Re: [WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Ryan Goldberg 
Ah - a reread of the OP indicates you're right - whoops!

Ryan

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Not looking for reset but rather neighbor discovery.  I think!
On Nov 22, 2010 12:37 AM, "Ryan Goldberg" 
mailto:rgoldb...@compudyne.net>> wrote:
> IIRC to recover an an80i from no-man's-land - reboot and connect (telnet) 
> within the first x seconds to ip 192.168.25.1. I think x is 10 or 20. Like 
> run a ping in one window and have our telnet cmd ready in another. I think it 
> starts responding to pings before its telnet server comes to life, so keep 
> that in mind. I've only had to do it one, and that was a few years ago. I've 
> got a couple cold spares I could verify on tomorrow...
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> Ryan
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> I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the CPE out 
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> On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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> You mean the console port?
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>> Does Redline have any management utility?
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Re: [WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
Not looking for reset but rather neighbor discovery.  I think!
On Nov 22, 2010 12:37 AM, "Ryan Goldberg"  wrote:
> IIRC to recover an an80i from no-man's-land - reboot and connect (telnet)
within the first x seconds to ip 192.168.25.1. I think x is 10 or 20. Like
run a ping in one window and have our telnet cmd ready in another. I think
it starts responding to pings before its telnet server comes to life, so
keep that in mind. I've only had to do it one, and that was a few years ago.
I've got a couple cold spares I could verify on tomorrow...
>
> Ryan
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline
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> I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the CPE
out of a hat.
>
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>
> -
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> Mike Hammett
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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> You mean the console port?
> On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:
>> Does Redline have any management utility?
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>> I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
>> settings to work with them.
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>> Then again, I could reset them all to default.
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Re: [WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Ryan Goldberg 
IIRC to recover an an80i from no-man's-land - reboot and connect (telnet) 
within the first x seconds to ip 192.168.25.1.  I think x is 10 or 20.  Like 
run a ping in one window and have our telnet cmd ready in another.  I think it 
starts responding to pings before its telnet server comes to life, so keep that 
in mind.  I've only had to do it one, and that was a few years ago.  I've got a 
couple cold spares I could verify on tomorrow...

Ryan

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline

I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the CPE out 
of a hat.




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On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You mean the console port?
On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> Does Redline have any management utility?
>
> I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
> settings to work with them.
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> Then again, I could reset them all to default.
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Re: [WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
To my knowledge there isn't but I only have an50 ptp links.
On Nov 22, 2010 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the
> CPE out of a hat.
>
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> On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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>> You mean the console port?
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>> > Does Redline have any management utility?
>> >
>> > I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
>> > settings to work with them.
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Re: [WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Mike Hammett 
I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the 
CPE out of a hat.


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On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


You mean the console port?

On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

> Does Redline have any management utility?
>
> I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
> settings to work with them.
>
> Then again, I could reset them all to default.
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
What exactly did Whats up say?  What services failed?

Any other hosts/services?

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On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
> Same switch, next to each other.
>
> n 11/21/2010 7:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Network issue between Whats up and your RouterOS box, not really
>> relevant to the bandwidth manager then.
>>
>> What's the network look like between the two?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Forbes Mercy
>>   wrote:
>>> What's up paged me with all services down but no other devices went
>>> down, it didn't reboot or there would have been a log entry and I
>>> couldn't log into it during this period.
>>>
>>> On 11/21/2010 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 What went down, the RouterOS box?  Did it reboot?  Did it fail to pass
 traffic for a couple of minutes?

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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reeves    
 wrote:
> Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for
> many many reasons.
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy
>     wrote:
>> My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running
>> flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three
>> outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when
>> it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device
>> came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this,
>> anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?
>>
>> store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
>> store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Forbes Mercy 
Same switch, next to each other.

n 11/21/2010 7:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Network issue between Whats up and your RouterOS box, not really
> relevant to the bandwidth manager then.
>
> What's the network look like between the two?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Forbes Mercy
>   wrote:
>> What's up paged me with all services down but no other devices went
>> down, it didn't reboot or there would have been a log entry and I
>> couldn't log into it during this period.
>>
>> On 11/21/2010 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> What went down, the RouterOS box?  Did it reboot?  Did it fail to pass
>>> traffic for a couple of minutes?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reeves
>>> wrote:
 Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for
 many many reasons.

 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
> My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running
> flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three
> outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when
> it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device
> came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this,
> anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?
>
> store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
> store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully
>
> Thanks for your ideas,
> Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
Network issue between Whats up and your RouterOS box, not really
relevant to the bandwidth manager then.

What's the network look like between the two?

