Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Afaik the latests Mk builds are ATheros cpu focused, all the latest mikrotik routerboards are atheros based gino -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Butch, You can order the Nano's with 16M of Flash, Ubiquiti has already stated that on their forums. I think the bigger issue would be the CPU that is in the Nano's would not be supported with any current MT builds. They would have to build a new OS for that processor. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: And although I have great respect for StarOS, the Mikrotik community is at least 10x bigger than StarOS... it would make more sense for Ubiquiti to load Mikrotik on the Nano's... ;) First, there is not enough flash on the Nanos to hold MT. IIRC, the flash on the nano is 4M (maybe 8?). I can't recall exactly, but it's not enough either way. That is the only thing that limits the ability to run MT on the Nano, as the remaining hardware is pretty close to the same thing as the RB133C. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
All are the same platform, the differ only on the form factor and antennas gino -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Where? I see LS2/5 and PS2/5 support but nothing for NS2/5. Searching the forum I found: Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:38 pm from oswave We currently have no plans to port oswave to NS2/NS5. And it goes on to ask why and also someone says if you order 1000 they will (likely) do it. I am not able to find it, can you post a link. On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The oswave website says it supports the NS platform -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT has support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone? On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well you all have the option to flash the nanostations with oswave firmware. The oswave has polling... gino -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:21 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I agree with almost everything you said... except the polling part. Having a robust, efficient polling system is the best thing available for outdoor wireless. That is one of the main reasons we are now using Mikrotik is because of their Nstreme and polling system. We are finding now it's not the same quality as Trango's polling, but it does work. How else do you keep a single customer from taking down an entire AP with a large upload (usually from an infection, virus, worm, etc.)? I have tested this over and over and over, and every time I come back to the same conclusion... you have to have a polling system to control the upload, otherwise the customer with the best signal dominates the AP (on the upload side). Here is a very simple test... set up an AP with two connected clients without polling. Start an upload on one client and then try doing a download or even a ping from the 2nd client. My tests show the download and/or ping to be very unreliable and very sporadic. Now, if you turn polling on and do the same test, everything works fine while the upload is running and the 2nd client can't even tell there is an upload running. Um, bandwidth limiting? As long as the AP has the upload speed coming from the client capped to a rate slightly less than the total capacity of the pipe, its not a problem. I'm doing the test right now, and I have rock solid pings, with a little bit of jitter. What we really need is the Nanostation-ROS... a Nanostation running Mikrotik (even for $50 more per unit)... that would be the killer CPE... I would place an order for 500 right now today. :) Or Nanostation-SOS - a Nano running StarOS. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Travis, I'm with you - the Nanostations are a pretty amazing product. I've been deploying Nanostations on 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz with StarOS access points and the performance/interference resistance is pretty amazing at ANY price point. I could say the same thing for the newer Tranzeo CPE units as well, but they can't match up with the Ubiquity price point just yet. It is neat to see a product with many of the Canopy advantages (rich features, small footprint, inexpensive to produce, good interference resistance) that is compatible with the 802.11a/b/g standards and thus able to take advantage of the very innovative Mikrotik and StarOS platforms. I'm curious to see if someone comes up with a good reflector for the Nanostation radios. That would enable the use of the adaptive antenna mode, and since StarOS has the ability to switch connectors on the fly - and potentially polarity if hooked up to a dual-pol antenna - you would end up with a standards based product that would have nearly every feature that the Trangos had that made them special (noise threshold at the AP, software switchable polarity, site survey, etc). No polling, but that is one of the most overrated features anyway. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I would agree... I think there is an opportunity as well. There are some new products in the market recently (Ubiquiti Nanostation) that could shake things up a little. Getting an FCC product with PoE and a Ubiquiti quality radio for $79 is pretty amazing (I will be testing some this coming week). It really makes you wonder how much money some of these companies
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Mk can buy nanostations in bulk, -Original Message- From: Matt Ferre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Looking at the posts on the Mikrotik forum I'd say Mikrotik doesn't exactly like Ubiquiti. And from business point of view I can clearly see why. Who exactly would benefit from porting Mikrotik to NS5? Mikrotik? No, their Routerboard sales would drop and as we see during last two years they are more into selling Routerboard + Routeros package than the software alone. Ubiquiti would be the main beneficiary of that situation and that's why you're not going to see it happen. Never ever. On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT has support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone? My understanding (this is friend of a friend quality info) is that MT and Ubiquity DID have discussions about the NS platform. It is not something that is going to happen out of the box, however with a 16M flash that Travis mentioned, perhaps it is something that could be done. I mean, the cost would be just $45 for the nLevel4 license and only about $23 or so (I can't recall the available pricing) for nLevel3 plus the hardware cost. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/ *Wired or wireless Networks * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents
Iirc, there where plans for a mm2 and mm9 series... gino -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Travis, The Trango 5830 / 900 / 2400 were up/down-coverted 802.11b - not 802.11a systems The only 802.11a multipoint system that Trango had was MM5, and it is my understanding that (1) it was never for 900 MHz and (2) it has been put on hold / discontinued -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents What about Trango? Charles Wu wrote: So, what down converted 802.11a systems are there for 900? Mini-PCI: Ubiquiti Zcomax Vendor Solutions: Tranzeo Alvarion Vecima/WaveRider Wu-Wu Special* *We are doing some exploratory investigation =) -Charles - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Even thought this thread is a bit old, couldn't help but add my 2 cents (as there seems to be a resurgence of puff in this space) DISCLAIMER: I am also a vendor of various WiMAX 802.16d systems - so feel free to apply your necessary 'BS' filter Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same BSU. This isn't all too exciting, IMO - there are plenty of systems out there that have similar (if not better) spectral efficiency characteristics as to what the WiMAX 802.16d standard offers...also, with the uncertainties of 3650 licensing, which is, from an interference protection perspective, not that much different that Part-15, higher order modulation schemes don't do much in the presence of noise Case in point: Why does everyone keep using Canopy 900 MHz systems when you can get an 802.11a OFDM-based down-converted system that delivers 3-4x the throughput? Well, it's a matter of what's actually going to work in the crowded 900 MHz band. 2. multiple vendor support ( currently you have Redline, Aperto, Airspan, Alvarion, all with FCC approved equipment ) The concept of interoperability is one of the most oversold features of WiMAX which needs to be explained... Fictitious Scenario: Say I had deployed Brand A system for my business users, and in order to enable VoIP services, I enable a variety of the more advanced MAC features (rTP for my VoIP)...I set up a variety of service flows that are customized to each user...blah blah blah Problem is, Brand A system, for whatever reason, didn't support UGS and a few esoteric service flow / packet filtering features, but at the time, I'm really not too concerned because (a) my customers don't demand UGS from me right now and (b) the concept of WiMAX interoperability story gives me the conclusion that if I really need UGS, I could just buy / upgrade to Brand X system and retain all of my Brand A CPEs that I've deployed. Now, 6 months later, I've deployed 50 CPE in the field, and business is doing good...so good in fact that 2 customers want to upgrade to a premium service that requires features not currently supported on Brand A AP. Luckily, I have a WiMAX system so I go upgrade Brand A AP with Brand X. Common sense would lead me to believe that Brand X would support all of my CPE's features, plus supporting the enhanced feature of UGS that I need Sorry, isn't going to work As things turn out, the only interoperability testing done between Brand A CPEs and Brand X APs were done at the Best Effort feature set (basic Ethernet connectivity)...additionally, Rf interoperability was done at a 3.5 MHz channel size, and I've been running Brand A at 10 MHz to maximize my throughput (oh, and Brand X only supports 3.5 MHz, 5 MHz 7 MHz channel sizes)...so to get this interoperability, I lose all of my rTP / VoIP prioritization for my entire network, or I have to go out and replace my 20 Brand A CPEs that are running VoIP with Brand X CPEs Oops What's the moral of the story? Ultimately, unless you're willing to run your network at the lowest common denominator, you're basically buying into a proprietary system. 3. Better RF performance ( even with siso systems )
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents
They dont have any ofdm 900 product gino -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents What about Trango? Charles Wu wrote: So, what down converted 802.11a systems are there for 900? Mini-PCI: Ubiquiti Zcomax Vendor Solutions: Tranzeo Alvarion Vecima/WaveRider Wu-Wu Special* *We are doing some exploratory investigation =) -Charles - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Even thought this thread is a bit old, couldn't help but add my 2 cents (as there seems to be a resurgence of puff in this space) DISCLAIMER: I am also a vendor of various WiMAX 802.16d systems - so feel free to apply your necessary 'BS' filter Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same BSU. This isn't all too exciting, IMO - there are plenty of systems out there that have similar (if not better) spectral efficiency characteristics as to what the WiMAX 802.16d standard offers...also, with the uncertainties of 3650 licensing, which is, from an interference protection perspective, not that much different that Part-15, higher order modulation schemes don't do much in the presence of noise Case in point: Why does everyone keep using Canopy 900 MHz systems when you can get an 802.11a OFDM-based down-converted system that delivers 3-4x the throughput? Well, it's a matter of what's actually going to work in the crowded 900 MHz band. 2. multiple vendor support ( currently you have Redline, Aperto, Airspan, Alvarion, all with FCC approved equipment ) The concept of interoperability is one of the most oversold features of WiMAX which needs to be explained... Fictitious Scenario: Say I had deployed Brand A system for my business users, and in order to enable VoIP services, I enable a variety of the more advanced MAC features (rTP for my VoIP)...I set up a variety of service flows that are customized to each user...blah blah blah Problem is, Brand A system, for whatever reason, didn't support UGS and a few esoteric service flow / packet filtering features, but at the time, I'm really not too concerned because (a) my customers don't demand UGS from me right now and (b) the concept of WiMAX interoperability story gives me the conclusion that if I really need UGS, I could just buy / upgrade to Brand X system and retain all of my Brand A CPEs that I've deployed. Now, 6 months later, I've deployed 50 CPE in the field, and business is doing good...so good in fact that 2 customers want to upgrade to a premium service that requires features not currently supported on Brand A AP. Luckily, I have a WiMAX system so I go upgrade Brand A AP with Brand X. Common sense would lead me to believe that Brand X would support all of my CPE's features, plus supporting the enhanced feature of UGS that
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents
Wu-WU Special? Or the Mr. That Said Special? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents So, what down converted 802.11a systems are there for 900? Mini-PCI: Ubiquiti Zcomax Vendor Solutions: Tranzeo Alvarion Vecima/WaveRider Wu-Wu Special* *We are doing some exploratory investigation =) -Charles - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz - my 2 cents Even thought this thread is a bit old, couldn't help but add my 2 cents (as there seems to be a resurgence of puff in this space) DISCLAIMER: I am also a vendor of various WiMAX 802.16d systems - so feel free to apply your necessary 'BS' filter Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same BSU. This isn't all too exciting, IMO - there are plenty of systems out there that have similar (if not better) spectral efficiency characteristics as to what the WiMAX 802.16d standard offers...also, with the uncertainties of 3650 licensing, which is, from an interference protection perspective, not that much different that Part-15, higher order modulation schemes don't do much in the presence of noise Case in point: Why does everyone keep using Canopy 900 MHz systems when you can get an 802.11a OFDM-based down-converted system that delivers 3-4x the throughput? Well, it's a matter of what's actually going to work in the crowded 900 MHz band. 2. multiple vendor support ( currently you have Redline, Aperto, Airspan, Alvarion, all with FCC approved equipment ) The concept of interoperability is one of the most oversold features of WiMAX which needs to be explained... Fictitious Scenario: Say I had deployed Brand A system for my business users, and in order to enable VoIP services, I enable a variety of the more advanced MAC features (rTP for my VoIP)...I set up a variety of service flows that are customized to each user...blah blah blah Problem is, Brand A system, for whatever reason, didn't support UGS and a few esoteric service flow / packet filtering features, but at the time, I'm really not too concerned because (a) my customers don't demand UGS from me right now and (b) the concept of WiMAX interoperability story gives me the conclusion that if I really need UGS, I could just buy / upgrade to Brand X system and retain all of my Brand A CPEs that I've deployed. Now, 6 months later, I've deployed 50 CPE in the field, and business is doing good...so good in fact that 2 customers want to upgrade to a premium service that requires features not currently supported on Brand A AP. Luckily, I have a WiMAX system so I go upgrade Brand A AP with Brand X. Common sense would lead me to believe that Brand X would support all of my CPE's features, plus supporting the enhanced feature of UGS that I need Sorry, isn't going to work As things turn out, the only interoperability testing done between Brand A CPEs and Brand X APs were done at the Best Effort feature set (basic Ethernet connectivity)...additionally, Rf interoperability was done at a 3.5 MHz channel size, and I've been running Brand A at 10 MHz to maximize my throughput (oh, and Brand X only supports 3.5 MHz, 5 MHz 7 MHz channel sizes)...so to get this interoperability, I lose all of my rTP / VoIP prioritization for my entire network, or I have to go out and replace my 20 Brand A CPEs that are running VoIP with Brand X CPEs Oops What's the moral of the story? Ultimately, unless you're willing to run your network at the lowest common denominator, you're basically buying into a proprietary system. 3. Better RF performance ( even with siso systems ) Better RF performance as compared to what? And in what vein? I can easily slant the argument the other way by bringing up an example where a proprietary system outperforms WiMAX Noise Immunity: Are you saying that WiMAX has better noise immunity that Canopy (OFDM vs. FSK...yeah right) NLOS: Are you saying that WiMAX can do better NLoS than 900 MHz? Urban Reflective NLOS: Are you saying that WiMAX can do better Urban NLoS than a MIMO-based 1024-FFT OFDM system? 4. NLOS performance ( OFDM+OFDMA = More difficult shots obtain link ) See above 5. Better QOS support, and service flows ( UGS, NRTPS, ETC can be ) There can be an
Re: [WISPA] Initial 3650 research
Charled, your blog states that you intend to deploy 802.11y , but currently there isnt any gear available. Ubtn xr3 is 11a gear. We have sucesfully negotiated with the local earth station using a telecom law firm. gino -Original Message- From: Charles N Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Initial 3650 research I have done a blog post on my initial findings regarding 3650 and deploying in Southern California. It's quite long and has a number of external references. Hopefully it is of use to some of you. I will be turning out two more posts over the next week or so as well as updating this one with additional information. If anyone else out there has info on 3650 and exclusion zones, please let me know!!! :) Here is the post: http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html Apologies if this is considered spam. -- Charles N Wyble (818) 280-7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners?
