Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Robert West]

He still owes me 10 bucks.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.

Now he's really pissing me off.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
the
> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
> attempt to hack into our networks.
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >wrote:
>
> > >From NewsMax:
> >
> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >
> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >
> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
> today.
> >
> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
> Web
> > from the United States to foreign powers.
> >
> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
> of
> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> > working
> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
> of
> > "open-architecture networking."
> >
> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> > Internet.
> >
> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
> worldwide
> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
> and
> > how we communicate in it.
> >
> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >
> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> > identifier
> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
to
> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
> process
> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> > sharing,
> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
> set
> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
> > the
> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >
> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> > service the Internet.
> >
> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> > Assigned
> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> > Department
> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
> >
> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
> >
> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
> > States
> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
> behalf
> > of all nations.
> >
> > The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
> > Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and
> a
> > dependent form of international communications, that it would be
> dangerous
> > and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
> >
> > Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
> > administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
> > some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration
has
> > agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries
> on
> > IANA.
> >
> > This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap
> for
> > surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and
> > responsibility to control and manage.
> >
> > It is in America's economic and national security interests not to
> > relinquish any

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Robert West]

Ah..  but you see, the eye is on the future and the ability to TAX it!
The latest is the proposed global internet tax.  Once it's everywhere,
they'll hit us.  Moo-HAHA!!  (Evil laugh)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the
net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
attempt to hack into our networks.
-RickG

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito
wrote:

> >From NewsMax:
>
> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>
> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>
> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
today.
>
> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web
> from the United States to foreign powers.
>
> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
of
> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> working
> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
of
> "open-architecture networking."
>
> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> Internet.
>
> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
worldwide
> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
and
> how we communicate in it.
>
> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>
> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> identifier
> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to
> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process
> of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka, the
> Internet.
>
> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> sharing,
> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
set
> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
> the
> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>
> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> service the Internet.
>
> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> Assigned
> Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> Department
> of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
> addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>
> In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
> person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>
> For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
> States
> to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
> international body such as the United Nations or even the International
> Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
> telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf
> of all nations.
>
> The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
> Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a
> dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous
> and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
>
> Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
> administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
> some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has
> agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries
on
> IANA.
>
> This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for
> surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and
> responsibility to control and manage.
>
> It is in America's economic and national security interests not to
> relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and
> functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and most
> powerful communications network.
>
> What better country to protect the Internet than the United States?
>
> We invented it, and we paid for the research and implementation that made
> it
> possible. We are the freest, most tolerant nation on earth, we believe in
> th

Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Butch has set up a nice little thing for an MT ap that we use at some local 
events.
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Captive Portals


> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page. Can
> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
> software?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Robert West]

Yeah, that's easy stuff.  Even DD-WRT can pull that off but at the price of
a Mikrotik box, to hell with Dd-Wrt.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

Mikrotik of course.  Very easy - you can do the captive portal and a
redirect once they log in.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Carl Shivers  wrote:

> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page. Can
> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
> software?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] power

[Robert West]

Nothing in my life is linear.  I'm more like String Theory.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] power

You guys should know that the 802.11 radios I have worked with can have
built in attenuators, sometimes more than one, that can get switched on and
off based on RX power level sensed in hardware. How many and at what levels
the attenuators kick in varies from card to card and vendor to vendor. ODMs
have the ability to change this part of the design. If implemented properly,
which may not always be the case, the built in attenuators should prevent
most RX overload.

To make it even more complicated there can also be LNAs that can switched on
or off.

I mention all this because if your mental model of how the card works
assumes that everything is linear, it could be wrong.

Best,

leb




At 2:45 AM -0500 2/2/10, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full 
>modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then 
>you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db 
>would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not 
>need that kind margin and could use less power.
>
>Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to 
>make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting 
>your own rf space.
>
>Sent Mobile
>Jerry Richardson
>airCloud Communications
>
>On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>
>> Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is 
>>> going
>>> to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor 
>>> cause
>>> -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios.
>>>
>>> Sent Mobile
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>>>
 Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
 level is?
 I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West  wrote:

> I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
> population.  Use a
> pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
> Check your
> polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
> radio.  My
> grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] power
>
> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
> around by
> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
> Today,
> I
> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
> from the
> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power,
> he got
> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
> trial basis
> or is there some kind of method to it?
> -RickG
>
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Robert West]

I vote to add Franklin Pierce and Benjamin Harrison.  They didn’t do
anything and I'll take nothing over this mess of something.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article


Greenspan? I like Patton. Just don't use Nixon, lol.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Marco Coelho 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:15:25 -0600

>I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
>President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
>20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
>
>
>
>Marco
>
>On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
>> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when
we
>> need him?!!!  :)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>>
>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>
>> Now he's really pissing me off.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue
>> that counts."
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA)
give
>>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
>> the
>>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
>>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
>>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
>>> attempt to hack into our networks.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > >From NewsMax:
>>> >
>>> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> >
>>> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> >
>>> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment
of
>>> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>>> today.
>>> >
>>> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
>>> Web
>>> > from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> >
>>> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius
work
>>> of
>>> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> > working
>>> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
Projects
>>> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the
idea
>>> of
>>> > "open-architecture networking."
>>> >
>>> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
>>> > Internet.
>>> >
>>> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>>> worldwide
>>> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
world
>>> and
>>> > how we communicate in it.
>>> >
>>> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>>> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network
of
>>> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>>> >
>>> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>>> > identifier
>>> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
>> to
>>> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>>> process
>>> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
>> the
>>> > Internet.
>>> >
>>> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>>> > sharing,
>>> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
administration
>>> set
>>> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet
by
>>> > the
>>> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>>> >
>>> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>>> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
>>> > service the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>>> > Assigned
>>> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
>>> > Department
>>> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
>>> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>>> >
>>> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols,
a
>>> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
>>> > States
>>> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They wa

Re: [WISPA] power

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Point them UP.

Gotta be creative here folks :-)
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jayson Baker" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] power


> That's not a good idea.  You will create multipath interference, which 
> will
> have an overall negative impact.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>
>> You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower.
>> I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>> > It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away
>> > running
>> > high -70's.
>> > If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their
>> > throughput?
>> > What about using an attenuator and padding it down some?
>> > Thanks! -RickG
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to
>> >> -65 range.
>> >> Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around
>> >> there. As
>> >> its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other
>> >> interference.
>> >>
>> >> Nick Olsen
>> >> Network Engineer / Customer Support
>> >> (321) 205-1100 x106
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> From: "RickG" 
>> >> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] power
>> >>
>> >> Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
>> >> level
>> >> is?
>> >> I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
>> >>> population.  Use
>> >> a
>> >>> pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
>> >>> Check
>> >> your
>> >>> polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
>> >>> radio.  My
>> >>> grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
>> >>>
>> >>> Bob-
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>> >>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >>> Behalf Of RickG
>> >>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>> >>> To: WISPA General List
>> >>> Subject: [WISPA] power
>> >>>
>> >>> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
>> >>> around
>> >> by
>> >>> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
>> >> Today,
>> >>> I
>> >>> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
>> >>> from
>> >> the
>> >>> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the
>> >>> power, he
>> >> got
>> >>> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
>> >>> trial
>> >> basis
>> >>> or is there some kind of method to it?
>> >>> -RickG
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] power

[Marlon K. Schafer]

WiFi is supposed to need a 13 or 15 db carrier to interference rate.

