Re: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

[Philip Dorr]

That is almost asking to win a Darwin award.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Forbes Mercy
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> My other favorite picture is when someone puts a ladder in a bucket,
> elevates it then climbs further... truly Darwinian..
>
> On 3/3/2010 6:50 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>> OK...  I think this is self explanatory.
>>
>> I looked real good in the other pictures but I don't see Marlon
>> anywhere  ROFLOL!
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Re: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

[Forbes Mercy]

My other favorite picture is when someone puts a ladder in a bucket, 
elevates it then climbs further... truly Darwinian..

On 3/3/2010 6:50 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> OK...  I think this is self explanatory.
>
> I looked real good in the other pictures but I don't see Marlon 
> anywhere  ROFLOL!
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

Honestly, they don't care what you do with it as long as you pay the bill.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Not sure about other states but here in Ohio I was told that there is a law
on the books that says no business can stop you from re-selling their
business type service's. Talked to several Time Warner reps that confirmed
this and I know of 3 WISPS in the area here that were re-selling the
business class cable that they told Time Warner they were going to do with
it and they said no problem.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Chuxk ia correct Time Warner cable service has a no resale clause.

---
Justin Wilson 

On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and  
> it
> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> Kurt,
>
> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> (sigh...)
> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> that
> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> It's
> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> folks
> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> look
> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up  
> service
> and
> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> since
> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> regulations.
> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field  
> not
> near
> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>
> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales  
> person
> to
> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router  
> on
> the
> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>
>
>
> Or what have you been quoted.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

Exactly.  

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

There is nothing in paper but we just asked our rep for an email saying it
was verbally understood.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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that counts."
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Justin Wilson.net  wrote:

> Chuxk ia correct Time Warner cable service has a no resale clause.
>
> ---
> Justin Wilson 
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
> > I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> > might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
> > it
> > had a restriction that it could not be resold.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck Hogg
> > Shelby Broadband
> > 502-722-9292
> > ch...@shelbybb.com
> > http://www.shelbybb.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Robert West
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> > (sigh...)
> > is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> > that
> > it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> > It's
> > administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> > folks
> > but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> > look
> > for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
> > service
> > and
> > it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> > since
> > I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> > regulations.
> > One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
> > not
> > near
> > any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> > corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
> >
> > Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
> > person
> > to
> > throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
> > on
> > the
> > thing, their supplied router sucks.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
> >
> > What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> > weather it
> > be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
> >
> >
> >
> > Or what have you been quoted.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

That's what I do.  WDS, plug it in, Velcro it to the wall.  Done.

Bob-



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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
hardwire - any drawbacks?
(I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

Not where I am here in Ohio.  Maybe the residential but not the business
class.  How else would a hotel resell the internet or a hotspot provider?
I've had Time Warner put in writing that they understand that I am an ISP
and I resell bandwidth.  They are all for it.

Bob-



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Behalf Of Justin Wilson.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Chuxk ia correct Time Warner cable service has a no resale clause.

---
Justin Wilson 

On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and  
> it
> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> Kurt,
>
> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> (sigh...)
> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> that
> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> It's
> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> folks
> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> look
> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up  
> service
> and
> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> since
> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> regulations.
> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field  
> not
> near
> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>
> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales  
> person
> to
> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router  
> on
> the
> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>
>
>
> Or what have you been quoted.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

[Robert West]

Ya know, the real funny thing for me with this picture is that I thought of
the same thing for two grain legs I need to access.  The ladder up is on the
peak of a metal roof all covered with ice and snow so I thought of taking a
long ladder or two to put on the ice.  I have no life insurance, thus I have
not attempted it.  

Maybe after a few drinks...

Bob-



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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:51 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

OK...  I think this is self explanatory.

I looked real good in the other pictures but I don't see Marlon anywhere
ROFLOL!

-B-





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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels.  Never had an issue
with it.

Bob-


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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
Doesnt it cause issues if you do?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
wrote:
> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

Josh, you got that right.  They just turn into a middle man.  Been there.  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

TWC reps are region based.  I've found them useless outside of their region.

On 3/3/10, KosiNet Wireless  wrote:
> Where I'm at it's Rock Solid - I'm on their Fiber Network, and getting 10+
> Meg both ways for less than I was paying for my 2 Bonded T-1's. I've got a
> full Class C of IP's, and can get more if I need them.
>
> I've got a pretty good Rep at TW. If you're interested Kurt, contact me
> off-list and I'll get you hooked up for a quote.
>
> -Gary-
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
>
>> Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the
>> system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not
>> reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the
>> highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses
>> also pulling from that location.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
>>> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
>>> it
>>> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
>>> (sigh...)
>>> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
>>> that
>>> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
>>> It's
>>> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
>>> folks
>>> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
>>> look
>>> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
>>> service
>>> and
>>> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
>>> since
>>> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
>>> regulations.
>>> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
>>> not
>>> near
>>> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
>>> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>>>
>>> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
>>> person
>>> to
>>> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
>>> on
>>> the
>>> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
>>> weather it
>>> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or what have you been quoted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

Here Time Warner installed a new fiber network for their cable use and are
using the old fiber as the business class so I haven't had any issues with
those gateways.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the  
system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not  
reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the  
highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses  
also pulling from that location.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and  
> it
> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> Kurt,
>
> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> (sigh...)
> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> that
> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> It's
> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> folks
> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> look
> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up  
> service
> and
> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> since
> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> regulations.
> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field  
> not
> near
> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>
> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales  
> person
> to
> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router  
> on
> the
> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>
>
>
> Or what have you been quoted.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

I had the sales rep specifically go to his higher up whatever
extraterrestrial alien types to ask if it could be resold.  The answer was
yes, as long as reselling bandwidth was the business.  SCORE!  The contract
does not mention reselling at all, only that it is being used as a home
based business.  At least here in Ohio it is worded that way.  I have
another being installed as soon as our new sales person decides he wants to
do something.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and it
had a restriction that it could not be resold.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Kurt,

A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
(sigh...)
is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
that
it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
It's
administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
folks
but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
look
for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up service
and
it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
since
I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
regulations.
One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field not
near
any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.  

Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales person
to
throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router on
the
thing, their supplied router sucks.

Bob-




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
weather it
be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???

 

Or what have you been quoted.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 






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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

Funny how that "FIX" seems to work most of the time.

Bob-

"It don't have no switch!"

Right..  Whatever



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

According to the call center tickets (which are EXCELLENTLY kept up) that
accounted for 75% of all calls the month I checked.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP.
>
> "Turn on the wireless on your laptop".
>
> And later we hear.
>
> "Oh, I didn't know it has a switch..."
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
> them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need
to
> replace one use inssider or netstumbler.
>
> I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better
then
> the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
> non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
> wrote:
>
> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > > same ssid = yes
> > > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > > wds = no
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

I'm in Southern Ohio.  Administered by the Columbus Time Warner office.

