations but I have customers with cpe units that are completely non
line of sight (over a building and through trees) at 2 miles that
reliably do 10 Meg symetrical links. Once you get a good cinr number you
are done. There are quite a lot of new concepts to learn but once you
get the general idea it's not a problem.

We are in a very high noise area so this is a nice solution.

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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave 
backhaul wiki?

http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart


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lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "3-dB Networks" 
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
> 
> 
> I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for
> unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although
> they are more expensive)
> 
> For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave...
> 
> Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of
> advantages to going towards something else
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>> others
>> are using.
>>
>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
>> most
>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>
>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in
>> over the last year or so.
>>
>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the
>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>
>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the
>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too
>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys
>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>> all I
>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>
>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[lakeland]

I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "3-dB Networks" 

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices


I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for
unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although
they are more expensive)

For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave...

Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of
advantages to going towards something else

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>others
>are using.
>
>I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
>most
>reliable gear that I've ever used.
>
>I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in
>over the last year or so.
>
>Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the
>outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>
>It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the
>same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too
>cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys
>using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>all I
>need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>
>Why would you install what you put in?
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
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[WISPA] Fwd: Which WiMAX Are You?

[Jeremie Chism]

>

> 7mhz channel. Depending on the setting and service level I want to  
> give. I have 40ms coming from my upstream and my customers is  
> getting around 65ms give or take.  0 lost packets. I have bandwith  
> shaping enabled and Q-RED. Adaptive modulation with most values  
> staying at QAM 64 3/4. This modulation is available at-78.
>
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[3-dB Networks]

And I should point out... the Radwin Radios are quad band out of the box
(2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz)

Daniel White
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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:08 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
>I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for
>unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart
>(although
>they are more expensive)
>
>For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave...
>
>Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot
>of
>advantages to going towards something else
>
>Daniel White
>3-dB Networks
>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>>others
>>are using.
>>
>>I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
>>most
>>reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>
>>I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>in
>>over the last year or so.
>>
>>Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>the
>>outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>
>>It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>the
>>same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>too
>>cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys
>>using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>>all I
>>need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>
>>Why would you install what you put in?
>>
>>laters,
>>marlon
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

[sales]

Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric 
company and he had no idea that they ceased opporations. He is not aware there 
is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested 
in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and 
left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take 
over the pole attachments eagerly.

Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they 
have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont 
think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in 
the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they 
got in place and tie it back to our stuff?

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: jree...@18-30chat.net
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they
ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the
amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles.

Blake Bowers wrote:
> We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and
> almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost
> total disarray when sold.
> 
> It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found
> being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of
> years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from
> whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous.  You
> may have better luck.
> 
> http://www.windjammercable.com
> 
> 
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
> 
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
> 
> 
>> During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric 
>> company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting 
>> to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased 
>> providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of 
>> the digital transition.
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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

[sales]

Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric 
company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there 
is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested 
in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and 
left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take 
over the pole attachments eagerly.

Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they 
have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont 
think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in 
the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they 
got in place and tie it back to our stuff?

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: "Blake Bowers" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

Same sort of situation we ran into.  The selling company only owned them a
fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their
attachment fees from the company before.

Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with 
others.


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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications


> The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving 
> areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading 
> the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only 
> been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles 
> etc...
>




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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[3-dB Networks]

I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for
unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although
they are more expensive)

For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave...

Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of
advantages to going towards something else

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3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>others
>are using.
>
>I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
>most
>reliable gear that I've ever used.
>
>I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in
>over the last year or so.
>
>Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the
>outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>
>It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the
>same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too
>cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys
>using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>all I
>need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>
>Why would you install what you put in?
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Dennis Burgess]

A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a
FCC certified System,.. 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, 
or just based on the existing certification of the card?

