Re: [WISPA] Coverage at 1533 Chalk Hill Road, Dallas, TX?

[Brad Belton]

Hello Tom,

We can easily reach that location.  Send me any additional details you can
provide off list and we'll see what we can do for you.

Best,


Brad

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Subject: [WISPA] Coverage at 1533 Chalk Hill Road, Dallas, TX?


Anyone? We need a static ip with 1+ meg upload speed. This is for a video
surveillance app. We can provide 12 or 48 volts POE from our solar plant on
the premises.  Currently using 3G - poor results at this location, and no
DSL or cable available.

Thanks,

Tom S.





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Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP

[Mike Hammett]

I came to that conclusion as well.

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On 7/29/2011 3:10 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> A quick search online says you won't find a Catalyst outside of the 6500 
> family which can handle a full table.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>> Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:59 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Cc: motor...@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
>>
>> Depends on which model.
>>
>> I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they 
>> can function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot 
>> handle more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template.
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3
>>
>> On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that 
>> can handle a full table from a few peers.
>>
>> A little more detail would be helpful.
>>
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it?
>>>
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>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
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>>> 787.273.4143
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[WISPA] Coverage at 1533 Chalk Hill Road, Dallas, TX?

[Tom Sharples]

Anyone? We need a static ip with 1+ meg upload speed. This is for a video
surveillance app. We can provide 12 or 48 volts POE from our solar plant on
the premises.  Currently using 3G - poor results at this location, and no 
DSL or cable available.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Josh Luthman]

20 mhz with nv2 might get you upwards of 50 or 60 megs, I am guessing.
On Jul 29, 2011 6:54 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
wrote:
> OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>
> ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
> On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
>> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jerry
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed
link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
wrote:
>> What about below$6k?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.
>>
>> Cameron
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
wrote:
>> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
>> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the
licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the
unlicensed 24 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo
bigger than a 2ft dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>>
>> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish. Aiming should be, well,
rather fun...
>>
>> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
afoul of the field strength limit. 24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but
it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters. I don't offhand know the
formula for converting that to ERP. But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
(Values are from memory, not precise.)
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
wrote:
>> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
other is not
>>
>> --
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http://ionary.com>
>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
>> +1 617 795 2701
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Jerry Richardson]

OK, now just need to find 40MHz of spectrum. Oh wait, there isn't any

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?


ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>> wrote:
> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
> for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something 
> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard 
> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>  wrote:
> What about below$6k?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: 
> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>  
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
> can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
> bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not 
> that much if I have to finance the link.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>  wrote:
> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: 
> wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>  
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain 
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short 
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>>>
>  wrote:
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft 
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish. Aiming should be, well, 
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run 
> afoul of the field strength limit. 24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but 
> it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the 
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters. I don't offhand know the 
> formula for converting that to ERP. But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) 
> output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish. (Values 
> are from memory, not precise.)
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
> mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>>
>  wrote:
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
> is not
>
> --
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> ionary.com
> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
> +1 617 795 2701
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Josh Luthman]

ARC panel and nv2 in 40mhz?
On Jul 29, 2011 6:48 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
wrote:
> What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed
link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:
> What about below$6k?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.
>
> Cameron
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:
> Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish. Aiming should be, well,
rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
afoul of the field strength limit. 24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but
it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters. I don't offhand know the
formula for converting that to ERP. But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
(Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
other is not
>
> --
> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
> +1 617 795 2701
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Jerry Richardson]

What would you use to put together a 100Mbps FDX link for 500 bucks?



- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing 
$6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get 
me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
What about below$6k?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that 
much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

 --
 Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
 ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Voip over fixed wireless ubnt

[Scott Carullo]

What will make the most difference is the firmware you run on them.  Each 
firmware they have released dramatically affects voip performance.


I don't have a good answer for your next question - just use the newest one 
and see how it goes for you, its as good as any of the past ones...  
(5.3.3)  I'm waiting to try a newer 5.5 beta but I haven't felt like 
walking the plank yet.


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Technical Operations

855-FLSPEED x102



From: "Zach Mann" 

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:06 PM

To: wireless@wispa.org

Subject: [WISPA] Voip over fixed wireless ubnt

How many are sucessfully doing this for businesses and what details need to 
be looked at when making sure phones work ?

A SIP company will no longer partner with me as they have a sour taste from 
2 previous wisps that had high latency issues. 

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Re: [WISPA] 8 line ATA

[Scott Carullo]

I'll take this two seconds two share my negative experiences with all 
grandstream products.  They just are not reliable nor do they perform well. 
 Not the phones, the atas (from one to 24 ports) etc.


The SPA8000 seems to be a decent unit and has a plug to go to a block also 
which is nice.


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From: "Gerard Dupont" 

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:46 PM

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 8 line ATA


I've used the GXW4008 and GXW4004 in a few locations. They seem to

work fine. One sip account can roll over to all 8 FXS ports which is

kinda cool. The GXW4008 is ~$200..


Gerard


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> How m uch?

>

>

>

> Gino A. Villarini

>

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> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

>

> 787.273.4143

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>

>

>

> What Patrick said.

>

> I have one on the shelf if you're interested.  It seems to work just as 
well

> as the SPA2x02.  Dozens of deployed SPA2x02 have been amazing for me.

>

> Josh Luthman

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> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Patrick Shoemaker

>  wrote:

>

> SPA8000

>

>

>

> --

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> Looking for a 8 line reliable ATA, any recommendations?

