I knew it was too good to be true... "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses.
:( On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector > or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. > I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing > examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit > me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. > > Patrick Leary > > Alvarion > > 727.501.3735 > > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. > > I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT > CPE? > > How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? > > Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? > > Pricing? > > -- > > On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > > Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. > Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor > CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a > lot older! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the > licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from > yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different > from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware > (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American > anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not > WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like > smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. > The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector > versions. > > The specs on the dual band sector are: > > 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV > > 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV > > Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet > the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: > > 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm > 5 GHz: 49 dBm > > Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to > get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I > know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting > stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his > house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story > porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I > should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is > bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help > the range too. > > Patrick Leary > > Alvarion > > 727.501.3735 > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > Patrick, > > Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the > tower running 3X3? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that > version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis > diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate > (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are > N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz > side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: > > WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 > degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V > details if you want. > > WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band > omnis, again with each band 3x3. > > WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector > and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. > > Yes John, we have client devices, among them: > > Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is > basically a very small form factor repeater that picks > up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a > really effective little box. > > There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. > > There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. > > I have to check as there may be others. > > Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps > aggregate. > > They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the > antennas target all the energy to each client and does > this on a per packet decision basis. This helps > considerably with interference mitigation. The radios > also have several other patented interference mitigation > techniques. > > Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios > as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 > (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel > like tanks. > > Patrick Leary > > Alvarion > > 727.501.3735 > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tyson > Shreeves > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>; WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? > > We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our > original reason for trying wavion was the amount of > clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most > we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some > performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model > mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were > roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo > on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use > something called beam forming I believe that supposedly > just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more > efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually > hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The > new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) > and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. > And another plus is the few times we have had issues all > ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it > and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u > have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. > > /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ > > > > John Scrivner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers > on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP > and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency > results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only > use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant > (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? > Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? > Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to > hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do > when I saw them at a show but I am always hesitant to > believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor > delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results > about this device. > > Thank you, > > Scriv > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They > can b a little pricey though. > > /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ > > > > Josh Luthman <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. > > Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP > (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for > average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low > of throughput to be useful. > > I don't think anyone has really enough of a > differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or > Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik > has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. > > Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing > their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs > were 90% less expensive. > > 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to > be considered. 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