Yet I've seen them push good traffic at 5db c/i.  Go figure.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] power


>I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going
> to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause
> -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios.
>
> Sent Mobile
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>
>> Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
>> level is?
>> I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West > >wrote:
>>
>>> I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
>>> population.  Use a
>>> pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
>>> Check your
>>> polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
>>> radio.  My
>>> grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] power
>>>
>>> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
>>> around by
>>> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
>>> Today,
>>> I
>>> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
>>> from the
>>> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power,
>>> he got
>>> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
>>> trial basis
>>> or is there some kind of method to it?
>>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] power

[Marlon K. Schafer]

-55 is WAY too high most of the time.

If you have perfect LOS (this means fresnel zone and all) it's ok.  But with 
the receive sensitivity of the new gear you'll pick up too many reflections 
to have a good performing link.

The worst part about this is that it shows up more and more when you start 
putting more and more customers on the link.  One only taking care of one or 
5 customers will hide a lot of problems.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Nick Olsen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] power


> Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 
> range.
> Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. 
> As
> its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other
> interference.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Engineer / Customer Support
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
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>
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] power
>
> Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level
> is?
> I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
>> I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density population.  Use
> a
>> pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.  Check
> your
>> polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio.  My
>> grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] power
>>
>> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters" around
> by
>> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
> Today,
>> I
>> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from
> the
>> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he
> got
>> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial
> basis
>> or is there some kind of method to it?
>> -RickG
>>
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Re: [WISPA] power

[Marlon K. Schafer]

That's a VERY high indicator of multipath.

This is only a guess, but I'd say that you probably run many of these links 
at -50 or more signal levels.  -60 for sure.

If you DROP your signals to -70 to -75 you'll often find them working even 
better.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: [WISPA] power


> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters" around 
> by
> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, 
> I
> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the
> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got
> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial 
> basis
> or is there some kind of method to it?
> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Chuck Bartosch]

Oddly, I was a McCain fan a few years ago, even when I didn't agree with him on 
a fair number of issues-but he seemed to have some backbone. However, I was 
pretty disgusted by his pandering in the last election and voted for Obama.

But then, I felt (and still feel) that Obama is a lot more 
moderate/conservative than most of his party realizes. Note that this by no 
means makes him a conservative-just more conservative than the majority of his 
backers seem to understand.

When I was on the school board out this way, I used to publicly say I'd rather 
have twice the voter turn out and lose than half the turn out and win, whether 
for my own re-election or on the yearly public vote on the budget. You can 
imagine the gasps of indignation from certain elements of the electorate by 
that statement. The lack of participation, whatever the outcome, undermines our 
institutions.

Chuck 


On Feb 2, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

> Both candidates were arguably the worst in American history.  It says a lot
> about you to admit you voted for Obama.  I know people that for a fact voted
> for Obama, but now deny it.
> 
> We need to punt McCain out of office right along with Harry, Nancy and
> Obama...just to name a few.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
> 
> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
> need him?!!!  :)
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
> 
> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
> 
> Now he's really pissing me off.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
> 
>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
> the
>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
>> attempt to hack into our networks.
>> -RickG
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >> wrote:
>> 
 From NewsMax:
>>> 
>>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> 
>>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> 
>>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
>>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>> today.
>>> 
>>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
>> Web
>>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> 
>>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
>> of
>>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> working
>>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
>>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
>> of
>>> "open-architecture networking."
>>> 
>>> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
>>> Internet.
>>> 
>>> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>> worldwide
>>> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
>> and
>>> how we communicate in it.
>>> 
>>> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>>> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
>>> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>>> 
>>> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>>> identifier
>>> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
> to
>>> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>> process
>>> of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
> the
>>> Internet.
>>> 
>>> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>>> sharing,
>>> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
>> set
>>> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
>>> the
>>> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>>> 
>>> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>>> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
>>> service the Internet.
>>> 
>>> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>>> Assigned
>>> Numbers Authorit

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[RickG]

Are you on the right list? This is WISPA - Wild Independent Studys of
Politics in America :)

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> How did politics get in my inbox?
>
> Who's moderating this list anyway? They are asleep at the wheel!
>
> Sent Mobile
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:20 PM, "Philip Dorr"
>  wrote:
>
> > 5% Truman
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Marco Coelho 
> > wrote:
> >> I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
> >> President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald
> >> Reagan,
> >> 20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Marco
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West  >> > wrote:
> >>> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ
> >>> when we
> >>> need him?!!!  :)
> >>>
> >>> Bob-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> >>> boun...@wispa.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
> >>>
> >>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
> >>>
> >>> Now he's really pissing me off.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> >>> continue
> >>> that counts."
> >>> --- Winston Churchill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
> >>>
>  I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>  (USA) give
>  things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>  case of
> >>> the
>  net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>  used to
>  attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>  everyone
>  connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that
>  hack or
>  attempt to hack into our networks.
>  -RickG
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito <
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> > wrote:
> 
> >> From NewsMax:
> >
> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >
> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >
> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
> > investment of
> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now
> > know it
>  today.
> >
> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control
> > of the
>  Web
> > from the United States to foreign powers.
> >
> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
> > genius work
>  of
> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men,
> > while
> > working
> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
> > Projects
> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
> > the idea
>  of
> > "open-architecture networking."
> >
> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth
> > of the
> > Internet.
> >
> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>  worldwide
> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed
> > the world
>  and
> > how we communicate in it.
> >
> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
> > network of
> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >
> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> > identifier
> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
> > computer
> >>> to
> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>  process
> > of communication became know as the "information super highway,"
> > aka,
> >>> the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how
> > inclusive,
> > sharing,
> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
> > administration
>  set
> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the
> > Internet by
> > the
> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >
> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through
> > the
> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers
> > that
> > service the Internet.
> >
> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the
> > Internet
> > Assigned
> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> > Department
> > of Commerce, is responsible fo

Re: [WISPA] power

[RickG]

And I was just getting a handle on software switchable polarity:)
Thanks!

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst  wrote:

> You guys should know that the 802.11 radios I have worked with can have
> built in attenuators, sometimes more than one, that can get switched on and
> off based on RX power level sensed in hardware. How many and at what levels
> the attenuators kick in varies from card to card and vendor to vendor. ODMs
> have the ability to change this part of the design. If implemented properly,
> which may not always be the case, the built in attenuators should prevent
> most RX overload.
>
> To make it even more complicated there can also be LNAs that can switched
> on or off.
>
> I mention all this because if your mental model of how the card works
> assumes that everything is linear, it could be wrong.
>
> Best,
>
> leb
>
>
>
>
> At 2:45 AM -0500 2/2/10, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> >I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full
> >modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then
> >you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db
> >would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not
> >need that kind margin and could use less power.
> >
> >Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to
> >make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting
> >your own rf space.
> >
> >Sent Mobile
> >Jerry Richardson
> >airCloud Communications
> >
> >On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> >
> >> Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is
> >>> going
> >>> to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor
> >>> cause
> >>> -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios.
> >>>
> >>> Sent Mobile
> >>> Jerry Richardson
> >>> airCloud Communications
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> >>>
>  Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
>  level is?
>  I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West <
> robert.w...@just-micro.com
> > wrote:
> 
> > I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
> > population.  Use a
> > pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
> > Check your
> > polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
> > radio.  My
> > grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> > boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] power
> >
> > OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
> > around by
> > using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
> > Today,
> > I
> > installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
> > from the
> > AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power,
> > he got
> > 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
> > trial basis
> > or is there some kind of method to it?
> > -RickG
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] power

[RickG]

LOL Bob, They didnt remove the "Dont ask, dont tell" rule yet! I appreciate
the complement!

