Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Patrick Leary]

Best complete info will come via the Feb 12 webinar.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:42 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> So how can we get some solid info on this thing?  It looks really 
> impressive... but there are so many questions!
> 
> On 1/28/13 9:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> Don't think that's the case
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I knew it was too good to be true...
>>> 
>>> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.
>>> 
>>> :(
>>> 
>>> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
 or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
 I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
 examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
 me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
 
 Patrick Leary
 
 Alvarion
 
 727.501.3735
 
 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
 I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
 
 I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
 CPE?
 
 How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
 
 Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
 
 Pricing?
 
 --
 
 On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 
Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
lot older!
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
 
So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>>
wrote:
 
I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
(filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
versions.
 
The specs on the dual band sector are:
 
2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
 
5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
 
Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
 
2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
5 GHz: 49 dBm
 
Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
the range too.
 
Patrick Leary
 
Alvarion
 
727.501.3735
 
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
Patrick,
 
Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
tower running 3X3?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
>>>> wrote:
 
Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
(obviously in top modula

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Matt Jenkins]

  
  
Any GPS sync available for high density frequency re-use?

On 01/26/2013 02:07 PM, Patrick Leary
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Thanks
for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the
legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has
450 mbps aggregate
(obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
N-based and feature 6
radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The
versions include:
 
WBSn
2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees
with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if
you want.
WBSn
2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis,
again with each band 3x3. 
WBSn
2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3
diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
 
Yes
John, we have client devices, among them:
Dual
Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a
very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor
signal and
re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box.
There
is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
There
is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
 
I
have to check as there may be others.
 
Max
associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps
aggregate.
 
They
all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas
target all the energy to each client and does this on a per
packet decision
basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation.
The radios also
have several other patented interference mitigation
techniques.
 
Alvarion
improved upon the performance of these radios as well
and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete
submersion down to 3
feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks.
 
Patrick
Leary
Alvarion
727.501.3735
 

  From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tyson
  Shreeves
  Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
  To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

  
We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed
  currently and our
  original reason for trying wavion was the amount of
  clients we wanted to
  connect to a single ap.  The most we had was 110 clients
  at one time, but
  we noticed some performance issues at around 80-90
  clients.  The model
  mentioned is BG only not N.  Clients connected were
  roughly 2/3 legacy
  ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it.  Customers
  speeds set from
  512k to 5Mb.  They use something called beam forming I
  believe that
  supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around
  obstacles more efficiently
  and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a
  solid 5-7 miles near
  line of sight.  The new ones they have are BGN and can
  dual band(2.4 &
  5.8) and supposedly can handle double the amount of
  clients.  And another
  plus is the few times we have had issues all ive done is
  create a tech file in
  the web gui email it and they are good about
  troubleshooting with you.  If
  u have specific questions I didn't answer let me know.
  
  
 
  
  
Sent
  from my Verizon Wireless
  4G LTE DROID
  


  
  John Scrivner  wrote:
  
  Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an
  AP? Is it omni
  or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest
  customer link?
  Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only
  use plain vanilla
  Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or
  Proxim WARP or old
  Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many
  deployments?
  Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to hearing
  about all Wavion
  was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a show but I
  am always
  

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Matt Hoppes]