Randy


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of ralph
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Marlon-
>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>
>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>
>>
>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>> work
>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>> others
>>
>> are using.
>>
>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>> 
> the
>   
>> most
>>
>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>
>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>> 
> in
>   
>> over the last year or so.
>>
>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>> 
> the
>   
>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>
>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>> 
> the
>   
>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>> 
> too
>   
>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>> 
> guys 
>   
>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>> all I 
>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>
>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>

>   
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Cameron Kilton]

Does this mean we can use 5.4Ghz with MT? 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a
FCC certified System,.. 

---
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, 
or just based on the existing certification of the card?

Randy


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of ralph
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Marlon-
>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>
>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>
>>
>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>> work
>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>> others
>>
>> are using.
>>
>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>> 
> the
>   
>> most
>>
>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>
>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>> 
> in
>   
>> over the last year or so.
>>
>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>> 
> the
>   
>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>
>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>> 
> the
>   
>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>> 
> too
>   
>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>> 
> guys 
>   
>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>> all I 
>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>
>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>

>   
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Randy Cosby]

Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, 
or just based on the existing certification of the card?

Randy


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of ralph
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Marlon-
>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>
>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>
>>
>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>> work
>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>> others
>>
>> are using.
>>
>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>> 
> the
>   
>> most
>>
>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>
>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>> 
> in
>   
>> over the last year or so.
>>
>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>> 
> the
>   
>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>
>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>> 
> the
>   
>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>> 
> too
>   
>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>> 
> guys 
>   
>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>> all I 
>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>
>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
> 
>   
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Randy Cosby]

Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of ralph
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Marlon-
> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>
> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
> Mikrotik- Not so much
> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>
>
> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
> work
> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>
> Ralph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
> others
>
> are using.
>
> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
> most
>
> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>
> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in
>
> over the last year or so.
>
> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the
>
> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>
> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the
>
> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too
>
> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
> all I 
> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>
> Why would you install what you put in?
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>
>
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Dennis Burgess]

We have done plenty of them.  :)  

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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of ralph
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Marlon-
> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>
> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
> Mikrotik- Not so much
> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>
>
> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
> work
> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>
> Ralph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
> others
>
> are using.
>
> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
the
> most
>
> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>
> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
in
>
> over the last year or so.
>
> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
the
>
> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>
> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
the
>
> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
too
>
> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
guys 
> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
> all I 
> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>
> Why would you install what you put in?
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>
>
>

> 
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[WISPA] 802.11n standard finally approved

[Randy Cosby]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10351215-94.html

Excerpt:

9/11/09

As predicted last month 
, the IEEE has 
finally approved the 802.11n high-throughput wireless LAN standard.

Finalization of the new wireless networking standard--which is capable 
of delivering throughput speeds up to 300 megabits per second (and even 
higher)--took exactly seven years from the day it was conceived, or six 
years from the first draft version. The standard has been through a 
dozen or so draft versions.

News of the ratification broke via a blog post 
 
displaying an e-mail sent by Bruce Kraemer, longtime chairman of the 
802.11n Task Group, to task group members. There has been no public 
announcement yet. *Update 5:49 p.m. PDT*: A press release has been 
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Dennis Burgess]

MT is FCC Certified :) 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Marlon-
You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

Airaya and others: FCC Certified
Mikrotik- Not so much
It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
work
fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
others

are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the
most

reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in

over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the

outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the

same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too

cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[ralph]

Marlon-
You asked, and you probably already know what I will say

Airaya and others: FCC Certified
Mikrotik- Not so much
It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.


