Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Well, our conglomerate of dealers isn't too ad to work with, but in our area they are running right at 4 watts EIRP. I got them to agrre to turn them off after harvest. They just came in and putt htis stuff up, told the farmer it wouldn't hurt us at all. I think the biggest issue is that we are on the same structure, so our yagis ar pointed right at their antenna too. they are running vertical here, and we run horizontal, but it is still enough to take us into 1X. they claim they cannot program the hop frequencies. they also did say that JD is coming out with a new radio this spring and they have some big incentives to upgrade. the dealer didn't know what frequency it was, but he said he had to register each site with the FCC. could be whitespace i suppose, but i didn't think that anything was ready there yet, otherwise 3650 comes to mind. The machinery only needs to receive 1 of 10 transmissions, so they can deal with a lot. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West wrote: > I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it. What > type of problems have you seen with them? First one I ever have come > across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Bushard Jr > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 > > How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are > really fun too. > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > > > Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a > > 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to > > be a fun job? > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wireless Network Engineer > DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
I know this is an unpopular stance to take on this list, but what the hey--so are most of my postings. I actually would say this makes economic sense. If we think it is worthwhile to spend thousands of dollars per child per year to provide them an education (yeah, blatant socialism, I know), then a few hundred dollars a year, if that, per household for Internet is a bargain. -Clint Ricker On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > My thoughts exactly. A human right. Duh? > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > > Seriously my brain hurts that is so dumb. > > > > A human right? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > > > > > Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. > > > > > > David Hulsebus wrote: > > > > FYI > > > > > > > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access > Deemed > > > > a Legal Right > > > > > > > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > > > > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > > > > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband > Internet > > > > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > > > > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > > > > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications > Ministry > > > > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > > > > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. > Like > > > > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > > > > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to > be > > > > a human right. > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > > > > > > > > > > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Hulsebus > > > > Portative Technologies, LLC > > > > www.portative.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > > > Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" > > > Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 > > > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > > > > > > Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: > Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? > > Phil > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
I am confused: What happend to the rights granted under the FCC "OTARD" rules for a wirless antenna installed ? -- Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right Actually, from that perspective "LEGAL" right could be a good thing, and better if expanded I want to put an antenna on the roof, and its the only way to get broadband there, and the property manager says "no". I now say "YOU need to let me because its my legal right to have it". I'll legally force you to allow me, or buy me an alternative. What it really needs to read is "Americans have the LEGAL RIGHT to Broadband of CHOICE". Now that would be a good thing for competition.. Or "Americans have Legal Right to BRoadband of Choice, without excessive fees charged by third parties at a rate higher than they'd charge other broadband providers for delivering broadband." Could you imaging if Wireless PRoviders could pull Roof easements with the same power as ILECs pull ground easements? If I had a $1 for every propoerty owner that would not allow me to deploy broadband to an inquiring prospect, I'd be a millionaire. Or atleast my sales reps wouldn't always get discouraged and quit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > Yeah. A legal right. In that case, I ground my son from that damn Maple > Story he plays hours on end and he calls children's services because I > violated his legal rights... > > What other things do I have the "legal right" to that I don't have, I > wonder... > > This is that Entitlement crap again. I'm entitled to fresh water, > nutritious and healthy food, safe place to live, 100mb download speed > internet, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of babies. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies >> converge into devices that run on whatever version of the "internet" >> we will >> have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at >> this >> moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us >> will be >> able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. >> >> I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. > > Keep in mind, it's a *legal* right (soon) in Finland, not a human > right. People are conflating the French decree with Finland's. > > Chuck > >> Most information, >> other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower >> internet speeds be the difference between life or death? >> >> My 15 year old. >> >> "Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just >> gonna >> die!" >> >> Okay, that much I DO understand. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of David Hulsebus >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right >> >> FYI >> >> From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed >> a Legal Right >> >> --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right >> (October 14 & 15, 2009) >> The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet >> access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The >> country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb >> broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications >> Ministry >> spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the >> Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. >> Like >> banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet >> connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be >> a human right. >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html >> > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m >> akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx >> >> >> >> Dave Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> www.portative.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > -
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
"If I had a $1 for every propoerty owner that would not allow me to deploy broadband to an inquiring prospect, I'd be a millionaire." Wow Tom, if even remotely true this should be a glaring indicator of something very wrong with your approach. I understand that a "pinch of story additive" may help make your point when frustrated, but dilute your claim down from 1,000,000 to 10,000, 1,000 or even 100 and I still don't think we've been turned away 100 times in the ten years we've been deploying fixed wireless. Maybe comments you've made like "I'll legally force you to allow me, or buy me an alternative" are rubbing the property owner's the wrong way? I dunnojust a stab in the dark... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right Actually, from that perspective "LEGAL" right could be a good thing, and better if expanded I want to put an antenna on the roof, and its the only way to get broadband there, and the property manager says "no". I now say "YOU need to let me because its my legal right to have it". I'll legally force you to allow me, or buy me an alternative. What it really needs to read is "Americans have the LEGAL RIGHT to Broadband of CHOICE". Now that would be a good thing for competition.. Or "Americans have Legal Right to BRoadband of Choice, without excessive fees charged by third parties at a rate higher than they'd charge other broadband providers for delivering broadband." Could you imaging if Wireless PRoviders could pull Roof easements with the same power as ILECs pull ground easements? If I had a $1 for every propoerty owner that would not allow me to deploy broadband to an inquiring prospect, I'd be a millionaire. Or atleast my sales reps wouldn't always get discouraged and quit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > Yeah. A legal right. In that case, I ground my son from that damn Maple > Story he plays hours on end and he calls children's services because I > violated his legal rights... > > What other things do I have the "legal right" to that I don't have, I > wonder... > > This is that Entitlement crap again. I'm entitled to fresh water, > nutritious and healthy food, safe place to live, 100mb download speed > internet, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of babies. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies >> converge into devices that run on whatever version of the "internet" >> we will >> have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at >> this >> moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us >> will be >> able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. >> >> I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. > > Keep in mind, it's a *legal* right (soon) in Finland, not a human > right. People are conflating the French decree with Finland's. > > Chuck > >> Most information, >> other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower >> internet speeds be the difference between life or death? >> >> My 15 year old. >> >> "Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just >> gonna >> die!" >> >> Okay, that much I DO understand. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of David Hulsebus >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right >> >> FYI >> >> From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed >> a Legal Right >> >> --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right >> (October 14 & 15, 2009) >> The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet >> access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The >> country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb >> broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications >> Ministry >> spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the >> Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. >> Like >> banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet >> connection." Earlier this year, France declared Int