OK so the docs are wrong then.  That's good to know though.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/28/13 9:39 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> See below
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From:* "Dave Clelland" > >
>> *Date:* January 28, 2013, 9:31:22 AM EST
>> *To:* "Patrick Leary" > >
>> *Subject:* *RE: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?*
>>
>> Not from the WBSn.  You can configure either bridge or router mode in
>> the system configuration.  No extra license.  The only extra license
>> is to activate the AP controller that speaks to the Wifi Cloud
>> Controller.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave Clelland
>>
>> Sr. RF & Systems Engineer
>>
>> Alvarion, Inc.
>>
>> *From:*Patrick Leary
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 9:26 AM
>> *To:* Dave Clelland
>> *Subject:* Fwd: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>
>> That true?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes > >
>> *Date:* January 28, 2013, 8:52:58 AM EST
>> *To:* WISPA General List > >
>> *Subject:* *Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?*
>> *Reply-To:* WISPA General List > >
>>
>> I knew it was too good to be true...
>>
>> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.
>>
>> :(
>>
>> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>>
>> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single
>> sector
>>
>> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it
>> just fine.
>>
>> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some
>> pricing
>>
>> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else
>> interested hit
>>
>> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>
>> Alvarion
>>
>> 727.501.3735
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>
>> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>
>> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
>>
>> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace
>> all my UBNT
>>
>> CPE?
>>
>> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
>>
>> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
>>
>> Pricing?
>>
>> --
>>
>> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>>
>>Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
>>
>>Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub
>> $50, outdoor
>>
>>CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm
>> feeling a
>>
>>lot older!
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
>>
>>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>So when can more information about these devices be
>> had?  Is the
>>
>>licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
>>
>>yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what
>> you buy?
>>
>>Sent from my iPad
>>
>>On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
>>
>>> 
>> >
>>
>>wrote:
>>
>>I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and
>> different
>>
>>from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
>>
>>(filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
>>
>>anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
>>
>>WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for
>> apps like
>>
>>smart cities, indoor coverage from outside,
>> stadiums, etc.
>>
>>The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing
>> the sector
>>
>>versions.
>>
>>The specs on the dual band sector are:
>>
>>2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>>
>>5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>>
>>Effective directed EIRP totals are high because
>> they meet
>>
>>the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive
>> beamforming:
>>
>>2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
>>
>>5 GHz: 49 dBm
>>
>>Those of you smarter than I can probably do the
>> math then to

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Matt Hoppes]

So how can we get some solid info on this thing?  It looks really 
impressive... but there are so many questions!

On 1/28/13 9:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> Don't think that's the case
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
>
>> I knew it was too good to be true...
>>
>> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.
>>
>> :(
>>
>> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>>> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
>>> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
>>> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
>>> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
>>> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>>
>>> Alvarion
>>>
>>> 727.501.3735
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>>
>>> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
>>>
>>> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
>>> CPE?
>>>
>>> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
>>>
>>> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
>>>
>>> Pricing?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>>>
>>> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
>>> Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
>>> CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
>>> lot older!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
>>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
>>> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
>>> yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
>>> mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
>>> from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
>>> (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
>>> anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
>>> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
>>> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
>>> The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> The specs on the dual band sector are:
>>>
>>> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>>>
>>> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>>>
>>> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
>>> the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
>>>
>>> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
>>> 5 GHz: 49 dBm
>>>
>>> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
>>> get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
>>> know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
>>> stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
>>> house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
>>> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
>>> should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
>>> bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
>>> the range too.
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>>
>>> Alvarion
>>>
>>> 727.501.3735
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> 
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
>>> tower running 3X3?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
>>> version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
>>> diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
>>> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
>>> N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz
>>> side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
>>>
>>> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120
>>>  

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Patrick Leary]

If configured that way, yes. If not, no.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, "Adam Greene"  wrote:

> I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like 
> cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example, 
> in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents 
> low-cost or free Internet access.
> 
> On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional WiFi, 
>> since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Patrick Leary" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous 
>> ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet 
>> have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not 
>> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, 
>> indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason 
>> why we are doing the sector versions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The specs on the dual band sector are:
>> 
>> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>> 
>> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC 
>> requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
>> 
>> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
>> 5 GHz: 49 dBm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of 
>> range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my 
>> engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away 
>> from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I 
>> am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to 
>> be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that 
>> should help the range too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Patrick Leary
>> 
>> Alvarion
>> 
>> 727.501.3735
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Patrick,
>> 
>> 
>> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 
>> 3X3?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@alvarion.com > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g 
>> version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate 
>> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 
>> radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna 
>> elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.
>> 
>> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with 
>> each band 3x3.
>> 
>> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 
>> diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
>> 
>> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form 
>> factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. 
>> It is a really effective little box.
>> 
>> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
>> 
>> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have to check as there may be others.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all 
>> the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This 
>> helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have 
>> several other patented interference mitigation techniques.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 
>> series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet 
>> deep) boxes and feel like tanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Patrick Leary
>> 
>> Alvarion
>> 
>> 727.501.3735
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
>> Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying 
>> wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The 
>> most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance 
>> iss