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Yeah, I'd marry you but you're a dude.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] power
>
> I've had the same experiences. Like I said before, our WISP's are simular
> :)
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's.
>  Just
> > adjust the power when you need to.  I have some AP's that have clients
> > connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is
> > better from one further out.   I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print
> > per AP due to trees.  We have a different terrain as you do, lots of open
> > flat area but small stand of trees here and there.  I can do AP's low to
> > the
> > ground, say, 55 feet to 80 feet but due to small wood lots I put in Ap's
> > about 3 or 4 miles apart, gives me complete coverage even if I have to
> > catch
> > the signal from an AP 5 or 6 miles down the line.  But, as you are doing,
> a
> > couple of pac grids, bullet and AP  the cost is minimal.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:57 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] power
> >
> > Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level
> is?
> > I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density population.
> Use
> > a
> > > pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.  Check
> > your
> > > polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio.
>  My
> > > grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
> > >
> > > Bob-
> > >
> > >
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> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of RickG
> > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] power
> > >
> > > OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
> around
> > by
> > > using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
> > Today,
> > > I
> > > installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from
> > the
> > > AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he
> > got
> > > 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial
> > basis
> > > or is there some kind of method to it?
> > > -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] power

[RickG]

THAT is exactly what I want to achieve. Thanks for the input! -RickG

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full
> modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then
> you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db
> would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not
> need that kind margin and could use less power.
>
> Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to
> make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting
> your own rf space.
>
> Sent Mobile
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>
> > Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good?
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is
> >> going
> >> to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor
> >> cause
> >> -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios.
> >>
> >> Sent Mobile
> >> Jerry Richardson
> >> airCloud Communications
> >>
> >> On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
> >>> level is?
> >>> I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West <
> robert.w...@just-micro.com
>  wrote:
> >>>
>  I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
>  population.  Use a
>  pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
>  Check your
>  polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
>  radio.  My
>  grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
> 
>  Bob-
> 
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>  boun...@wispa.org] On
>  Behalf Of RickG
>  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: [WISPA] power
> 
>  OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
>  around by
>  using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
>  Today,
>  I
>  installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
>  from the
>  AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power,
>  he got
>  3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
>  trial basis
>  or is there some kind of method to it?
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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Jeremie Chism]

I've used a company called 4ipnet.com. Reasonable prices and they have  
most features.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2010, at 2:55 PM, "Carl Shivers"   
wrote:

> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash  
> page. Can
> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
> software?
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[WISPA] Airmax Sector pole mount specs?

[Ryan Ghering]

Anyone know the min and max pole diameter for the airmax sectors?

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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Scottie Arnett]

Interesting...do they make a build to work on the nanos?

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Glenn Kelley 
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Date:  Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:01:00 -0500

>Thats an easy one
>
>Ubiquity PicoStation2 
>
>
>with this unit you can grab the openwrt-atheros-ubnt2-pico2-squashfs.bin and 
>voila - :-)
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>More details here:  http://www.coova.org/node/3685
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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Josh Luthman]

Forgot I even wrote this:

http://iam8up.com/?p=222

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Even easier -
>
> /ip hotspot setup
> Modify login.html and alogin.html with pretty colors and pictures.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Jerry Richardson  > wrote:
>
>> +1 on MT. Online manual and Wiki make the process pretty simple.
>>
>> Sent Mobile
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:59 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Mikrotik of course.  Very easy - you can do the captive portal and a
>> > redirect once they log in.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co
>> > ntinue
>> > that counts.”
>> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Carl Shivers
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash
>> >> page. Can
>> >> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
>> >> software?
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Josh Luthman]

Even easier -

/ip hotspot setup
Modify login.html and alogin.html with pretty colors and pictures.

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> +1 on MT. Online manual and Wiki make the process pretty simple.
>
> Sent Mobile
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:59 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>  wrote:
>
> > Mikrotik of course.  Very easy - you can do the captive portal and a
> > redirect once they log in.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
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> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co
> > ntinue
> > that counts.”
> > --- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Carl Shivers
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash
> >> page. Can
> >> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Jerry Richardson]

How did politics get in my inbox?

Who's moderating this list anyway? They are asleep at the wheel!

Sent Mobile
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On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:20 PM, "Philip Dorr"
 wrote:

> 5% Truman
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Marco Coelho 
> wrote:
>> I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
>> President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald
>> Reagan,
>> 20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
>>
>>
>>
>> Marco
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West > > wrote:
>>> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ
>>> when we
>>> need him?!!!  :)
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>>>
>>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>>
>>> Now he's really pissing me off.
>>>
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>>> that counts."
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>
 I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
 (USA) give
 things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
 case of
>>> the
 net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
 used to
 attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
 everyone
 connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that
 hack or
 attempt to hack into our networks.
 -RickG

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  wrote:

>> From NewsMax:
>
> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>
> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>
> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
> investment of
> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now
> know it
 today.
>
> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control
> of the
 Web
> from the United States to foreign powers.
>
> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
> genius work
 of
> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men,
> while
> working
> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
> Projects
> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
> the idea
 of
> "open-architecture networking."
>
> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth
> of the
> Internet.
>
> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
 worldwide
> computer Internet communications network that forever changed
> the world
 and
> how we communicate in it.
>
> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
> network of
> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>
> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> identifier
> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
> computer
>>> to
> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
 process
> of communication became know as the "information super highway,"
> aka,
>>> the
> Internet.
>
> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how
> inclusive,
> sharing,
> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
> administration
 set
> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the
> Internet by
> the
> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>
> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through
> the
> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers
> that
> service the Internet.
>
> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the
> Internet
> Assigned
> Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> Department
> of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the
> DNS, IP
> addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>
> In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet
> protocols, a
> person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>
> For years, the international community has been pressuring the
> United
> States
> to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They
> want an
> international body such as the United Nations or 

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Josh Luthman]