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Actually, from that perspective "LEGAL" right could be a good thing, and better if expanded I want to put an antenna on the roof, and its the only way to get broadband there, and the property manager says "no". I now say "YOU need to let me because its my legal right to have it". I'll legally force you to allow me, or buy me an alternative. What it really needs to read is "Americans have the LEGAL RIGHT to Broadband of CHOICE". Now that would be a good thing for competition.. Or "Americans have Legal Right to BRoadband of Choice, without excessive fees charged by third parties at a rate higher than they'd charge other broadband providers for delivering broadband." Could you imaging if Wireless PRoviders could pull Roof easements with the same power as ILECs pull ground easements? If I had a $1 for every propoerty owner that would not allow me to deploy broadband to an inquiring prospect, I'd be a millionaire. Or atleast my sales reps wouldn't always get discouraged and quit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Robert West" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > Yeah. A legal right. In that case, I ground my son from that damn Maple > Story he plays hours on end and he calls children's services because I > violated his legal rights... > > What other things do I have the "legal right" to that I don't have, I > wonder... > > This is that Entitlement crap again. I'm entitled to fresh water, > nutritious and healthy food, safe place to live, 100mb download speed > internet, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of babies. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Robert West wrote: > >> I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies >> converge into devices that run on whatever version of the "internet" >> we will >> have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at >> this >> moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us >> will be >> able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. >> >> I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. > > Keep in mind, it's a *legal* right (soon) in Finland, not a human > right. People are conflating the French decree with Finland's. > > Chuck > >> Most information, >> other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower >> internet speeds be the difference between life or death? >> >> My 15 year old. >> >> "Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just >> gonna >> die!" >> >> Okay, that much I DO understand. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of David Hulsebus >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right >> >> FYI >> >> From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed >> a Legal Right >> >> --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right >> (October 14 & 15, 2009) >> The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet >> access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The >> country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb >> broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications >> Ministry >> spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the >> Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. >> Like >> banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet >> connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be >> a human right. >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html >> > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m >> akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx >> >> >> >> Dave Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> www.portative.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Very Funny! Thats right, they have the right to go pick up a shovel and run their own fiber to their home :-) Actually, as a consumer, and not an LEC, I wish I had that right. Did they say who's responsibility it was to pay for it and deploy it? Yeah, the consumer should have the right to take out their wallet and pay for it if they need it. A right, is the act of preserving one's ability to continue doing something within their control to do. Preserving rights are imparative where there may otherwise be discrimination. But Forcing someone else to give something is a violation of freedom and rights. So what they are really saying is what? Tax payers have the responsibility to pay for it? Thats the most rediculous thing I ever heard. I agree that all Americans deserve the right to be considered equally when planning how to deploy broadband, regardless to where they live or who they are. But legal right to have it, thats a whole nother level. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "David Hulsebus" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > FYI > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed > a Legal Right > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be > a human right. > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
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Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
And that is a problem. Al -- At 05:56 PM 10/16/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- >Its not a question of manufacturer, its a question of model and/or rev of >model. >Near impossible to have time to test them all, there are so many.. > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >- Original Message - >From: "Al Stewart" >To: ; "WISPA General List" >Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:09 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections > > > > How do D-Link products rate in your experience? > > > > Al > > > > -- At 02:48 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Nick Olsen wrote: --- > > > >>This could be a very touchy topic. > >>Routers, are everywhere. Someone can't blame a router for all there > >>problems because at some point your internet goes through a router. At > >>your > >>location or your ISP's its inevitable. > >>But why have routers gotten such a bad name? I believe this is the fact > >>that most SOHO routers are trash. Generally your average home user isn't > >>doing much to notice a router. But then you get your users that are heavy > >>on the P2P or something they find the router gets slow.. Most SOHO routers > >>don't handle P2P very well because the number of connections. So they > >>remove the router and it all works great suddenly. > >> > >>As for the actual question. No, most routers are not the cause of > >>speed/bandwidth issues. As today most of them are decently equipped. I > >>know > >>back in the day I saw many a netgear 614 have about a 14Mb/s ceiling on > >>wan > >>to lan throughput. Add in lots of P2P connections and that could come down > >>under the 10Mb/s mark. > >>I really like the idea of the new RB750, I have one running right now and > >>its capable of doing 98Mb/s TCP at about 60% cpu load. This is in the > >>standard soho config (1 wan, 4 lan, nat, no queues) > >> > >>Nick Olsen > >>Brevard Wireless > >>(321) 205-1100 x106 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>From: "Al Stewart" > >>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:31 PM > >>To: "WISPA General List" > >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections > >> > >>Thanks ... this helps. > >> > >>One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or > >>wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can > >>be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times > >>at least what the > >>nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers > >>for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of > >>course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be > >>ALL the routers in the system. > >> > >>Al > >> > >>-- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- > >> > >> >Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to > >> >address those conditions. > >> >The problem gets worse when Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets > >>and/or > >> >lots of uploads. > >> >Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics. > >> >The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead > >> >managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down. > >> >This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and > >> >Radios > >> >are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is > >> >gfoing > >>to > >> >be up or down during the congestion time. > >> >Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because > >>its > >> >common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download > >> >direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. > >>Therfore > >> >when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited > >>amount > >> >of upload capacity gets saturated sooner. > >> > > >> >We took a two prong approach to fix. > >> > > >> >1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs > >> >set > >>to > >> >end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR > >> >speed). > >> >Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to > >>have > >> >a time slice for uploading. > >> > > >> >2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every > >>users > >> >gets fair weight to available bandwdith. > >> > > >> >With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself. > >> > > >> >If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is > >> >congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses > >> >really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of > >> >service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively > >>to > >> >most ISPs. Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the > >> >1-1.5 > >> >mbps level ranges. We run about 40-50 users per AP, selling 1mb and 2mb > >> >plans. > >> > > >> > But the key is Queuing If you dont have it, when congestion is > >>reached > >> >packet
Re: [WISPA] sub 3.7 gig spectrum, comments needed was -- Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman JuliusGenachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of NationalBroadband Plan