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Patrick Leary]

Don't think that's the case

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> I knew it was too good to be true...
> 
> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.
> 
> :(
> 
> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
>> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
>> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
>> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
>> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
>> 
>> Patrick Leary
>> 
>> Alvarion
>> 
>> 727.501.3735
>> 
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>> 
>> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
>> 
>> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
>> CPE?
>> 
>> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
>> 
>> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
>> 
>> Pricing?
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>> 
>>Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
>>Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
>>CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
>>lot older!
>> 
>>Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
>>mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
>>licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
>>yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
>> 
>>Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>>On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
>>mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>>
>>wrote:
>> 
>>I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
>>from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
>>(filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
>>anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
>>WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
>>smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
>>The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
>>versions.
>> 
>>The specs on the dual band sector are:
>> 
>>2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>> 
>>5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>> 
>>Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
>>the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
>> 
>>2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
>>5 GHz: 49 dBm
>> 
>>Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
>>get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
>>know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
>>stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
>>house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
>>porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
>>should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
>>bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
>>the range too.
>> 
>>Patrick Leary
>> 
>>Alvarion
>> 
>>727.501.3735
>> 
>>*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>
>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>*Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
>>*To:* WISPA General List
>>*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>> 
>>Patrick,
>> 
>>Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
>>tower running 3X3?
>> 
>>Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>>On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
>>version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
>>diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
>>(obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
>>N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz
>>side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
>> 
>>WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120
>>degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V
>>details if you want.
>> 
>>WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band
>>omnis, again with each band 3x3.
>> 
>>WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sect

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Matt Hoppes]

This is one of the larger questions in my head what is the market 
target here?  Is it broadband from a tower?  Or WiFi hotspot with high 
density?




On 1/28/13 9:02 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
> I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like
> cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example,
> in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents
> low-cost or free Internet access.
>
> On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional WiFi, 
>> since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Patrick Leary" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous 
>> ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet 
>> have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not 
>> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, 
>> indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason 
>> why we are doing the sector versions.
>>
>>
>>
>> The specs on the dual band sector are:
>>
>> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>>
>> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>>
>>
>>
>> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC 
>> requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
>>
>> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
>> 5 GHz: 49 dBm
>>
>>
>>
>> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of 
>> range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my 
>> engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away 
>> from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I 
>> am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to 
>> be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that 
>> should help the range too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>
>> Alvarion
>>
>> 727.501.3735
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>>
>> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 
>> 3X3?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@alvarion.com > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g 
>> version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate 
>> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 
>> radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
>>
>>
>>
>> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna 
>> elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.
>>
>> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with 
>> each band 3x3.
>>
>> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 
>> diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
>>
>> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form 
>> factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. 
>> It is a really effective little box.
>>
>> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
>>
>> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to check as there may be others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.
>>
>>
>>
>> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all 
>> the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This 
>> helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have 
>> several other patented interference mitigation techniques.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 
>> series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet 
>> deep) boxes and feel like tanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>
>> Alvarion
>>
>> 727.501.3735
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
>> Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying 
>> wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The 
>> most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance 
>> issues at 

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Josh Luthman]

If Ubnt works it's either wifi or airmax.  It ain't no airmax...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Adam Greene  wrote:

> I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like
> cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example,
> in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents
> low-cost or free Internet access.
>
> On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional
> WiFi, since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Patrick Leary" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the
> previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I
> don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international
> examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market
> is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions.
> >
> >
> >
> > The specs on the dual band sector are:
> >
> > 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
> >
> > 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
> >
> >
> >
> > Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC
> requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
> >
> > 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
> > 5 GHz: 49 dBm
> >
> >
> >
> > Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea
> of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source
> (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile
> away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume
> mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as
> well, so that should help the range too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick Leary
> >
> > Alvarion
> >
> > 727.501.3735
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower
> running 3X3?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@alvarion.com >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy
> b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature
> 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
> >
> >
> >
> > WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6
> antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.
> >
> > WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again
> with each band 3x3.
> >
> > WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3
> diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
> >
> > Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small
> form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts
> indoor. It is a really effective little box.
> >
> > There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
> >
> > There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have to check as there may be others.
> >
> >
> >
> > Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.
> >
> >
> >
> > They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target
> all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis.
> This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have
> several other patented interference mitigation techniques.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the
> 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3
> feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick Leary
> >
> > Alvarion
> >
> > 727.501.3735
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]
> On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
> > To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for
> trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single
> ap. T

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Adam Greene]

I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like 
cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example, 
in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents 
low-cost or free Internet access.