Bob-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Rob,

What state is this in?

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Kurt,

A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner (sigh...)
is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is that
it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.  It's
administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner folks
but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go look
for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up service and
it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and since
I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their regulations.
One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field not near
any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.  

Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales person to
throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router on the
thing, their supplied router sucks.

Bob-




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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth weather it
be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???

 

Or what have you been quoted.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Not sure about other states but here in Ohio I was told that there is a law
on the books that says no business can stop you from re-selling their
business type service's. Talked to several Time Warner reps that confirmed
this and I know of 3 WISPS in the area here that were re-selling the
business class cable that they told Time Warner they were going to do with
it and they said no problem.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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Behalf Of Justin Wilson.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Chuxk ia correct Time Warner cable service has a no resale clause.

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Justin Wilson 

On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and  
> it
> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> Kurt,
>
> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> (sigh...)
> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> that
> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> It's
> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> folks
> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> look
> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up  
> service
> and
> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> since
> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> regulations.
> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field  
> not
> near
> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>
> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales  
> person
> to
> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router  
> on
> the
> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>
>
>
> Or what have you been quoted.
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
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> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Don't daisy chain APs unless you absolutely must.

What I'm suggesting you use WDS for is if the APs support WDS, and using a
MT in station-wds mode (say the guest doesn't have a wireless card) and you
want the guest's MAC in your tracking database rather then the MT bridge.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM, RickG  wrote:

> That makes sense. Sometimes wiring can really suck or is impossible.
> If you dont need all that bandwidth, WDS may be the ticket.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
> > Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2..
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
> >
> > How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
> > hardwire - any drawbacks?
> > (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
> >  wrote:
> >> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
> >>
> >> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
> >>
> >> Why not WDS?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
> >>  wrote:
> >>> same ssid = yes
> >>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> >>> wds = no
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >>>
>  I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>  3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>  all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>  the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> 
>  Steve Barnes
>  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Josh Luthman]

There is nothing in paper but we just asked our rep for an email saying it
was verbally understood.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Justin Wilson.net  wrote:

> Chuxk ia correct Time Warner cable service has a no resale clause.
>
> ---
> Justin Wilson 
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
> > I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> > might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
> > it
> > had a restriction that it could not be resold.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck Hogg
> > Shelby Broadband
> > 502-722-9292
> > ch...@shelbybb.com
> > http://www.shelbybb.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Robert West
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> > (sigh...)
> > is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> > that
> > it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> > It's
> > administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> > folks
> > but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> > look
> > for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
> > service
> > and
> > it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> > since
> > I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> > regulations.
> > One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
> > not
> > near
> > any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> > corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
> >
> > Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
> > person
> > to
> > throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
> > on
> > the
> > thing, their supplied router sucks.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
> >
> > What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> > weather it
> > be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
> >
> >
> >
> > Or what have you been quoted.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

That makes sense. Sometimes wiring can really suck or is impossible.
If you dont need all that bandwidth, WDS may be the ticket.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2..
>
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
> hardwire - any drawbacks?
> (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>>
>> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>>
>> Why not WDS?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> same ssid = yes
>>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>>> wds = no
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>>
 I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
 all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
 the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

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Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2.. 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
hardwire - any drawbacks?
(I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Dennis Burgess]

Correct, and no point in putting in high power cards either! 


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the value of enabling WDS. A
client is a client, be it a Wifi card, USB card, or Wireless Ethernet
adapter.

Keep it simple.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to
bridge
the customer's laptop.  Several properties we have offer bridges so that
people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can
get
online.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
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> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of RickG
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> Why not WDS?
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> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
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> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
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> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> >> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to
set
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> >> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not
hardwire - any drawbacks?
(I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :)

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>>
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>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

So, any reason not to use the same SSID then?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Every device I've used picks the "best" AP.  It jumps between APs decently
> with Intel (lose some packets here or there but you maintain your
> connections as it's on the same network) and Atheros is flawless.  YMMV.
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> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
>> Doesnt it cause issues if you do?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
>> wrote:
>> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
>> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
>> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
>> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
>> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
>> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
>> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
>> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
>> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Kristian
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> >> same ssid = yes
>> >> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> >> wds = no
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> >> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> >> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> >> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] logmein.com - hamachi

[RickG]

It looks like the customer chose port 25 - off the logmein.com support website:

How do I set a static port for incoming traffic?

In some circumstances, you may need to set a static TCP or UDP port
for Hamachi2 to use when accepting connections.  This is most commonly
needed when you have a computer behind a router/NAT that doesn't
support NAT, or its support of NAT is poor.  In this case, you would
need to set up a static port forward on the router/NAT, and then fix a
static port in Hamachi2.

For Port Fowarding, (please note that every device is different) very
detailed info per device can be found on PortForward.com.  If you are
setting up port forwards, it is easiest to set them up for both TCP
and UDP protocols, and to keep them the same number.
Hamachi2 Configuration for Windows

* Click System option.
* Select Preferences.
* Click the Settings button.
* If you are in the Basic Settings view, click the Advanced
Settings link at the bottom.
* Scroll down to the Peer Connections section, and enter the port
values you set up in your port forward settings of the router/NAT in
the Local TCP Address and Local UDP Address.
* You do not need to enter an IP Address, just the port number
into the short box. See note below
* Restart Hamachi2.

note Note:
You do need to enter an IP Address if you have more than one active
Internet connection.  Enter the IP Address of the Local Adaptor you
wish Hamachi2 to connect through.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Looks like it uses 17771/udp
>
> http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Firewall:General
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>
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> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:44 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Since having a rash of customers with viruses causing their email
>> software to spam, I've been sensitive when high port 25 usage shows up
>> on the firewall. I've got a customer who recently had the issue but
>> claimed it was not a virus since he uses a mac. He said it was his vpn
>> software causing it and sure enough when he turned it off the problem
>> went away. I'm still skeptical since I dont see where they utilize
>> port 25 on their
>> website
>> Any thoughts?
>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] logmein.com - hamachi

[RickG]

Ya, thats what I read too. I'm hoping someone had a thought why it
would possibly use port 25.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Looks like it uses 17771/udp
>
> http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Firewall:General
>
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:44 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Since having a rash of customers with viruses causing their email
>> software to spam, I've been sensitive when high port 25 usage shows up
>> on the firewall. I've got a customer who recently had the issue but
>> claimed it was not a virus since he uses a mac. He said it was his vpn
>> software causing it and sure enough when he turned it off the problem
>> went away. I'm still skeptical since I dont see where they utilize
>> port 25 on their
>> website
>> Any thoughts?
>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] How not to install an antenna

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Perfect for the OSHA files!!!

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
> OK...  I think this is self explanatory.
>
> I looked real good in the other pictures but I don't see Marlon anywhere
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Justin Wilson.net]

Chuxk ia correct Time Warner cable service has a no resale clause.