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On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
> What's up paged me with all services down but no other devices went
> down, it didn't reboot or there would have been a log entry and I
> couldn't log into it during this period.
>
> On 11/21/2010 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> What went down, the RouterOS box?  Did it reboot?  Did it fail to pass
>> traffic for a couple of minutes?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reeves  
>> wrote:
>>> Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for
>>> many many reasons.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy
>>>   wrote:
 My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running
 flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three
 outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when
 it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device
 came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this,
 anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?

 store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
 store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully

 Thanks for your ideas,
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Forbes Mercy 
What's up paged me with all services down but no other devices went 
down, it didn't reboot or there would have been a log entry and I 
couldn't log into it during this period.

On 11/21/2010 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> What went down, the RouterOS box?  Did it reboot?  Did it fail to pass
> traffic for a couple of minutes?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
>> Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for
>> many many reasons.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy
>>   wrote:
>>> My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running
>>> flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three
>>> outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when
>>> it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device
>>> came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this,
>>> anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?
>>>
>>> store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
>>> store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully
>>>
>>> Thanks for your ideas,
>>> Forbes
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Covad Wireless

2010-11-21 Thread John Thomas 
On 11/21/2010 5:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Has anyone worked with Covad Wireless before?
>
>
Yes, what do you want to know?

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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-11-21 Thread ~NGL~ 
This last time I dropped a total of 5 clients, at about 5 - 15 minutes 
intervals. Then in about 1 hour they suddenly appeared.
I still don't get it.
NGL
  From: ~NGL~ 
  Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:35 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Rained yesterday, bright and sunny today.
From: Jerry Richardson 
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:05 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Getting any weather or wind?

Jerry Richardson 
Sent Mobile

On Nov 21, 2010, at 4:54 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:


  Spoke to soon, starting to drop clients. 
From: ~NGL~ 
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other 
problems.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
NGL
  From: RickG 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.


  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to 
in good weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to 
climb a tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I 
hope!
NGL
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing 
to swap it out?


  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the 
same this morning.

We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained 
on and off, the same thing this morning.
We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, 
and encountered no problems.
I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that 
tower .
NGL
  From: Bret Clark 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the 
antenna was not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop 
off, but after a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until 
the next heavy rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal 
rain that didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain 
with maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 

  Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an 
issue where on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very 
random times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency 
hopping radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, 
the clients dropped off. 


  On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: 
All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. 
and are still on line this morning.
I don’t get it!
The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest 
and furthest from the AP.
Thanx
NGL
  From: Phil Curnutt 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna 
and make sure the radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the 
SWR, should be about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are 
the ones furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or 
damaged and losing signal.

  Phil


  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG 
 wrote:

Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that 
are connected to that AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd 
swap it out with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be 
having some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a 
cavity filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see? 



On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  
wrote:

  Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
  NGL
From: RickG 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
To: W

Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
What went down, the RouterOS box?  Did it reboot?  Did it fail to pass
traffic for a couple of minutes?

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On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for
> many many reasons.
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy
>  wrote:
>> My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running
>> flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three
>> outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when
>> it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device
>> came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this,
>> anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?
>>
>> store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
>> store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully
>>
>> Thanks for your ideas,
>> Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves 
Your hard drive, or possibly the controller, reset. This can be for
many many reasons.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
> My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running
> flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three
> outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when
> it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device
> came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this,
> anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?
>
> store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
> store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully
>
> Thanks for your ideas,
> Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-11-21 Thread ~NGL~ 
Rained yesterday, bright and sunny today.
  From: Jerry Richardson 
  Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Getting any weather or wind?

  Jerry Richardson 
  Sent Mobile

  On Nov 21, 2010, at 4:54 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:


Spoke to soon, starting to drop clients. 
  From: ~NGL~ 
  Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other 
problems.
  Keeping my fingers crossed.
  NGL
From: RickG 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to 
in good weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to 
climb a tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I 
hope!
  NGL
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to 
swap it out?


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same 
this morning.

  We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained 
on and off, the same thing this morning.
  We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, 
and encountered no problems.
  I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that 
tower .
  NGL
From: Bret Clark 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the 
antenna was not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop 
off, but after a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until 
the next heavy rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal 
rain that didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain 
with maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 

Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue 
where on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random 
times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping 
radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the 
clients dropped off. 


On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: 
  All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and 
are still on line this morning.
  I don’t get it!
  The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
  The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and 
furthest from the AP.
  Thanx
  NGL
From: Phil Curnutt 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and 
make sure the radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, 
should be about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the 
ones furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged 
and losing signal.

Phil


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG 
 wrote:

  Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that 
are connected to that AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd 
swap it out with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be 
having some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a 
cavity filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see? 



  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  
wrote:

Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
NGL
  From: RickG 
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.


  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~  
wrote:

I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 
1 has been dropping clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped

Re: [WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
You mean the console port?
On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> Does Redline have any management utility?
>
> I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
> settings to work with them.
>
> Then again, I could reset them all to default.
>
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[WISPA] Redline

2010-11-21 Thread Mike Hammett 
Does Redline have any management utility?