You are lucky we are paying about $.30 gino -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? I have been doing solar powered radio sites for 25 years. I will never do one where commercial power is available. Not sure how folks buying panels at $5/watt can think this is a good deal compared with 7 cents per 1000 watts. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles N Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? Charles N Wyble wrote: We are looking to deploy several hundred radios as well for a large scale private network, and want it to be resilient as possible. This includes power and back haul connectivity. Solar looks to be a good backup power option, and with the price of everything increasing perhaps a good primary option? Yeah, apparently people have been doing the math on the power required and the amount saved, and apparently it's significant. Not sure how they can know this without looking at specific equipment, but apparently it's worth seriously looking into, in their opinion. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners?
Not at this moment.just an example of how different can be the power cost... I just paid $850 for my home electric bill this month And i am actively looking for options gino -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? Do you go solar where there is commercial power? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? You are lucky we are paying about $.30 gino -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? I have been doing solar powered radio sites for 25 years. I will never do one where commercial power is available. Not sure how folks buying panels at $5/watt can think this is a good deal compared with 7 cents per 1000 watts. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles N Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? Charles N Wyble wrote: We are looking to deploy several hundred radios as well for a large scale private network, and want it to be resilient as possible. This includes power and back haul connectivity. Solar looks to be a good backup power option, and with the price of everything increasing perhaps a good primary option? Yeah, apparently people have been doing the math on the power required and the amount saved, and apparently it's significant. Not sure how they can know this without looking at specific equipment, but apparently it's worth seriously looking into, in their opinion. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
What was their feedback? I could only see canopy 400 working on this bandthey could also port their wimax solution but thats a different price range gino -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP Mot has been asking their users for opinions as to what they should do there. They were very interested in whether or not we thought it should be standards based. I told them that I wanted a closed proprietary system. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I am not trying to tell people that they should abandon what they have. I am simply trying to make the case for WiMax in 3.65 GHz space. I do not think that is in conflict with what you have deployed. Is Motorola planning to deploy a system for 3.65 GHz? I have not heard anything about that. Scriv On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canopy is outdoor. I don't want interop as I want to control users to my system. The coverage, range, throughput has been totally smoke to date. I am still waiting for 70 Mbps at 70 miles PTMP. We don't roam, allow roaming or want to allow roaming. We don't operate in areas where ITU is a concern. Our systems are very automated I just don't see how any purported WiMax system is better in any way for my Canopy based WISP. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP Here is a list of some of what makes WiMax better than most other WISP solutions out there: -Engineered for outdoor broadband wireless delivery -Strict Interoperability Requirement between all vendors -Standardized platform which has been accepted globally -Support for multiple antenna ie. MIMO, AAS, Diversity, etc. which delivers increased operational coverage area above antything else in the WISP industry. -Roaming and national footprint options across unlicensed and licensed networks -ITU Recognized standard -Mobility options -System automation options This is a partial list. What is most important to remember is that the rest of the world has already built on this standard. I am not suggesting anything radical in saying we need to get up to speed with the rest of the world on what has been accepted as the standard for broadband delivery over wireless in 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz bandspace. Scriv On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently use. I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy into a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of the WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 megs. Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no matter the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth it. I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or Tsunami introduced that just doesn't play well with others. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I do not think we should build our networks for the sole purpose of suckering, err, selling to someone else. I do believe that I want anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not suckering anyone. Why not build something that holds value or appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations for WISPs and better economies of scale. Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a chance to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest of the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of you think it is smarter
Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65
Good point Unlicensed 3.65 does not exist, Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 What is unlicensed 3.65? I have a license. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] unlic wimax on 3.65 Someone I know is looking for unlicensed wimax on 3.65 GHz. I told him I didn't know if that was available (but hadn't looked). Does anyone else have any comments or experience on this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children
That wold require the whole park to be wifi enabled, wouldn't a portable 3g/gps type of thing would be more reliable? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children Roger, I'm not an expert but you are basically on the mark. Ekahau or other location-based systems should be able to track children if the children are wearing active Wi-Fi tags. jack Rogelio wrote: On a conference call today, someone asked if I knew of a solution that a large theme park chain might use to locate missing children. (Not really knowing the market, I (off the cuff) suggested they look at Ekahau. But I told them that wasn't my thing and that I'd have to connect them with someone else who did.) If anyone from this list would like for me to connect you with them, I can certainly try. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links
100 mbps UL = Motorola/Orthogon or Exalt Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Mission critical and unlicensed don't go together. I don't know about that. I've found it faster to avoid/resolve interference in unlicensed, than I have in Licensed. In Licensed, you don't just have the right to change, and you DO get interference in Licensed, and required to spend time working with others to reach resolution. Anytime you rely on others, its going to be a slow resolution. The beauty of unlicensed, is the freedom to take action. As far as getting 100mbps and Unlicensed togeather, well thats a different arguement, and nothing I'd ever try. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. RickG wrote: Any opinions on 100Mbps radios for mission critical 100Mbps PTP links? I need to go 10-15 miles. Licensed or unlicensed OK. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links
Licensed or Unlicensed? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:16 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Travis, What would you use or be cost effective, to get 50Mbps throughput 27 miles Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Dragonwave has been our best radio ever. 18ghz with 2ft dishes shooting 13 miles for 9 months without missing a single ping. We push about 50Mbps across it daily. Trango also has their 18ghz product that is less money than Dragonwave. You can purchase a Trango 100Mbps 18ghz set with 2ft dishes for less than $15k. Upgrade to 300Mbps full duplex is $3,000 extra (software key, so can be added later). Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Any opinions on 100Mbps radios for mission critical 100Mbps PTP links? I need to go 10-15 miles. Licensed or unlicensed OK. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links
Well not really 45 @ 45 ... but they are good radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Trango 45 is supposed to do 45 Mbps at 45 miles for less than $2K per system. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Travis, What would you use or be cost effective, to get 50Mbps throughput 27 miles Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mission critical 100Mbps links Dragonwave has been our best radio ever. 18ghz with 2ft dishes shooting 13 miles for 9 months without missing a single ping. We push about 50Mbps across it daily. Trango also has their 18ghz product that is less money than Dragonwave. You can purchase a Trango 100Mbps 18ghz set with 2ft dishes for less than $15k. Upgrade to 300Mbps full duplex is $3,000 extra (software key, so can be added later). Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Any opinions on 100Mbps radios for mission critical 100Mbps PTP links? I need to go 10-15 miles. Licensed or unlicensed OK. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rapid Link Launches WiMax Service in Atlanta
I thought you were One ring ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Prachar Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rapid Link Launches WiMax Service in Atlanta Importance: High - Atlanta business can now enjoy the only wide-area alternative to ATT - OMAHA, NE - June 3, 2008 - Rapid Link, Incorporated (OTCBB: RPID), a leading provider of WiMax and Communication Services, announced today the official launch of its much anticipated WiMax service offering in the Atlanta Metropolitan area. Following the soft launch of this service in February 2008, Rapid Link has several active customers enjoying the benefits of this cutting edge technology. Due to the overwhelming success of the early release through our Channel Partners, Rapid Link is now offering voice and internet service via WiMax to the commercial public. Operating in the licensed-only 3650 MHz spectrum, customers can now enjoy guaranteed high speed connectivity, voice and internet bundled service, at the best cost/efficiency ratio in the industry. Matt Liotta, Chief Technology Officer of Rapid Link states, We are clearly ahead of the competition and the technology power curve with this offering. Customers are increasingly discovering the limitations of antiquated technologies. Following the recent release of WiMax technologies and equipment in the United States, Rapid link is proud to be a licensed WiMax carrier offering this breakthrough service to our foundation of customers in the greater Atlanta area. About Rapid Link Rapid Link, Incorporated is a Diversified Communication Services company, supplying bundled internet and voice services to Business and Residential customers. Rapid Link offers broadband access via its own facilities to ensure fast and reliable delivery of its content. As a leading licensed WiMAX carrier, Rapid Link is on the cutting edge of this exciting new technology. We are one of the only carriers that can offer an end-to-end solution for our customers without a dependency on any other company's resources. For more information, visit www.rapidlink.com. Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: With the exception of historical information, the statements set forth above include forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainties. The Company wishes to caution readers that a number of important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Those factors include, but are not limited to, risks and uncertainties such as the failure to satisfy contractually agreed upon closing conditions that may delay or prevent the closings of subsequent debt financings contemplated by the applicable agreements; the risk factors noted in the Company's filings with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, such as the trading price of the Company's common stock reaching levels that would cause funding to occur; the rapidly changing nature of technology, evolving industry standards and frequent introductions of new products, services and enhancements by competitors; the competitive nature of the markets for the Company's products and services; the Company's ability to gain market acceptance for its products and services; the Company's ability to fund its operational growth; the Company's ability to attract and retain skilled personnel; the Company's ability to diversify its revenue streams and customer concentrations; and the Company's reliance on third-party suppliers. Contact: Investor Relations Rapid Link, Inc. Tel.: 402-392-7561 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AC relay to reboot DC (PoE devices) suggestion?