George Washington!  Wooden teeth and all =þ

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

> 5% Truman
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:
> > I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
> > President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
> > 20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
> >
> >
> >
> > Marco
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
> >> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when
> we
> >> need him?!!!  :)
> >>
> >> Bob-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
> >>
> >> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
> >>
> >> Now he's really pissing me off.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
> >> that counts."
> >> --- Winston Churchill
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA)
> give
> >>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
> >> the
> >>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
> >>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
> everyone
> >>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
> >>> attempt to hack into our networks.
> >>> -RickG
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > >From NewsMax:
> >>> >
> >>> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >>> >
> >>> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> >>> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >>> >
> >>> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment
> of
> >>> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
> >>> today.
> >>> >
> >>> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
> the
> >>> Web
> >>> > from the United States to foreign powers.
> >>> >
> >>> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius
> work
> >>> of
> >>> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> >>> > working
> >>> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
> Projects
> >>> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the
> idea
> >>> of
> >>> > "open-architecture networking."
> >>> >
> >>> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> >>> > Internet.
> >>> >
> >>> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
> >>> worldwide
> >>> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
> world
> >>> and
> >>> > how we communicate in it.
> >>> >
> >>> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> >>> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network
> of
> >>> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >>> >
> >>> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> >>> > identifier
> >>> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
> computer
> >> to
> >>> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
> >>> process
> >>> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
> >> the
> >>> > Internet.
> >>> >
> >>> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> >>> > sharing,
> >>> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
> administration
> >>> set
> >>> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet
> by
> >>> > the
> >>> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >>> >
> >>> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> >>> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> >>> > service the Internet.
> >>> >
> >>> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> >>> > Assigned
> >>> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> >>> > Department
> >>> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS,
> IP
> >>> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
> >>> >
> >>> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet
> protocols, a
> >>> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
> >>> >
> >>> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
> >>>

Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Jerry Richardson]

+1 on MT. Online manual and Wiki make the process pretty simple.

Sent Mobile
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications

On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:59 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
 wrote:

> Mikrotik of course.  Very easy - you can do the captive portal and a
> redirect once they log in.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co 
> ntinue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Carl Shivers  
>  wrote:
>
>> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash  
>> page. Can
>> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
>> software?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Philip Dorr]

5% Truman

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:
> I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
> President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
> 20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
>
>
>
> Marco
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
>> need him?!!!  :)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>>
>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>
>> Now he's really pissing me off.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>> that counts."
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
>>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
>> the
>>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
>>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
>>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
>>> attempt to hack into our networks.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > >From NewsMax:
>>> >
>>> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> >
>>> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> >
>>> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
>>> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>>> today.
>>> >
>>> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
>>> Web
>>> > from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> >
>>> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
>>> of
>>> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> > working
>>> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
>>> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
>>> of
>>> > "open-architecture networking."
>>> >
>>> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
>>> > Internet.
>>> >
>>> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>>> worldwide
>>> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
>>> and
>>> > how we communicate in it.
>>> >
>>> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>>> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
>>> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>>> >
>>> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>>> > identifier
>>> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
>> to
>>> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>>> process
>>> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
>> the
>>> > Internet.
>>> >
>>> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>>> > sharing,
>>> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
>>> set
>>> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
>>> > the
>>> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>>> >
>>> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>>> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
>>> > service the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>>> > Assigned
>>> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
>>> > Department
>>> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
>>> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>>> >
>>> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
>>> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
>>> > States
>>> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
>>> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
>>> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
>>> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
>>> behalf
>>> > of all nations.
>>> >
>>> > The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
>>> > Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and
>>> a
>>> > dependent form of international communications, that it would be
>>> dang

Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Brad Belton]

Talk to Eje at www.wisp-router.com


Brad


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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Dennis Burgess]

RouterOS! :)  User Manager! http://www.linktechs.net/billing.asp if you
need assistance :) 

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We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page.
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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Glenn Kelley]

Thats an easy one

Ubiquity PicoStation2 


with this unit you can grab the openwrt-atheros-ubnt2-pico2-squashfs.bin and 
voila - :-)

More details here:  http://www.coova.org/node/3685

and 

here:  http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/hotcakes/wiki/yfi_setup_nas_PicoStation2


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> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page. Can
> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
> software?
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Alan Long]

How many users behind portal? Do you want to have logins or free access? Do
you need to process credit cards for payments? 


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Re: [WISPA] Captive Portals

[Josh Luthman]

Mikrotik of course.  Very easy - you can do the captive portal and a
redirect once they log in.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts.”
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Carl Shivers  wrote:

> We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page. Can
> someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
> software?
>
>
>
>
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[WISPA] Captive Portals

[Carl Shivers]

We are setting up a WiFi zone for a customer that wants a splash page. Can
someone give me a recommendation on a good Captive portal device or
software?




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Re: [WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points

[Marco Coelho]

Spectral efficiency is very important.  We're really getting to the
point where we have to use additional bands to keep adding customers
in some markets.


mc

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> One question you should also ask Marco is how much capacity at what
> range, and then that relative to channel size. Aperto will do over 18
> mbps on a 7MHz channel with 25-30 ms latency. That latency is pretty
> much standard with the D version of WiMAX. Due to a link optimization
> patent we hold we can also hold modulations at higher ranges than other
> WiMAX products, which all de-modulate based only on CINR (which is the
> base requirement of the standard).
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:56 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points
>
> Who has the fastest 3650 access points?
>
> Who has the fastest access points?
>
> mc
>
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[David E. Smith]

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:57, MDK  wrote:

> The multi-party systems develop the same problems as two-party systems.
>

The secret would be to replace first-past-the-post voting with something
like instant runoff. Good luck explaining that to people that barely can be
bothered to press the "straight party ticket" button.

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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Brad Belton]

Both candidates were arguably the worst in American history.  It says a lot
about you to admit you voted for Obama.  I know people that for a fact voted
for Obama, but now deny it.

We need to punt McCain out of office right along with Harry, Nancy and
Obama...just to name a few.

Brad


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I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
need him?!!!  :)

Bob-



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You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.

Now he's really pissing me off.

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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
the
> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
> attempt to hack into our networks.
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >wrote:
>
> > >From NewsMax:
> >
> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >
> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >
> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
> today.
> >
> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
> Web
> > from the United States to foreign powers.
> >
> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
> of
> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> > working
> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
> of
> > "open-architecture networking."
> >
> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> > Internet.
> >
> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
> worldwide
> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
> and
> > how we communicate in it.
> >
> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >
> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> > identifier
> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
to
> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
> process
> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> > sharing,
> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
> set
> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
> > the
> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >
> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> > service the Internet.
> >
> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> > Assigned
> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> > Department
> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
> >
> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
> >
> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
> > States
> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
> behalf
> > of all nations.
> >
> > The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
> > Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and
> a
> > dependent form of international communications, that it would be
> dangerous
> > and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
> >
> > Just this past spring, w

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Marco Coelho]

I would put 1-2% of Clinton, but I'm afraid I'd get the wrong part!

Must let thread die...



