Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
What are you seeing? Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PGE smart meters. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers Please contact me offline if you a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz interference problems. Thanks, jack 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees. It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have electricity. I started the remote meter installation when I worked for the water company and probably wiped myself out. The SCADA came later and was the last nail in the 900 coffin. Now the water guy can drive the back roads at 45 miles an hour and read 1,000 meters in a day. Crap, everyone is moving here from California. Good for Internet, BAD for 900. On 6/13/2010 11:14 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: What are you seeing? Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PGE smart meters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
I avoid 900 MHz like the plague. Not only does telemetry and GPS positioning trash the band, my competitor located there. :-) Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees. It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have electricity. I started the remote meter installation when I worked for the water company and probably wiped myself out. The SCADA came later and was the last nail in the 900 coffin. Now the water guy can drive the back roads at 45 miles an hour and read 1,000 meters in a day. Crap, everyone is moving here from California. Good for Internet, BAD for 900. On 6/13/2010 11:14 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: What are you seeing? Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PGE smart meters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900mhz co-locate with farm RTK
We had over 100 ft of separation, and we were horizontal and they were vertical. I was very skeptical at first, and my clause stated that no tenants after me could cause interference. I was expecting something, but honestly, I saw nothing. Worked like a charm. I would try it and see if it causes problems. If it does, then re-address it. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 900mhz co-locate with farm RTK Does anyone here have any 900mhz Canopy co-located on the same tower with a farmers Real Time Kinetics for the GPS in the tractors? I know they use 900mhz and I talked to the company here local that put the RTK on the tower and they claim that they had stuff on a tower once with another ISP doing 900mhz Canopy and the ISP said that he could not tell of any interference to his customers or AP but the guys tractors wouldn't receive for about ¼ mile around the site that the Canopy equipment was on. I have a site where I am thinking of deploying Canopy on and I can get 10 feet of horizontal separation from the RTK antenna but can't get any vertical separation. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
Same here. Competitor on 900, Power co-op used some 900 but ended up going with turtle meters (basically X10 built into the meter) and has data links from all the sub-stations. I am going to give Ubnt 900 a go, for those I need it, I do not care how it works clients who have no location options for a relay. Right now we try and pull all the sat net setups and move them out to the boonies, then figure out how to get to them asap. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I avoid 900 MHz like the plague. Not only does telemetry and GPS positioning trash the band, my competitor located there. :-) Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees. It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have electricity. I started the remote meter installation when I worked for the water company and probably wiped myself out. The SCADA came later and was the last nail in the 900 coffin. Now the water guy can drive the back roads at 45 miles an hour and read 1,000 meters in a day. Crap, everyone is moving here from California. Good for Internet, BAD for 900. On 6/13/2010 11:14 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: What are you seeing? Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PGE smart meters. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ccontract
I need some good contract templates for tower use, clients, ect. Any ideas where to get them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards
I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for these? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ccontract
For WISPA Members you can visit: http://wiki.wispa.org/index.php/Forms for some forms. Others needs to post contracts they are willing to share there. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:49 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] ccontract I need some good contract templates for tower use, clients, ect. Any ideas where to get them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ccontract
Are they good? I join if its worth it -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ccontract For WISPA Members you can visit: http://wiki.wispa.org/index.php/Forms for some forms. Others needs to post contracts they are willing to share there. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:49 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] ccontract I need some good contract templates for tower use, clients, ect. Any ideas where to get them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ccontract
Liam, Below is what is currently on the wiki. I'm not sure all members realize they can post contracts they wish to share on the wiki. It is there for this reason: To share information with other members to improve each other's bottom line. Site Survey Media:sitesurvey.doc Residential Service Agreements Media:KYWIFI_Residential_Service_Agreement_.doc Business Service Agreements Repeater Leases Media:Residental Repeater Site Contract.doc Tower Lease Contracts Land Lease Contracts Contractor Agreements Media:Basic Contract for 3rd party company doing installations.doc To join wispa, go to http://signup.wispa.org. Help us support you and the WISP industry! Thanks, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ccontract Are they good? I join if its worth it -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ccontract For WISPA Members you can visit: http://wiki.wispa.org/index.php/Forms for some forms. Others needs to post contracts they are willing to share there. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:49 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] ccontract I need some good contract templates for tower use, clients, ect. Any ideas where to get them? --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards
You could do a frame capture with wireshark. Used ethereal a long time ago.. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for these? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards
If they were set up as an AP, you could power them up ans see what SSID broadcasts. Of course you would need to know the IP addy that matches the SSID :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for these? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards
Use a MT to connection as a station and then use ip-scan. On 6/14/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: If they were set up as an AP, you could power them up ans see what SSID broadcasts. Of course you would need to know the IP addy that matches the SSID :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for these? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS synced systems
Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
GPS :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Any Wimax based Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
I can confirm Redline can use GPS. Jeremie Chism wrote: Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Tranzeo just announced GPS for their 5.8 Wimax. On 6/14/2010 10:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ As knowledge increases, the verdict of yesterday must be reversed today, and in the long run the most positive authority is the least to be trusted. - Hugh Nibley WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Gentlemen, All of our WiMAX TDD equipment comes with standard GPS synchronization. US options are 3.65 and 5GHz. It helps us to mitigate far and near co-channel interference Best regards Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company T: +1 (804) 864-4125 M: +1 (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com mailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com http://www.axxcelera.com From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: June 14, 2010 11:19:42 AM CDT To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
What's the vertical beam width? Any idea? Greg On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but the specs were very similar to those old Hpol guides from PAC so we just ened up using those where we neede H-pol. I do however have Hpol 5 GHz (about 17 dBi, 95 degree BW) and Hpol 5 GHz Omni's (about 10 dBi) as well. We don't really sell them, but I have a couple laying around that I could part with if someone really wanted some. I don't have any of the omni's as those we're a one time build and we didn't do many, but could get some cut if someone REALLY wanted some. I've attached the PDF and some pics from on top of a tower since the images in the PDF aren't great. On the tower pic, the 2.4 is on the left and the 5 gig is on the right. Pic is from behind so it's hard to see much, but these both have the protective covers on them anyway, so not a whole lot to see on the fronts. Cameron On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled. BTW how about a photo and spec on that our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards, either. ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 and solid dishes. ) netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector. For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving strange, and it got replaced. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? probably a ruckus on the other end -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on the browser to confirm connectivity. Google popped up, meaning things were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test. I got about 30KB/s speed, which is like painfully slow. I was standing outside, with the netbook sitting on the hood of my truck. So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access point ... 11 MILES AWAY! I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant. It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook. I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop (dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection, dhcp assignment, and transfer data. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
It is in the pdf, but 6 degrees in case you missed it. Cameron On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: What's the vertical beam width? Any idea? Greg On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but the specs were very similar to those old Hpol guides from PAC so we just ened up using those where we neede H-pol. I do however have Hpol 5 GHz (about 17 dBi, 95 degree BW) and Hpol 5 GHz Omni's (about 10 dBi) as well. We don't really sell them, but I have a couple laying around that I could part with if someone really wanted some. I don't have any of the omni's as those we're a one time build and we didn't do many, but could get some cut if someone REALLY wanted some. I've attached the PDF and some pics from on top of a tower since the images in the PDF aren't great. On the tower pic, the 2.4 is on the left and the 5 gig is on the right. Pic is from behind so it's hard to see much, but these both have the protective covers on them anyway, so not a whole lot to see on the fronts. Cameron On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled. BTW how about a photo and spec on that our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards, either. ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 and solid dishes. ) netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector. For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving strange, and it got replaced. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? probably a ruckus on the other end -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on the browser to confirm connectivity. Google popped up, meaning things were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test. I got about 30KB/s speed, which is like painfully slow. I was standing outside, with the netbook sitting on the hood of my truck. So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access point ... 11 MILES AWAY! I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant. It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook. I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop (dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection, dhcp assignment, and transfer data. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