Well if you already have AC rebooters on Site, you can go with a AC relay or a DC relay with a wall wart ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC relay to reboot DC (PoE devices) suggestion? You have a cost effective recommendation? I guess we already had all these AC rebooters deployed and I'd rather not have to replace them all and SPEND MORE MONEY if you know what I mean. -Jon Gino Villarini wrote: Why not a DC rebooter? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AC relay to reboot DC (PoE devices) suggestion? I'm looking for an AC relay to reboot our PoE radios and I'll explain as best I know. Basically we have 24/48V DC along with AC at our sites but our remote reboot controllers only have AC outlets on them. What I'm looking for is the ability to reboot our DC devices also with a sort of relay plugged individually into each rebootable AC port that would reboot each DC line individually. Any suggestions? Thanks Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AC relay to reboot DC (PoE devices) suggestion?
Why not a DC rebooter? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AC relay to reboot DC (PoE devices) suggestion? I'm looking for an AC relay to reboot our PoE radios and I'll explain as best I know. Basically we have 24/48V DC along with AC at our sites but our remote reboot controllers only have AC outlets on them. What I'm looking for is the ability to reboot our DC devices also with a sort of relay plugged individually into each rebootable AC port that would reboot each DC line individually. Any suggestions? Thanks Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] encolsures
Go to ebay and do a search for nema enclosure, theres an outfit selling brand new ones 24 x 32 is the biggest I saw Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] encolsures Anybody know of a good source of NEMA 4+ enclosures at least 24x30? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Equipment
What are you standardizing on? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Trango Equipment Guys, We made an internal decision to standardize on our RF equipment. As such, I have some Trango equipment available. If anyone is interested, contact me off list. I have about 20 of the FOX SUs in unopened boxes as well as 5.3/5.8 APs, 900 APs, and 5-10 900 SUs Sincerely, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 336.510.3800 x111 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
Why is he in jail then? Bad lawyer? He should get Tony Montana's lawyer ... he's so good, that by tomorrow morning all the IRS would be working in Alaska Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK M Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Then The JURY members were uneducated boobs... a little reading and it is very evident he should not be in jail.part of the scare tactic the IRS uses every yearsad but true If one wanted to read more http://www.originalintent.org/ Chuck Moses -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: May 19, 2008 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Your wrong, Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years because a JURY felt he should. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no law requiring you to pay income tax, have you ever read any of the U.S. code? Why do you think they want to pass a federal sales tax so bad, cause all this is coming out on the internet and people are starting to stop paying the income tax. Just type income tax on Youtube. That is why Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years... On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps you are one of those that doesn't believe the govt has the right to impose an imcome tax... I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no law requiring you to pay income tax, have you ever read any of the U.S. code? Why do you think they want to pass a federal sales tax so bad, cause all this is coming out on the internet and people are starting to stop paying the income tax. Just type income tax on Youtube. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach While at it, bill the IRS for your time in filling out their data requests which they will use against you. Ditto the census bureau, you must be really steamed when they roll around... Or perhaps you are one of those that doesn't believe the govt has the right to impose an imcome tax... I feel godwins law about to be invoked. Tinfoil hats anyone... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband Visit us @ www.StLBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ __ NOD32 3110 (20080519) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 60 miles (90 KM) P2MP with CPE on Vessels, possible?
You need a ptmp 60 miles radius solution and on a moving vessel to boot? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cheng Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 60 miles (90 KM) P2MP with CPE on Vessels, possible? Hi, There has one inquiry for range of 60 miles, with CPEs on 15 vessels which are floating units. The base station can be fixed location offshore with VSAT while offering 360 degree of broadcasting. Network is planned to carry only data packets while accessing the internet. Can above be done by using 802.11? Any other better solutions? Though 3G/VSAT are possible with monthly payment. Thanks, Kevin Cheng WiBorne, Inc. www.wiborne.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] point to point recommendation?
Going from wifi to Dragonwave / Bridgewave backhauls is a huge jump, there are some intermediate solutions that can fit your bill ... What capacity and range are you needindg? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] point to point recommendation? What do others recommend for a backhaul (e.g. DragonWave, Bridgewave, etc?) when wi-fi just won't cut it? -- Also on LinkedIn? Shoot me an invite: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link
List I have to propose a half mile 100 Mbps upgradable to 1 Gbps Link, I was thinking on 60 or 70/80 Ghz gear, customer budget is below $20k, What are the options? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link
I think they are proxim now ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link Is terrabeam still in business? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] UL 1Gbps Link List I have to propose a half mile 100 Mbps upgradable to 1 Gbps Link, I was thinking on 60 or 70/80 Ghz gear, customer budget is below $20k, What are the options? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
Single 15 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions I've checked out Moto's product brochure and spec sheet on the PTP500 and it's not exactly clear. Are you saying they can do 105Mbps in a single 15MHz channel or across multiple 15MHz channels? Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 On Apr 25, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Ohh, well then take a look at the new motorola PTP500, It can go up to 105 Mbps in a 15 mhz channel, pps processing is over 10k pps Multiple units can be synced with gps for spectrum reuse, it would auto select the cleanest channel to operate in and many other goodies This are the best backhaul radios out there IMHO Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Actually, for the non-900MHz units, we are talking PTP, not PTMP. Using these for backhaul mostly. Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions)
Matt, have you run this tests in similar 802.11a based systems? Mikrotik? OSBridge? StarOS? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions) Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the limits of their radios, I can tell you that we setup an emulated DS1 (CESoPSN) through their radios with a testset running quasi. The test completed without errors during a 30min run. The test subjected to the radios to 2000pps aggregate with an IP payload size of 192k. Latency was as expected given the distance we were testing (1 mile) and jitter averaged 0.7ms. The performance was in excess of what we have seen with 802.11a-based radios, which I believe speaks positively to the MAC changes they made. Again, we didn't test to see what they were capable of; only that they would meet our minimum requirements, which many radios do not. -Matt On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in a 20MHz channel though. -Hal -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400 I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
Ohh, well then take a look at the new motorola PTP500, It can go up to 105 Mbps in a 15 mhz channel, pps processing is over 10k pps Multiple units can be synced with gps for spectrum reuse, it would auto select the cleanest channel to operate in and many other goodies This are the best backhaul radios out there IMHO Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Actually, for the non-900MHz units, we are talking PTP, not PTMP. Using these for backhaul mostly. Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions)
Well all of them have modified mac Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio VendorSuggestions) Straight 802.11a systems do not pass. A modified MAC seems to be required. -Matt On Apr 25, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, have you run this tests in similar 802.11a based systems? Mikrotik? OSBridge? StarOS? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions) Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the limits of their radios, I can tell you that we setup an emulated DS1 (CESoPSN) through their radios with a testset running quasi. The test completed without errors during a 30min run. The test subjected to the radios to 2000pps aggregate with an IP payload size of 192k. Latency was as expected given the distance we were testing (1 mile) and jitter averaged 0.7ms. The performance was in excess of what we have seen with 802.11a-based radios, which I believe speaks positively to the MAC changes they made. Again, we didn't test to see what they were capable of; only that they would meet our minimum requirements, which many radios do not. -Matt On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in a 20MHz channel though. -Hal -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400 I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor should also offer a 900MHz solution for neighborhood coverage (2-3 mile radius) Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
The Canopy SM does this ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future And what do you use to control that bandwidth? Chuck McCown wrote: We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service. And most of them actually get that speed. If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them down. Most are at 768. When the stream or download stops, they go back to wide open throttle. Customers love it. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub? (I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :) ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy. 20 MHz channels. 128:1 (or less) over subscription 10 Mbps First AP and BH would be in the $5K range Second AP would be in the $2K range. (depending on antennas etc). We are waiting to see what the OFDM product will do. Smaller channels. More speed. (more money too). - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client? What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)? What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the licenseholders are. - Jeff On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Patrick, Excellent point on channel sizes! So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , 5.X, 3.6 (we are in a big exclusion zone.) I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers. Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes? Would it use the same channel sizes? Would it help with range and capacity? Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent? In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re:
Re: [WISPA] Future
Is that 2.5 Wimax gear? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real kicker... they will have spent $40 million dollars to roll out 15 cities (this is direct from their GM to me). She was pretty proud of herself with that statement. So that's $2.6 million per city... and I'm talking some cities with 15,000 population (their biggest had 120,000). Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain than the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also there will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't know if they get a special dispensation or what. All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That will erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and capital intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks prefer to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer service and support will always retain the customer. The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base from DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well as they could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash situation from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) from the other. In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web development, OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell opportunities. All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA HDTV. OTA HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and help folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP install and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer service. You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost package. In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will ride this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along for us to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 years, if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Future What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big guys My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to avoid the niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better services with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly TV white spaces) and WiMAX. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [WISPA] Future
More Testing with the NS5: Using 5 Mhz channels ... 17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ... Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, Bursting and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, distance and signal level? -Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and admitted the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available today in UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from WiMAX and back to Redline's UL gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up to the hype. All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the go. Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value driven customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader for fixed wireless. technologies. 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more cell spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts of data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of the antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones.