---
Justin Wilson 

On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and  
> it
> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>
> Regards,
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
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> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> Kurt,
>
> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> (sigh...)
> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> that
> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> It's
> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> folks
> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> look
> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up  
> service
> and
> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> since
> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> regulations.
> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field  
> not
> near
> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>
> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales  
> person
> to
> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router  
> on
> the
> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
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> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>
>
>
> Or what have you been quoted.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Jerry Richardson]

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the value of enabling WDS. A client 
is a client, be it a Wifi card, USB card, or Wireless Ethernet adapter.

Keep it simple.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to bridge
the customer's laptop.  Several properties we have offer bridges so that
people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can get
online.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>
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[WISPA] Networking question

[Jeremie Chism]

I know my fair share of networking but I leave our cisco routers to  
the professionals. One question. Not very long ago we switched to a  
new backbone provider. Before I could assign public IP addresses  
directly to routers or cpe. Now my netowrk guy said we have to do  
static nat. Why would this be?

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to bridge
the customer's laptop.  Several properties we have offer bridges so that
people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can get
online.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.
>
> Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> Why not WDS?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Jerry Richardson]

WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP.

Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

Why not WDS?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[RickG]

My experience as well.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:17 PM, KosiNet Wireless  wrote:
> Where I'm at it's Rock Solid - I'm on their Fiber Network, and getting 10+
> Meg both ways for less than I was paying for my 2 Bonded T-1's. I've got a
> full Class C of IP's, and can get more if I need them.
>
> I've got a pretty good Rep at TW. If you're interested Kurt, contact me
> off-list and I'll get you hooked up for a quote.
>
> -Gary-
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
>
>> Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the
>> system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not
>> reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the
>> highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses
>> also pulling from that location.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
>>> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
>>> it
>>> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
>>> (sigh...)
>>> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
>>> that
>>> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
>>> It's
>>> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
>>> folks
>>> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
>>> look
>>> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
>>> service
>>> and
>>> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
>>> since
>>> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
>>> regulations.
>>> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
>>> not
>>> near
>>> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
>>> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>>>
>>> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
>>> person
>>> to
>>> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
>>> on
>>> the
>>> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
>>> weather it
>>> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or what have you been quoted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[RickG]

Thats about what I'm paying here in KY.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Can't...resistit's spelled whether*
>
> I'm in Troy, hope that's close enough =)
>
> Fiber...
> 1500 for 20 meg
> 2100 for 40 meg (I'm thinking the bill says 38 meg but in reality I
> can do 40 meg consistently)
>
> Cable...
> All <10 meg and I've seen everything from $40 to $100
>
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
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>
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> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth weather it
>> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>>
>>
>>
>> Or what have you been quoted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
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Re: [WISPA] logmein.com - hamachi

[Josh Luthman]

Looks like it uses 17771/udp

http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Firewall:General

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:44 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Since having a rash of customers with viruses causing their email
> software to spam, I've been sensitive when high port 25 usage shows up
> on the firewall. I've got a customer who recently had the issue but
> claimed it was not a virus since he uses a mac. He said it was his vpn
> software causing it and sure enough when he turned it off the problem
> went away. I'm still skeptical since I dont see where they utilize
> port 25 on their
> website
> Any thoughts?
> -RickG
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[WISPA] logmein.com - hamachi

[RickG]

Since having a rash of customers with viruses causing their email
software to spam, I've been sensitive when high port 25 usage shows up
on the firewall. I've got a customer who recently had the issue but
claimed it was not a virus since he uses a mac. He said it was his vpn
software causing it and sure enough when he turned it off the problem
went away. I'm still skeptical since I dont see where they utilize
port 25 on their
website
Any thoughts?
-RickG



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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Every device I've used picks the "best" AP.  It jumps between APs decently
with Intel (lose some packets here or there but you maintain your
connections as it's on the same network) and Atheros is flawless.  YMMV.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
> Doesnt it cause issues if you do?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
> wrote:
> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> >> same ssid = yes
> >> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> >> wds = no
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> >> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> >> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> >> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >> >
> >> > Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's.
Doesnt it cause issues if you do?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> same ssid = yes
>> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
>> wds = no
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>>
>> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[KosiNet Wireless]

Yeah, met too. But this guy seems to be able to sell all over Ohio. I've 
worked with him on several projects, and he seems to be able to come up with 
the best pricing

-Gary-

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio


TWC reps are region based.  I've found them useless outside of their region.

On 3/3/10, KosiNet Wireless  wrote:
> Where I'm at it's Rock Solid - I'm on their Fiber Network, and getting 10+
> Meg both ways for less than I was paying for my 2 Bonded T-1's. I've got a
> full Class C of IP's, and can get more if I need them.
>
> I've got a pretty good Rep at TW. If you're interested Kurt, contact me
> off-list and I'll get you hooked up for a quote.
>
> -Gary-
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
>
>> Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the
>> system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not
>> reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the
>> highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses
>> also pulling from that location.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
>>> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
>>> it
>>> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
>>> (sigh...)
>>> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
>>> that
>>> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
>>> It's
>>> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
>>> folks
>>> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
>>> look
>>> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
>>> service
>>> and
>>> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
>>> since
>>> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
>>> regulations.
>>> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
>>> not
>>> near
>>> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
>>> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>>>
>>> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
>>> person
>>> to
>>> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
>>> on
>>> the
>>> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
>>> weather it
>>> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or what have you been quoted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

Why not WDS?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Josh Luthman]

TWC reps are region based.  I've found them useless outside of their region.

On 3/3/10, KosiNet Wireless  wrote:
> Where I'm at it's Rock Solid - I'm on their Fiber Network, and getting 10+
> Meg both ways for less than I was paying for my 2 Bonded T-1's. I've got a
> full Class C of IP's, and can get more if I need them.
>
> I've got a pretty good Rep at TW. If you're interested Kurt, contact me
> off-list and I'll get you hooked up for a quote.
>
> -Gary-
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
>
>> Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the
>> system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not
>> reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the
>> highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses
>> also pulling from that location.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
>>> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
>>> it
>>> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
>>> (sigh...)
>>> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
>>> that
>>> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
>>> It's
>>> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
>>> folks
>>> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
>>> look
>>> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
>>> service
>>> and
>>> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
>>> since
>>> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
>>> regulations.
>>> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
>>> not
>>> near
>>> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
>>> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>>>
>>> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
>>> person
>>> to
>>> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
>>> on
>>> the
>>> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>>
>>> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
>>> weather it
>>> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or what have you been quoted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[RickG]

The Pico2's are sweet!