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Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP

[Blake Covarrubias]

A quick search online says you won't find a Catalyst outside of the 6500 family 
which can handle a full table.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

> Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:59 PM
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> Cc: motor...@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP
> 
> Depends on which model.
> 
> I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can 
> function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot 
> handle more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template.
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3
> 
> On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that 
> can handle a full table from a few peers.
> 
> A little more detail would be helpful.
> 
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
>> Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP

[Gino Villarini]

Ebgp full routes, what is suitable in Catalyst world?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
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Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP

Depends on which model.

I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can 
function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot handle 
more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3

On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that can 
handle a full table from a few peers.

A little more detail would be helpful.

--
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On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

> Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it?
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Catalyst for BGP

[Blake Covarrubias]

Depends on which model.

I'm using Catalyst 3750's in my iBGP setup. They work fine. I'm sure they can 
function in an eBGP capacity, but not with a full table. The TCAM cannot handle 
more than 11k IPv4 unicast routes in the desktop routing template.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_tech_note09186a00801e7bb9.shtml#topic3

On the other hand I have a Catalyst 6500 with the Supervisor 2 engine that can 
handle a full table from a few peers.

A little more detail would be helpful.

--
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> Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it?
>  
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Chuck Hogg]

Depends though, a building may have a ton of unlic 2.4/5ghz equipment, and
nothing in the 24GHz space.  If you are shooting a link a half mile to a
mile, it works well for that.
Regards,

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On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed
> link for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
> costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
> sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.
>
> Cameron
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>>  What about below$6k?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
>> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
>> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
>> not that much if I have to finance the link. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
>> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
>> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
>> wrote:
>>
>> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
>> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
>> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
>> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
>> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
>> rather fun...
>>
>> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
>> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
>> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
>> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
>> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
>> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
>> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
>> other is not
>>
>>  --
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

I don't think any unlicensed stuff you can put together will outperform a 
Dragonwave or SAF 24 ghz UL gear, this gear is same as licensed only works on 
UL bands...wire speed, latecy under 1ms Full duplex Same performance as a 
11,18 or 23 ghz unit

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link 
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something costing 
$6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard sell to get 
me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
What about below$6k?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that 
much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  What about below$6k?
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> ** **
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
> not that much if I have to finance the link. 
>
> ** **
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>  
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>
>  
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
>
> 
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

What about below$6k?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more you 
can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite the 
bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is not that 
much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

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g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)


Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> ** **
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> 
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>
> ** **
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
>  --
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Yes short hops... whats your price range for "pricey"

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain fade 
will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short hops, 
though. It still seems a bit pricey.
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com>> wrote:
At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz 2-foot 
dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well, rather 
fun...

But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run afoul 
of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level, but it 
requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the maximum 
field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for 
converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which 
would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)



Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

 --
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 ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>  At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
> **
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the 
licensed band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using 
the unlicensed 24 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you 
can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I guess you are pretty limited.


Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 
GHz 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming 
should be, well, rather fun...


But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably 
run afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a 
power level, but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for 
directivity, and the maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 
meters.  I don't offhand know the formula for converting that to 
ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10 dB) output which would 
mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.  (Values are from 
memory, not precise.)



Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:


There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed 
the other is not


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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

Why not? It has it places, if you need a short high capacity 1 mile link, why 
not go 24 ghz? Save yourself from FCC fees and you can move the link to anywhere

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed 
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24 ghz 
band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft dish, I 
guess you are pretty limited.

Cameron
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

24ghz is unlicensed.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
dish, I guess you are pretty limited.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Me
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> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>  ** **
>
> 24ghz is unlicensed.
>
> *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Gino Villarini]

There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the other 
is not

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

24ghz is unlicensed.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Me]

24ghz is unlicensed.

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[WISPA] Catalyst for BGP

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone using Catalyst Switches for BGP? How well do they handle it?

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Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address

[Dennis Burgess]

Then the VRRP interface is under the VLAN :) and the private IP for VRRP to 
communicate is on the vlan :)  

Preemption is also an issue, so make sure to read up on it.  Remember, VRRP is 
not really designed (even though it can work) as a full router failover method, 
it's really more of an interface by interface thing.  Preemption can keep the 
redundancy, but also, some traffic may be on the secondary router and some on 
the primary (good for distributing load), but the preemption setting will help 
control that. 

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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
> 
> Thanks all! What if the ip addresses are configured on vlans?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
> 
> +1
> 
> The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in routing
> (i.e. the highly available one(s)).  We've used the same config you outline.
> Thanks for taking the time to describe it.
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote:
> > Hi Gino,
> >
> >
> >
> > It can be done.  It isn't well-documented, however.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each
> > router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put
> > the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface.
> > For example:
> >
> >
> >
> > rtr-1
> >
> > ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp
> > only)
> >
> >   vrrp1 = master
> >
> >24.5.20.17/30 <-> 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1
> >
> >24.5.21.1/30 <-> 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2
> >
> >etc
> >
> >
> > rtr-2
> >
> > ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp
> > only)
> >
> >   vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's
> > vrrp1 interface
> >
> >
> >
> > In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate
> > vrrp master/backup only.
> >
> >
> >
> > While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and the
> > /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active only
> > on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface.  The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not
> > active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything.
> > If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes
> > active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were
> > previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface.  You do need
> > to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces.
> >
> >
> >
> > I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way
> > of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1
> > interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily
> > complicated.  In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1
> > interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for
> > management/vrrp traffic.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM
> > To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
> > Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all
> > methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP
> > addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I
> > have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our
> > customers?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini
> >
> > g...@aeronetpr.com
> >
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >
> > 787.273.4143
> >
> >
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