If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work
fine for us, just don't mount it outside.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others

are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the most

reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in 
over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the 
outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the 
same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too 
cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Al Stewart]

I get time out problems. Firefox says the site was taking too long to respond.
Al

-- At 08:03 AM 09/14/2009 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: ---

>That link popped right open for me.  I'm also outside of that network.
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Josh Luthman" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>
>
> > This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you
> > have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it):
> > http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
> >
> >> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> > tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> > ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> > not the number of "threads" running through it.
> >
> > Do you mean PPS?  Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing.
> >
> > Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees.  And Microsoft =P
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
> >>
> >> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the
> >> home
> >> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
> >> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
> >>
> >> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> >> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> >> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> >> not the number of "threads" running through it.
> >>
> >> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5
> >> or
> >> 6
> >> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just
> >> work
> >> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
> >>
> >> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users
> >> likely
> >> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high
> >> costs
> >> for bandwidth make that matter.
> >>
> >> laters,
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Robert West" 
> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you
> >> > using
> >> > for
> >> > customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems
> >> > at
> >> > the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
> >> > capacity.
> >> > Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on
> >> > it
> >> > and
> >> > if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
> >> "jerky"
> >> > on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD ratio
> >> > that
> >> > you use that is smooth?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Robert West
> >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Matt]

> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
>
> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home
> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>
> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>
> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6
> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work
> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
>
> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users likely
> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high costs
> for bandwidth make that matter.
>
> laters,
> marlon

What happens when they ban download caps?

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/

Matt



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Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

[Mike Hammett]

I think that's all we have to go on, is the web site.


-
Mike Hammett
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--
From: "Rubens Kuhl" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:16 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

> What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple
> antennas ? The website tells the "up to" number...
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>> The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think
>> Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all 
>> of
>> their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else
>> catching up for awhile).
>>
>> Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire...
>>
>> Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they
>> haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with
>> them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it)
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
>>>
>>>I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave
>>>just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput
>>>without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4
>>>GB/s per link.
>>>
>>>
>>>-
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Mike Hammett]

Didn't work for me either.


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--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

> This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you
> have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it):
> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>
>> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>
> Do you mean PPS?  Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing.
>
> Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees.  And Microsoft =P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
>> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
>>
>> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the 
>> home
>> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
>> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>>
>> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
>> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
>> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
>> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>>
>> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 
>> or
>> 6
>> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just 
>> work
>> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
>>
>> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users 
>> likely
>> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high
>> costs
>> for bandwidth make that matter.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Robert West" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>>
>>
>> > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you 
>> > using
>> > for
>> > customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems 
>> > at
>> > the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
>> > capacity.
>> > Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on 
>> > it
>> > and
>> > if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
>> "jerky"
>> > on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD ratio
>> > that
>> > you use that is smooth?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Robert West
>> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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[WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

[Mike Hammett]

I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just 
announced their Quantum product.  It claims to boost throughput without using 
any more spectrum.  2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link.


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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

[Bob Elliott - RCS]

Jason,
You don't happen to have a parts list left laying around do you?

Bob Elliott
Information Systems
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502.587.7384


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

The fixed cameras were about $30/ea.  The composite to IP box was about $50.
The alarm system was about $200 when we put it in 5 years ago.
Yeah, the PTZ was about $2000 for a good one, great zoom, enclosure w/ fan
and heat.  But the news uses it as a weathercam, so we got them to foot the
bill - and we provide the IP.

Jayson

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> Wow too rich for my blood.   That has to cost a few grand right there!
>
> On 9/4/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> > Absolutely.  PTZ on the top, 2 fixed on the bottom pointing at parking
> > area/fence gate.  Motion sensor outdoors inside the fence area.  Contact
> > sensor on the door.
> > Always a good idea.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Josh Luthman
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Do you do those things?
> >>
> >> On 9/4/09, Tom Sharples  wrote:
> >> > And the site owners didn't install alarms and video surveillance
> >> equipment
> >> > because...
> >> >
> >> > Tom S.
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: "jp" 
> >> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> http://www.elfpressoffice.org/
> >> >>
> >> >> Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete
> crack
> >> >> head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE OF THE
> TOWER!
> >> >> Where else (on the ground) would be a worse place to be with a tower
> >> >> coming down? I'd want to be out of the fall radius.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 01:44:25PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >> >>> fyi
> >> >>>
> >> >>> watch those towers!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And don't forget to take the keys from any equipment left on site.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> marlon
> >> >>>
> >> >>> - Original Message -
> >> >>> From: 
> >> >>> To: 
> >> >>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:00 PM
> >> >>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > This link details recent vandalism against commercial antenna
> towers
> >> in
> >> >>> > Washington State
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,546561,00.html
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > 73, Scott W3TX
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
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Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

[Brad Belton]

Agreed...need more information before anyone should get too excited.