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I'd use XR5s if you can, if not use R52H.  Depending on your cost you
> might want to use Ubnt for APs.
>
> I have not used MT APs but enabling it a one command extra work but
> could save you down the road for whatever reason...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411 
>> all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to 
>> bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there 
>> any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[KosiNet Wireless]

Where I'm at it's Rock Solid - I'm on their Fiber Network, and getting 10+ 
Meg both ways for less than I was paying for my 2 Bonded T-1's. I've got a 
full Class C of IP's, and can get more if I need them.

I've got a pretty good Rep at TW. If you're interested Kurt, contact me 
off-list and I'll get you hooked up for a quote.

-Gary-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio


> Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the
> system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not
> reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the
> highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses
> also pulling from that location.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
>> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
>> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and
>> it
>> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
>> (sigh...)
>> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
>> that
>> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
>> It's
>> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
>> folks
>> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
>> look
>> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up
>> service
>> and
>> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
>> since
>> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
>> regulations.
>> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field
>> not
>> near
>> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
>> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>>
>> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales
>> person
>> to
>> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router
>> on
>> the
>> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>>
>> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
>> weather it
>> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>>
>>
>>
>> Or what have you been quoted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?

[Steven G McGehee]

Thanks Ralph, yeah that 'xmrack.jpg' is precisely what I see in the 
penthouse of this building, too. I didn't get a chance to check out 
those EMR suits though, to see what material they're made of, but that's 
on the docket for tomorrow.

So on similar note, how many of you folks use Personal RF Monitors, and 
if so, what brands/models do you recommend? I just didn't know if 
NARDAlert was the go to brand for this or if others have had experience 
with alternate brands.

Thanks.



ralphlists wrote:
> I grabbed the photos and moved them over to our site.
> I thought they were a little better shots than they are, though.
>
> Try these links:
>
> The indoor transmitter with air conditioner  http://brightlan.net/xmrack.jpg
> Their elliptical 6" waveguide and connector
> http://brightlan.net/xmwaveguide.jpg
> Their elliptical waveguide, air dryer, and connector
> http://brightlan.net/xmwaveguide2.jpg
> Just their logo http://brightlan.net/xmlogo.jpg
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>
> It looks like his links are broken. Are you using IE or Firefox? From
> my Blackberry, the path appears to be servername\/xm/image.jpg, notice
> the double slash.
>
> On 3/3/10, ralphlists  wrote:
>   
>> Hmm
>> I just tried it again and they were OK.
>>
>> http://jawga.com/radio.php
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:59 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>>
>> Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking
>> at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all
>> of the pictures appear to be broken.
>>
>> As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who
>> reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a
>> total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they
>> can get up to.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ralphlists wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits.
>>> They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things
>>>   
> where
>   
>>> they don't want to get burned up.
>>>
>>> As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites.
>>> My friend put some pics on his web page.
>>> http://jawga.com/radio.php
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers.
>>>
>>> XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz
>>> To accomplish this,  XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power
>>> terrestrial repeaters.
>>> Each market will typically have dual repeaters at  2337.485 MHz and
>>>   
>> 2340.015
>> 
>>> MHz.
>>>  CAUTION:  STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO & SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS
>>> The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE
>>> OVEN!
>>> Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with "Nomex"
>>> or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why
>>> not? :-)
>>>
>>> Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how
>>> important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on
>>> the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations,
>>>   
>> etc.
>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Jeremie Chism]

Problem I had with Comcast/timewarner was with much of a load on the  
system it would lock up. Even as a backup connection it was not  
reliable where I am. And when I mean load, it wasn't much... At the  
highest 30 police cars limited to less than a Meg and some businesses  
also pulling from that location.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
> might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and  
> it
> had a restriction that it could not be resold.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
>
> Kurt,
>
> A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
> (sigh...)
> is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
> that
> it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
> It's
> administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
> folks
> but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
> look
> for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up  
> service
> and
> it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
> since
> I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
> regulations.
> One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field  
> not
> near
> any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
> corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.
>
> Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales  
> person
> to
> throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router  
> on
> the
> thing, their supplied router sucks.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio
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> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
> weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Chuck Hogg]

I swear I was told this service was not to be used to be resold.  I
might be wrong...but I saw a contract similar to that here in KY and it
had a restriction that it could not be resold.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Kurt,

A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner
(sigh...)
is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is
that
it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.
It's
administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner
folks
but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go
look
for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up service
and
it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and
since
I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their
regulations.
One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field not
near
any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.  

Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales person
to
throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router on
the
thing, their supplied router sucks.

Bob-




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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth
weather it
be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???

 

Or what have you been quoted.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 






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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Eje Gustafsson]

Got about 400 of the 30dB in just today (haven't yet been received into
inventory because we are still checking over to ensure we got everything we
were supposed to - three 40ft containers full of Ubnt gear).

/ Eje

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

The 30db RocketDish5 has been out for a few months, it's in stock most 
everywhere.

Regards
Michael Baird
> How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month?  Unless 
> you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due 
> out mid-month.  We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating 
> design flaw in the assembly their great!
>
> On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>   
>> Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to
>> use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused.
>>
>> I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if
>> anyone is interested.
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish
>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that
>>
>> I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>
>> 
>>> Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number
>>>  
>>>   
>> is
>>
>> 
>>> in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any
>>>  
>>>   
>> information
>>
>> 
>>> would help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>>
>>> atrimm...@precisionds.com
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>>> 317.831.3000
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[WISPA] Simms Texas???

[ralph]

Have a user in Simms, South of New Boston and SW of Texarkana. Can anyone
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

According to the call center tickets (which are EXCELLENTLY kept up) that
accounted for 75% of all calls the month I checked.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP.
>
> "Turn on the wireless on your laptop".
>
> And later we hear.
>
> "Oh, I didn't know it has a switch..."
>
> Bob-
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> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel
>
> It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
> them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need to
> replace one use inssider or netstumbler.
>
> I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better then
> the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
> non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
> wrote:
>
> > We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> > (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> > it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> > room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> > SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> > you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> > guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> > very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> > BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > > same ssid = yes
> > > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > > wds = no
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > > >
> > > > Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Rob,

What state is this in?

Kurt Fankhauser
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P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:23 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

Kurt,

A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner (sigh...)
is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is that
it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.  It's
administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner folks
but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go look
for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up service and
it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and since
I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their regulations.
One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field not near
any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.  

Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales person to
throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router on the
thing, their supplied router sucks.

Bob-




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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth weather it
be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???

 

Or what have you been quoted.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Robert West]

My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP.

"Turn on the wireless on your laptop".

And later we hear.

"Oh, I didn't know it has a switch..."  

Bob-

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel

It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need to
replace one use inssider or netstumbler.