Re: [WISPA] Future
They don't have a down/up ratio control , but all my test seem like the subscriber unit allotted more BW for Downlink ... No Range data yet... the tx power goes from 0 to 24 db ...Not Bad, and you have that external sma connector for panels , grids and dishes You have the option to software select: Vertical, Horizontal , Adaptive or External Antenna... The adaptive option I assume is to pick the best from all.. The do have some Basic QOS settings (Down / UP MIR) and some 802.x QOS for VOIP and Video With ho traffic, pings were in the 1 - 2 ms range, fully loaded, 1500 byte pings went to about 30 ms Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Bryan Scott Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Holy bat guano robin. I was hoping these things would be a good filler for the smaller areas. Do they have a down up ratio adjust to make them symmetrical for BH use? Any range data? Can they do Canopy ranges? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I interrupt this posting by announcing my recent test with the ubiquity nano station 5 ... Using 20 mhz channels, 24 Mbps downlink , 12 Mbps uplink ... simultaneously ... not gad for a piece of $80 Canopy Copycat ... jejeje Ill keep you guys posted on more recent developments Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub-canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out of the room. - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
I would say that ARPU per employee would be a better metric cause in Chuck case, he has tons of subs with low ARPU, In our case, we have hundreds of subs with a higher ARPU ( avg $170) ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
5850? That channel is not legal .. well in the US at least.. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Sounds like interference on the other channels may be your problem. Gustavo Santos wrote: that exactly the problem i´m having, its just works in one channel, 5860 and 20mhz, when i choose 40mhz and 5850 i get at most 10mbps , worse them the almost 35mbits at 20mhz. the worst problem i could notice is that the alvarion work or dont work, anything diferent from 5860 is 500kbps or doesnt even associate with the base . 2008/4/14, Javier Arigita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My experience is restricted to ETSI B100 (1W EIRP) and to be honest, I agree with you, it was quite difficult to stablish a reliable 60-70Mbps link on more than 2-3km, in urban environment (LOS but a little bit noisy). In average, we have gotten around 40-50Mbps. The 40MHz channel in B100 is very noise sensitive. On 4/14/08, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Javier Arigita wrote: As far as I understand, B100 should give you 35Mbps on a 20MHz channel and max 70 on a 40MHz one..., so the results are quite adequate. With the standard allowances for real-world versus workbench. We've had trouble pushing more than 40Mbps or so on a 40MHz channel, but as even that exceeds our requirements for our B100 links it hasn't been much of an issue. This isn't specific to those radios or even that brand - virtually every piece of networking gear I've ever bought failed to live up to the specs in some fashion. :P David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
Glad you clarified Have you ever tried the Motorla PTP Series? 400, 500 and 600 ? The 500 uses a 15 mhz channel for a top speed of 100 Mbps, the PTP 600 can achieve 300 Mbps with a 30 Mhz channel Give me the coordinates of both sites to give you a idea of the achievable BW of your links, (with interference factor) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Brazil, and Patrick we returned a 5.4 VL gear (AU, and a pack of 10 SU) becouse of the same problem, even in 5.4ghz. 2008/4/14, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 5850? That channel is not legal .. well in the US at least.. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Sounds like interference on the other channels may be your problem. Gustavo Santos wrote: that exactly the problem i´m having, its just works in one channel, 5860 and 20mhz, when i choose 40mhz and 5850 i get at most 10mbps , worse them the almost 35mbits at 20mhz. the worst problem i could notice is that the alvarion work or dont work, anything diferent from 5860 is 500kbps or doesnt even associate with the base . 2008/4/14, Javier Arigita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My experience is restricted to ETSI B100 (1W EIRP) and to be honest, I agree with you, it was quite difficult to stablish a reliable 60-70Mbps link on more than 2-3km, in urban environment (LOS but a little bit noisy). In average, we have gotten around 40-50Mbps. The 40MHz channel in B100 is very noise sensitive. On 4/14/08, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Javier Arigita wrote: As far as I understand, B100 should give you 35Mbps on a 20MHz channel and max 70 on a 40MHz one..., so the results are quite adequate. With the standard allowances for real-world versus workbench. We've had trouble pushing more than 40Mbps or so on a 40MHz channel, but as even that exceeds our requirements for our B100 links it hasn't been much of an issue. This isn't specific to those radios or even that brand - virtually every piece of networking gear I've ever bought failed to live up to the specs in some fashion. :P David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
The 150's are EOL ? whats the replacement? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement... 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
Too bad ... Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
Why you didn't try a PTP400 or PTP600 ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 we bought that B100 to replace a working canopy BH 20 ( 15mbps) 2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Too bad ... Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
I always ask myself, do we really need that much pps? Trading off performance? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 we got the alvarion by the 4pps advertise :/ 2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why you didn't try a PTP400 or PTP600 ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 we bought that B100 to replace a working canopy BH 20 ( 15mbps) 2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Too bad ... Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link
That's maybe because you're on the Alvarion blacklist! Ducking!!! jejee Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link SEND me patrick, I tried getting it off your webpage... its timing out for some reason. tks, jeff On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure
Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working. Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserablefailure http://www.commsday.com/node/228 Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as miserable failure March 20th, 2008 Australia's first WiMAX operator, Hervey Bay's Buzz Broadband, has closed its network, with the CEO labeling the technology as a disaster that failed miserably. In an astonishing tirade to an international WiMAX conference audience in Bangkok yesterday afternoon, CEO Garth Freeman slammed the technology, saying its non-line of sight performance was non- existent beyond just 2 kilometres from the base station, indoor performance decayed at just 400m and that latency rates reached as high as 1000 milliseconds. Poor latency and jitter made it unacceptable for many Internet applications and specifically VoIP, which
Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08
Got another one for sale? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router Wars '08 On Mar 18, 2008, at 12:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Cisco gear is well-supported and pretty darned solid, but is often many times as expensive as the next-best alternative, and the benefits don't always justify the drastically increased cost. That is usually the argument, but it does beg the question. If money wasn't factor would you prefer Cisco? Anyway, that is a silly question. Here is a better one. I am currently paying around $3k for Cisco 12008s that are fully redundant, can handle today's full tables (i.e. greater than 256,000 routes), route at line speed, support MPLS, etc. Can you name any solution that for the same cost could achieve equivalent results? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors
Using a 5.4 - 5.8 sector on 5.3 wont be much of a problem ...maybe loosing .5 db in gain? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors PacWireless has the 5.4-5.8 horizontal sectors for $200... and they are working on a 4.9-5.8ghz version, but not available right now. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Define affordable? I used Radio Waves for my only 5 gig sectors (we're reserving 5 gig for high end customers). $600 each as I recall. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors Hi, Anyone have suggestions for affordable 90 and 120 degree 5.3ghz sector (horizontal polarity is preferred) antennas? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors
What radios? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors Ya, that's what I thought as well... so we deployed about 15 of them on tower sites... and then I did a test by switching customers from 5.3ghz to 5.8ghz (just changing the channel on the radios, with everything else the same) and we see a 3-5db difference. :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Using a 5.4 - 5.8 sector on 5.3 wont be much of a problem ...maybe loosing .5 db in gain? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors PacWireless has the 5.4-5.8 horizontal sectors for $200... and they are working on a 4.9-5.8ghz version, but not available right now. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Define affordable? I used Radio Waves for my only 5 gig sectors (we're reserving 5 gig for high end customers). $600 each as I recall. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors Hi, Anyone have suggestions for affordable 90 and 120 degree 5.3ghz sector (horizontal polarity is preferred) antennas? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors
I could probably be tx loss on the radios too... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors MT with SR5 at the AP and WLM54AG-23 at the client. Tested on two different towers with 5 clients on each. Same results with both locations. I have used the PacWireless 5.8ghz 2ft dishes at 5.3ghz and only saw a 2db difference (at max)... so I figured because the sectors were spec'd down to 5.4ghz that 5.3ghz wouldn't be a problem... but giving up 5db (only on 1 side of the link too, which is weird) is a lot. :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: What radios? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors Ya, that's what I thought as well... so we deployed about 15 of them on tower sites... and then I did a test by switching customers from 5.3ghz to 5.8ghz (just changing the channel on the radios, with everything else the same) and we see a 3-5db difference. :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Using a 5.4 - 5.8 sector on 5.3 wont be much of a problem ...maybe loosing .5 db in gain? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors PacWireless has the 5.4-5.8 horizontal sectors for $200... and they are working on a 4.9-5.8ghz version, but not available right now. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Define affordable? I used Radio Waves for my only 5 gig sectors (we're reserving 5 gig for high end customers). $600 each as I recall. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.3ghz sectors Hi, Anyone have suggestions for affordable 90 and 120 degree 5.3ghz sector (horizontal polarity is preferred) antennas? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Motherboards and cases
www.axiometek.com for high power 1u network appliances Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motherboards and cases The Routerboard 1000 does look like a hot new product. I'd like to learn more about it. In the past we shyed away from Dell, we preferred Super Micro much more for ease to repair, reliabilty, and open standards. However, we are now using Dell for ease of procurement, in a one source ready to go package. The Dell 860 series starts at $750 for a PCI Express 1U version that supports TWO PCI-e or x bus slots, meaning you can put in two Intel 4port Giga cards for a total fo 10 ports, at Wirespeed!! I like the 860s because they are only 21.5 deep. The Dell 2U are also nice, but unfortunteately they are 29 deep, making it hard to fit them places without cables getting banged. Think about it, Mikrotik, MPLS, on a Dell 1U, now compare to Cisco MPLS enabled switch. As far as needing high memory and processing Sure 128mb is fine for a basic router. Even a typical Layer3 switch Cisco 3550s or SMC L3 switches only use about 8-32mb for 11,000 or more routes. But where the higher RAM is needed is when doing large routing tables. Nowadays for a BGP edge router, 512-1m is needed jsut for full routing tables. As well, with higher CPU cycles, it allows the system to be duplixcated for other purposes without slowing down wirespeed through the NICs. We showed there was a performance benefit of having over 2.4G processors, in our applications. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motherboards and cases On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I seen a new routerboard out with like a 1ghz processor, somewhere on the MT site. Routerboard 1000. It is around $1000 list, IIRC. Includes 4 x 10/100/1000 ethernet ports and I think a level 6 license. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45
One of my links is set to 36 Mbps mode and gives 26 Mbps TCP Hdx, I have tested on bench the 54 MBps mode and it topped at 43 Mbps Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Does anyone know what the actual HDX throughput would be with these Trango radios? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 We actually graph our pps usage with one of our Alvarion links. Granted Alvarion can do about 40,000 pps to Trango's 9000pps or so, but our primary link which handles dozens of VoIP calls and a sustanained 30mbit throuput has never peaked above 2200 pps. However, if you got the money to spend, go with the B100, you'll be happy. Otherwise, Trango 45 is for you. (can't comment about StarOS, never used it) Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Similar in the way of price or features? B100 has been able to do VLAN tagging since day one and it also has QinQ. It also supports much higher pps and the capacity stays close to constant regardless of the traffic type -- that important for a backhaul link, especially in a world seeing more and more VoIP. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff - Home Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Patrick... Are you LISTENING too? :) Can we expect something similar from Alvarion? - Cliff On 2/19/08 9:39 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do hear you Patrick. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 FYI a sales rep from Trango just informed me that the TrangoLINK-45 has a newly released firmware that supports VLAN tagging on the management interfaces. It looks like this is what I'll be going with. Patrick, I'd love to use a B100 for this shot but a full link for under $2k is hard to pass up. After all, these are backup links that I would rather not dump a ton of money into. Patrick --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** * --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45
The link is about 6.5 Miles, using Pac Wireless 2' dual pol dishes. -53 signal on both ends. 26 Mbps TCP Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Gino, Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me what the link distance and signal level is as well as what kind of throughput at that distance and signal level? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 One of my links is set to 36 Mbps mode and gives 26 Mbps TCP Hdx, I have tested on bench the 54 MBps mode and it topped at 43 Mbps Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Does anyone know what the actual HDX throughput would be with these Trango radios? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 We actually graph our pps usage with one of our Alvarion links. Granted Alvarion can do about 40,000 pps to Trango's 9000pps or so, but our primary link which handles dozens of VoIP calls and a sustanained 30mbit throuput has never peaked above 2200 pps. However, if you got the money to spend, go with the B100, you'll be happy. Otherwise, Trango 45 is for you. (can't comment about StarOS, never used it) Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Similar in the way of price or features? B100 has been able to do VLAN tagging since day one and it also has QinQ. It also supports much higher pps and the capacity stays close to constant regardless of the traffic type -- that important for a backhaul link, especially in a world seeing more and more VoIP. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff - Home Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 Patrick... Are you LISTENING too? :) Can we expect something similar from Alvarion? - Cliff On 2/19/08 9:39 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do hear you Patrick. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK-45 FYI a sales rep from Trango just informed me that the TrangoLINK-45 has a newly released firmware that supports VLAN tagging on the management interfaces. It looks like this is what I'll be going with. Patrick, I'd love to use a B100 for this shot but a full link for under $2k is hard to pass up. After all, these are backup links that I would rather not dump a ton of money into. Patrick --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). *** * *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). *** * *** * This footnote