For 5GHz the only integrated option is dual polarity 60°-Az x 7°-El pattern. For 3GHz we use high performance SectorShape(tm) antennas. we designed them and own IP. These units come in 60 and 90 degrees with 6°-El. These units more expensive but allow our 3.65GHz system to implement adjacent sector adjacent channel planning (even though it's not recommended) Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company T: +1 (804) 864-4125 M: +1 (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? What's the vertical beam width? Any idea? Greg On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but the specs were very similar to those old Hpol guides from PAC so we just ened up using those where we neede H-pol. I do however have Hpol 5 GHz (about 17 dBi, 95 degree BW) and Hpol 5 GHz Omni's (about 10 dBi) as well. We don't really sell them, but I have a couple laying around that I could part with if someone really wanted some. I don't have any of the omni's as those we're a one time build and we didn't do many, but could get some cut if someone REALLY wanted some. I've attached the PDF and some pics from on top of a tower since the images in the PDF aren't great. On the tower pic, the 2.4 is on the left and the 5 gig is on the right. Pic is from behind so it's hard to see much, but these both have the protective covers on them anyway, so not a whole lot to see on the fronts. Cameron On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled. BTW how about a photo and spec on that our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards, either. ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 and solid dishes. ) netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector. For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving strange, and it got replaced. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? probably a ruckus on the other end -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on the browser to confirm connectivity. Google popped up, meaning things were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test. I got about 30KB/s speed, which is like painfully slow. I was standing outside, with the netbook sitting on the hood of my truck. So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access point ... 11 MILES AWAY! I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant. It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook. I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal
Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
What exactly are you looking for? We did our first 900MHz link using RF Linx 915UDC's in 2002. Used those until last year. In 2009,started using UBNT XR9 cards. Blair Jack Unger wrote: Please contact me offline if you a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz interference problems. Thanks, jack 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. -Eic On 6/14/2010 11:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. 802.16d FDD gear (like one from Alvarion) doesn't require GPS if memory serves me right... 802.16d/e TDD systems are very likely to have GPS. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
That's what I thought you'd need and would happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:50 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Correst On 06/14/2010 01:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Bottom Line
Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Have you talked to Sparkplug? They have a wireless backhaul middle-mile network that goes from Phoenix down to Yuma -- they basically cover all of AZ -- let me know if you want contact info for someone there -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
How much are you buying ($ and mbit)? I haven't seen a map of Level3's latest EON product, but there were WilTel EON huts in Dragoon and Bowie. Both are about 30 miles from you. Benson is a bit further at 40 miles. I don't know the terrain there (hilly, mountains, flatland), but if it's at all barren, you should be able to shoot to those areas in a hop or two. Worst case you could built all the way to Tuscon. Again, it depends on what you're doing now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 5:09 PM, Jason Wallace wrote: Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Sounds like a great contact to have... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 6:30 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Your best shot is back-hauling to a good capex x opex point as others pointed out, but if you find that doesn't work, consider using a mix of T1 bandwidth and one-way (better price and latency than two-way) satellite service, and policy-route traffic so some of it (usually web surfing, cache popullation etc.) uses the satellite and transparent or latency-sensite apps like VoIP goes only terrestrial. Caching flash videos, Microsoft and anti-virus updates using URL rewriting will also make more of your costly T1 or T1+satellite. See http://sourceforge.net/projects/incomum/ or http://cachevideos.com. Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
The mailing address on the site says Pearce, AZ. He says he's in the heart of the Sulphur Valley. I'm not too familiar with that side of AZ, but a search for Sulphur Valley, AZ on GMaps turns up quite a few businesses located all over that region. I didn't want to assume he was only in Pearce. We've got coverage all around Yuma and throughout California's Imperial Valley, and pick up transit at several points within our coverage area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable product? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big links. I use the Pac grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if anything, they work about the same in the field on receive. Regards Michael Baird An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem
Maybe I'm doing (or not doing) something simple, but I am unable to tftp upgrade files to either of the APEX radios on either side of a link. torch shows my computer trying to connect but no data back from either radio and tftp command times out without success. Current version info below. Tried rebooting, using another computer on another subnet, turning opmode off etc - nothing works I cannot get the radio to accept a file via tftp. Any ideas? Current Image Version FPGA version: 00151209 OS version: 2p6r14b3D08200901 FW version: 1p2r2D082009 PIC version:217 Modem version: 38 RFM version:27 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
They did change it recently and they've been good to me... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable product? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big links. I use the Pac grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if anything, they work about the same in the field on receive. Regards Michael Baird An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same feeds as the linked one. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable product? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big links. I use the Pac grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if anything, they work about the same in the field on receive. Regards Michael Baird An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
What that really means is that you are likely running far too large of an antenna. You're also going to find yourself interfering with your own network far more than is healthy with things that run this way! marlon - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on the browser to confirm connectivity. Google popped up, meaning things were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test. I got about 30KB/s speed, which is like painfully slow. I was standing outside, with the netbook sitting on the hood of my truck. So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access point ... 11 MILES AWAY! I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant. It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook. I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop (dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection, dhcp assignment, and transfer data. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