I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better then
the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
wrote:

> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > >
> > > Steve Barnes
> > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > ---
> > > ---
> > > ---
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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Robert West]

Kurt,

A little known service provided by the fine folks at Time Warner (sigh...)
is their "Home Based Business" internet service.  The stipulation is that
it's installed in or at a home, not a retail or commercial address.  It's
administered by the Business Class office, not the regular road Runner folks
but the Business Class people have to be educated on it and made to go look
for it if you ask about it.  The bonus is, it's a 15 down, 2 up service and
it goes for 89 bucks.  I have 2 of them installed as a fall back and since
I'm considered "Home Based Business" it's all cool with their regulations.
One of the services is actually installed along the edge of a field not near
any home, I have it as a solar site.  The account is still with our
corporate account so the bill comes to the same place.  

Oh, and it comes with one static IP.  If you order, beg the sales person to
throw in another static for free so that you can put your own router on the
thing, their supplied router sucks.

Bob-




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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:26 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth weather it
be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???

 

Or what have you been quoted.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to
them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can.  Should you need to
replace one use inssider or netstumbler.

I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar "hotel 1" because it's better then
the 5 bar "hotel 2".  Maybe I just don't have much faith in the
non-technical crowd that is hotel residents.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:

> We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
> (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
> it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
> room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
> SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
> you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
> guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
> very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
> BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > same ssid = yes
> > same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> > wds = no
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> >
> > > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
> > > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
> > > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
> > > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs
(e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2).  The benefit to the latter is that
it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of
room and AP locations.  If people in room X can't see the AP with the
SSID "Hotel Name 2" even though you know they're right next to it, then
you know you have a problem with an AP.  You lose the ability for hotel
guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen
very often.  If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the
BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see.


-Kristian


On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
> 
> > I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use  
> > 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set  
> > all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this  
> > the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Eric Rogers]

Blake,

It might be good to attach a picture of the rope, as it matters to us as well 
if it is braided or twisted.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

Twisted or braided?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>
> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>
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> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

Oops didn't notice that, definitely use Jerry's suggestion for channels.

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> same ssid = yes
> same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
> wds = no
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use
>> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set
>> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this
>> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Jerry Richardson]

same ssid = yes
same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11
wds = no

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:

> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use  
> 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set  
> all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this  
> the best way.  Is there any reason to do WDS?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel

[Josh Luthman]

I'd use XR5s if you can, if not use R52H.  Depending on your cost you
might want to use Ubnt for APs.

I have not used MT APs but enabling it a one command extra work but
could save you down the road for whatever reason...

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411 
> all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to 
> bridged and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there 
> any reason to do WDS?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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[WISPA] Hotel

[Steve Barnes]

I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well.  I am going to use 3 MT411 all 
wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot.  I plan to set all the 411 to bridged 
and all the same channel and SSID.  Is this the best way.  Is there any reason 
to do WDS? 

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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Josh Luthman]

Can't...resistit's spelled whether*

I'm in Troy, hope that's close enough =)

Fiber...
1500 for 20 meg
2100 for 40 meg (I'm thinking the bill says 38 meg but in reality I
can do 40 meg consistently)

Cable...
All <10 meg and I've seen everything from $40 to $100

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth weather it
> be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???
>
>
>
> Or what have you been quoted.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?

[ralphlists]

I grabbed the photos and moved them over to our site.
I thought they were a little better shots than they are, though.

Try these links:

The indoor transmitter with air conditioner  http://brightlan.net/xmrack.jpg
Their elliptical 6" waveguide and connector
http://brightlan.net/xmwaveguide.jpg
Their elliptical waveguide, air dryer, and connector
http://brightlan.net/xmwaveguide2.jpg
Just their logo http://brightlan.net/xmlogo.jpg

Ralph






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Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?

It looks like his links are broken. Are you using IE or Firefox? From
my Blackberry, the path appears to be servername\/xm/image.jpg, notice
the double slash.

On 3/3/10, ralphlists  wrote:
> Hmm
> I just tried it again and they were OK.
>
> http://jawga.com/radio.php
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>
> Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking
> at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all
> of the pictures appear to be broken.
>
> As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who
> reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a
> total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they
> can get up to.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ralphlists wrote:
>> I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits.
>> They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things
where
>> they don't want to get burned up.
>>
>> As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites.
>> My friend put some pics on his web page.
>> http://jawga.com/radio.php
>>
>>
>> Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers.
>>
>> XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz
>> To accomplish this,  XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power
>> terrestrial repeaters.
>> Each market will typically have dual repeaters at  2337.485 MHz and
> 2340.015
>> MHz.
>>  CAUTION:  STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO & SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS
>> The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE
>> OVEN!
>> Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower.
>>
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with "Nomex"
>> or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why
>> not? :-)
>>
>> Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how
>> important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on
>> the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations,
> etc.
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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[ralphlists]

Don't forget my favorite disclaimer (you have to say it really fast): "void
where fraud prohibited".  LOL
Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rope for sale

As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of 
WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.

If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.


ROPE FOR SALE

I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a 
roll,
all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.

This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how 
special
yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)

Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.

Did I mention it was NEW old stock?

Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How 
can
he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively 
INSANE!

We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.

Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I 
can
deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it 
also

Rope is located in southern Missouri.

Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.

Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.

Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773

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Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling, 
storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute 
failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such 
rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting 
that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as 
such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any 
way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is 
NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where 
prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Michael Baird]

The 30db RocketDish5 has been out for a few months, it's in stock most 
everywhere.

Regards
Michael Baird
> How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month?  Unless 
> you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due 
> out mid-month.  We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating 
> design flaw in the assembly their great!
>
> On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>   
>> Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to
>> use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused.
>>
>> I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if
>> anyone is interested.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish
>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that
>>
>> I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>
>> 
>>> Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number
>>>  
>>>   
>> is
>>
>> 
>>> in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any
>>>  
>>>   
>> information
>>
>> 
>>> would help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>>
>>> atrimm...@precisionds.com
>>>
>>> 317.831.3000
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>>> http://www.pdswireless.com
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[WISPA] Time Warner bandwidth in Central Ohio

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What is everyone in Central Ohio paying for Time Warner bandwidth weather it
be on their Fiber or Business Class Cable ???

 

Or what have you been quoted.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Steve Barnes]

Lets see these fancy pictures


Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

Twisted or braided?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>
> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>
> *
>
> Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
> storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute
> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Forbes Mercy]

How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month?  Unless 
you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due 
out mid-month.  We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating 
design flaw in the assembly their great!

On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
> Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to
> use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused.
>
> I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if
> anyone is interested.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Baird
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish
>
> Andy,
>
> They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that
>
> I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
>> Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number
>>  
> is
>
>> in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any
>>  
> information
>
>> would help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator
>>
>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>
>> atrimm...@precisionds.com
>>
>> 317.831.3000
>>
>> http://www.pdswireless.com
>>
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[WISPA] FM antenna separation

[Mike Hammett]

Can anyone say how to determine how close you can get to an antenna at what 
powers?

If practical, I'd like to get as high up a tower as I can, without requiring 
transmitter power reduction.  I'd think 100' would be sufficient, but it may 
not always be, and it also may too much in some cases.