Tell us the basics like what payload capacity will a single Quantum radio
pair produce with:

(1)  30MHz wide channel
(2)  40MHz wide channel
(3)  80MHz wide channel


Best,

Brad




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple
antennas ? The website tells the "up to" number...


Rubens


On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
> The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think
> Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of
> their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else
> catching up for awhile).
>
> Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire...
>
> Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they
> haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with
> them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
>>
>>I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave
>>just announced their Quantum product.  It claims to boost throughput
>>without using any more spectrum.  2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4
>>GB/s per link.
>>
>>
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[WISPA] backhaul choices

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hi All,

I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others 
are using.

I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of the most 
reliable gear that I've ever used.

I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it in 
over the last year or so.

Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to the 
outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.

It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do the 
same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go too 
cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you guys 
using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place, all I 
need to replace is the indoor ratios.

Why would you install what you put in?

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Grin

I guess that was a decent choice of port for my purposes then!  lol

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "AJ" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio


> Port 81 blocked here locally by our corporate content filter :(
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
>> That link popped right open for me.  I'm also outside of that 
>> network.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>>
>>
>> > This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that 
>> > you
>> > have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it):
>> > http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>> >
>> >> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. 
>> >> It
>> > tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran 
>> > a
>> > ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed 
>> > but
>> > not the number of "threads" running through it.
>> >
>> > Do you mean PPS?  Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing.
>> >
>> > Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees.  And Microsoft =P
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> > improbable, must be the truth."
>> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
>> >>
>> >> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the
>> >> home
>> >> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
>> >> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>> >>
>> >> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. 
>> >> It
>> >> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran 
>> >> a
>> >> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed
>> but
>> >> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>> >>
>> >> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 
>> >> 5
>> >> or
>> >> 6
>> >> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just
>> >> work
>> >> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
>> >>
>> >> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users
>> >> likely
>> >> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high
>> >> costs
>> >> for bandwidth make that matter.
>> >>
>> >> laters,
>> >> marlon
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Robert West" 
>> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
>> >> Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you
>> >> > using
>> >> > for
>> >> > customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any 
>> >> > problems
>> >> > at
>> >> > the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
>> >> > capacity.
>> >> > Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers 
>> >> > on
>> >> > it
>> >> > and
>> >> > if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
>> >> "jerky"
>> >> > on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD
>> ratio
>> >> > that
>> >> > you use that is smooth?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert West
>> >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

[Rubens Kuhl]

What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple
antennas ? The website tells the "up to" number...


Rubens


On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
> The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think
> Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of
> their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else
> catching up for awhile).
>
> Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire...
>
> Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they
> haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with
> them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
>>
>>I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave
>>just announced their Quantum product.  It claims to boost throughput
>>without using any more spectrum.  2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4
>>GB/s per link.
>>
>>
>>-
>>Mike Hammett
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.

It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home 
(plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/

I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It 
tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a 
ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but 
not the number of "threads" running through it.

It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or 6 
years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work 
and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!

Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users likely 
use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high costs 
for bandwidth make that matter.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio


> I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using 
> for
> customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems at
> the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add 
> capacity.
> Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it 
> and
> if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really "jerky"
> on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD ratio 
> that
> you use that is smooth?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Robert West
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Josh Luthman]

 This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you
have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it):
http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/

> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
not the number of "threads" running through it.

Do you mean PPS?  Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing.

Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees.  And Microsoft =P

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
>
> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home
> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>
> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>
> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 or
> 6
> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just work
> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
>
> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users likely
> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high
> costs
> for bandwidth make that matter.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>
>
> > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using
> > for
> > customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems at
> > the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
> > capacity.
> > Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it
> > and
> > if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
> "jerky"
> > on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD ratio
> > that
> > you use that is smooth?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Robert West
> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Randy Cosby]

That's what I thought.  Anyone know anything different?

Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail.



e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
> With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does 
> meet the FCC requirements. 
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Cosby 
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
>
> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, 
> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>
> Randy
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
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>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
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>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of ralph
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Marlon-
>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>>
>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>>> work
>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>>> others
>>>
>>> are using.
>>>
>>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> most
>>>
>>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>>
>>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>>> 
>>>   
>> in
>>   
>> 
>>> over the last year or so.
>>>
>>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>>> 
>>>   
>> too
>>   
>> 
>>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>>> 
>>>   
>> guys 
>>   
>> 
>>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>>> all I 
>>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>>
>>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

[Chuck Bartosch]

There's no way to know that until they do it since the link doesn't  
exist yet-and even if they told us it will be at "such-and-such link",  
you're about even odds for them actually putting it at the link they  
tell you. But, it will no doubt be on the NTIA web site at the least,  
just as the abstracts were. I'm sure you'll see it posted here in an  
email the instant it becomes available though.

Chuck

On Sep 14, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area?  I too am
> interested in seeing some of the content of the applications.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: St. Louis Broadband
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List'
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
>>
>> They will show most of it when they post the Executive  
>> Summaries...maybe,
> at
>> least ours does,
>>
>> Victoria
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of jp
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
>>
>> I'd like to see the actual content of the applications
>>
>> Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd  
>> like to
>> know more about.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote:
>>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660]
>>> Redline Communications Inc.
>>> Kevin Suitor
>>> Vice President, Corporate Marketing
>>> 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA
>>> o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252
>>> Skype:   ksuitor
>>> e-mail:
>> ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >
>>> Web:
>> www.redlinecommunications.com
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[Marlon K. Schafer]

That link popped right open for me.  I'm also outside of that network.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio


> This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you
> have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it):
> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>
>> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>
> Do you mean PPS?  Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing.
>
> Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees.  And Microsoft =P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
>> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
>>
>> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the 
>> home
>> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
>> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
>>
>> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
>> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
>> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
>> not the number of "threads" running through it.
>>
>> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5 
>> or
>> 6
>> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just 
>> work
>> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
>>
>> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users 
>> likely
>> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high
>> costs
>> for bandwidth make that matter.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Robert West" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>>
>>
>> > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you 
>> > using
>> > for
>> > customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems 
>> > at
>> > the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
>> > capacity.
>> > Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on 
>> > it
>> > and
>> > if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
>> "jerky"
>> > on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD ratio
>> > that
>> > you use that is smooth?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Robert West
>> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

[AJ]

Port 81 blocked here locally by our corporate content filter :(

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> That link popped right open for me.  I'm also outside of that network.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
>  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
>
>
> > This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you
> > have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it):
> > http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
> >
> >> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> > tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> > ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed but
> > not the number of "threads" running through it.
> >
> > Do you mean PPS?  Threads are built on processes, a CPU thing.
> >
> > Being in Washington I'm sure you love trees.  And Microsoft =P
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We test with speakeasy.net most of the time.
> >>
> >> It can be "jerky" too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the
> >> home
> >> (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage:
> >> http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/
> >>
> >> I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently.  It
> >> tested plenty fast but pings would jump to 2000 to 3000ms when you ran a
> >> ping test.  My *theory* is that the link was able to handle the speed
> but
> >> not the number of "threads" running through it.
> >>
> >> It was some Airaya gear that had been in place for the better part of 5
> >> or
> >> 6
> >> years.  I sure wish more of my gear would sit there that long and just
> >> work
> >> and work and work!  I think I only did one firmware upgrade too!
> >>
> >> Don't forget that we also charge per bit.  Not per speed.  Our users
> >> likely
> >> use less bandwidth than the average one does.  Out here, with our high
> >> costs
> >> for bandwidth make that matter.
> >>
> >> laters,
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Robert West" 
> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:03 AM
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you
> >> > using
> >> > for
> >> > customer vs. available bandwidth?  We aren't experiencing any problems
> >> > at
> >> > the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add
> >> > capacity.
> >> > Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on
> >> > it
> >> > and
> >> > if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really
> >> "jerky"
> >> > on the download and uploads.  So..  What is a good REAL WORLD
> ratio
> >> > that
> >> > you use that is smooth?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Robert West
> >> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