On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:
>
> Greenspan? I like Patton. Just don't use Nixon, lol.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Marco Coelho 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:15:25 -0600
>
>>I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
>>President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
>>20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
>>
>>
>>
>>Marco
>>
>>On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West  
>>wrote:
>>> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
>>> need him?!!!  :)
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>>>
>>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>>
>>> Now he's really pissing me off.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>>> that counts."
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>
 I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
 things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
>>> the
 net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
 attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
 connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
 attempt to hack into our networks.
 -RickG

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >>> >wrote:

 > >From NewsMax:
 >
 > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
 >
 > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
 > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
 >
 > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
 > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
 today.
 >
 > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
 Web
 > from the United States to foreign powers.
 >
 > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
 of
 > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
 > working
 > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
 > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
 of
 > "open-architecture networking."
 >
 > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
 > Internet.
 >
 > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
 worldwide
 > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
 and
 > how we communicate in it.
 >
 > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
 > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
 > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
 >
 > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
 > identifier
 > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
>>> to
 > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
 process
 > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
>>> the
 > Internet.
 >
 > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
 > sharing,
 > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
 set
 > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
 > the
 > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
 >
 > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
 > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
 > service the Internet.
 >
 > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
 > Assigned
 > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
 > Department
 > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
 > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
 >
 > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
 > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
 >
 > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
 > States
 > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
 > international body such as the United Nations or even t

[WISPA] Leasing Companies -- Corp Only

[Marco Coelho]

We are looking for some additional leasing sources.
Are typical lease is 60 months, 0 down, $1 buy out, corp only.
We've got great credit history for 17+ years.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Marco



-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
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Re: [WISPA] power

[Lawrence E. Bakst]

You guys should know that the 802.11 radios I have worked with can have built 
in attenuators, sometimes more than one, that can get switched on and off based 
on RX power level sensed in hardware. How many and at what levels the 
attenuators kick in varies from card to card and vendor to vendor. ODMs have 
the ability to change this part of the design. If implemented properly, which 
may not always be the case, the built in attenuators should prevent most RX 
overload.

To make it even more complicated there can also be LNAs that can switched on or 
off.

I mention all this because if your mental model of how the card works assumes 
that everything is linear, it could be wrong.

Best,

leb




At 2:45 AM -0500 2/2/10, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full 
>modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then 
>you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db 
>would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not 
>need that kind margin and could use less power.
>
>Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to 
>make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting 
>your own rf space.
>
>Sent Mobile
>Jerry Richardson
>airCloud Communications
>
>On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>
>> Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is 
>>> going
>>> to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor 
>>> cause
>>> -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios.
>>>
>>> Sent Mobile
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>>>
 Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power
 level is?
 I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West  wrote:

> I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density
> population.  Use a
> pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.
> Check your
> polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right
> radio.  My
> grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
> boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] power
>
> OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters"
> around by
> using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
> Today,
> I
> installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away
> from the
> AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power,
> he got
> 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and
> trial basis
> or is there some kind of method to it?
> -RickG
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Scottie Arnett]

Greenspan? I like Patton. Just don't use Nixon, lol.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Marco Coelho 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:15:25 -0600

>I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
>President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
>20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?
>
>
>
>Marco
>
>On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West  wrote:
>> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
>> need him?!!!  :)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>>
>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>
>> Now he's really pissing me off.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>> that counts."
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
>>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
>> the
>>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
>>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
>>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
>>> attempt to hack into our networks.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > >From NewsMax:
>>> >
>>> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> >
>>> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> >
>>> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
>>> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>>> today.
>>> >
>>> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
>>> Web
>>> > from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> >
>>> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
>>> of
>>> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> > working
>>> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
>>> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
>>> of
>>> > "open-architecture networking."
>>> >
>>> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
>>> > Internet.
>>> >
>>> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>>> worldwide
>>> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
>>> and
>>> > how we communicate in it.
>>> >
>>> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>>> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
>>> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>>> >
>>> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>>> > identifier
>>> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
>> to
>>> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>>> process
>>> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
>> the
>>> > Internet.
>>> >
>>> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>>> > sharing,
>>> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
>>> set
>>> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
>>> > the
>>> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>>> >
>>> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>>> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
>>> > service the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>>> > Assigned
>>> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
>>> > Department
>>> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
>>> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>>> >
>>> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
>>> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
>>> > States
>>> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
>>> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
>>> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
>>> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
>>> behalf
>>> > of all nations.
>>> >
>>> > The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
>>> > Internet is th

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Marco Coelho]

I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a
President.  5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan,
20% Bush Jr., 25% ??  Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend?



Marco

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
> need him?!!!  :)
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>
> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>
> Now he's really pissing me off.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
> the
>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
>> attempt to hack into our networks.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito > >wrote:
>>
>> > >From NewsMax:
>> >
>> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>> >
>> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>> >
>> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
>> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>> today.
>> >
>> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
>> Web
>> > from the United States to foreign powers.
>> >
>> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
>> of
>> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>> > working
>> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
>> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
>> of
>> > "open-architecture networking."
>> >
>> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
>> > Internet.
>> >
>> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>> worldwide
>> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
>> and
>> > how we communicate in it.
>> >
>> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
>> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>> >
>> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>> > identifier
>> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
> to
>> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>> process
>> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
> the
>> > Internet.
>> >
>> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>> > sharing,
>> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
>> set
>> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
>> > the
>> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>> >
>> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
>> > service the Internet.
>> >
>> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>> > Assigned
>> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
>> > Department
>> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
>> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>> >
>> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
>> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>> >
>> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
>> > States
>> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
>> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
>> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
>> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
>> behalf
>> > of all nations.
>> >
>> > The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
>> > Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and
>> a
>> > dependent form of international communications, that it would be
>> dangerous
>> > and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
>> >
>> > Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
>> > administration, through the Department of Commerce, ag

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Robert West]

I liked him.  Voted for him.  Now, had enough of him.  Where's LBJ when we
need him?!!!  :)

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.

Now he's really pissing me off.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
the
> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
> attempt to hack into our networks.
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >wrote:
>
> > >From NewsMax:
> >
> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >
> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >
> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
> today.
> >
> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
> Web
> > from the United States to foreign powers.
> >
> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
> of
> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> > working
> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
> of
> > "open-architecture networking."
> >
> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> > Internet.
> >
> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
> worldwide
> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
> and
> > how we communicate in it.
> >
> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >
> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> > identifier
> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
to
> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
> process
> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> > sharing,
> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
> set
> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
> > the
> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >
> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> > service the Internet.
> >
> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> > Assigned
> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> > Department
> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
> >
> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
> >
> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
> > States
> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
> behalf
> > of all nations.
> >
> > The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
> > Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and
> a
> > dependent form of international communications, that it would be
> dangerous
> > and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
> >
> > Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
> > administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
> > some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration
has
> > agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries
> on
> > IANA.
> >
> > This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap
> for
> > surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and
> > responsibility to control and manage.
> >
> > It is in Ameri

Re: [WISPA] power

[Robert West]

Yeah, I'd marry you but you're a dude.

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] power

I've had the same experiences. Like I said before, our WISP's are simular :)
-RickG

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's.  Just
> adjust the power when you need to.  I have some AP's that have clients
> connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is
> better from one further out.   I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print
> per AP due to trees.  We have a different terrain as you do, lots of open
> flat area but small stand of trees here and there.  I can do AP's low to
> the
> ground, say, 55 feet to 80 feet but due to small wood lots I put in Ap's
> about 3 or 4 miles apart, gives me complete coverage even if I have to
> catch
> the signal from an AP 5 or 6 miles down the line.  But, as you are doing,
a
> couple of pac grids, bullet and AP  the cost is minimal.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:57 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] power
>
> Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level
is?
> I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
> > I have a few like that.  Cheap and quick for low density population.
Use
> a
> > pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP.  Check
> your
> > polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio.  My
> > grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well.  Vertical of course!
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] power
> >
> > OK, I need a little input. I've got several "poor mans repeaters" around
> by
> > using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP.
> Today,
> > I
> > installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from
> the
> > AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he
> got
> > 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial
> basis
> > or is there some kind of method to it?
> > -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Glenn Kelley]

The problem with politicians is simple.