Its about the relevence of the questions not the quantity. 5 relevent broad questions can still allow for 1000's of potential pages of answers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] sub 3.7 gig spectrum,comments needed was -- Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman JuliusGenachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of NationalBroadband Plan > Hmmm, I thought that there was one with something like 100 questions on > it. > I must have my issues mixed up. > > Anyway here's an idea that I think is worth of discussion. > > I think we should toss out the idea that sensing mechanisms should be > allowed so that ANY open frequencies can be used. > > A couple of easy examples would be 2.5 ghz bands. Those are NOT used in > large parts of the country. Today's wifi chips will go up to those > frequencies with a firmware change! Wifi already has a listen before > talking mechanism. It shouldn't be impossible to add a little bit of > intelligence and coordination to the mechanism and allow a nearly free > expansion of the 2.4 gig wifi band. > > The same could be said for 900mhz. Most of what's on either side of it is > paging systems. Yet many paging systems are long gone now, especially in > rural areas. Why not open up the bands on an as available basis? > > If we can convince the FCC to allow these types of mechanism we could have > a > unlicensed underlay that gives us a LOT more spectrum! > > Thoughts? > marlon > > P.S. I'm tossing this idea back out on the public list for some more > discussion relating to this idea. It's a major policy change (for the > fcc) > so I'd like to hear people's thoughts on asking for it. > > - Original Message - > From: "Stephen Coran" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:28 AM > Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski > AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of National Broadband Plan > > >> Here is a link to the Public Notice inviting comments: >> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2100A1.pdf >> >> Jack Unger and I are developing an outline of WISPA's Comments based on >> the Committee members' e-mails and our own thoughts. Deadline for >> Comments is next Friday. >> >> Stephen E. Coran >> Rini Coran, PC >> 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 >> Washington, D.C. 20036 >> 202.463.4310 - voice >> 202.669.3288 - cell >> 202.296.2014 - fax >> sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail >> www.rinicoran.com >> www.telecommunicationslaw.com >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential >> and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended >> recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use >> of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received >> this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to >> the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments >> without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: To ensure compliance with requirements >> imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in >> this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or >> written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding >> penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing >> or recommending to another party any matter addressed herein. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: fcccommittee-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:fcccommittee-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:29 PM >> To: fcccommit...@wispa.org >> Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski >> AnnouncesSenior Staff for Development of National Broadband Plan >> >> Hi All, >> >> I thought we had an NOI to deal with in regards to the National >> Broadband plan and sub 3.7 GHz spectrum. >> >> This is all I can find in the archives though. Can anyone point me in >> the right direction? >> >> Also, I don't remember much, if any, discussion about WISPA people being >> at any of these meetings. Did we get people to any of them? On any >> panels? >> >> Or is this the stuff that I couldn't get to and Forbes had to back out >> of at the last minute? I know that there was something happening in mid >> sept. >> >> Anyway, I'm still looking for a sub 3.7 gig filing, I'd like to toss out >> some ideas. I'd appreciate any help in finding the FCC NOI or whatever >> it was. >> >> thanks, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jack Unger" >> To: "WISPA's FCC Committee" ; >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:01 PM >> Subject: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski Announces >> Senior Staff for Development of National Broadband Plan >> >> >>> >>> >>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.g
Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
Thanks Tom ... I know some of the cheaper wireless routers on our system have been causing speed problems for various reasons. And I can see the reasons for the problems. But for most people, I guess a router is a router, and they don't want to spend big bucks. For myself, I'm looking to replace my own personal D-Link DI-704P (wired) with another wired unit. Researching models gives all kinds of conflicting info/complaints/recommendations. Someone here recommended, so I guess I'll see what I can track down on that. Al -- At 05:54 PM 10/16/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- >Yes they can be the cause for numerous reasons. > >1) they can start to go flaky, and when gone flaky they can cause hesitent >throughput, (sorta like when a CPU overheats, or when a bus or cache limit >gets exceeded) that will force TCPIP congestion to slow throughput. Its not >uncommon to have cases where we replace a router with another of the same >brand/model and the speed testing improves by 4x. BUT when this happens it >is because the product had become defective, not because the unit wasn't >originally capable.. > >2) a 10mbps port does not guarantee that a route can push 10mbps. 10mbps is >just the speed of the NIC itself. Many cheaper or older generation routers >have very slow processors and can slow down with small packet traffic. Not >just processors but memory and bus design. Also, all firmwares might not be >optimize for higher speeds. For example, for GB you might want large network >buffers, where as routers that were developed at the day of 1mbps max DSL, >may have optimized for the typic speed, and used fewer buffers to conserve >RAM, and use less ram to lower costs. > >However, MOST routers of current generation are pretty capable, and usually >do fine up at higher speeds. Also be cautious of using a VPN router, >because it can take quite a bit of overhead to encrypt or compress the >tunnel, and could get slowed at high speed. The best thing to do is to >certify the peak speed of any Router that you plan to use regularly. Dont >believe the Spec sheet, believe your own Iperf test results. > >The issue is how do you tell if a router is flaking out and how can you test >the router's capabilty remotely if a support call arises? >If you dont have a way to test certify it working to spec, how do you know >it is? > >This is why we tend to use more power routers when we can. We like them to >have processor powerful enough to run full speed throughput tests directly >to the router. >In other words, A router can always pass much more traffic speeds through >it, than it can actuallu hald directly to or from it. Having fast >processors in the routers, creating extra headroom, gets aroud this problem. > > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >- Original Message - >From: "Al Stewart" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections > > > > Thanks ... this helps. > > > > One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or > > wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can > > be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times > > at least what the > > nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers > > for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of > > course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be > > ALL the routers in the system. > > > > Al > > > > -- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- > > > >>Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to > >>address those conditions. > >>The problem gets worse when Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets > >>and/or > >>lots of uploads. > >>Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics. > >>The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead > >>managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down. > >>This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and Radios > >>are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is gfoing > >>to > >>be up or down during the congestion time. > >>Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because its > >>common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download > >>direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. > >>Therfore > >>when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited > >>amount > >>of upload capacity gets saturated sooner. > >> > >>We took a two prong approach to fix. > >> > >>1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs set > >>to > >>end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR speed). > >>Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to > >>have > >>a time slice for uploading. > >> > >>2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair
Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
Its not a question of manufacturer, its a question of model and/or rev of model. Near impossible to have time to test them all, there are so many.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Al Stewart" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections > How do D-Link products rate in your experience? > > Al > > -- At 02:48 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Nick Olsen wrote: --- > >>This could be a very touchy topic. >>Routers, are everywhere. Someone can't blame a router for all there >>problems because at some point your internet goes through a router. At >>your >>location or your ISP's its inevitable. >>But why have routers gotten such a bad name? I believe this is the fact >>that most SOHO routers are trash. Generally your average home user isn't >>doing much to notice a router. But then you get your users that are heavy >>on the P2P or something they find the router gets slow.. Most SOHO routers >>don't handle P2P very well because the number of connections. So they >>remove the router and it all works great suddenly. >> >>As for the actual question. No, most routers are not the cause of >>speed/bandwidth issues. As today most of them are decently equipped. I >>know >>back in the day I saw many a netgear 614 have about a 14Mb/s ceiling on >>wan >>to lan throughput. Add in lots of P2P connections and that could come down >>under the 10Mb/s mark. >>I really like the idea of the new RB750, I have one running right now and >>its capable of doing 98Mb/s TCP at about 60% cpu load. This is in the >>standard soho config (1 wan, 4 lan, nat, no queues) >> >>Nick Olsen >>Brevard Wireless >>(321) 205-1100 x106 >> >> >> >> >>From: "Al Stewart" >>Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:31 PM >>To: "WISPA General List" >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections >> >>Thanks ... this helps. >> >>One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or >>wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can >>be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times >>at least what the >>nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers >>for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of >>course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be >>ALL the routers in the system. >> >>Al >> >>-- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- >> >> >Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to >> >address those conditions. >> >The problem gets worse when Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets >>and/or >> >lots of uploads. >> >Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics. >> >The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead >> >managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down. >> >This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and >> >Radios >> >are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is >> >gfoing >>to >> >be up or down during the congestion time. >> >Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because >>its >> >common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download >> >direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. >>Therfore >> >when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited >>amount >> >of upload capacity gets saturated sooner. >> > >> >We took a two prong approach to fix. >> > >> >1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs >> >set >>to >> >end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR >> >speed). >> >Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to >>have >> >a time slice for uploading. >> > >> >2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every >>users >> >gets fair weight to available bandwdith. >> > >> >With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself. >> > >> >If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is >> >congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses >> >really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of >> >service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively >>to >> >most ISPs. Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the >> >1-1.5 >> >mbps level ranges. We run about 40-50 users per AP, selling 1mb and 2mb >> >plans. >> > >> > But the key is Queuing If you dont have it, when congestion is >>reached >> >packet loss occurs, and degregation is much more noticeable by the end >>user, >> >because TCP will become way more sporatic in its self-tunning. We also >> >learned faster speeds w/ Queuing worked much better than Limiting to >>slower >> >speeds. We also learned avoid having speed plans higher than 60-70% of >>the >> >
Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
Yes they can be the cause for numerous reasons. 1) they can start to go flaky, and when gone flaky they can cause hesitent throughput, (sorta like when a CPU overheats, or when a bus or cache limit gets exceeded) that will force TCPIP congestion to slow throughput. Its not uncommon to have cases where we replace a router with another of the same brand/model and the speed testing improves by 4x. BUT when this happens it is because the product had become defective, not because the unit wasn't originally capable.. 2) a 10mbps port does not guarantee that a route can push 10mbps. 10mbps is just the speed of the NIC itself. Many cheaper or older generation routers have very slow processors and can slow down with small packet traffic. Not just processors but memory and bus design. Also, all firmwares might not be optimize for higher speeds. For example, for GB you might want large network buffers, where as routers that were developed at the day of 1mbps max DSL, may have optimized for the typic speed, and used fewer buffers to conserve RAM, and use less ram to lower costs. However, MOST routers of current generation are pretty capable, and usually do fine up at higher speeds. Also be cautious of using a VPN router, because it can take quite a bit of overhead to encrypt or compress the tunnel, and could get slowed at high speed. The best thing to do is to certify the peak speed of any Router that you plan to use regularly. Dont believe the Spec sheet, believe your own Iperf test results. The issue is how do you tell if a router is flaking out and how can you test the router's capabilty remotely if a support call arises? If you dont have a way to test certify it working to spec, how do you know it is? This is why we tend to use more power routers when we can. We like them to have processor powerful enough to run full speed throughput tests directly to the router. In other words, A router can always pass much more traffic speeds through it, than it can actuallu hald directly to or from it. Having fast processors in the routers, creating extra headroom, gets aroud this problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Al Stewart" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections > Thanks ... this helps. > > One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or > wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can > be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times > at least what the > nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers > for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of > course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be > ALL the routers in the system. > > Al > > -- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- > >>Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to >>address those conditions. >>The problem gets worse when Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets >>and/or >>lots of uploads. >>Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics. >>The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead >>managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down. >>This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and Radios >>are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is gfoing >>to >>be up or down during the congestion time. >>Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because its >>common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download >>direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. >>Therfore >>when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited >>amount >>of upload capacity gets saturated sooner. >> >>We took a two prong approach to fix. >> >>1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs set >>to >>end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR speed). >>Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to >>have >>a time slice for uploading. >> >>2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every users >>gets fair weight to available bandwdith. >> >>With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself. >> >>If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is >>congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses >>really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of >>service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively to >>most ISPs. Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the 1-1.5 >>mbps level ranges. We run about 40-50 users per AP, selling 1mb and 2mb >>plans. >> >> But the key is Queuing If you dont have it, when congestion is >> reached >>packet los
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Oui Polo -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right The faster the pipe, the faster the surrender! Ouch. Was that the French side of my family rolling over in their graves? Marco On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > Dude, you're talking about France. What do you expect? > > ;-) > > Chuck > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly. A human right. Duh? >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> Seriously my brain hurts that is so dumb. >>> >>> A human right? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jack Unger >>> wrote: >>> Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. David Hulsebus wrote: > FYI > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access > Deemed > a Legal Right > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband > Internet > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications > Ministry > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think > [the > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern > society. Like > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access > to be > a human right. > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > >>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > Chuck Bartosch > Clarity Connect, Inc. > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > Ithaca, NY 14850 > (607) 257-8268 > > "When the stars threw down their spears, > and water'd heaven with their tears, > Did He smile, His work to see? > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > > From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
The faster the pipe, the faster the surrender! Ouch. Was that the French side of my family rolling over in their graves? Marco On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > Dude, you're talking about France. What do you expect? > > ;-) > > Chuck > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly. A human right. Duh? >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> Seriously my brain hurts that is so dumb. >>> >>> A human right? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jack Unger >>> wrote: >>> Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. David Hulsebus wrote: > FYI > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access > Deemed > a Legal Right > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband > Internet > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications > Ministry > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think > [the > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern > society. Like > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access > to be > a human right. > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > >>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > Chuck Bartosch > Clarity Connect, Inc. > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > Ithaca, NY 14850 > (607) 257-8268 > > "When the stars threw down their spears, > and water'd heaven with their tears, > Did He smile, His work to see? > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > > From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Yeah. A legal right. In that case, I ground my son from that damn Maple Story he plays hours on end and he calls children's services because I violated his legal rights... What other things do I have the "legal right" to that I don't have, I wonder... This is that Entitlement crap again. I'm entitled to fresh water, nutritious and healthy food, safe place to live, 100mb download speed internet, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of babies. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Robert West wrote: > I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies > converge into devices that run on whatever version of the "internet" > we will > have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at > this > moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us > will be > able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. > > I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. Keep in mind, it's a *legal* right (soon) in Finland, not a human right. People are conflating the French decree with Finland's. Chuck > Most information, > other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower > internet speeds be the difference between life or death? > > My 15 year old. > > "Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just > gonna > die!" > > Okay, that much I DO understand. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of David Hulsebus > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > > FYI > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed > a Legal Right > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications > Ministry > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. > Like > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be > a human right. > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m > akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Robert West wrote: > I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies > converge into devices that run on whatever version of the "internet" > we will > have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at > this > moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us > will be > able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. > > I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. Keep in mind, it's a *legal* right (soon) in Finland, not a human right. People are conflating the French decree with Finland's. Chuck > Most information, > other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower > internet speeds be the difference between life or death? > > My 15 year old. > > "Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just > gonna > die!" > > Okay, that much I DO understand. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of David Hulsebus > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right > > FYI > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed > a Legal Right > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications > Ministry > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. > Like > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be > a human right. > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m > akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Dude, you're talking about France. What do you expect? ;-) Chuck On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > My thoughts exactly. A human right. Duh? > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Seriously my brain hurts that is so dumb. >> >> A human right? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jack Unger >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. >>> >>> David Hulsebus wrote: FYI From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right (October 14 & 15, 2009) The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be a human right. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html >>> >> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com >>> -- >>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >>> Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" >>> Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 >>> www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com >>> >>> Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies converge into devices that run on whatever version of the "internet" we will have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at this moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us will be able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. Most information, other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower internet speeds be the difference between life or death? My 15 year old. "Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just gonna die!" Okay, that much I DO understand. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hulsebus Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right FYI From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right (October 14 & 15, 2009) The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be a human right. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
My thoughts exactly. A human right. Duh? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Seriously my brain hurts that is so dumb. > > A human right? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > > > Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. > > > > David Hulsebus wrote: > > > FYI > > > > > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed > > > a Legal Right > > > > > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > > > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > > > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet > > > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > > > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > > > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry > > > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > > > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like > > > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > > > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be > > > a human right. > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > > > > > > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Hulsebus > > > Portative Technologies, LLC > > > www.portative.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > > Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" > > Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 > > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > > > > Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Seriously my brain hurts that is so dumb. A human right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. > > David Hulsebus wrote: > > FYI > > > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed > > a Legal Right > > > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet > > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry > > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like > > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be > > a human right. > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > > > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > > > > > Dave Hulsebus > > Portative Technologies, LLC > > www.portative.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" > Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > > Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
Thanks for your post Dave. I didn't know this was going on. David Hulsebus wrote: > FYI > > From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed > a Legal Right > > --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right > (October 14 & 15, 2009) > The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet > access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The > country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb > broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry > spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the > Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like > banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet > connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be > a human right. > http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx > > > > Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
FYI From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right (October 14 & 15, 2009) The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that "We think [the Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet connection." Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be a human right. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-makes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units.If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order.These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] a good article.
A good article about fixed WIMAX came in on my Google news page by Robb Henshaw, the Director of Marketing & Communications at Proxim Wireless. http://xrl.in/3ckf or http://www.wimax.com/commentary/blog/blog-2009/october-2009/fixed-wireless-c ontinues-to-thrive-in-the-background-1013 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Make sure you have updated the Tranzeo MT to 4.0.5 Firmware. If they are 4.0.2 there is a DHCP routing issue. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Only time I've ever seen something like you're describing is when there was a DNS setting in a Mikrotik when the default DNS servers weren't set correctly. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy My radio is the router/PPPoE client. Yes their indoor AP is routing also but I see issue when connected directly with my laptop. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Are you using the CPE as a bridge? Or are you using their router as a PPPoE connector? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yes there is an indoor router, but so does every other client I have. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy That is 2.4 - is there an indoor WiFi router on the other side of the wall causing interference? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > How many subs on the tower? > > Is the tower linked to a CPE that is linked to your main tower (poor > mans repeater?) > > ryan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: > > Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, > > -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't > > browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of > > acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will get > > very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my > > knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. > > > > > > > > Mark McElvy > > AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ---
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Only time I've ever seen something like you're describing is when there was a DNS setting in a Mikrotik when the default DNS servers weren't set correctly. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy My radio is the router/PPPoE client. Yes their indoor AP is routing also but I see issue when connected directly with my laptop. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Are you using the CPE as a bridge? Or are you using their router as a PPPoE connector? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yes there is an indoor router, but so does every other client I have. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy That is 2.4 - is there an indoor WiFi router on the other side of the wall causing interference? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > How many subs on the tower? > > Is the tower linked to a CPE that is linked to your main tower (poor > mans repeater?) > > ryan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: > > Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, > > -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't > > browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of > > acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will get > > very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my > > knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. > > > > > > > > Mark McElvy > > AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