Re: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request
Whats your budget? Linksys has one for about $150, then you can step up to industrial type of units(Cisco, Moxa, Etherwan, Garret, Sixnet ect) those will start at about $500 up ... they usually take 12 - 72 vdc Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Strange managed switch request Hey guys, I am looking for an 8-port, 10/100 managed switch for a remote site. It needs to be a small form factor switch. The weird part is that it needs to be 12V DC! Anyone know of such a beast? Thanks in advance, ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
It is http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build it into an antenna. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to lock down the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It does not require a unique version, per se. This is what was done for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Rf Connector is Hirose UF.L type , Retail is $120 ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Anybody know what type of RF connectors are on the board? What should one expect to pay for large quantities of the bare board? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! It is http://www.shelbywireless.com/files/crossroads3.pdf Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! Wonder if the wireless PCB is available without the box? I could build it into an antenna. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to lock down the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It does not require a unique version, per se. This is what was done for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff)
Hey Dave, aren't you here on SLC ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) No, I don't. My guess would be this year, but I really don't know. Dave - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Dave, got a eta for 7.0? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Platypus by nature is very extensible and expandable. We have it control every aspect of our wireless broadband service, having it talk so Mikrotiks, Canopy Prizm, and the like, permitting access, controlling bandwidth, assigning static IP addresses, etc. Much of this capability is there out-of-the-box. Much, much more wireless-specific capability, such as radio/antenna inventory management and integrations pre-designed for wireless operators, will be built in to Platypus 7.0. Dave - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) What wireless stuff has been added? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings Platypus I understand that a wisp here at wispa has worked with tucows to add wireless stuff to it. George Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I am in a pickle here with my client tracking database. We had a propriatary softward made for us and it is not a great scenario for us. This software stored data in an access database and primarily was client contact, reminding renewals for mailing bills...etc... What are you all using that might be a good transition for me... Thanks in advance... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I too would say the same. Initially they did a good job, but soon after they began to be in effective and variable. We contacted them and got very little satisfaction. so, we are now trying mikrotiks at every tower. like a 333... details will follow with our success or failure. We have implemented them at 4 or 5 towers and will be puting them at 30 towers... Ross - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? We purchased a NetEqualizer last year, and we weren't impressed. It did not perform well compared to the Emerging Technologies box we use. The rate limits were not effectively enforced. -Jake Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:16:46 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I have been considering the Net Equalizer as a possible platform for bandwidth management. I know that topics like this often lead to a myriad of posts about bandwidth management normally. If possible I would like to hear feedback from people who have actually used this one appliance to hear about any advantages or disadvantages to use of this device for managing bandwidth in WISP networks. I appreciate hearing from any past or present users of the Net Equalizer platform. All the best, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista(r) + Windows Live(tm). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_T AGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008
Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff)
Dave, got a eta for 7.0? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) Platypus by nature is very extensible and expandable. We have it control every aspect of our wireless broadband service, having it talk so Mikrotiks, Canopy Prizm, and the like, permitting access, controlling bandwidth, assigning static IP addresses, etc. Much of this capability is there out-of-the-box. Much, much more wireless-specific capability, such as radio/antenna inventory management and integrations pre-designed for wireless operators, will be built in to Platypus 7.0. Dave - Original Message - From: Dylan Bouterse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings (Plat Wireless stuff) What wireless stuff has been added? Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing suggestings Platypus I understand that a wisp here at wispa has worked with tucows to add wireless stuff to it. George Ross Cornett wrote: Hey guys, I am in a pickle here with my client tracking database. We had a propriatary softward made for us and it is not a great scenario for us. This software stored data in an access database and primarily was client contact, reminding renewals for mailing bills...etc... What are you all using that might be a good transition for me... Thanks in advance... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I too would say the same. Initially they did a good job, but soon after they began to be in effective and variable. We contacted them and got very little satisfaction. so, we are now trying mikrotiks at every tower. like a 333... details will follow with our success or failure. We have implemented them at 4 or 5 towers and will be puting them at 30 towers... Ross - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? We purchased a NetEqualizer last year, and we weren't impressed. It did not perform well compared to the Emerging Technologies box we use. The rate limits were not effectively enforced. -Jake Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:16:46 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Net Equalizer Anyone? I have been considering the Net Equalizer as a possible platform for bandwidth management. I know that topics like this often lead to a myriad of posts about bandwidth management normally. If possible I would like to hear feedback from people who have actually used this one appliance to hear about any advantages or disadvantages to use of this device for managing bandwidth in WISP networks. I appreciate hearing from any past or present users of the Net Equalizer platform. All the best, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista(r) + Windows Live(tm). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_T AGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan
Hey johhny, I think we might be there is this in the Encantada community? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan Gr - Why didn't I think of Mr. Puerto Rico Wi-Fi himself. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan That would be most likely [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or he could point you in the right direction. -forrest JohnnyO wrote: Will need service at this location. Please respond offline with quotes. This is for me personally. I will be renting this home for 180days. I can do my own install ! ! ! ! and prob have the equipment for it also quote accordingly :) Parque Montebello street 1 A-19 Trujillo Alto Puerto Rico 00976 Regards, JohnnyO 337.368.7188 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT Coverage in Puerto Rico ????
They are the biggest here ... currently running hsdpa on the data network. If you have a national plan, I think you're covered... What cell project you'll be working on? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT Coverage in Puerto Rico We're about to head to Puerto Rico for a cellular project. Can anyone here confirm if ATT/Cingular will work there, and if so, any additional charges ? Thanks, JohnnyO WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
Airspan grant: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP YRequestTimeout=500application_id=686827fcc_id=O2J-365T Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Mike, Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your position. I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my mind the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar with, do not have that same limitation. Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond accurately. But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power for wider channels? I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, that rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and interfere less. In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those who strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more efficient. There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum ediquete. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed documents. It just doesn't have the power. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. I think its important to define country. If you are talking about Idaho with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is the better option. But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 6Mhz channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to acheive high modulations because its noise free. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Exactly. What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in urban areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What problem does this platform solve under that scenario? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It is not for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's only practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput clients. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a new profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move that I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. Scriv Clint Ricker wrote: Tom, I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in terms of deliverables. My
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
I thought it was Airspan 5 mhz channel: 4.07 w 10 mhz channel 7.24 w Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Wow- Thats a huge difference. For those that don't want to pull up the link... Redline: 25Mhz ch: 1.3w AirSpan: 20Mhz ch: 4.07 w AirSpan: 15Mhz ch: 7.24 w Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service and the Redline grant: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP YRequestTimeout=500application_id=549096fcc_id=QC8-AN100UA So Redline unit does have FAR less power available then AirSpan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Airspan grant: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP YRequestTimeout=500application_id=686827fcc_id=O2J-365T Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Mike, Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your position. I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my mind the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar with, do not have that same limitation. Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond accurately. But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power for wider channels? I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, that rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and interfere less. In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those who strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more efficient. There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum ediquete. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed documents. It just doesn't have the power. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. I think its important to define country. If you are talking about Idaho with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is the better option. But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 6Mhz channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to acheive high modulations because its noise free. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Exactly. What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
IIRC, 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 Watts EIRP ... Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why Airspan certification does get really close to it Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service) As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I switch the subject line to match the tread. Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout process. I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity for operators to provide services using 3.65. -Matt Mike Hammett wrote: The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC limitations. My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear can do coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* sector, only about 5 miles. I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it isn't because the power isn't there. The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support higher throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets about 15 megs of throughput with WiMax. Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to the power. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios
Oooh well yeah ... since it uses 2 radio cards ... you are looking to 40 mhz total for regular operation and 80 mhz total for turbo mode ... Also I assume you need to use very separate channels in order to avoid self interference in the dual pol antenna and between the radios inside the enclosure Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios How does StarOS handle frequency usage for FDX? Does it require another channel (and thus another 20 MHz) for FDX operation? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lucaya X-4000 radios Hi all, I did some performance testing yesterday with the new X-4000 radio units from Lucaya and wanted to share the results. These are the new four radio access point/client/backhaul units from Valemount Networks (the authors of StarOS). The latest versions of the firmware now support full duplex operation. I took two units and configured them for full duplex and started running ftp downloads and the starutil speedtest utility to see what the performance looks like. General results were that the boards will handle 30meg in both directions at the same time. If one end is not pushing at full speed, the other end will do more traffic, and that split seemed to max out at 50meg in one direction and 15-20meg in the other. I didn't get any speeds faster than 50 meg. This was using standard 20mhz channels. 40mhz channels didn't seem to do much better as the CPU was maxed out. I'm curious to see what kind of results could be obtained with 2ghz CPU units on both sides using the 40mhz channels. For a $400 unit, I think this is outstanding performance and they are very versatile. I have several up as backhaul links (in regular HDX mode) pulling 25-30 meg at distances of up to 30 miles. I even have one set running on a 62 mile shot that will pull 10-12 meg consistently. They are also great as 5ghz or 2.4ghz access points. We have one that has three 2.4ghz sectors on it and 120 clients between the three sectors. The board is doing an outstanding job and very clearly outperforms the three RB532/SR2 access points that were on the same three sectors before. Here is a link to the Lucaya store: http://www.station-server.com/store/ I have also heard that Streakwave will be carrying this product as well. To me, this is one of the most exciting items to hit the WISP business since I've been doing wireless. I thought it made sense to share it with everyone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite
150's would do 150 mbps hdx in that range Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite Hi- Im looking at the Moto spectra lite units for a link that's just a hair over 1 mile, clear LOS. Vendor spec says they do 150 mb. What actual throughput have others seen using this product? I'm looking for a product that will deliver greater than 70 mb and am considering the spectra lite and spectra series. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite
Dragonwave Horizon Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite RICK, What would you recommend to transport a 50 meg back haul pipe 23 miles? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite I have a couple of these links running about 142 Meg combined RX and TX. Just make sure you use the proper antennas for the path to get maximum bandwidth. The lower the power settings, the more bandwidth you will get. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite Hi- Im looking at the Moto spectra lite units for a link that's just a hair over 1 mile, clear LOS. Vendor spec says they do 150 mb. What actual throughput have others seen using this product? I'm looking for a product that will deliver greater than 70 mb and am considering the spectra lite and spectra series. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 12/7/2007 1:11 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 12/7/2007 1:11 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FS: Soekris Router with t-1 Cards