On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional WiFi, 
> since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patrick Leary" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>
>
>
>
>
> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous 
> ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have 
> North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not 
> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, 
> indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason 
> why we are doing the sector versions.
>
>
>
> The specs on the dual band sector are:
>
> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>
> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>
>
>
> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC 
> requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
>
> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
> 5 GHz: 49 dBm
>
>
>
> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of 
> range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my 
> engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from 
> his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am 
> not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be 
> safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that 
> should help the range too.
>
>
>
>
> Patrick Leary
>
> Alvarion
>
> 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>
>
>
>
> Patrick,
>
>
> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@alvarion.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g 
> version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate 
> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 
> radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
>
>
>
> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna 
> elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.
>
> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with 
> each band 3x3.
>
> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 
> diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
>
>
>
> Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
>
> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form 
> factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It 
> is a really effective little box.
>
> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
>
> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
>
>
>
> I have to check as there may be others.
>
>
>
> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.
>
>
>
> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all 
> the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This 
> helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several 
> other patented interference mitigation techniques.
>
>
>
> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 
> series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) 
> boxes and feel like tanks.
>
>
>
> Patrick Leary
>
> Alvarion
>
> 727.501.3735
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
> Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
> To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>
>
>
>
>
> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying 
> wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The 
> most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance 
> issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. Clients 
> connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on 
> it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called beam 
> forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around 
> obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually h

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Josh Luthman]

Wait so what's not licensed??  Or is it a brick without one or the other?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 28, 2013 8:53 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> I knew it was too good to be true...
>
> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.
>
> :(
>
> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> > The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
> > or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
> > I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
> > examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
> > me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
> >
> > Patrick Leary
> >
> > Alvarion
> >
> > 727.501.3735
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
> >
> > I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
> >
> > I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
> > CPE?
> >
> > How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
> >
> > Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
> >
> > Pricing?
> >
> > --
> >
> > On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> >
> > Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
> > Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
> > CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
> > lot older!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
> > mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
> > licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
> > yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
> > mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
> > from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
> > (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
> > anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
> > WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
> > smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
> > The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
> > versions.
> >
> > The specs on the dual band sector are:
> >
> > 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
> >
> > 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
> >
> > Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
> > the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
> >
> > 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
> > 5 GHz: 49 dBm
> >
> > Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
> > get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
> > know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
> > stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
> > house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
> > porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
> > should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
> > bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
> > the range too.
> >
> > Patrick Leary
> >
> > Alvarion
> >
> > 727.501.3735
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt
> Hoppes
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
> > tower running 3X3?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
> > version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
> > diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
> > (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
> > N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz
> > side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
> >
> > WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120
> > degrees with 6 antenna elements. I ca

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

[Matt Hoppes]

I knew it was too good to be true...

"Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.

:(

On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
>
> Patrick Leary
>
> Alvarion
>
> 727.501.3735
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>
> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
>
> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
> CPE?
>
> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
>
> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
>
> Pricing?
>
> --
>
> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
>
> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
> Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
> CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
> lot older!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
> yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
> mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
> from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
> (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
> anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
> The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
> versions.
>
> The specs on the dual band sector are:
>
> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
>
> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
>
> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
> the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
>
> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
> 5 GHz: 49 dBm
>
> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
> get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
> know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
> stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
> house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
> should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
> bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
> the range too.
>
> Patrick Leary
>
> Alvarion
>
> 727.501.3735
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
>
> Patrick,
>
> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
> tower running 3X3?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
>  > wrote:
>
> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
> version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
> diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
> N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz
> side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
>
> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120
> degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V
> details if you want.
>
> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band
> omnis, again with each band 3x3.
>
> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector
> and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
>
> Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
>
> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is
> basic