How many TR 6000's do you want for your AP's? bawhahahahahahaha One of these days I'm gonna remember to take a video cam along and toss one out of the 65' bucket truck! I sure wish I had this guy's tool for fixing crappy hardware! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6HR35fBDU marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem
You turned on tftp on the radio first, right? tftpd on Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Maybe I'm doing (or not doing) something simple, but I am unable to tftp upgrade files to either of the APEX radios on either side of a link. torch shows my computer trying to connect but no data back from either radio and tftp command times out without success. Current version info below. Tried rebooting, using another computer on another subnet, turning opmode off etc - nothing works I cannot get the radio to accept a file via tftp. Any ideas? Current Image Version FPGA version: 00151209 OS version: 2p6r14b3D08200901 FW version: 1p2r2D082009 PIC version:217 Modem version: 38 RFM version:27 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
Fixed the problem right up, didn't it! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: How many TR 6000's do you want for your AP's? bawhahahahahahaha One of these days I'm gonna remember to take a video cam along and toss one out of the 65' bucket truck! I sure wish I had this guy's tool for fixing crappy hardware! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6HR35fBDU marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
18.5 dB of gain? And 105 * of horizontal coverage? That thing has got to be what, 1* or less of vertical coverage? 2* at best? Here's one for you guys to. I didn't take a pic but it was made completely out of pvc pipe. Even labeled as such. Had a cap on the top, pipe for the omni tube, and a cap with a hole drilled for a bulkhead connector on the bottom. NO weep hole anywhere. Sealed with only black tape. So much water had gotten into the system that 50' down, at the amp, there was rust on the connector INSIDE the outdoor box that was used. No that wasn't my installation, I was pulling out someone else's that never did work right :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but the specs were very similar to those old Hpol guides from PAC so we just ened up using those where we neede H-pol. I do however have Hpol 5 GHz (about 17 dBi, 95 degree BW) and Hpol 5 GHz Omni's (about 10 dBi) as well. We don't really sell them, but I have a couple laying around that I could part with if someone really wanted some. I don't have any of the omni's as those we're a one time build and we didn't do many, but could get some cut if someone REALLY wanted some. I've attached the PDF and some pics from on top of a tower since the images in the PDF aren't great. On the tower pic, the 2.4 is on the left and the 5 gig is on the right. Pic is from behind so it's hard to see much, but these both have the protective covers on them anyway, so not a whole lot to see on the fronts. Cameron On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled. BTW how about a photo and spec on that our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards, either. ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 and solid dishes. ) netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector. For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving strange, and it got replaced. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? probably a ruckus on the other end -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on the browser to confirm connectivity. Google popped up, meaning things were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test. I got about 30KB/s speed, which is like painfully slow. I was standing outside, with the netbook sitting on the hood of my truck. So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access point ... 11 MILES AWAY! I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant. It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook.
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Sorry I wasn't clearer on my location; didn't occur to me in my moment of exasperation ;-) My coverage area centers on Pearce, AZ. I can see the flashing tower lights in Willcox. Douglas is 60 miles south, and Sierra Vista is on the other side of the Dragoon mountain range. Dragoon (the town) is just around the northern edge of the Dragoon Mtns, and is not reachable by a direct shot from my NOC, but might be with 1 hop. Blake Covarrubias wrote: The mailing address on the site says Pearce, AZ. He says he's in the heart of the Sulphur Valley. I'm not too familiar with that side of AZ, but a search for Sulphur Valley, AZ on GMaps turns up quite a few businesses located all over that region. I didn't want to assume he was only in Pearce. We've got coverage all around Yuma and throughout California's Imperial Valley, and pick up transit at several points within our coverage area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
6 degrees on the vertical. Slotted waveguides are phenomenal performers. This isn't your average t-line patch. We had it tested on the Antenna Products range in Mineral Wells, TX. The patterns were measured in both the E and H planes and we tested several units to verify. They even have some nice electrical downtilt built in. Cameron 18.5 dB of gain? And 105 * of horizontal coverage? That thing has got to be what, 1* or less of vertical coverage? 2* at best? Here's one for you guys to. I didn't take a pic but it was made completely out of pvc pipe. Even labeled as such. Had a cap on the top, pipe for the omni tube, and a cap with a hole drilled for a bulkhead connector on the bottom. NO weep hole anywhere. Sealed with only black tape. So much water had gotten into the system that 50' down, at the amp, there was rust on the connector INSIDE the outdoor box that was used. No that wasn't my installation, I was pulling out someone else's that never did work right :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but the specs were very similar to those old Hpol guides from PAC so we just ened up using those where we neede H-pol. I do however have Hpol 5 GHz (about 17 dBi, 95 degree BW) and Hpol 5 GHz Omni's (about 10 dBi) as well. We don't really sell them, but I have a couple laying around that I could part with if someone really wanted some. I don't have any of the omni's as those we're a one time build and we didn't do many, but could get some cut if someone REALLY wanted some. I've attached the PDF and some pics from on top of a tower since the images in the PDF aren't great. On the tower pic, the 2.4 is on the left and the 5 gig is on the right. Pic is from behind so it's hard to see much, but these both have the protective covers on them anyway, so not a whole lot to see on the fronts. Cameron On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled. BTW how about a photo and spec on that our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards, either. ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 and solid dishes. ) netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector. For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving strange, and it got replaced. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? probably a ruckus on the other end -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on the browser to confirm connectivity. Google popped up, meaning things were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test. I got about 30KB/s speed, which is like painfully slow. I was standing
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Hiya Jason, First off, get a caching system installed. One of the oldest (and probably best) is Squid running on a linux system. Next, how many miles will you have to go to get bandwidth in a bigger/cheaper place? How many hops would it take? lets say that you put towers no further than 15 miles apart so you can run AP's at them too. Better yet, find a barn or something similar every 15ish miles Here's why I ask. A $20,000 loan of 5 years should run you about $800 per month. Give or take a little. Next, how many subs do you have? I assume you are getting killed on your usage and need another $t-1 that you can't afford. Take the number of subs, divide by 800 and then raise your prices that much. Lets say you have 150 subs, you'll raise prices by roughly $5.00. Tell the subs that you're doing this to get more bandwidth and make their internet run faster. Nearly none of them will bat an eye. combine that with a Squid box and they'll think they died and went to heaven! OR, if it looks like that $20,000 will get you your own backhaul raise the prices and tell folks you are putting in a backup upstream connection, more bandwidth, whatever. And buck up. We didn't start making money till we'd been doing this for about 7 years. Now that I've been in wireless for 10 our income is growing FAST. Each new customer is a lot more of a net revenue than the old ones were. Heck, I've had to pay taxes for 3 years in a row now! yucko! grin marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Mountains are good. No need for towers that way. Today 20 to 30 mile shots should be easy. Even 40 mile shots shouldn't be very hard. See if you can find houses that see each other all the way to the other end. Offer them free internet on 10 year contracts. Even if you have 5 or 6 hops it'll be fairly cheap and you shouldn't have much trouble getting a loan for that. Best part? NO towers needed! marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
Those are 5 gig. I decided NOT to go the cheap route on any 5 gig systems out here. I'm looking for 2.4 gig grids that are of good/great quality. I've been paying around $100 for a 24dB grid and it doesn't bother me a bit. Here's a tip for you guys that go dirt cheap on everything and then complain about the time you spend. My network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut. We have over 600 wireless subs and a couple of hundred other customers. I take care of it all with the equivalent of 2.5 people! Don't go too cheap. It'll cost you time and reputation in the end. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same feeds as the linked one. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable product? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big links. I use the Pac grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if anything, they work about the same in the field on receive. Regards Michael Baird An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
Impressive! marlon - Original Message - From: cc...@dot11net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? 6 degrees on the vertical. Slotted waveguides are phenomenal performers. This isn't your average t-line patch. We had it tested on the Antenna Products range in Mineral Wells, TX. The patterns were measured in both the E and H planes and we tested several units to verify. They even have some nice electrical downtilt built in. Cameron 18.5 dB of gain? And 105 * of horizontal coverage? That thing has got to be what, 1* or less of vertical coverage? 2* at best? Here's one for you guys to. I didn't take a pic but it was made completely out of pvc pipe. Even labeled as such. Had a cap on the top, pipe for the omni tube, and a cap with a hole drilled for a bulkhead connector on the bottom. NO weep hole anywhere. Sealed with only black tape. So much water had gotten into the system that 50' down, at the amp, there was rust on the connector INSIDE the outdoor box that was used. No that wasn't my installation, I was pulling out someone else's that never did work right :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? Here is one that we made for 2.4not MDK's but we used ours for 7years. Ours is 18.5 dBi (range tested by the way) about 105 degree beamwidth. This one is V pol. We did a design for H pol, but the specs were very similar to those old Hpol guides from PAC so we just ened up using those where we neede H-pol. I do however have Hpol 5 GHz (about 17 dBi, 95 degree BW) and Hpol 5 GHz Omni's (about 10 dBi) as well. We don't really sell them, but I have a couple laying around that I could part with if someone really wanted some. I don't have any of the omni's as those we're a one time build and we didn't do many, but could get some cut if someone REALLY wanted some. I've attached the PDF and some pics from on top of a tower since the images in the PDF aren't great. On the tower pic, the 2.4 is on the left and the 5 gig is on the right. Pic is from behind so it's hard to see much, but these both have the protective covers on them anyway, so not a whole lot to see on the fronts. Cameron On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled. BTW how about a photo and spec on that our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards, either. ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 and solid dishes. ) netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector. For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving strange, and it got replaced. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? probably a ruckus on the other end -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind? This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it. After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi card it came with. I fired it up (it is set to any so it simply associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google on