My radio is the router/PPPoE client. Yes their indoor AP is routing also but I see issue when connected directly with my laptop. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Are you using the CPE as a bridge? Or are you using their router as a PPPoE connector? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yes there is an indoor router, but so does every other client I have. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy That is 2.4 - is there an indoor WiFi router on the other side of the wall causing interference? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > How many subs on the tower? > > Is the tower linked to a CPE that is linked to your main tower (poor > mans repeater?) > > ryan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: > > Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, > > -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't > > browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of > > acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will get > > very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my > > knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. > > > > > > > > Mark McElvy > > AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Marlon I do not disagree with your assessment but the original installation was a 30ft mast sitting on the roof of the garage and strapped to the eve of the second story roof. This put a 19db radio 20 ft above the roof, given the signal, -80~ and the retries a figured it was shooting through the mass of oak trees. I added 10ft to the mast and to 19db radio went to -56~ so I swapped the radio to a 15db version. This is a 2.7 Mile link. It is going to be rather hard to move. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 > ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of > retries. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > Change from b to g or g to be mode. > > Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. > > Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal > path? > > This looks a LOT like multipath. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark McElvy" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM > Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > >> Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal > up/dn, >> -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't >> browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of >> acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will > get >> very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my >> knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. >> >> >> >> Mark McElvy >> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http:/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Mike, How high are you up on that tower? I've seen you talk about the light a few times, what are using to trigger it? This is a rotating beacon, right? I might file this away in my future bag of tricks, I think it's an excellent idea for some locations and could save us some time on a site survey if we already know it's all good. Thanks. Bob- By the way, looked at your site a few months back to check out that WI-FI trailer of yours. Man, that is one pimped out WI-FI Mo-Fo! Very nice and professional looking job. My hat is off to you for some good ideas. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Reading with interest this thread and especially Marlon's take. I have seen power lines in the Fresnel zone play havoc with a signal. Especially when the wind blows. I have found the same thing regarding placement of the radio. Many times a few feet one way or another just works. I liken it to the black magic of radio propagation. The -60 signal in question CAN be too hot like Marlon intimated. His analysis of the multi-path is probably right on. I don't know what your atmospherics are right now, but this is always the dreaded time of year for me. It has been raining for the past several days. It's colder than usual, and there has been some ducting going on. The leaves are dead on the trees and soaking up that moisture. Installs where I am using knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium aren't as hot as they were a couple weeks ago. The hill I am shooting over has tall grass that is all wet now. The row of trees a mile away I'm shooting over are full of moisture and not diffracting the signal like it was this summer. OK, for some of the voodoo science all this entails, here are some basic observations I've made regarding some of these problem installs. Trees or power lines in the near field that move and are in the Fresnel zone can kill throughput. The signal may look hot, but they can drop packets like mad. Using knife edge diffraction, G seems to work better than B; horizontal better than vertical. Sometimes off pointing an antenna slightly can attenuate a secondary multi-path signal. Always leave a service loop coiled behind an install. CAT5 stretchers are very expensive. It's much easier to make one shorter if needed. I endeavor to make the signal reciprocal, or within 3dB at each end. An alligator station will do nothing except add RF pollution. When doing an install, if possible, I carry a spare long CAT5 cable and a throw away laptop. I try to find the sweet spot before I tack anything down. Like I said, many times this whole thing smacks of black magic. I had a woman call me once from *WAY* too far away. I said, OK, I am going to turn on the light on the tower, tell me if you see it. "I see it," she said. Incredulous, and slightly bored, I told her I was going to turn it off and tell me when it goes off. I waited several seconds and turned off the light. "Ok, it's off she said." Now I was sitting up and taking notes. I asked her to tell me when it goes back on. She told me. I thought it was absolutely incredible that she could see my tower from where she was. She wanted to move into this old farmhouse, and wasn't going to do it unless she could get Internet access. Guess what? She's one of my most vocal and supportive customers and is almost 12 miles away. Mike At 08:44 AM 10/16/2009, Marlon wrote: >Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? > >If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, >I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. > >Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. >It'll sometimes kill the signal though. > >I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent >outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally >something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. > >Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, >still crappy signal. > >Double hm > >I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to >see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just >for things like this.) > >Triple hm > >Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster >speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA >customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to >his service. > >Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things >actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. > >Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very >often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Are you using the CPE as a bridge? Or are you using their router as a PPPoE connector? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Yes there is an indoor router, but so does every other client I have. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy That is 2.4 - is there an indoor WiFi router on the other side of the wall causing interference? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > How many subs on the tower? > > Is the tower linked to a CPE that is linked to your main tower (poor > mans repeater?) > > ryan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: > > Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, > > -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't > > browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of > > acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will get > > very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my > > knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. > > > > > > > > Mark McElvy > > AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Reading with interest this thread and especially Marlon's take. I have seen power lines in the Fresnel zone play havoc with a signal. Especially when the wind blows. I have found the same thing regarding placement of the radio. Many times a few feet one way or another just works. I liken it to the black magic of radio propagation. The -60 signal in question CAN be too hot like Marlon intimated. His analysis of the multi-path is probably right on. I don't know what your atmospherics are right now, but this is always the dreaded time of year for me. It has been raining for the past several days. It's colder than usual, and there has been some ducting going on. The leaves are dead on the trees and soaking up that moisture. Installs where I am using knife edge diffraction as a propagation medium aren't as hot as they were a couple weeks ago. The hill I am shooting over has tall grass that is all wet now. The row of trees a mile away I'm shooting over are full of moisture and not diffracting the signal like it was this summer. OK, for some of the voodoo science all this entails, here are some basic observations I've made regarding some of these problem installs. Trees or power lines in the near field that move and are in the Fresnel zone can kill throughput. The signal may look hot, but they can drop packets like mad. Using knife edge diffraction, G seems to work better than B; horizontal better than vertical. Sometimes off pointing an antenna slightly can attenuate a secondary multi-path signal. Always leave a service loop coiled behind an install. CAT5 stretchers are very expensive. It's much easier to make one shorter if needed. I endeavor to make the signal reciprocal, or within 3dB at each end. An alligator station will do nothing except add RF pollution. When doing an install, if possible, I carry a spare long CAT5 cable and a throw away laptop. I try to find the sweet spot before I tack anything down. Like I said, many times this whole thing smacks of black magic. I had a woman call me once from *WAY* too far away. I said, OK, I am going to turn on the light on the tower, tell me if you see it. "I see it," she said. Incredulous, and slightly bored, I told her I was going to turn it off and tell me when it goes off. I waited several seconds and turned off the light. "Ok, it's off she said." Now I was sitting up and taking notes. I asked her to tell me when it goes back on. She told me. I thought it was absolutely incredible that she could see my tower from where she was. She wanted to move into this old farmhouse, and wasn't going to do it unless she could get Internet access. Guess what? She's one of my most vocal and supportive customers and is almost 12 miles away. Mike At 08:44 AM 10/16/2009, Marlon wrote: >Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? > >If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, >I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. > >Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. >It'll sometimes kill the signal though. > >I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent >outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally >something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. > >Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, >still crappy signal. > >Double hm > >I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to >see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just >for things like this.) > >Triple hm > >Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster >speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA >customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to >his service. > >Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things >actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. > >Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very >often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit >hard. > >laters, >marlon > >- Original Message - >From: "Mark McElvy" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > > > Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 > > ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of > > retries. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > > > Change from b to g or g to be mode. > > > > Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. > > > > Any metal, trees, houses, po
Re: [WISPA] sub 3.7 gig spectrum, comments needed was -- Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of National Broadband Plan