[3-dB Networks]

The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think
Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of
their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else
catching up for awhile).

Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire...

Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they
haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with
them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
>
>I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave
>just announced their Quantum product.  It claims to boost throughput
>without using any more spectrum.  2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4
>GB/s per link.
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

[Tim Sylvester]

The executive summaries with confidential information removed are due today
at 5pm. My guess is they will be posted to www.broadbandusa.gov within a
week. The instructions want people to printout the executive summary,
blackout the confidential information, scan it into a PDF and send it back.
This will make it difficult to search the summaries. Does anyone know of
software that can do OCR on bunch of PDF files in batch mode?

Also, applicants are not required to submit an executive summary and many
will probably not submit an exec summary because they are lazy, did see the
message or don't want people to know more about their project.

Tim

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:42 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
> 
> There's no way to know that until they do it since the link doesn't
> exist yet-and even if they told us it will be at "such-and-such link",
> you're about even odds for them actually putting it at the link they
> tell you. But, it will no doubt be on the NTIA web site at the least,
> just as the abstracts were. I'm sure you'll see it posted here in an
> email the instant it becomes available though.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Robert West wrote:
> 
> > Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area?  I too am
> > interested in seeing some of the content of the applications.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: St. Louis Broadband
> >> To: 'WISPA General List'
> >> Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List'
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
> >>
> >> They will show most of it when they post the Executive
> >> Summaries...maybe,
> > at
> >> least ours does,
> >>
> >> Victoria
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> >> boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of jp
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
> >>
> >> I'd like to see the actual content of the applications
> >>
> >> Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd
> >> like to
> >> know more about.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote:
> >>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660]
> >>> Redline Communications Inc.
> >>> Kevin Suitor
> >>> Vice President, Corporate Marketing
> >>> 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA
> >>> o: +1 905.948.2299 f: +1 647.723.0451 m: +1 416.508.1252
> >>> Skype:   ksuitor
> >>> e-mail:
> >>
> ksui...@redlinecommunications.com com
> >> >
> >>> Web:
> >> www.redlinecommunications.com
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[eje]

With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet 
the FCC requirements. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Randy Cosby 

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices


Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, 
or just based on the existing certification of the card?

Randy


Dennis Burgess wrote:
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of ralph
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Marlon-
>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>
>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>
>>
>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>> work
>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>> others
>>
>> are using.
>>
>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>> 
> the
>   
>> most
>>
>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>
>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>> 
> in
>   
>> over the last year or so.
>>
>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>> 
> the
>   
>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>
>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>> 
> the
>   
>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>> 
> too
>   
>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>> 
> guys 
>   
>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>> all I 
>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>
>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Dennis Burgess]

http://store.jeffcosoho.com, I don't know if the 5.4 is on there.  

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems?

Randy


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell
a
> FCC certified System,.. 
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS /
TPC, 
> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>
> Randy
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of ralph
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Marlon-
>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>>
>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>>> work
>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering
what
>>> others
>>>
>>> are using.
>>>
>>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> most
>>>
>>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>>
>>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of
it
>>> 
>>>   
>> in
>>   
>> 
>>> over the last year or so.
>>>
>>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>>> 
>>>   
>> too
>>   
>> 
>>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>>> 
>>>   
>> guys 
>>   
>> 
>>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in
place,
>>> all I 
>>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>>
>>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>
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Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

[Travis Johnson]

And yet, still no RSSI display on the radio itself :(

Travis
Microserv

3-dB Networks wrote:

  The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think
Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of
their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else
catching up for awhile).

Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire...

Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they
haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with
them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave
just announced their Quantum product.  It claims to boost throughput
without using any more spectrum.  2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4
GB/s per link.


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Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

[Randy Cosby]

Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems?

Randy


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a
> FCC certified System,.. 
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> WISPA Vendor Member
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>
> Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, 
> or just based on the existing certification of the card?
>
> Randy
>
>
> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>   
>> We have done plenty of them.  :)  
>>
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>
>> Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution?  I 
>> noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4.
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> MT is FCC Certified :) 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of ralph
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Marlon-
>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say
>>>
>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified
>>> Mikrotik- Not so much
>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to
>>> work
>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> 
>>>   
>> On
>>   
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what
>>> others
>>>
>>> are using.
>>>
>>> I've got Airaya gear in place.  I've LOVED it.  That's been some of
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> most
>>>
>>> reliable gear that I've ever used.
>>>
>>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far.  We've put quite a bit of it
>>> 
>>>   
>> in
>>   
>> 
>>> over the last year or so.
>>>
>>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> outdoor antennas.  So no fancy weather issues to deal with.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again.  But the MT hardware to do
>>> 
>>>   
>> the
>>   
>> 
>>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked.  I hate to go
>>> 
>>>   
>> too
>>   
>> 
>>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain.  What are you
>>> 
>>>   
>> guys 
>>   
>> 
>>> using these days?  Again, the antennas and such are already in place,
>>> all I 
>>> need to replace is the indoor ratios.
>>>
>>> Why would you install what you put in?
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

[Robert West]

Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area?  I too am
interested in seeing some of the content of the applications.



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>From: St. Louis Broadband 
>To: 'WISPA General List' 
>Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' 
>Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
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>They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe,
at
>least ours does,
>
>Victoria
>
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>Behalf Of jp
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>Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
>
>I'd like to see the actual content of the applications
>
>Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to 
>know more about.
>
>On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote:
>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660]
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[WISPA] Gartner predicts new digital divide - High-speed broadband to create communities of haves and have nots

[Kevin Suitor]

Gartner predicts new digital divide
High-speed broadband to create communities of haves and have nots

Ian Williams

V3.co.uk, 09 Sep 2009 - Growth in localised, high-speed residential broadband 
services is beginning to open a new chasm between urban and rural areas in 
terms of internet access, according to new findings from Gartner.

The analyst firm's Emerging Technology Analysis: Ultra-High-Speed Residential 
Broadband Internet, Global Consumer Services report predicts that a new digital 
divide will have emerged within three to five years between those able to 
access residential broadband speeds of 50Mbit/s or higher and those limited to 
basic access speeds.

AdvertisementThis is despite efforts such as the UK government's Digital 
Britain project, which aims to provide a basic broadband service to everyone 
who wants it.

"Ultra broadband will exacerbate the digital divide among different world 
regions, as well as within countries," said Fernando Elizalde, principal 
research analyst at Gartner.

"Governments in countries that lag behind in the deployment of ultra broadband 
will come under increasing pressure to use public funds to upgrade broadband 
infrastructure to avoid falling behind."

Elizalde explained that the need to acquire new customers and retain existing 
ones will see providers using headline speeds to help differentiate their 
services from the competition.

From a consumer perspective the growing use of high bandwidth applications such 
as downloading or live streaming of movies and television, as well as the 
distribution of user-generated content through email, social networking sites 
and video-sharing sites, will be a key driver, according to the report.

The demand for high-speed broadband is not limited to the entertainment sector, 
however. The report noted that e-government initiatives such as telemedicine 
and teaching, and business cases such as hosted services and telepresence, will 
all involve high levels of bandwidth use.