For Sale: Brand New, 1 month old. Bought for project that didn't went trough: 4 Soekris net4801-48 Board and Case + Sangoma A101u t-1 Card. Soekris price is $640.00 ea., I'll let them go for $550 each or $2k for all 4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
- Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9619 - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] On-Call Compensation
We pay $50 per weekend they are on call $100 per day if they are deployed to the field Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] On-Call Compensation We are wanting to have people be on-call in case of emergencies and for telephone tech support at night on weekends. How do you pay your people for on-call time where they are doing nothing, and how do you then pay them when they work during those time periods? Are there employment rules on this? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Thanks, We have examined the pros and cons of going full dc on our pops, It all comes down to equipment cost vs long time savings on wasted energy. But for out typical POPs we use an APC UPS with External batteries, This setup gives us: Aprox 12 hrs of runtime DC voltage selectivity Low Voltage disconnect Surge Suppression on the AC http snmp remote monitoring remote rebooting capabilities all for about $550 ($150 refub UPS, $50 SNMP Card, $ 350 for 2 AGM Cells) Similar functionality for a DC system is at least 3x the cost It's a no brainer Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? 55VDC at 1.0A Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Eric, Whats the DC output on the OPS-DC? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are exceptions) in our business, in the end run on DC power. Our radios are a good example. The chassis based BS-AU can run on -48 VDC power supplies and supply the necessary DC voltages to the cards and ODUs. The process of running a UPS (which in application is a battery powering an inverter) only to knock down the 120VAC into DC seems overkill. The process is inefficient, generates heat and can be expensive. This process is commonly known as the double-conversion method. Side bar: some UPS units, not all, don't handle power correction. They will kick on during under/over voltage situations but they do little to correct for the quality of the power. Over time poor AC power quality will chip away at the MTBF of everything connected to it. I have also heard that many of the more popular UPS units have trouble with generators, especially the generators that have automatic throttles. If the quality of the generated power is poor it will burn up the MOVs that are in place at the input side of the UPS. But I digress... I think the Telcos have had it right for some time. Although how they got there is another discussion. But in the end DC power affords you some options. A properly engineered DC power plant will take the brunt of bad power and isolate it from your gear. The rectifiers take the hit so to speak and the batteries don't care. Any power events such as brownouts, surges or blackouts don't get telegraphed to the radio equipment. Another point worth noting is the availability of modular-based rectifiers and battery chargers. Lots of options. (I have even seen hydrogen fuel cell units in place a major POPs. Really cool gear.) One WISP who has employed this design had a long outage that almost drained the batteries. They pulled a pickup truck with a full tank of gas up to the site and topped off the DC string. Others have taken the approach of using wind/solar/hydro/utility. Also, if you can build a POP on nothing but DC, think of how much energy you will save just by cutting out the wasted heat that an inverter (or UPS) creates. If the design calls for a cabinet, chances are you will not back-up the air conditioner. Where does all that heat go during a long outage? (DC fans anyone?) Here is the sales pitch. Alvarion manufactures several options in the DC genre. We have the aforementioned -48VDC PS for the BS-SH chassis solution. When you design a system with one radio family (i.e. VL) redundant power supplies can be implemented at the tower. And now, for the Pièce de résistance, we have a DC standalone power supply for VL. It is the OPS-DC. Its input range is 10.5 to 32 VDC and draws less than 1A at 24VDC. Slightly more draw at 12VDC. The temperature range is -31 to +131F. Why all the hoopla? A DC battery charger with a good deep cycle battery and the OPS-DC could run a VL sector for... well, a really long time. This idea will certainly not work for everyone or for every design. But it sure is fun to imagine the possibilities. I hope to hear some creative responses. Thanks for reading. Eric Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
We have had great luck buying refurb APC UPS from www.upsprotection.com Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? A couple of the differeneces I see: the APC has a 2 year warranty vs 90 days on the generic one, also it looks like you can add a ethernet module to the APC for remote monitoring. also the Wattage output is 600W higher on the APC Not sure if that is worth twice the price though. Ryan On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
$125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I don't know Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I have not told you my source :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? And now you just created a bidding war on ebay for them... :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I just bough 50 for $500 with on site delivery by a girl in bikini :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Just bought 5 of them on ebay for $50 each, including shipping. ;) Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: I have not told you my source :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? And now you just created a bidding war on ebay for them... :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire scrap WiMax deal
I concur with Steve Stroh take on this: http://www.bwianews.com/2007/11/good-day-bwia-4.html#more We will see Sprint buying Clearwire and Craig McCaw as CEO of Sprint-Nextel-Xohm-Clearwire Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire scrap WiMax deal I'm certainly not jumping for joy about ClearWire's poor news and performance. I agree with Tom that nearly any wireless failure in the news does not bode well for wireless operators. My point from the beginning was ClearWire is over-valued and therefore the only direction it can take is downward. I believe they are over-valued for one primary reason; they are targeting the mobile user market. This market is clearly dominated by the cellular providers and anyone entering that market is doomed, IMO. Why would anyone opt for a mobile service that only works in a fraction of the area that a competing service offers? Considering the existing mobile service widely available today is performing well and only getting better, why would anyone want to enter this market? Crazy... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Easterling Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire scrap WiMax deal For the record, everyone in the WISP business (manufacturers and WISPs) I talk to about the collapse of the Sprint-Clearwire deal is jumping for joy about the news. I am too. WISPs do not need more competition, and a national WISP like clearwire which added 49,000 new subs in the quarter ended September 30, 2007 is clearly competition. Their market coverage increased from 34 markets last quarter to 48. Yes, it is unlikely that a satisfied WISP customer would switch to Clearwire. But what we are talking about is competition for new customers. And anything that slows down a national WISP that picked up 49,000 new subs in one quarter is good for the small business-WISPs and the smaller manufacturers that supply those WISPs. Also, Clearwire isn't likely, in my opinion, to care about buying most small WISPs. What would they be buying? The technology wouldn't be compatible, from billing to the wireless transmission system to the frequency bands. They could just as easily buy the names and addresses for homes in an small-WISP area and send sales/marketing incentives out. If Clearwire went away tomorrow, small WISPs, WISP distributors and WISP product manufacturers would be far better off. Todd Todd Easterling VP, Corporate Development Marketing Solectek Corporation www.SOLECTEK.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire scrap WiMax deal I'm not sure it is an issue of Clearwire over-evaluation. I personally think it was just a publicity stunt to bring in some new cash last quarter, for both companies. Clearwire and Sprint each own 2.5G spectrum, and its equally worth what it is worth. The real issue is whether someone is willing to pay what its worth, to just deliver WiMax, and share the profits? Companies realize that sometimes they are better off just concentrating on what they do best, and take 100% of the profit on the Business model that they have proven to be Solid. Sprint's mobile division has a clear business model that makes sense, around the EVDO 3G/4G mobile data products. Sprint's business broadband division has a clear business model around Fiber Optics. Sprint's Long distance division has a clear model for selling bits nation/world wide. But when it comes to WiMax, do they have a clear model that will benefit them? Its all about EGO and public perception, and Tier1 carriers do not like someone else getting the Spotlight, its just not good for Investor Relations. Personally, I believe it will help WISPs more, for Clearwire to succeed. It will likely set a record of high evaluation for the industry. Public perception will be... If Clearwire can't do it, and isn't worth it, how can a WISP be? I'll make an unpopular statement that I feel is just plain reality, and the reason Telcos are not likely going to be real competition for WISPs or vice versa. The Wireless business is for scavengers and bottom feeders. Any way you slice it, for a WELL FUNDED Mammoth company, Fiber Optic will ALWAYS be a better business proposition for the PROVIDER, whether talking about business or residential. And for Mobility, 3G and 4G already delivers enough capacity for MOST applications, that are guaranteed success business models
[WISPA] 6 Ghz Questions
Hey List I don't have much experience with licensed 6 ghz so I have the following question based on this scenario: I have the opportunity to acquire a couple of underused 6ghz microwave paths. They are based on Harris DS3 equipment. They are currently installed on towers that are about 500 to 1500 feet from my towers. As you may expect, I wish to move those antennas and paths to my towers in order to save on tower rent. Would this affect in any way the FCC license? What would be the procedure to solicit a move? Would I need to basically start from scratch license wise? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 6 Ghz Questions
Btw: Anyone know how to fit to 6 ghz links into one antenna? Is there a 6ghz combiner? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 6 Ghz Questions Hi, I would contact MicroNet (www.micronetcom.com) and see. My guess would be because you are moving the locations is that you would have to start from scratch. New path analysis, new licenses. Total cost is probably $2,500. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey List I don't have much experience with licensed 6 ghz so I have the following question based on this scenario: I have the opportunity to acquire a couple of underused 6ghz microwave paths. They are based on Harris DS3 equipment. They are currently installed on towers that are about 500 to 1500 feet from my towers. As you may expect, I wish to move those antennas and paths to my towers in order to save on tower rent. Would this affect in any way the FCC license? What would be the procedure to solicit a move? Would I need to basically start from scratch license wise? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 6 Ghz Questions
Ohh yes, got that I guess I'll have to stick to those locations, Ill check with Micronet. Do you know of a way to use 1 6ghz antenna with 2 xmts? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 6 Ghz Questions Hi, I think even without going to decimal notation on the GPS coordinates, they are still accurate to within 100 feet. Also, if the towers they are on now have FCC numbers, then the licenses would have been tied to those FCC tower numbers as well. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Well that's what I thought, but due to the limited availability of 6ghz in the area, I might up end empty handed!. I thought that since the GPS cords provided to the FCC in the path description are not that accurate, I could make a location change within x amount of feet. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 6 Ghz Questions Hi, I would contact MicroNet (www.micronetcom.com) and see. My guess would be because you are moving the locations is that you would have to start from scratch. New path analysis, new licenses. Total cost is probably $2,500. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey List I don't have much experience with licensed 6 ghz so I have the following question based on this scenario: I have the opportunity to acquire a couple of underused 6ghz microwave paths. They are based on Harris DS3 equipment. They are currently installed on towers that are about 500 to 1500 feet from my towers. As you may expect, I wish to move those antennas and paths to my towers in order to save on tower rent. Would this affect in any way the FCC license? What would be the procedure to solicit a move? Would I need to basically start from scratch license wise? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
RE: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For$2.5 Billion
Sweet! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Rowe Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For$2.5 Billion What a considerable profit considering they paid 43.3 million for it in 2002. Re: http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_aloha_plans_test/ Josh Rowe -- NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:37:33 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion ATT To Buy Wireless Spectrum From Aloha Partners For $2.5 Billion October 09, 2007: 07:31 AM EST DOW JONES NEWSWIRES ATT Inc.'s (T) board approved the purchase of wireless spectrum licenses from Delware limited partnership Aloha Partners L.P. for about $2.5 billion in cash. The telecommunications holding company said the spectrum licenses cover 196 million people in the 700 MHz frequency band. The company said the deal enhances its spectrum position by adding 12 MHz of spectrum covering 196 million people in 281 markets. The spectrum covers many major metropolitan areas, including 72 of the top 100 and all of the top 10 markets in the U.S. --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Provider hogging all 2.5 Spectrum?
Hey List, The local Sprint has bought 1 a local Clearwire-like provider, which owned some 2.5 licenses and had Leases for others. Now Sprint is also in negotiations to buy a local WISP who was Leases more 2.5 licenses (Educational). Basically all 2.5 would be owned or leased by Sprint. Isn't there any FCC regulations that prevents a provider from owning all spectrum in band? I know that limitations exists on Cell bands Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Provider hogging all 2.5 Spectrum?
Dang! Time for some 3.65 802.16e gear to hit the market! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Provider hogging all 2.5 Spectrum? No such limitations exists in EBS/BRS, likely because no one can own it all though they can CONTROL it all. They can own some, but 60% is EBS and they can only control those through lease from the primary EBS holders. I know even some small guys that control all the spectrum in their markets. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Provider hogging all 2.5 Spectrum? Hey List, The local Sprint has bought 1 a local Clearwire-like provider, which owned some 2.5 licenses and had Leases for others. Now Sprint is also in negotiations to buy a local WISP who was Leases more 2.5 licenses (Educational). Basically all 2.5 would be owned or leased by Sprint. Isn't there any FCC regulations that prevents a provider from owning all spectrum in band? I know that limitations exists on Cell bands Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php
RE: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik
Soekris.com Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Kneisley Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik if your looking for high-end outdoor, check out http://www.cablefree.co.uk/products_radio.htm 72MB... On 10/3/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found a good solid state rack-mount system for running Mikrotik? In several areas, we are bottlenecked by the 532 boards and was looking for something that would actually handle 100MB of throughput as well as a good amount of queues and VLANs. Any pointers in the right direction are appreciated. Thanks. ___ Don Annas Triad Telecom, Inc. 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.TriadTelecom.comwww.TriadTelecom.com HYPERLINK https://msm.triadtelecom.com/NDDChat/Default.asp?url=http://www.triadtel eco m.com/ndd/dannasCLICK to chat with me now! ___ triadtel-login No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM -- This message was scanned and is believed to be clean. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Provider hogging all 2.5 Spectrum?