What?! Pagers are long gone??? Well that figures.. I was wondering why my pager hasn't gone off since 1997. And I've been paying the bill every month. DAMN! The fire department here just put in a 2.5ghz system last month. Fire radio guy tells me they have been picking up signals in that band but it's supposed to be clear around here.. They are "looking into it". Someone is cheating and it's not me. I hope it turns out to be some 13 year old kid in his parents basement. I'll give him a job. I agree that they should look at spectrum that has been allocated for outdated applications. I'm sure someone at the FCC is already but they need pushed to do anything about it. Just rambling cause it's raining. Again. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:00 AM To: fcccommit...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] sub 3.7 gig spectrum, comments needed was -- Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of National Broadband Plan Hmmm, I thought that there was one with something like 100 questions on it. I must have my issues mixed up. Anyway here's an idea that I think is worth of discussion. I think we should toss out the idea that sensing mechanisms should be allowed so that ANY open frequencies can be used. A couple of easy examples would be 2.5 ghz bands. Those are NOT used in large parts of the country. Today's wifi chips will go up to those frequencies with a firmware change! Wifi already has a listen before talking mechanism. It shouldn't be impossible to add a little bit of intelligence and coordination to the mechanism and allow a nearly free expansion of the 2.4 gig wifi band. The same could be said for 900mhz. Most of what's on either side of it is paging systems. Yet many paging systems are long gone now, especially in rural areas. Why not open up the bands on an as available basis? If we can convince the FCC to allow these types of mechanism we could have a unlicensed underlay that gives us a LOT more spectrum! Thoughts? marlon P.S. I'm tossing this idea back out on the public list for some more discussion relating to this idea. It's a major policy change (for the fcc) so I'd like to hear people's thoughts on asking for it. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Coran" To: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of National Broadband Plan > Here is a link to the Public Notice inviting comments: > http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2100A1.pdf > > Jack Unger and I are developing an outline of WISPA's Comments based on > the Committee members' e-mails and our own thoughts. Deadline for > Comments is next Friday. > > Stephen E. Coran > Rini Coran, PC > 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 > Washington, D.C. 20036 > 202.463.4310 - voice > 202.669.3288 - cell > 202.296.2014 - fax > sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail > www.rinicoran.com > www.telecommunicationslaw.com > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential > and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended > recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use > of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received > this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to > the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments > without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: To ensure compliance with requirements > imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in > this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or > written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding > penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing > or recommending to another party any matter addressed herein. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: fcccommittee-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:fcccommittee-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:29 PM > To: fcccommit...@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski > AnnouncesSenior Staff for Development of National Broadband Plan > > Hi All, > > I thought we had an NOI to deal with in regards to the National > Broadband plan and sub 3.7 GHz spectrum. > > This is all I can find in the archives though. Can anyone point me in > the right direction? > > Also, I don't remember much, if any, discussion about WISPA people being > at any of these meetings. Did we get people to any of them? On any > panels? > > Or is this the stuff that I couldn't get to and Forbes had to back out > of at the last minute? I know that there was something happening in mid > sep
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Marlon, DO you have or know of a good white paper on Multipath issues? I agree with your assessment but I have several locations that I have not been able to resolve Multipath for. I had an installation last week 3 miles from tower AP. Clear line of site other than going over the Neighbors Metal barn and between 4 metal grain bins. We could get a -69 On 50% of the property but retries were 98% No matter where we tried High-Low left right. 100 yards either way on the road and <10% retries and a -65 signal. I just need to some documentation to solidify my understanding. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 > ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of > retries. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > Change from b to g or g to be mode. > > Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. > > Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal > path? > > This looks a LOT like multipath. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark McElvy" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM > Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > >> Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal > up/dn, >> -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't >> browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of >> acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will > get >> very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my >> knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. >> >> >> >> Mark McElvy >> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
Must be quad core. How much data are you pushing through them? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:00 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom We bought several of the Supermicro Atom 330 units, with the case tha t has I/O on the front and added a PCI-E Intel GigE 4 port card. We have been very happy with them, Mikrotik reports 4 CPUS! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom Thats good to hear, I was really looking forward to replacing some of my boxes with these. I figured router, Pbx, Mail/DNS. As each one of those is running on like a p3 or a vm. Router is a amd 3000+ though. I just love that these are small, low power, rack mountable, low heat, oh and cheap. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Curtis Maurand" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:20 AM To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom I've had a couple of these things. I'm currently firewalling an insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary nameserver (Gentoo Linux). These things have never even burped. I have an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros just get it done quietly. Nick Olsen wrote: > Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. > Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel > pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a > set of realtek's. > And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the > rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its > always bulletproof. > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x106 > > > > > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM > To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom > > It's x86 so it should work. > > Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. > > It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them > especially. > > However much faith you want to put in "SuperMicro" is up to you - I have no > experience. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen > wrote: > > Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? > > I noticed this > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 > I think this would make a decent router for the price. > Your thoughts? > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x106 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wi
[WISPA] sub 3.7 gig spectrum, comments needed was -- Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of National Broadband Plan
Hmmm, I thought that there was one with something like 100 questions on it. I must have my issues mixed up. Anyway here's an idea that I think is worth of discussion. I think we should toss out the idea that sensing mechanisms should be allowed so that ANY open frequencies can be used. A couple of easy examples would be 2.5 ghz bands. Those are NOT used in large parts of the country. Today's wifi chips will go up to those frequencies with a firmware change! Wifi already has a listen before talking mechanism. It shouldn't be impossible to add a little bit of intelligence and coordination to the mechanism and allow a nearly free expansion of the 2.4 gig wifi band. The same could be said for 900mhz. Most of what's on either side of it is paging systems. Yet many paging systems are long gone now, especially in rural areas. Why not open up the bands on an as available basis? If we can convince the FCC to allow these types of mechanism we could have a unlicensed underlay that gives us a LOT more spectrum! Thoughts? marlon P.S. I'm tossing this idea back out on the public list for some more discussion relating to this idea. It's a major policy change (for the fcc) so I'd like to hear people's thoughts on asking for it. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Coran" To: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski AnnouncesSeniorStaff for Development of National Broadband Plan > Here is a link to the Public Notice inviting comments: > http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2100A1.pdf > > Jack Unger and I are developing an outline of WISPA's Comments based on > the Committee members' e-mails and our own thoughts. Deadline for > Comments is next Friday. > > Stephen E. Coran > Rini Coran, PC > 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 > Washington, D.C. 20036 > 202.463.4310 - voice > 202.669.3288 - cell > 202.296.2014 - fax > sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail > www.rinicoran.com > www.telecommunicationslaw.com > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential > and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended > recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use > of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received > this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to > the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments > without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: To ensure compliance with requirements > imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in > this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or > written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding > penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing > or recommending to another party any matter addressed herein. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: fcccommittee-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:fcccommittee-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:29 PM > To: fcccommit...@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski > AnnouncesSenior Staff for Development of National Broadband Plan > > Hi All, > > I thought we had an NOI to deal with in regards to the National > Broadband plan and sub 3.7 GHz spectrum. > > This is all I can find in the archives though. Can anyone point me in > the right direction? > > Also, I don't remember much, if any, discussion about WISPA people being > at any of these meetings. Did we get people to any of them? On any > panels? > > Or is this the stuff that I couldn't get to and Forbes had to back out > of at the last minute? I know that there was something happening in mid > sept. > > Anyway, I'm still looking for a sub 3.7 gig filing, I'd like to toss out > some ideas. I'd appreciate any help in finding the FCC NOI or whatever > it was. > > thanks, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Unger" > To: "WISPA's FCC Committee" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:01 PM > Subject: [FCC Committee] FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski Announces > Senior Staff for Development of National Broadband Plan > > >> >> >> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-292541A1.doc >> >> >> >> -- >> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >> Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" >> Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com >> 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - "wireless_jack" >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> FCCcommittee mailing list >> fcccommit...@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcccommittee > > ___ > FCCcommittee mailing list > fcccommit...@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcccommittee > ___
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Is that a bigger or smaller antenna size than what you have now? If you moved up by 10' and increased your signal levels, what 1000% or so, I'd REALLY say that this is looking like a multipath issue. Often with multipath I've seen the signals hold well but performance suck. It'll sometimes kill the signal though. I had one install that has some power lines in the way. Fought intermittent outages etc. for over a year. His signal was OK, but not great. Finally something changes a bit and his signal dropped too low. Hmmm, bad radio. So I pulled his radio out and put in a brand new one, still crappy signal. Double hm I put the old radio back in, left it off the mount and moved it around to see what would happen. (I always leave 6 to 10' of cable on the mount just for things like this.) Triple hm Move the radio to the west 6' and DOWN 2' and he's got great signal, faster speeds than ever and is happy as a clam. Now one of my biggest PITA customers just never calls anymore. It was a very amazing transformation to his service. Again, there were some powerlines *close* to the path but not in it. Things actually looked pretty good to me. But not to the radio. Your symptoms look like multipath to me. We don't see it's effect very often, the systems handle it quite well today. But when it hits it can hit hard. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 > ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of > retries. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > Change from b to g or g to be mode. > > Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. > > Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal > path? > > This looks a LOT like multipath. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark McElvy" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM > Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > > >> Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal > up/dn, >> -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't >> browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of >> acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will > get >> very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my >> knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. >> >> >> >> Mark McElvy >> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need SU-A-5.8-3-BD-VL
If anybody has any new/used SU-A-5.8-3-BD-VL radios (hw rev C or later) please hit me off list with pricing and quantities. Thanks! * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
Thats good to hear, I was really looking forward to replacing some of my boxes with these. I figured router, Pbx, Mail/DNS. As each one of those is running on like a p3 or a vm. Router is a amd 3000+ though. I just love that these are small, low power, rack mountable, low heat, oh and cheap. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Curtis Maurand" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:20 AM To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom I've had a couple of these things. I'm currently firewalling an insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary nameserver (Gentoo Linux). These things have never even burped. I have an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros just get it done quietly. Nick Olsen wrote: > Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. > Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel > pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a > set of realtek's. > And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the > rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its > always bulletproof. > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x106 > > > > > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM > To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General > List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom > > It's x86 so it should work. > > Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. > > It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them > especially. > > However much faith you want to put in "SuperMicro" is up to you - I have no > experience. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen > wrote: > > Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? > > I noticed this > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 > I think this would make a decent router for the price. > Your thoughts? > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x106 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
I've had a couple of these things. I'm currently firewalling an insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary nameserver (Gentoo Linux). These things have never even burped. I have an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros just get it done quietly. Nick Olsen wrote: > Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. > Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel > pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a > set of realtek's. > And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the > rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its > always bulletproof. > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x106 > > > > > From: "Josh Luthman" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM > To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General > List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom > > It's x86 so it should work. > > Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. > > It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them > especially. > > However much faith you want to put in "SuperMicro" is up to you - I have no > experience. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen > wrote: > > Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? > > I noticed this > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 > I think this would make a decent router for the price. > Your thoughts? > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x106 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....
Well before moving to the current setup, I originally had a CPQ-19, 10 ft lower. It had a -80 with the same result and I was seeing a lot of retries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy Change from b to g or g to be mode. Turn your power WAY down. That's way too hot of a signal. Any metal, trees, houses, power lines etc. anywhere near the signal path? This looks a LOT like multipath. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy > Installing a new customer, Tranzeo CPQ-19 to a MT AP, -60 signal up/dn, > -102 noise. About half the time I don't get name resolution and can't > browse pages. This happens with two different radios. It is kind of > acting like I am loosing routing or something. I also notice I will get > very high ping times sporadically along with drop pings. Best of my > knowledge no one else having issue on this AP, about a dozen users. > > > > Mark McElvy > AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule
For most things $60/hour. I think out installer/repair contractor gets $35/hour for hourly work. Flat $80 for installations and a flat $35 if he goes to a installation and it doesn't work. RickG wrote: > Ya, that may be the way to go. What are you paying per hour? > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Scott Reed > wrote: > >> Have you considered per hour rates with a minimum trip charge to the >> customer? >> We do a flat rate install charge and pay the installer a flat rate. >> Repairs are done per hour, usually minimum 15 minutes charging the >> customer 50% more than we pay the repair person. >> >> RickG wrote: >> >>> Some of the rates I posted assumed the installer was already on site >>> for an installation. I'm just need to consider trouble calls so I >>> revised the schedule below. I used to give $25 per service call but >>> the problem I ran into was that they would go out to a customer's find >>> nothing or perhaps something simple such as a loose cable, then they >>> get paid for doing little or nothing. At that point, I'd rather do it >>> myself and keep the money. You may have a point about paying mileage >>> or a separate truck roll fee. Either way, I have guys more than >>> willing to do it for the amounts below but I truly dont want to take >>> advantage of anyone which is why I'm asking. A flat "one size fits >>> all" rate doesnt seem fair to the company so I'm trying to come up >>> with a more specific rate schedule based on the expected time to do >>> the job. >>> >>> $30 -- Service call to replace ethernet cable on customer's premises >>> (normal run). >>> $20 -- Service call to replace radio/antenna performed on site at >>> customer's premises. >>> $10 -- Service call to replace POE, and/or power supply performed on >>> site at customer's premises. >>> $10 -- Uninstall canceled customer (remove radio and mount). >>> $10 -- Site survey performed on site at prospective customer's premises. >>> $5 -- NTF. i.e. reset radio/router. Note: May be billable to customer! >>> $5 -- Extended area trip fee (Within KyWiFi service area but outside of >>> Montgomery County). >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date: 10/14/09 >>> 18:32:00 >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Scott Reed >> Sr. Systems Engineer >> GAB Midwest >> 1-800-363-1544 x4000 >> Cell: 260-273-7239 >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.18/2437 - Release Date: 10/15/09 > 03:57:00 > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
