Don't think that's the case Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> wrote: > I knew it was too good to be true... > > "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses. > > :( > > On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector >> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. >> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing >> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit >> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Alvarion >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. >> >> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT >> CPE? >> >> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? >> >> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? >> >> Pricing? >> >> -- >> >> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> >> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. >> Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor >> CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a >> lot older! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the >> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from >> yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different >> from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware >> (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American >> anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not >> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like >> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. >> The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector >> versions. >> >> The specs on the dual band sector are: >> >> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV >> >> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV >> >> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet >> the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: >> >> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm >> 5 GHz: 49 dBm >> >> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to >> get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I >> know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting >> stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his >> house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story >> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I >> should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is >> bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help >> the range too. >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Alvarion >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> Patrick, >> >> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the >> tower running 3X3? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that >> version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis >> diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate >> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are >> N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz >> side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: >> >> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 >> degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V >> details if you want. >> >> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band >> omnis, again with each band 3x3. >> >> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector >> and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. >> >> Yes John, we have client devices, among them: >> >> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is >> basically a very small form factor repeater that picks >> up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a >> really effective little box. >> >> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. >> >> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. >> >> I have to check as there may be others. >> >> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps >> aggregate. >> >> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the >> antennas target all the energy to each client and does >> this on a per packet decision basis. This helps >> considerably with interference mitigation. The radios >> also have several other patented interference mitigation >> techniques. >> >> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios >> as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 >> (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel >> like tanks. >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Alvarion >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tyson >> Shreeves >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>; WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our >> original reason for trying wavion was the amount of >> clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most >> we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some >> performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model >> mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were >> roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo >> on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use >> something called beam forming I believe that supposedly >> just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more >> efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually >> hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The >> new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) >> and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. >> And another plus is the few times we have had issues all >> ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it >> and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u >> have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. >> >> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >> >> >> >> John Scrivner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers >> on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP >> and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency >> results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only >> use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant >> (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? >> Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? >> Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to >> hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do >> when I saw them at a show but I am always hesitant to >> believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor >> delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results >> about this device. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Scriv >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They >> can b a little pricey though. >> >> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. >> >> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP >> (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for >> average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low >> of throughput to be useful. >> >> I don't think anyone has really enough of a >> differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or >> Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik >> has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. >> >> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing >> their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs >> were 90% less expensive. >> >> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to >> be considered. 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