I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP 
settings to work with them.

Then again, I could reset them all to default.


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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-11-21 Thread D. Ryan Spott 
Do you have any sort of trending for this site?  Mrtg? Cacti?

Tranzeo has snmp OIDs for signal and noise. 

ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 4:53 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

> Spoke to soon, starting to drop clients.
> From: ~NGL~
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other 
> problems.
> Keeping my fingers crossed.
> NGL
> From: RickG
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
> Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in good 
> weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to climb a 
> tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I hope!
> NGL
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap it 
> out?
> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
> Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same this 
> morning.
>  
> We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on and off, 
> the same thing this morning.
> We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and 
> encountered no problems.
> I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower .
> NGL
> From: Bret Clark
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna was not 
> sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but after a 
> few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next heavy 
> rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain that 
> didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with 
> maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 
> 
> Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue where on one 
> of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random times...Turn 
> out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping radar crap 
> and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the clients 
> dropped off. 
> 
> 
> On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>> 
>> All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are still on 
>> line this morning.
>> I don’t get it!
>> The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
>> The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and furthest from 
>> the AP.
>> Thanx
>> NGL
>> From: Phil Curnutt
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
>> 
>> Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make sure the 
>> radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should be 
>> about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones 
>> furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged 
>> and losing signal.
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to that 
>> AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap it out with a 
>> known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having some 
>> interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity 
>> filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>> Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
>> NGL
>> From: RickG
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
>> 
>> swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>> I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 has been dropping 
>> clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 15 of 20 that 
>> are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the clients, 
>> with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have come 
>> back.. Any suggestions?
>> Thanx
>> NGL 
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>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-11-21 Thread Justin Wilson 
Sell it on a tiered level.

Charge X number of dollars a month for a backup connection. If they
surpass a certain threshold of usage (aka transfer) charge them full price.
Easy enough to automate with PPPoE and such.
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From: Jonathan Schmidt 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:47:29 -0600 (CST)
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

"Along these lines..." sorry, I'm still LOL at your pun, Ryan.

My family Nokia phones have the Joikuspot app (cost $6) which turns the
phone into a Wi-Fi hotspot through AT&T 3G.  I have an old laptop and
dongle and it becomes the network's 3rd best route.  It gets about 1.2
mbps down and is useful, at least.  However, it's a manual decision but
the VoIP is actually quite useful through it.  In addition, the Nokia
phones have a SIP app built in and it is also a line on my office system.


Who have thought about all this 10 years ago?

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good
premium.  We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with
and adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are
pretty survivable.

Ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" 
wrote:

> I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
> auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our
rural
> poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
> per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the
$30
> (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
> to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
> for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
> poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to
my
> office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.
> 
> . . . j o n a t h a n
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
> 
> I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any

> discount.
> 
> Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
>> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>> 
>> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
>> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
>> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
>> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up
to
>> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
>> they seem receptive to this.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-11-21 Thread Jerry Richardson 
Getting any weather or wind?

Jerry Richardson
Sent Mobile

On Nov 21, 2010, at 4:54 PM, "~NGL~" mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:

Spoke to soon, starting to drop clients.
From: ~NGL~
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other problems.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
NGL
From: RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~ 
<n...@ngl.net> wrote:
Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in good 
weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to climb a 
tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I hope!
NGL
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap it out?

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~ 
<n...@ngl.net> wrote:
Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same this morning.

We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on and off, the 
same thing this morning.
We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and encountered 
no problems.
I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower .
NGL
From: Bret Clark
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
To:  wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna was not sealed 
tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but after a few 
hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next heavy rain 
storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain that didn't 
last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with maybe some 
wind thrown in the mix.

Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue where on one of 
our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random times...Turn out 
damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping radar crap and 
every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the clients dropped off.


On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are still on line 
this morning.
I don’t get it!
The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and furthest from the 
AP.
Thanx
NGL
From: Phil Curnutt
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make sure the radio 
is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should be about 1.3/5. 
 I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones furthest away, if 
the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged and losing signal.

Phil

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG 
<rgunder...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to that 
AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap it out with a 
known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having some 
interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity 
filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see?


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~ 
<n...@ngl.net> wrote:
Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
NGL
From: RickG
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~ 
<n...@ngl.net> wrote:
I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 has been dropping clients 
at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected 
to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the clients, with no success. I 
have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have come back.. Any suggestions?
Thanx
NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-11-21 Thread ~NGL~ 
Spoke to soon, starting to drop clients. 
  From: ~NGL~ 
  Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other 
problems.
  Keeping my fingers crossed.
  NGL
From: RickG 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in 
good weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to 
climb a tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I 
hope!
  NGL
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap 
it out?