I'm currently looking at towers that have 2.19, 3, and 4 kw transmitters.  One 
tower has 2.25 and 2.45 kw transmitters on it.


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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Eric Rogers]

The only dual-pol antenna I found was
http://www.hol4g.com/ac/product.aspx?number=RWS-SPD2-2.4NS&p=171423&sc=3
557.  Is UBNT on these forums?  Do they have any prototypes to test
with?  We have a project as Andy stated that we need to get a link up
quickly (month or so) to a school.  5.X is already busy and they need
something capable of 20 Meg (10 each way).  It is in the country, but
the tower that will feed them is full of 5.X GHz.

Suggestions?

Eric

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is
in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information
would help.

 

Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

atrimm...@precisionds.com

317.831.3000

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Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

[RickG]

Larry, thanks for your insight! I was hoping you would chime in. My
lawyer had the same concerns. -RickG

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Larry Yunker
 wrote:
> After reading over the agreement, I see a quite a few items that I would
> want to address.
>
> First and foremost, based on my experience with water tower access as an
> ISP, I would have to note that 24x7 access needs to be negotiated.  If you
> have to pay for access outside of 8-5 MF then so be it... but your equipment
> WILL GO DOWN on a Friday night after 5:00 and you will not want to wait
> until Monday at 8:00AM to get it fixed!
>
> Second, also based upon my experience with water tower access as an ISP, I
> would want provisions with regards to how you will handle tower maintenance
> (i.e. painting of the tower, discontinued use of the tower, replacement of
> the tower).  You are looking at a month of downtime if the city decides to
> have their tower painted.  The sandblasting/painting crews will not work
> with you... they will destroy your equipment if it's left on the tower
> during their work.  There is no easy answer to this... We required a village
> to put up a replacement communications tower BEFORE disassembling a
> decommissioned water tower but that only worked because the 911 system
> needed the new tower just as badly as we did!
>
> Third, from a legal perspective, I would be careful about certain wording.
> I see that this document is written as a "utility easement".  You want to
> watch out for words that identify you as a utility.  In many states,
> utilities are subject to state or local franchise taxes.  The last thing
> that you want to do is admit to being a "utility" and then have your local
> village enact a franchise tax for all wireless internet utilities!
>
> Fourth, the contract mentions assignment but does cover transferability or
> delegation.  These issues are important in case you choose to sell your
> tower rights or choose to discontinue service off of that tower. Likewise,
> you need to protect against the Village selling off its water tower to a
> private water company. (It happens... there are a lot of suburbs in Chicago,
> Illinois that have outsourced their water plant).
>
> Fifth, you identify a type of service plan that you intend to provide.  That
> service plan should be subject to a separate SLA (service level agreement).
>
> Sixth, I would suggest that you better identify the types of equipment that
> you can install.  You will need NEMA cabinets, cabling, mounting gear,
> battery backups, maybe even a generator.  From what I understand, my former
> company now has a fiber hut at the base of one of the village water towers.
> You want to keep as many options open as possible without chasing them away
> from the deal.
>
> Seventh, indemnification generally these liability issues are covered by
> your INSURANCE.  You have insurance, don't you?  You had better!  You name
> the tower owner as an additional insured and in the case of a claim, your
> insurance has to step in and defend you and the additional insured.  In
> fact, I believe that all of the villages that I contracted with required
> that we provide proof of insurance and a separate binder for the village.
>
> Eighth, private holding company you can further limit your liability
> under the contract by creating a separate legal entity that solely maintains
> the lease on that tower, but it requires following corporate formalities to
> a tee if you hope to avoid "piercing of the corporate veil".  "Corporate
> formalities" is a discussion to have with your attorney.
>
>
> I'm sure that there are other issues to be addressed, but that's all I have
> time to touch on at this point.
>
> Regards,
> Larry E. Yunker II, Esq.
>
> Disclaimer: The opinions provided above are not to be considered "legal
> advice".  While I am a former WISP and I am currently licensed as an
> attorney in the state of Ohio, I am not licensed in the state of Kentucky.
> Therefore, you are advised to seek a legal professional who is licensed in
> your state and you are warned not to rely upon the commentary as provided
> above.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
>
> I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is
> making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I
> shoudl? Here is the whole agreement:
>
> EASEMENT AGREEMENT
> 1. PARTIES:
> , hereinafter referred to as
> "Grantor".
> CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as "Grantee".
> 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY:
> Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property
> located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky:
> Anytown Water Tower and its Premises
> LEGAL DESCRIPTION - TBD
> Hereinafter referred to as "the Property".
> 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT:
> For a period of five (5

Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[RickG]

Twisted or braided?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>
> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>
> *
>
> Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
> storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute
> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>
> *
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> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Andy Trimmell]

Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to
use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused.

I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if
anyone is interested.

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Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

Andy,

They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that

I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number
is
> in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any
information
> would help.
>
>  
>
> Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> atrimm...@precisionds.com
>
> 317.831.3000
>
> http://www.pdswireless.com
>
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Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

[jp]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 04:28:02PM -0800, Ryan Spott wrote:
> Well, the lawyer is not gonna like my advice.. How else does he get paid? :)
> 
> I also like binding arbitration, of course, the one that files suit pays for
> the arbitration fees. Again, this forces people to 'figure it out' before
> they start rattling sabers!


Further more, many towns and cities have an attorney on the payroll, so there 
is no 
additional expense to them in them rattling sabres, though it could be costly 
to you.
Keep that in mind, depending on the town you deal with.

> ryan
> 
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:19 PM, RickG  wrote:
> 
> > Great tip! So, otherwise you would sign it? I'm runnig it past a
> > lawyer friend but wanted to hammer out any details before he gets
> > involved. Thanks! -RickG
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
> > > "unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful
> > > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as
> > set
> > > forth
> > > in Paragraph 6 above." is your out.
> > >
> > > This looks pretty good.
> > >
> > > One of the things we have added to our contracts is "legal fees arising
> > from
> > > litigation are the responsibility of the litigant."
> > >
> > > This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal
> > > battle over a $20 item.
> > >
> > > ryan
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff  > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a
> > government
> > >> they have that clause.
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > >> Behalf Of RickG
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM
> > >> To: WISPA General List
> > >> Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts
> > >>
> > >> One of our favorite topics :)
> > >>
> > >> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've
> > >> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these
> > >> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made
> > >> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is
> > >> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement
> > >> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the
> > >> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows:
> > >>
> > >> INDEMNIFICATION:
> > >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify
> > >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any
> > >> other
> > >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's
> > >> use of the
> > >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or
> > willful
> > >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as
> > set
> > >> forth
> > >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights
> > >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity.
> > >>
> > >> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does
> > >> the reverse! Thoughts?
> > >> -RickG
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Blake Bowers]