They have stopped thinking along the lines of what is right and wrong morally
Instead - they think along the lines of legality:  is this legal or illegal. 

If there is no law to stop something - then its considered legal - even if 
morally wrong!

In seminary I had to study words a whole bunch - amazing what you learn when 
you break apart a word down to its roots... 

Poli Tics   = Multi  Bloodsuckers ;-)



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On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:57 PM, MDK wrote:

> The multi-party systems develop the same problems as two-party systems... 
> They become cloistered, inbred, and eventually run by a network of insiders, 
> by, for, and for the benefit of, themselves.
> 
> Just replacing insiders with another crop of insiders is pointless.You 
> need people with integrity, conscience, and common sense.
> 
> When was the last time you saw a good party hack with those qualities?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:29 AM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
> 
>> There's nothing wrong with the two party system.  The problem is the 
>> people that are in the two party system.
>> 
>> Vote the career politicians out of office.  This goes for both 
>> parties...in fact I view many of the incumbent Republicans in a dimmer 
>> light than the Democrats.  Any Republican that has strayed too far from 
>> conservative core values needs to go IMO.
>> 
>> Brad
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>> 
>> I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course
>> there wold have to actually be more than our current two party
>> majority system.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>> I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>>> 
>>> It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to 
>>> continue
>>> that counts.”
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Josh
 
 How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
 matters?
 
 I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
 
 Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
 
 
 On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
> 
> Now he's really pissing me off.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
> 
>> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>> (USA) give
>> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>> case of the
>> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>> used to
>> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>> everyone
>> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
>> or
>> attempt to hack into our networks.
>> -RickG
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito > access.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
 From NewsMax:
>>> 
>>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> 
>>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> 
>>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
>>> investment of
>>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>> today.
>>> 
>>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
>>> the
>> Web
>>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> 
>>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
>>> genius work
>> of
>>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> working
>>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
>>> Projects
>>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
>>> the idea
>> of
>>> "open-architecture networking."
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[MDK]

The multi-party systems develop the same problems as two-party systems... 
They become cloistered, inbred, and eventually run by a network of insiders, 
by, for, and for the benefit of, themselves.

Just replacing insiders with another crop of insiders is pointless.You 
need people with integrity, conscience, and common sense.

When was the last time you saw a good party hack with those qualities?



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:29 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

> There's nothing wrong with the two party system.  The problem is the 
> people that are in the two party system.
>
> Vote the career politicians out of office.  This goes for both 
> parties...in fact I view many of the incumbent Republicans in a dimmer 
> light than the Democrats.  Any Republican that has strayed too far from 
> conservative core values needs to go IMO.
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>
> I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course
> there wold have to actually be more than our current two party
> majority system.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>>
>> It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to 
>> continue
>> that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>>> matters?
>>>
>>> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>>>
>>> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>> >
>>> > Now he's really pissing me off.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>> > continue
>>> > that counts.”
>>> > --- Winston Churchill
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>>> >> (USA) give
>>> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>>> >> case of the
>>> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>>> >> used to
>>> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>>> >> everyone
>>> >> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
>>> >> or
>>> >> attempt to hack into our networks.
>>> >> -RickG
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >> >> access.com
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>  From NewsMax:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
>>> >>> investment of
>>> >>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>>> >> today.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
>>> >>> the
>>> >> Web
>>> >>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
>>> >>> genius work
>>> >> of
>>> >>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> >>> working
>>> >>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
>>> >>> Projects
>>> >>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
>>> >>> the idea
>>> >> of
>>> >>> "open-architecture networking."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Internet.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>>> >> worldwide
>>> >>> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
>>> >>> world
>>> >> and
>>> >>> how we communicate in it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>>> >>> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
>>> >>> network of
>>> >>> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>>> >>> identifier
>>> >>> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
>>> >>> computer to
>>> >>> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>>> >> 

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Marco Coelho]

The only way in this country for the forseeable future is for
something like the Tea Party to put enough candidates into both partys
to take over and pass some serious reforms.  Term Limits, Tort reform,
Constitutional balanced budget amendment (with a provision to kick
them all out of office if they don't).

Although I would pay more in tax, I would like to see all government
fees and taxes constitutionally abolished and replaced with a flat
sales tax at the point of sales only.  No damn VAT tax where they hide
the true tax.

My 0.02 anyway.




On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:27 AM, RickG  wrote:
> One day soon - either Ron Paul or someone like him. As soon as enough people
> get pissed off. -RickG
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I was going to vote but then I realized there was no space for Ron Paul.
>>
>> On 2/2/10, Eje Gustafsson  wrote:
>> > Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that
>> > don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter
>> > because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes.
>> >
>> > Look at the 2008 President election
>> > State    Margin
>> > Missouri 0.14%
>> > NC       0.32%
>> > Indiana  1.04%
>> > NE 2nd cong dist 1.19%
>> > MT       2.25%
>> > Florida  2.82%
>> > Ohio     4.59% (your state)
>> > These states represented 88 electoral votes
>> >
>> > States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented
>> > another 64 electoral votes.
>> >
>> > Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do
>> NOT
>> > count.
>> >
>> > I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
>> > themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63%
>> of
>> > those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for
>> > president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter
>> increase
>> > over previous election.
>> > There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered.
>> >
>> > Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm
>> > original from there)
>> > In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not
>> > only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no
>> > obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a "registered voter".
>> In
>> > the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or
>> king
>> > with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn
>> out
>> > to vote.
>> >
>> > So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote.
>> Go
>> > vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well.
>> Your
>> > voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri
>> that
>> > are today glad they voted to show the color of their state.
>> > North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had
>> > voted.
>> >
>> > Alright of my soap box.
>> >
>> > Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;)
>> >
>> > / Eje
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>> >
>> > I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>> >
>> > It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> continue
>> > that counts."
>> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Josh
>> >>
>> >> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>> >> matters?
>> >>
>> >> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>> >>
>> >> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now he's really pissing me off.
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> >> > continue
>> >> > that counts."
>> >> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>> >> >> (USA) give
>> >> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>> >> >> case of the
>> >> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>> >> >> used to
>> >> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>> >> 

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Mike Hammett]

Indeed.  I am a conservative, but anyone that stays too far from their 
party's intent is worse for their party than the other is to that intent.