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same 
this morning.

  We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on 
and off, the same thing this morning.
  We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and 
encountered no problems.
  I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower .
  NGL
From: Bret Clark 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna 
was not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but 
after a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next 
heavy rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain 
that didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with 
maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 

Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue 
where on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random 
times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping 
radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the 
clients dropped off. 


On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: 
  All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are 
still on line this morning.
  I don’t get it!
  The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
  The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and 
furthest from the AP.
  Thanx
  NGL
From: Phil Curnutt 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make 
sure the radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should 
be about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones 
furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged and 
losing signal.

Phil


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG  
wrote:

  Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are 
connected to that AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap 
it out with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having 
some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity 
filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see? 



  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:

Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
NGL
  From: RickG 
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.


  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~  
wrote:

I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 
has been dropping clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 
15 of 20 that are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the 
clients, with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have 
come back.. Any suggestions? 
Thanx
NGL 
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

2010-11-21 Thread ~NGL~ 
Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other problems.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
NGL
  From: RickG 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.


  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in good 
weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to climb a 
tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I hope!
NGL
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap 
it out?


  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same this 
morning.

We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on and 
off, the same thing this morning.
We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and 
encountered no problems.
I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower .
NGL
  From: Bret Clark 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna was 
not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but after 
a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next heavy 
rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain that 
didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with maybe 
some wind thrown in the mix. 

  Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue where 
on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random 
times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping 
radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the 
clients dropped off. 


  On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: 
All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are 
still on line this morning.
I don’t get it!
The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and 
furthest from the AP.
Thanx
NGL
  From: Phil Curnutt 
  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


  Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make 
sure the radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should 
be about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones 
furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged and 
losing signal.

  Phil


  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG  
wrote:

Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are 
connected to that AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap 
it out with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having 
some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity 
filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see? 



On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
  NGL
From: RickG 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients


swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 has 
been dropping clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 15 of 
20 that are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the 
clients, with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have 
come back.. Any suggestions? 
  Thanx
  NGL 
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[WISPA] Weird Sunday Issue

2010-11-21 Thread Forbes Mercy 
My bandwidth manager an x86 RouterOS Mikrotik has been running 
flawlessly for a month now.  Today I've gotten What's up pages for three 
outages of this device lasting no more than 2-5 minutes.  Normally when 
it goes down so does all my customers but none went down and the device 
came back up on it's own.  I was able to access the log and got this, 
anyone have an idea why it's suddenly doing this?

store debug - adding system drive: primary-master (/dev/hda)
store debug - web-proxy1: disk setup finished successfully

Thanks for your ideas,
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-11-21 Thread Jonathan Schmidt 
I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural
poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the $30
(including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to my
office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any 
discount.

Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.

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On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>
> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to
> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
> they seem receptive to this.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-11-21 Thread Ryan Goldberg 
Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good 
premium.  We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with and 
adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are pretty 
survivable.

Ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt"  
wrote:

> I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
> auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural
> poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
> per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the $30
> (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
> to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
> for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
> poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to my
> office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.
> 
> . . . j o n a t h a n
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
> 
> I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any 
> discount.
> 
> Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
>> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>> 
>> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
>> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
>> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
>> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to
>> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
>> they seem receptive to this.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-11-21 Thread Jonathan Schmidt 
"Along these lines..." sorry, I'm still LOL at your pun, Ryan.

My family Nokia phones have the Joikuspot app (cost $6) which turns the
phone into a Wi-Fi hotspot through AT&T 3G.  I have an old laptop and
dongle and it becomes the network's 3rd best route.  It gets about 1.2
mbps down and is useful, at least.  However, it's a manual decision but
the VoIP is actually quite useful through it.  In addition, the Nokia
phones have a SIP app built in and it is also a line on my office system.


Who have thought about all this 10 years ago?

. . . j o n a t h a n

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Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good
premium.  We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with
and adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are
pretty survivable.

Ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" 
wrote:

> I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
> auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our
rural
> poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
> per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the
$30
> (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
> to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
> for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
> poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to
my
> office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.
> 
> . . . j o n a t h a n
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
> 
> I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any

> discount.
> 
> Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
>> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>> 
>> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
>> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
>> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
>> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up
to
>> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
>> they seem receptive to this.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-11-21 Thread Mike Hammett 
I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any 
discount.

Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.

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On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>
> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to
> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
> they seem receptive to this.
>
> Nick
>
>
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[WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

2010-11-21 Thread Nick 
Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?

I'm looking to offer backup service & want to offer a discount over the 
standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we 
monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as 
their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to 
our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and 
they seem receptive to this.

Nick



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[WISPA] Covad Wireless

2010-11-21 Thread Mike Hammett 
Has anyone worked with Covad Wireless before?


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





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