No, but I do have some spiffy pictures.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Philip Dorr" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale


> Do you know the test strength of the rope?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
>> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit 
>> of
>> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>>
>> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>>
>>
>> ROPE FOR SALE
>>
>> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a
>> roll,
>> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>>
>> This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how
>> special
>> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>>
>> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great.
>>
>> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>>
>> Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How
>> can
>> he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
>> INSANE!
>>
>> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>>
>> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or 
>> I
>> can
>> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri 
>> and
>> Oklahoma this month). You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
>> also
>>
>> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>>
>> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>>
>> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>>
>> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>>
>> *
>>
>> Legal warning. Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
>> storage, care, and use. Failure to have that knowledge does not 
>> constitute
>> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of 
>> such
>> rope. Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
>> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
>> such. Practice safe rope. Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
>> way. Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested. This rope is
>> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower. Your mileage may vary, void where
>> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>>
>> *
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>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Michael Baird]

Andy,

They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that 
I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is
> in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information
> would help.
>
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Rope for sale

[Philip Dorr]

Do you know the test strength of the rope?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of
> WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.
>
> If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.
>
>
> ROPE FOR SALE
>
> I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a
> roll,
> all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.
>
> This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how
> special
> yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)
>
> Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.
>
> Did I mention it was NEW old stock?
>
> Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How
> can
> he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively
> INSANE!
>
> We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.
>
> Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I
> can
> deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
> Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it
> also
>
> Rope is located in southern Missouri.
>
> Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.
>
> Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.
>
> Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773
>
> *
>
> Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling,
> storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute
> failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such
> rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting
> that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as
> such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any
> way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is
> NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where
> prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.
>
> *
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[WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

[Andy Trimmell]

Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is
in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information
would help.

 

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Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

[Larry Yunker]

After reading over the agreement, I see a quite a few items that I would
want to address.  

First and foremost, based on my experience with water tower access as an
ISP, I would have to note that 24x7 access needs to be negotiated.  If you
have to pay for access outside of 8-5 MF then so be it... but your equipment
WILL GO DOWN on a Friday night after 5:00 and you will not want to wait
until Monday at 8:00AM to get it fixed!

Second, also based upon my experience with water tower access as an ISP, I
would want provisions with regards to how you will handle tower maintenance
(i.e. painting of the tower, discontinued use of the tower, replacement of
the tower).  You are looking at a month of downtime if the city decides to
have their tower painted.  The sandblasting/painting crews will not work
with you... they will destroy your equipment if it's left on the tower
during their work.  There is no easy answer to this... We required a village
to put up a replacement communications tower BEFORE disassembling a
decommissioned water tower but that only worked because the 911 system
needed the new tower just as badly as we did!

Third, from a legal perspective, I would be careful about certain wording.
I see that this document is written as a "utility easement".  You want to
watch out for words that identify you as a utility.  In many states,
utilities are subject to state or local franchise taxes.  The last thing
that you want to do is admit to being a "utility" and then have your local
village enact a franchise tax for all wireless internet utilities!

Fourth, the contract mentions assignment but does cover transferability or
delegation.  These issues are important in case you choose to sell your
tower rights or choose to discontinue service off of that tower. Likewise,
you need to protect against the Village selling off its water tower to a
private water company. (It happens... there are a lot of suburbs in Chicago,
Illinois that have outsourced their water plant).

Fifth, you identify a type of service plan that you intend to provide.  That
service plan should be subject to a separate SLA (service level agreement).

Sixth, I would suggest that you better identify the types of equipment that
you can install.  You will need NEMA cabinets, cabling, mounting gear,
battery backups, maybe even a generator.  From what I understand, my former
company now has a fiber hut at the base of one of the village water towers.
You want to keep as many options open as possible without chasing them away
from the deal.

Seventh, indemnification generally these liability issues are covered by
your INSURANCE.  You have insurance, don't you?  You had better!  You name
the tower owner as an additional insured and in the case of a claim, your
insurance has to step in and defend you and the additional insured.  In
fact, I believe that all of the villages that I contracted with required
that we provide proof of insurance and a separate binder for the village. 

Eighth, private holding company you can further limit your liability
under the contract by creating a separate legal entity that solely maintains
the lease on that tower, but it requires following corporate formalities to
a tee if you hope to avoid "piercing of the corporate veil".  "Corporate
formalities" is a discussion to have with your attorney.


I'm sure that there are other issues to be addressed, but that's all I have
time to touch on at this point.

Regards,
Larry E. Yunker II, Esq.

Disclaimer: The opinions provided above are not to be considered "legal
advice".  While I am a former WISP and I am currently licensed as an
attorney in the state of Ohio, I am not licensed in the state of Kentucky.
Therefore, you are advised to seek a legal professional who is licensed in
your state and you are warned not to rely upon the commentary as provided
above.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is
making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I
shoudl? Here is the whole agreement:

EASEMENT AGREEMENT
1. PARTIES:
, hereinafter referred to as
"Grantor".
CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as "Grantee".
2. AFFECTED PROPERTY:
Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property
located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky:
Anytown Water Tower and its Premises
LEGAL DESCRIPTION - TBD
Hereinafter referred to as "the Property".
3. GRANT OF EASEMENT:
For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor
does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown
Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes
directly
associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the
surrounding area.
4. TYPE OF EASEMENT:
The easement describe

[WISPA] Rope for sale

[Blake Bowers]

As I do not normally sell rope, but this is a great deal for the benefit of 
WISP's, I hope that this posting one time will be acceptable.

If not, please state my punishment so I can take it like a man.


ROPE FOR SALE

I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope.  1200 foot on a 
roll,
all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools.

This can be had in black or in that special yellow.  (Everyone knows how 
special
yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...)

Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it.  Works great.

Did I mention it was NEW old stock?

Now - the best part.  $100.00 per roll.  Can you believe the madness?  How 
can
he sell it so low you ask?  Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively 
INSANE!

We can even offer quanity discounts at over 20 rolls.

Shipping will be from the actual shipping quote - or you can pick up - or I 
can
deliver if you are in my forecast travels (pretty much only in Missouri and
Oklahoma this month).  You can also buy the rope and just abandon it 
also

Rope is located in southern Missouri.

Pictures are available in case you have not seen such rope before.

Payment is via paypal upon order of rope.

Please reply to bl...@frostytowers.com for timely reply, or 417-293-0773

*

Legal warning.  Use of such rope demands proper training in its handling, 
storage, care, and use.  Failure to have that knowledge does not constitute 
failure on our part to warn you or to prepare you for the ownership of such 
rope.  Although use of rope as a sexual aid is done, we are not suggesting 
that it be used as such, nor are we suggesting that you do not use it as 
such.  Practice safe rope.  Peeing up a rope is still not suggested in any 
way.  Use of this rope as a end to it all is never suggested.  This rope is 
NOT suitable for pushing UP a tower.  Your mileage may vary, void where 
prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.