I think everyone should have a sign over their heads that says if they voted 
or not, relative to what they're talking about.  If they didn’t vote (and 
had an opportunity), then they should be ignored.  This goes for anything 
political, your local chamber of commerce, WISPA, etc.  I did vote in the 
last WISPA election, so I have the right to bitch if I don't like the way 
something is being handled.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brad Belton" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:29 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

> There's nothing wrong with the two party system.  The problem is the 
> people that are in the two party system.
>
> Vote the career politicians out of office.  This goes for both 
> parties...in fact I view many of the incumbent Republicans in a dimmer 
> light than the Democrats.  Any Republican that has strayed too far from 
> conservative core values needs to go IMO.
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Philip Dorr
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
>
> I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course
> there wold have to actually be more than our current two party
> majority system.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>>
>> It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to 
>> continue
>> that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>>> matters?
>>>
>>> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>>>
>>> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>> >
>>> > Now he's really pissing me off.
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>> > continue
>>> > that counts.”
>>> > --- Winston Churchill
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>>> >> (USA) give
>>> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>>> >> case of the
>>> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>>> >> used to
>>> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>>> >> everyone
>>> >> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
>>> >> or
>>> >> attempt to hack into our networks.
>>> >> -RickG
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >> >> access.com
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>  From NewsMax:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>>> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
>>> >>> investment of
>>> >>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>>> >> today.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
>>> >>> the
>>> >> Web
>>> >>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
>>> >>> genius work
>>> >> of
>>> >>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>>> >>> working
>>> >>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
>>> >>> Projects
>>> >>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
>>> >>> the idea
>>> >> of
>>> >>> "open-architecture networking."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Internet.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>>> >> worldwide
>>> >>> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
>>> >>> world
>>> >> and
>>> >>> how we communicate in it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>>> >>> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
>>> >>> network of
>>> >>> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The servers woulduse a series of g

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Brian Webster]

That's something that has always irked me. Congress got the ball rolling when 
the term limits were created for the office of the President, yet we cannot get 
that same body to set limits for themselvesmakes you wonder.

The other part of this that bothers me, is how clueless the American people are 
when it comes to voting for congressional and state representatives in the 
district they live in. If people want change they have NO CHOICE but to pull 
the lever against the incumbent in their own districts. I don't care how good a 
job they might be doing, as a citizen you may hate and disapprove of every 
other representative, but you have NO RIGHT to vote those others out of office 
by virtue of WHERE you are registered to vote. The politicians know this very 
well. This is why you see all kinds of obscure grants and government projects 
get approved with oversized checks and press conferences just before an 
election. These are what congress calls member line item projects, others call 
them pork barrel projects. The reality is they are buying votes for those who 
pull the lever and have short term memory.

It breeds politicians who think they are invincible and not accountable to the 
people, but rather to the political system in the houses where they hold seats. 
If the public were to en masse vote every incumbent out of office, it MIGHT 
give a wake up call to these folks that they should answer to their 
constituents rather than the dysfunctional system they do today.

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I normally try to stay out of any political 
discussion on these lists



Thank You,
Brian Webster



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article


There's nothing wrong with the two party system.  The problem is the people 
that are in the two party system.  

Vote the career politicians out of office.  This goes for both parties...in 
fact I view many of the incumbent Republicans in a dimmer light than the 
Democrats.  Any Republican that has strayed too far from conservative core 
values needs to go IMO.

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course
there wold have to actually be more than our current two party
majority system.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>
> It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>
>> Josh
>>
>> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>> matters?
>>
>> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>>
>> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>> >
>> > Now he's really pissing me off.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> > continue
>> > that counts.”
>> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>> >> (USA) give
>> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>> >> case of the
>> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>> >> used to
>> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>> >> everyone
>> >> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
>> >> or
>> >> attempt to hack into our networks.
>> >> -RickG
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito > >> access.com
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>>  From NewsMax:
>> >>>
>> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>> >>>
>> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>> >>>
>> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
>> >>> investment of
>> >>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>> >> today.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
>> >>> the
>> >> Web
>> >>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
>> >>> genius work
>> >> of
>> >>> Americans Dr.Robe

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Jon Auer]

This isn't really that big of a deal.
The DNS root servers just refer to the top level domain servers.
All transferring control to the ITU would enable is they could add new
TLDs through whichever process they want.
Note that policy control of the root servers does not translate into
operational control of the root servers.
The root server operators (http://www.root-servers.org/) diverse
enough that I doubt the UN or whoever could get away with removing a
TLD pointer.

Example: Cogent hosts a root server farm. Lets say the ITU wants to
remove the pointer to .com. Do you really think Cogent would allow
that change to go through (or not reverse the change) since most of
their customers would get pissed off that their favorite web sites
don't come up?

Control over pointers to .com/.tw/etc does not convey censorship
ability on domains below the TLD.

If you want something to be alarmed about with regards to ITU/UN
control over the internet take a look at attempts to get their claws
into IPv6 address assignments:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing/

P.S. Write in Ron Paul!

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> >From NewsMax:
>
> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>
> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>
> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today.
>
> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web
> from the United States to foreign powers.
>
> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of
> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working
> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of
> "open-architecture networking."
>
> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> Internet.
>
> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide
> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and
> how we communicate in it.
>
> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>
> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier
> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to
> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process
> of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka, the
> Internet.
>
> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing,
> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set
> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the
> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>
> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> service the Internet.
>
> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned
> Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department
> of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
> addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
>
> In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
> person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
>
> For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States
> to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
> international body such as the United Nations or even the International
> Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
> telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf
> of all nations.
>
> The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
> Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a
> dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous
> and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.
>
> Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
> administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
> some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has
> agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries on
> IANA.
>
> This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for
> surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and
> responsibility to control and manage.
>
> It is in America's economic and national security interests not to
> relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and
> functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inven

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Glenn Kelley]

Thank you Eje:

Sadly I fear, many folks do not understand or take into account how important 
our personal role is in the government. 
- until recently perhaps 

Thank you for the reminder. 

Now back to wireless chat :-) 


_
Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com 
  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:06 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote:

> Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that
> don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter
> because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. 
> 
> Look at the 2008 President election
> StateMargin
> Missouri 0.14% 
> NC   0.32% 
> Indiana  1.04%
> NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% 
> MT   2.25%
> Florida  2.82% 
> Ohio 4.59% (your state)
> These states represented 88 electoral votes
> 
> States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented
> another 64 electoral votes.
> 
> Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT
> count. 
> 
> I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
> themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of
> those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for
> president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase
> over previous election.
> There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. 
> 
> Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm
> original from there)
> In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not
> only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no
> obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a "registered voter". In
> the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or king
> with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn out
> to vote. 
> 
> So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go
> vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your
> voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that
> are today glad they voted to show the color of their state.
> North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had
> voted.
> 
> Alright of my soap box.
> 
> Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) 
> 
> / Eje
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
> 
> I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
> 
> It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> 
>> Josh
>> 
>> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>> matters?
>> 
>> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>> 
>> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>>> You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>>> 
>>> Now he's really pissing me off.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>> continue
>>> that counts."
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>> 
 I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
 (USA) give
 things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
 case of the
 net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
 used to
 attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
 everyone
 connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
 or
 attempt to hack into our networks.
 -RickG
 
 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito >>> access.com
> wrote:
 
>> From NewsMax:
> 
> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> 
> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> 
> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
> investment of
> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
 today.
> 
> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
> the
 Web
> from the United States to foreign powers.
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Jeff Broadwick]

I think this will be Obama's "Panama Canal"... 


Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
+1 574-935-8484 x106  (Int'l)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

>From NewsMax:

Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers

Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size  
By: Bradley A. Blakeman

Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today.

Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web
from the United States to foreign powers.

Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of
Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working
for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of
"open-architecture networking."

This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
Internet.

These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide
computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and
how we communicate in it.

They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
(TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
servers would allow users to communicate with others.