Elizalde also highlighted several barriers that may hinder adoption. From a 
financial standpoint, many people may shun super-fast connections if they are 
too expensive and fail to offer sufficient value.

The huge infrastructure investment required to roll out this level of service 
to the majority of the population, meanwhile, poses a financial and logistical 
challenge as it will often require large amounts of rewiring right up to the 
building. This is particularly daunting given the steady development of 
alternative mobile broadband technologies, such as Long Term Evolution.

"Despite these challenges, ultra broadband will happen and application 
developers should use the opportunity offered by the early adopter markets of 
Japan and South Korea to carry out live testing of new applications and 
innovations before it becomes mainstream globally," concluded Elizalde.

"Operators must position faster broadband speeds as a premium service to avoid 
commoditisation of ultra broadband, and strike a balance between their need to 
charge more for faster broadband and consumer willingness to pay for the extra 
speed."


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Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

[Joe Miller]

Looks like Acorn is trying to get in on this as well. 





From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List ; 
WISPA General List 
Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:51:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online


 
Do we have time to read all this? :)
I agree, some seem far fetched.

- Original Message - 
>From: St. Louis Broadband 
>To: 'WISPA General List' 
>Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' 
>Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Btop-bip] [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
>
>They will show most of it when they post the Executive Summaries...maybe, at
>least ours does,
>
>Victoria
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of jp
>Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:35 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
>
>I'd like to see the actual content of the applications
>
>Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to 
>know more about.
>
>On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote:
>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660]
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>> Kevin Suitor
>> Vice President, Corporate Marketing
>> 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA
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Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)

[Blair Davis]

Switching to Belden 1300A, shielded with drain wire and shielded
connectors has reduced static damage and the need to reboot/power cycle
equipment by more than 50%.

  Mike Hammett wrote:

  People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs?  Jeez...

I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected 
cable.  It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX 
AreYou?)

  
  
Those marketing photos sure look pretty though.  They might also explain 
why
I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures.  I had a bit of an
argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending 
using
indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors.  It started with
someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside
the bullet caps.  (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the
design...???)  Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor
shielded cable, not patch with the boots.  You wouldn't believe how many
negative comments came from that.  Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch
cables and bright shiny connectors.  And now there is an army 
of
installers following these lies.

We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor
shielded connector.  All connections wrapped.   It's not as pretty but I
don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble
free.  I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct
install.  They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see 
one
of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the
things that are wrong.



On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote:



  Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely
create
a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just
big
enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing
photos
of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor
unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc...
  





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Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

[Blair Davis]

And a much better mount and a recessed, rain shielded N connector!

 3-dB Networks wrote:

  The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do
get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt

Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:



  Robert,

I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I
typically recommend.

Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he
  

told me


  he saw an across the boards performance increase.  My own limited
  

testing


  in
our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere.

I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3
degrees of downtilt

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  

On


  
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the
process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population

  

density


  
and
came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts.  Has anyone had

  

any


  
experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not?
Price
doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+
antennas at
least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive,
quality Omni?

Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a

  

411AH


  
with
one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC
Wireless
grid for the backhaul.  The Omni lets me connect the site owner to

  

the


  
network, at least, and some of their neighbors.  I'll upgrade to

  

sector


  
antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there.  The

  

Omni


  
lets
me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for
the
site owner's house.  Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I

  

could


  
pay
a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good!

Thanks!

Bob-




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Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

[Blair Davis]

I LOVE my Comets!!!

Robert West wrote:

  I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the
process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and
came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts.  Has anyone had any
experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not?   Price
doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at
least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive,
quality Omni?

Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with
one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless
grid for the backhaul.  The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the
network, at least, and some of their neighbors.  I'll upgrade to sector
antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there.  The Omni lets
me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the
site owner's house.  Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay
a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good!

Thanks!

Bob-





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