*
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Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?

[Jeremy Parr]

It looks like his links are broken. Are you using IE or Firefox? From
my Blackberry, the path appears to be servername\/xm/image.jpg, notice
the double slash.

On 3/3/10, ralphlists  wrote:
> Hmm
> I just tried it again and they were OK.
>
> http://jawga.com/radio.php
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>
> Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking
> at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all
> of the pictures appear to be broken.
>
> As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who
> reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a
> total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they
> can get up to.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ralphlists wrote:
>> I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits.
>> They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things where
>> they don't want to get burned up.
>>
>> As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites.
>> My friend put some pics on his web page.
>> http://jawga.com/radio.php
>>
>>
>> Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers.
>>
>> XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz
>> To accomplish this,  XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power
>> terrestrial repeaters.
>> Each market will typically have dual repeaters at  2337.485 MHz and
> 2340.015
>> MHz.
>>  CAUTION:  STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO & SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS
>> The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE
>> OVEN!
>> Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower.
>>
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with "Nomex"
>> or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why
>> not? :-)
>>
>> Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how
>> important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on
>> the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations,
> etc.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

[Kurt Fankhauser]

All very good information guys, this thread has gotten quite interesting.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

I made the comment to an attorney the other day, that I don't drive
in the same block as the courthouse any more without an attorney.

Contracts are an agreement - they are not ironclad.  You can discuss putting

all sorts of stuff in a contract, but just because it is in the contract 
does not make it binding.   If you put something in the contract that is 
contrary to state, federal, local or even case law, than it is just not 
valid.  If the city already has imunity from liability, then nothing you put

in there will change that.

My "contracts" with WISP's are gentlemans agreements.  My "contracts" with 
cell carriers are puffery.  Well written by expensive attornies, but puffery

none the less.

If I read all this right, the OP has a deal where for no cost he can get on 
a city water tower, sites that he has been working on for two years.  Is the

contract perfect?  Is any contract perfect?  Is it a good deal for the WISP?

Yeah, I would specify a limit on the free service.  The other stuff, I would

probably just sign and run with.  The matter of what is included?  Get them 
using your service and they will let you do whatever you need to do - within

reason of course.   It is not costing you any monthly money!  That is 
considered a hell of a deal in a lot of places!

I guess the litmus test would be, does your attorney play golf with the city

attorney?  Do you play golf with the city attorney?  Really.  If you have a 
relationship, or your attorney does, then making changes is easy.  If no 
relationship, minor changes are viewed as more of a pain in the butt.

There is a popular saying, that a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for 
his client.  Surely you have have an attorney.  It is well worth the money 
for his review.

Bob's comment about a seperate corp for each tower site?  Not a bad idea - 
often you will find a company has a few sites under each corp.  For this to 
be really effective though you must not allow the corporate veil to be 
pierced, so you have to have seperate financials for each corp, annual 
meetings, corp book, etc.  (we hold all of ours one after another on new 
years day)

And corporations take different forms, which one is right for you?  S 
chapter?  LLC, etc?






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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Moldashel" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts


>I am sure Blake will agree with me.  No two contracts are the same
> especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with
> municipalities.
>
> If you don't like a clause submit a change request.  Their will either
> entertain it or say no.  The other thing that might happen is they just
> stop talking to you.
>
> I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with
> this.  Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the
> reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable.  If you are
> that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that
> one.  Lease "network services" to you existing company and if something
> ever happens you have the buffer.
>
> Slimy but its done every day.
>
> -B-
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> One of our favorite topics :)
>>
>> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've
>> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these
>> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made
>> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is
>> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement
>> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the
>> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows:
>>
>> INDEMNIFICATION:
>> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify
>> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any 
>> other
>> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's
>> use of the
>> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful
>> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as 
>> set forth
>> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights
>> afford under its Sovereign Immunity.
>>
>> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does
>> the reverse! Thoughts?
>> -RickG
>>
>>





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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Greg Ihnen]

Yeah, sorry for not looking first. :-(

Greg

On Mar 3, 2010, at 5:58 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> If it is a RouterBoard, the MACs are on the label.
> 
> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already 
>> overwrote it?
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> export to file
>>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original
>>> import from file
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
 question many times.
 
 Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?
 
 On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
 
> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
> 
>> And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...
>> 
>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed  wrote:
>> 
>>> Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and sets
>>> it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
>>> WordPad, save the file and then import it.
>>> 
>>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>> 
 Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way
 it
 would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
 anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
 x86
 hardware) that won't work in the RB750?
 
 Thanks!
 Greg
 
 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 
 
> Greg,
> 
> Yes there is
> 
> /ip address export file=ipaddr86
> /ip route export file=iprout86
> 
> Then...
> 
> /import file=iproute86.rsc
> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
>> world.
>> 
>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
>> me
>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
>> the
>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with 
>> a
>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With
>> that
>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
>> it
>> all
>> works.
>> 
>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
>> then
>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But 
>> if
>> I
>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load
>> that
>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't
>> work!
>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I 
>> don't
>> know
>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just
>> have
>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.
>> 
>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an
>> RB750.
>> 
>> Thanks to all who replied.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750?
>>> 
>>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The
 
 
>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port
>> (Eth1
>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't
>> access
>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem
>> but
>> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any 
>> idea
>> what
>> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have
>> at
>> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on
>> Eth1,
>> manually configured Eth1, and 

Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

[Scott Reed]

If it is a RouterBoard, the MACs are on the label.

Greg Ihnen wrote:
> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already 
> overwrote it?
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>
>   
>> export to file
>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original
>> import from file
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same
>>> question many times.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer?
>>>
>>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>>>   
 Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address?

 Greg

 On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 
> And it will drive you nuts.  Especially if you use it to template and
> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP.  Augh...
>
> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed  wrote:
>   
>> Be careful with exporting interfaces.  It takes the MAC address and sets
>> it on the new device.  You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in
>> WordPad, save the file and then import it.
>>
>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> 
>>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way
>>> it
>>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there
>>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the
>>> x86
>>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Greg,

 Yes there is

 /ip address export file=ipaddr86
 /ip route export file=iprout86

 Then...

 /import file=iproute86.rsc
 /import file=ipaddr86.rsc

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:


 
> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside
> world.
>
> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing
> me
> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at
> the
> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a
> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the
> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With
> that
> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and
> it
> all
> works.
>
> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and
> then
> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if
> I
> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load
> that
> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't
> work!
> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't
> know
> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just
> have
> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again.
>
> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an
> RB750.
>
> Thanks to all who replied.
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750?
>>
>> Greg Ihnen wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The
>>>
>>>   
> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port
> (Eth1
> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't
> access
> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem
> but
> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea
> what
> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have
> at
> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on
> Eth1,
> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but
> nothing beyond it.
>
>   
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>