The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier
and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to
computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process
of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka, the
Internet.

Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing,
cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set
off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the
U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.

The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
service the Internet.

Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department
of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.

In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
person or entity would not have access to the Internet.

For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States
to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
international body such as the United Nations or even the International
Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf
of all nations.

The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a
dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous
and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.

Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has
agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries on
IANA.

This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for
surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and
responsibility to control and manage.

It is in America's economic and national security interests not to
relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and
functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and most
powerful communications network.

What better country to protect the Internet than the United States?

We invented it, and we paid for the research and implementation that made it
possible. We are the freest, most tolerant nation on earth, we believe in
the fundamental right of free speech, and we practice a free market of
commerce and ideas.

America has always been against censorship and has shared its invention with
the world without fee or unreasonable or arbitrary restriction. The user fee
to operate on the Internet is not one paid to the U.S. government; a
consumer pays it to private Internet companies, who provide access to the
Internet through servers for their subscribers.

Look no further than China's recent move against Google to censor the
Internet, and you can envision what can happen when other nations less free
than the United States seek to control the Internet beyond even thei

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Jeff Broadwick]

Agreed Eje!  I will say that if one doesn't bother to inform themselves
about issues and the candidates, I don't mind that person staying home. 

If you think your vote doesn't count, just look at FL in 2000...

I often wonder about the "percentage of registered voter" stats...I mean,
how do they really know since Motor Voter made it almost impossible to clean
up the rolls.

Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
+1 574-935-8484 x106  (Int'l)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:07 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that
don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter
because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. 

Look at the 2008 President election
StateMargin
Missouri 0.14% 
NC   0.32% 
Indiana  1.04%
NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% 
MT   2.25%
Florida  2.82% 
Ohio 4.59% (your state)
These states represented 88 electoral votes

States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented
another 64 electoral votes.

Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT
count. 

I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of
those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for
president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase
over previous election.
There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. 

Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm
original from there) In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once
your 18 you are not only eligible to vote but your expected to vote.
Consider there is no obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a
"registered voter". In the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't
have a president or king with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and
highest 91.8% turn out to vote. 

So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go
vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your
voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that
are today glad they voted to show the color of their state.
North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had
voted.

Alright of my soap box.

Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I have not voted to this day, to be honest.

It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:

> Josh
>
> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly 
> matters?
>
> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>
> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
> >
> > Now he's really pissing me off.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to 
> > continue that counts."
> > --- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
> >
> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
> >> (USA) give
> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the 
> >> case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed 
> >> is being used to attack our government and our people in so many 
> >> ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start 
> >> cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks.
> >> -RickG
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >> access.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
>  From NewsMax:
> >>>
> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >>>
> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >>>
> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the 
> >>> investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, 
> >>> as we now know it
> >> today.
> >>>
> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of 
> >>> the
> >> Web
> >>> from the United States to foreign p

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Brad Belton]

There's nothing wrong with the two party system.  The problem is the people 
that are in the two party system.  

Vote the career politicians out of office.  This goes for both parties...in 
fact I view many of the incumbent Republicans in a dimmer light than the 
Democrats.  Any Republican that has strayed too far from conservative core 
values needs to go IMO.

Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course
there wold have to actually be more than our current two party
majority system.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I have not voted to this day, to be honest.
>
> It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>
>> Josh
>>
>> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
>> matters?
>>
>> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>>
>> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
>> >
>> > Now he's really pissing me off.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>> > continue
>> > that counts.”
>> > --- Winston Churchill
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
>> >> (USA) give
>> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
>> >> case of the
>> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
>> >> used to
>> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
>> >> everyone
>> >> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
>> >> or
>> >> attempt to hack into our networks.
>> >> -RickG
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito > >> access.com
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>>  From NewsMax:
>> >>>
>> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
>> >>>
>> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
>> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
>> >>>
>> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
>> >>> investment of
>> >>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
>> >> today.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
>> >>> the
>> >> Web
>> >>> from the United States to foreign powers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
>> >>> genius work
>> >> of
>> >>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
>> >>> working
>> >>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
>> >>> Projects
>> >>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
>> >>> the idea
>> >> of
>> >>> "open-architecture networking."
>> >>>
>> >>> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
>> >>> the
>> >>> Internet.
>> >>>
>> >>> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
>> >> worldwide
>> >>> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
>> >>> world
>> >> and
>> >>> how we communicate in it.
>> >>>
>> >>> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
>> >>> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
>> >>> network of
>> >>> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
>> >>>
>> >>> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
>> >>> identifier
>> >>> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
>> >>> computer to
>> >>> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
>> >> process
>> >>> of communication became know as the "information super highway,"
>> >>> aka, the
>> >>> Internet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
>> >>> sharing,
>> >>> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
>> >>> administration
>> >> set
>> >>> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the
>> >>> Internet by
>> >>> the
>> >>> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
>> >>>
>> >>> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
>> >>> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers
>> >>> that
>> >>> service the Internet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
>> >>> Assigned
>> >

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Brad Belton]

If you don't vote than what makes you think you deserve to be heard here or
anywhere for that matter?

Get informed & vote.  It does make a difference.


Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I have not voted to this day, to be honest.

It is the masses and "the public" that votes and they well out number me.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:

> Josh
>
> How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
> matters?
>
> I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.
>
> Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> > You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
> >
> > Now he's really pissing me off.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> > continue
> > that counts."
> > --- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:
> >
> >> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
> >> (USA) give
> >> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
> >> case of the
> >> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
> >> used to
> >> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
> >> everyone
> >> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
> >> or
> >> attempt to hack into our networks.
> >> -RickG
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >> access.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
>  From NewsMax:
> >>>
> >>> Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >>>
> >>> Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> >>> By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >>>
> >>> Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
> >>> investment of
> >>> U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
> >> today.
> >>>
> >>> Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
> >>> the
> >> Web
> >>> from the United States to foreign powers.
> >>>
> >>> Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
> >>> genius work
> >> of
> >>> Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> >>> working
> >>> for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
> >>> Projects
> >>> Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
> >>> the idea
> >> of
> >>> "open-architecture networking."
> >>>
> >>> This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
> >>> the
> >>> Internet.
> >>>
> >>> These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
> >> worldwide
> >>> computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
> >>> world
> >> and
> >>> how we communicate in it.
> >>>
> >>> They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> >>> (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
> >>> network of
> >>> servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >>>
> >>> The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> >>> identifier
> >>> and connect networks to networks, passing on information from
> >>> computer to
> >>> computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
> >> process
> >>> of communication became know as the "information super highway,"
> >>> aka, the
> >>> Internet.
> >>>
> >>> Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> >>> sharing,
> >>> cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama
> >>> administration
> >> set
> >>> off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the
> >>> Internet by
> >>> the
> >>> U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >>>
> >>> The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> >>> management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers
> >>> that
> >>> service the Internet.
> >>>
> >>> Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> >>> Assigned
> >>> Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> >>> Department
> >>> of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the
> >>> DNS, IP
> >>> addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
> >>>
> >>> In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet
> >>> protocols, a
> >>> person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
> >>>
> >>> For years, the international community has been pressuring the
> >>> United
> >>> States
> >>> to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want
> >>> an