Steve, thanks for this great summary. Too bad we didn't hook up @ Wimax world last week Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Provider hogging all 2.5 Spectrum? Gino: No, there's no maximum amount of spectrum that one company can own in 2.5 GHz other than the rules for the commercial portions of the band and the educational parts of the band. Even that partitioning is pretty fluid when the licensees in the educational portion can lease their licenses to commercial entities like Sprint. In fact, it got more concentrated with the merger of SBC and BellSouth; the latter had some 2.5 GHz spectrum which it was required to sell off as part of the merger (BellSouth had a lot more 2.3 GHz spectrum)... and the 2.5 GHz spectrum went to Clearwire. Now Clearwire and Sprint are horse trading to rationalize their respective spectrum holdings in the markets that each has chosen to serve. For example, Sprint is trading its 2.5 GHz spectrum in Seattle to Clearwire, and Clearwire is trading its spectrum in other urban markets to Sprint. Also, there is no longer any limitation on how much cellular spectrum any one company can own. There was such a limitation at one time, but that limitation was gradually phased out. Thanks, Steve On 10/4/07, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey List, The local Sprint has bought 1 a local Clearwire-like provider, which owned some 2.5 licenses and had Leases for others. Now Sprint is also in negotiations to buy a local WISP who was Leases more 2.5 licenses (Educational). Basically all 2.5 would be owned or leased by Sprint. Isn't there any FCC regulations that prevents a provider from owning all spectrum in band? I know that limitations exists on Cell bands Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- Steve Stroh Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
A Fcc certification search gives no results for Tranzeo in 5.4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
So Brad, what did you use? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? This doesn't come as a surprise. We deployed a couple VL units and they were all but shut down due to a less than ideal RF environment. Countless hours over days if not weeks with Alvarion's finest in an effort to remedy the situation were unsuccessful. Reflecting back on our particular scenario it was pretty interesting to see how poorly they handled peak business hours when interfering RF activity was high. The radios would then speed up as hostile RF became less active allowing more airtime for the VL to TX RX. This was arguably one of the more miserable events of our company's entire existence. sigh That said it is fair to say, if the RF is clean the VL radios will scream. Best, Brad Ps. I'll be bracing for Patrick's attempts to discredit me for opting out of Alvarion's $1000 class. grin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Well, since you asked ;-) We tried to deploy an Alvarion 5.4GHz B100 link in Indianapolis. DFS2 kicked in big time. To the point that the radios shut down all frequencies and would not communicate with each other. Sitting in the lab they worked fine. It's possible that at least one side is hearing the radar from the Indy airport, but on all frequencies? We pulled the link down and put it back in the lab. Mike Cowan from Wireless Connections remoted in and check it out but didn't see any issues. We are getting ready to deploy these back out to the tower sites so he can see what they are doing in the field. Zak Wolfinger IT Director CyberLink International Phone: 888-293-3693 Ext. 4357 Fax: 888-293-3995 Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
RE: [WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links
Wonder what would Trango Atlas Backhauls would have performed in that scenario Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Long Distance StarOS links Hi all, Today we finished replacing our long Trango links with StarOS links, WAR-4 boards running version 3 of StarOS - hooked up to 4' Radiowaves dishes. Here are the results: 42 mile shot 10mhz channel size -58 signal strength 10-12meg throughput 62 mile shot 10mhz channel size -60 signal strength 8-10meg throughput I am fairly happy with the links, and they are pushing about double what our Trango Tlink-10 radios were able to handle. I thought they would be able to deliver a little bit higher speed, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get any more out of them. If only I had sprung for the dual polarity feedhorns, I would be able to put two radios on each side and test the full duplex performance of StarOS on these links. I'm guessing that the full duplex shots would be in the 30-40 meg range in both directions since they would not have to deal with the mileage issues. What is really amazing to me is the signal strength. These are the only two links where we use the 4' dishes, and they are the strongest backhaul signals that we have on our network, even though they are the longest. I know that the 2x cloaking is part of that, but it still blows me away. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] tower site monitoring help
Those are nice, no batt voltage sensor tough Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] tower site monitoring help Mac: We use these at a lot of our tower sites to monitor them for these same things: http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-mini.html They work well and connect via Ethernet. They can send out e-mail notifications when something triggers which should be able to send the text message you are looking for. Hope that helps. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] tower site monitoring help I have a tower owner whom we rent space on 6 of his towers that wants to monitor temperature, the door, battery voltage and the strobes via my wireless. He states that he has single simple open/closed contacts at these sites, but I haven't a clue as to what we need to get him connected. He also would like it to notify him via voice mail/text message for an outage. Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions? TIA, Mac ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls
IIRC, the The Orthogon Bracket has openings for pipe clamps ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls I'd got the Pipe to Pipe Clamp route. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls Maybe something like this would work for you. It's not moved in years now... http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/P1010755.JPG Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls List, I'm trying to mount a Motorola PTP 400 series backhaul (Orthogon Gemini) on a pole that is just ever so slightly too large for the mount that is included in the box. Is a larger pole mount made for this radio or am I stuck having to get a set of pipe standoffs and mount a smaller pipe to the existing one? Patrick Shoemaker ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?
Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment
List, Anyone has experience with multiradio (3-4 radios)mesh units. Bel Air, Mesh Dynamics, Strix? Would like to hear your opinions on them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment
Yes please, thanks Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment I am interested as well. I have contact info on my salesman from Bel Air but we haven't purchased anything yet. I can forward it to you if you would like. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment List, Anyone has experience with multiradio (3-4 radios)mesh units. Bel Air, Mesh Dynamics, Strix? Would like to hear your opinions on them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies
From 5735 up to 5840 in 5 mhz steps, 20 mhz channel width Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Standard Motorola 5.8 GHz Channel Frequencies Could someone advise me what the Motorola Canopy 5.7 to 5.8 GHz standard channel center frequencies are? Also, how configurable are these channel frequencies? Can other (non-standard) frequencies be configured? Thanks very much, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Using dif radios for wifi and backhaul isn't mesh any more? How so? I was under the impression that mesh was the ability of the equipment to form a interconnection between the nodes with alternative paths to the Internet feed Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Hi Allen, From the conversations I've had with people trying to use, or just around, mesh gear, it doesn't usually work very well once the network starts to come alive. The old hub and spoke method works best. Some of the new mesh gear uses different channels for broadcast vs. backhaul. But that's not really mesh anymore, it's hub and spoke stuffed into a single box. I'm told that if you insist on running mesh, at least make sure that it never goes more than 2 or 3 layers deep. Personally, in your area, I'd run 900 to mini pops. In the population centers I'd run small micro cells of wifi. Good speeds, cheap installs, lots of flexibility etc. It's good to see ya back. This biz is like a good drug isn't it. Once you are hooked, you can never get very far away. grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times back then. I'm thinking about creeping back into the WISP business. After I sold in 2004, I followed a new trend in wireless in the press called muni wireless promoted by manufacturers such as Strix and Tropos. This concept has taken some major blows in the press this month: http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.htmlhttp://wifinetnews.com/arch ives/007869.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20521155/ http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=41788id=e9381817-0593-417a-86 39-c4c53e2a2a10view=newshttp://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?ne...2a10vi ew=news http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...ng_sitedefault http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/as-earthlink-el.htmlhttp://www.all eyinsider.com/2007/08/...thlink-el.html http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6120 This hits close to home because the company who bought my WISP (ShreveNet) boasted being the largest WISP with the largest muni WIFI network in the nation in Tempe AZ (NeoReach aka Kite aka MobilePro) which sold these properties recently to Gobility. (Big Yawn).. http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wir eless_isp/ I'm certainly am not posting this thread to defend or even discuss the somewhat failed muni wireless concept. Some say it was a failure because of the model rather than technology, caused by giving away free service to the anchor tenant (the city) and so forth. Whatever... I couldn't care less about the past or Earthlink or Google, or MobilePro or huge muni wifi networks. However I am fascinated by the mesh technology in general, especially after witnessing the old Nokia collapsible bridged mesh networks of the 90s. LOL, a lot has changed since then. I often wonder how Dave Peterson and Ultramesh/locustworld turned out. Once upon a time, he sold product to a WISP near me in Vivian LA to build the first mesh network in the US. He ended up with some heavy debt. Also I knew of a WISP in Leesville LA using Wave Wireless (Speedcom) mesh gear with pretty good technical results, that is, for a single radio system. I'm thinking more along the lines of multiple radio systems. I am brainstorming a new WISP model and I am seeking feedback and advice. The concept goes something like this. The muni network model touted in the press had many flaws as I see it. Coming into an urban market after DSL and Cable has to be a steep uphill climb. Yet in 2007 there are still rural areas with no high speed solution in sight, particularly in the wooded Southeast where the old wireless models don't always work. I posted the following statistics to the wireless boards nearly a decade ago as the results of my first 2.4GHz network. In my area (Shreveport LA) 65 out of 100 business surveys came back positive (35 negative) for LOS. This was made possible by multistory buildings and large parking lots (lack of trees) Yet for residential service,
RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Wow! Im witnessing the return of a pioneer! Welcome back Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times back then. I'm thinking about creeping back into the WISP business. After I sold in 2004, I followed a new trend in wireless in the press called muni wireless promoted by manufacturers such as Strix and Tropos. This concept has taken some major blows in the press this month: http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.htmlhttp://wifinetnews.com/arch ives/007869.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20521155/ http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=41788id=e9381817-0593-417a-86 39-c4c53e2a2a10view=newshttp://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?ne...2a10vi ew=news http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...ng_sitedefault http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/as-earthlink-el.htmlhttp://www.all eyinsider.com/2007/08/...thlink-el.html http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6120 This hits close to home because the company who bought my WISP (ShreveNet) boasted being the largest WISP with the largest muni WIFI network in the nation in Tempe AZ (NeoReach aka Kite aka MobilePro) which sold these properties recently to Gobility. (Big Yawn).. http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wir eless_isp/ I'm certainly am not posting this thread to defend or even discuss the somewhat failed muni wireless concept. Some say it was a failure because of the model rather than technology, caused by giving away free service to the anchor tenant (the city) and so forth. Whatever... I couldn't care less about the past or Earthlink or Google, or MobilePro or huge muni wifi networks. However I am fascinated by the mesh technology in general, especially after witnessing the old Nokia collapsible bridged mesh networks of the 90s. LOL, a lot has changed since then. I often wonder how Dave Peterson and Ultramesh/locustworld turned out. Once upon a time, he sold product to a WISP near me in Vivian LA to build the first mesh network in the US. He ended up with some heavy debt. Also I knew of a WISP in Leesville LA using Wave Wireless (Speedcom) mesh gear with pretty good technical results, that is, for a single radio system. I'm thinking more along the lines of multiple radio systems. I am brainstorming a new WISP model and I am seeking feedback and advice. The concept goes something like this. The muni network model touted in the press had many flaws as I see it. Coming into an urban market after DSL and Cable has to be a steep uphill climb. Yet in 2007 there are still rural areas with no high speed solution in sight, particularly in the wooded Southeast where the old wireless models don't always work. I posted the following statistics to the wireless boards nearly a decade ago as the results of my first 2.4GHz network. In my area (Shreveport LA) 65 out of 100 business surveys came back positive (35 negative) for LOS. This was made possible by multistory buildings and large parking lots (lack of trees) Yet for residential service, only 5 came back positive while 95 came back negative. Clearly there is a tree issue in many residential parts of the country. This is the market that has few if any options as many keep hoping for DSL and cablemodem. Chainsaw jokes grow old fast around here. Traditionally the tools for Foliar NLOS have been (a) the use of low frequency spectrum to penetrate through the offending object, and (b) route around the offending object by hopping around it, (c) increase the power to try and punch through the offending objects. Add to these maybe OFDM to use multipath interference to our advantage but I see that as an Urban solution (reflections off buildings) more than a foliar solution (reflections off trees) The 700mw SR9 combined with a cheap SBCs and appropriate TCP routing protocols appears to go a long way to make new things possible. Please imagine a muni wireless mesh network that utilizes 900MHz cards instead of 5.8 and 2.4 cards. Instead of nodes being 1000 feet apart atop light poles, they are now spread 1 or 2 miles apart. Instead of it taking 15 or 20 nodes to cover one square mile, perhaps one node could cover 1 to 4 square miles. Could this be a solution for wooded areas with low to moderate population densities? In other words, do you know anyone who has ever built a mesh network using SR9s and SBCs with multiple radios to achieve redundancy and ubiquitous coverage for small towns in the
RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or 900 pcmcia card for customers Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times back then. I'm thinking about creeping back into the WISP business. After I sold in 2004, I followed a new trend in wireless in the press called muni wireless promoted by manufacturers such as Strix and Tropos. This concept has taken some major blows in the press this month: http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.htmlhttp://wifinetnews.com/arch ives/007869.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20521155/ http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=41788id=e9381817-0593-417a-86 39-c4c53e2a2a10view=newshttp://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?ne...2a10vi ew=news http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...ng_sitedefault http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/as-earthlink-el.htmlhttp://www.all eyinsider.com/2007/08/...thlink-el.html http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6120 This hits close to home because the company who bought my WISP (ShreveNet) boasted being the largest WISP with the largest muni WIFI network in the nation in Tempe AZ (NeoReach aka Kite aka MobilePro) which sold these properties recently to Gobility. (Big Yawn).. http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wir eless_isp/ I'm certainly am not posting this thread to defend or even discuss the somewhat failed muni wireless concept. Some say it was a failure because of the model rather than technology, caused by giving away free service to the anchor tenant (the city) and so forth. Whatever... I couldn't care less about the past or Earthlink or Google, or MobilePro or huge muni wifi networks. However I am fascinated by the mesh technology in general, especially after witnessing the old Nokia collapsible bridged mesh networks of the 90s. LOL, a lot has changed since then. I often wonder how Dave Peterson and Ultramesh/locustworld turned out. Once upon a time, he sold product to a WISP near me in Vivian LA to build the first mesh network in the US. He ended up with some heavy debt. Also I knew of a WISP in Leesville LA using Wave Wireless (Speedcom) mesh gear with pretty good technical results, that is, for a single radio system. I'm thinking more along the lines of multiple radio systems. I am brainstorming a new WISP model and I am seeking feedback and advice. The concept goes something like this. The muni network model touted in the press had many flaws as I see it. Coming into an urban market after DSL and Cable has to be a steep uphill climb. Yet in 2007 there are still rural areas with no high speed solution in sight, particularly in the wooded Southeast where the old wireless models don't always work. I posted the following statistics to the wireless boards nearly a decade ago as the results of my first 2.4GHz network. In my area (Shreveport LA) 65 out of 100 business surveys came back positive (35 negative) for LOS. This was made possible by multistory buildings and large parking lots (lack of trees) Yet for residential service, only 5 came back positive while 95 came back negative. Clearly there is a tree issue in many residential parts of the country. This is the market that has few if any options as many keep hoping for DSL and cablemodem. Chainsaw jokes grow old fast around here. Traditionally the tools for Foliar NLOS have been (a) the use of low frequency spectrum to penetrate through the offending object, and (b) route around the offending object by hopping around it, (c) increase the power to try and punch through the offending objects. Add to these maybe OFDM to use multipath interference to our advantage but I see that as an Urban solution (reflections off buildings) more than a foliar solution (reflections off trees) The 700mw SR9 combined with a cheap SBCs and appropriate TCP routing protocols appears to go a long way to make new things possible. Please imagine a muni wireless mesh network that utilizes 900MHz cards instead of 5.8 and 2.4 cards. Instead of nodes being 1000 feet apart atop light poles, they are now spread 1 or 2 miles apart. Instead of it taking 15 or 20 nodes to cover one square mile, perhaps one node could cover 1 to 4 square miles. Could this be a solution for wooded areas with low to moderate population densities? In other words, do you know anyone who has ever built a mesh network using SR9s and SBCs with multiple radios to achieve redundancy and
RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts! ;-) ... ducking! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of old BreezeCOM shirts still. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed. Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are now vice president. Great job! (I mean that both ways. You do a great job and have a great job) :) Our kids are all growing up! Your daughter must be what about 7 now. Am I close? Mine is 9 and still wears her oversized Mikrotik and Trango T-shirts! :ducking: LOL, She's still waiting for her Breezecom t-shirt.. ;) Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] redline
posibly Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] redline I guess that's my question... I have a competitor that is shooting 30 miles with a Redline 2ft panel pair running 5.4ghz. Even using only 10mhz of spectrum, that's only a -83 signal. Just wondering if he's turned up the power somehow to make that shot. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine the EIRP is still 30. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] redline Hi, Does anyone know off the top of their head the maximum power output of the Redline 5.4ghz product? And the receive sensitivity levels? Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post
Wow, 6 years ago I was toying with Symbol Spectrum24 FHSS cards and APs, Proxim Rangelan2 and RAylink gear Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6.5 years ago... I don't think I was even looking at becoming a WISP then. ;-) --Mike - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post So I was looking through some old material when I came across this glossary of wireless business related acronyms that WISPs should be familiar with in this space. For the new person, it can be daunting to keep track. I sent to this list 6 1/2 years ago. I though it merited a re-send, with some additions. Deeper concepts are further below. Hope it is helpful and if I missed any key ones, please add. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Glossary Common abbreviations and/or acronyms... 477: (Form 477) FCC's mandatory broadband reporting form for commercial operators AAA server: authentication authorization accounting server APD: automatic protocol detection AES OCB: usually just called AES, advanced encryption standard offset code book AIFS: arbitration inter-frame spacing AP: access point ARK: automatic retransmission queing ARS: automatic rate switching ASN-GW: access service network gateway ATPC: automatic transmit power control AU: access unit (same as above) BE: best effort BER: bit error rate BRS: Broadband Radio Service (commercial side of the 2.5 GHz allocation in the US) BSS: basic service set BST: base station (referred more often this way in licensed networks) BWA: broadband wireless access BWIA: broadband wireless Internet access (Steve Stroh's preferred acronym) CBR: constant bit rate CC: convolutional coding CDL: cell distance learning (refers to an automatic process within RF devices) CDMA: code division multiple access CG (or UGS): constant grant or unsolicited grant service CIR: committed information rate CoS: class of service CPE: customer premises equipment C/I: carrier to interference ratio CSMA/CA: carrier sense multiple access/collision avoidance EBS: Educational Broadband Spectrum (2.5 GHz allocated to non-profits, may be sublet), formerly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Television Service) DFS: dynamic frequency selection DFS2 or DFS+: second generation DFS (mandated for all new 5.3 and all 5.4 GHz) DIFS: distributed coordination function inter-frame spacing) DS (or DSSS): direct sequence spread spectrum EIRP: effective isotropic radiated power (expressed in dB) EMI: electromagnetic interference ESSID: extended service set ID FCC: Federal Communications Commission FDD: frequency division duplex FEQ: forward error correction FFT: fast fourier transform mathematical algorithm FH (or FHSS): frequency hopping spread spectrum FIPS: federal information processing standards GFSK: Gausian frequency shift keying HIPPA: Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act IC: Industry Canada (Canadian peer to FCC) IDU: indoor unit IF: intermediate frequency ISM: Industrial, Scientific, and Medical LOS: Line of sight LQI: link quality indicator MAC: media access control MAN: metropolitan area network MIB: management information bit(s) MIR: maximum information rate NLOS: Near/non LOS NMS: network management system NPU: network processing unit OAM: operation, administration maintenance ODU: outdoor unit OET: Office of Engineering and Technology (FCC division responsible for equipment authorization and rules enforcement) OFDM: orthogonal frequency division multiplexing OFDMA: orthogonal frequency division multiple access OBE or OOBE: out-of-band emissions PAN: personal area network Part 15: refers to FCC regulations in Part 15.247 of the Federal Code governing certain UL bands PIU: power interface unit PoE: power over Ethernet PtMP or PmP: point-to-multipoint PtP: Point-to-point QAM: quadrature amplitude modulation QinQ: VLAN type that allows customer to have own VLAN inside the operator's VLAN QoS: quality of service RAN: radio access network RFI: radio frequency interference RSSI: receive(r) signal strength index/indication rtPS: real time polling services RTS/CTS: request to send, clear to send Rx: receive RTCP: real time control protocol RTP: real time protocol SCADA: supervisory control and data acquisition SDR: software defined radio SIF: short inter-frame spacing SIP: session initiation protocol SNR: signal to noise ratio
RE: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post
Don't tell me you have a Closet full of Manta Ray APs and the Orange USB adapters please don't ... jeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post I still have a closet full of RayLink gear I would like to get rid of. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6 years ago I was toying with Symbol Spectrum24 FHSS cards and APs, Proxim Rangelan2 and RAylink gear Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6.5 years ago... I don't think I was even looking at becoming a WISP then. ;-) --Mike - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post So I was looking through some old material when I came across this glossary of wireless business related acronyms that WISPs should be familiar with in this space. For the new person, it can be daunting to keep track. I sent to this list 6 1/2 years ago. I though it merited a re-send, with some additions. Deeper concepts are further below. Hope it is helpful and if I missed any key ones, please add. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Glossary Common abbreviations and/or acronyms... 477: (Form 477) FCC's mandatory broadband reporting form for commercial operators AAA server: authentication authorization accounting server APD: automatic protocol detection AES OCB: usually just called AES, advanced encryption standard offset code book AIFS: arbitration inter-frame spacing AP: access point ARK: automatic retransmission queing ARS: automatic rate switching ASN-GW: access service network gateway ATPC: automatic transmit power control AU: access unit (same as above) BE: best effort BER: bit error rate BRS: Broadband Radio Service (commercial side of the 2.5 GHz allocation in the US) BSS: basic service set BST: base station (referred more often this way in licensed networks) BWA: broadband wireless access BWIA: broadband wireless Internet access (Steve Stroh's preferred acronym) CBR: constant bit rate CC: convolutional coding CDL: cell distance learning (refers to an automatic process within RF devices) CDMA: code division multiple access CG (or UGS): constant grant or unsolicited grant service CIR: committed information rate CoS: class of service CPE: customer premises equipment C/I: carrier to interference ratio CSMA/CA: carrier sense multiple access/collision avoidance EBS: Educational Broadband Spectrum (2.5 GHz allocated to non-profits, may be sublet), formerly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Television Service) DFS: dynamic frequency selection DFS2 or DFS+: second generation DFS (mandated for all new 5.3 and all 5.4 GHz) DIFS: distributed coordination function inter-frame spacing) DS (or DSSS): direct sequence spread spectrum EIRP: effective isotropic radiated power (expressed in dB) EMI: electromagnetic interference ESSID: extended service set ID FCC: Federal Communications Commission FDD: frequency division duplex FEQ: forward error correction FFT: fast fourier transform mathematical algorithm FH (or FHSS): frequency hopping spread spectrum FIPS: federal information processing standards GFSK: Gausian frequency shift keying HIPPA: Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act IC: Industry Canada (Canadian peer to FCC) IDU: indoor unit IF: intermediate frequency ISM: Industrial, Scientific, and Medical LOS: Line of sight LQI: link quality indicator MAC: media access control MAN: metropolitan area network MIB: management information bit(s) MIR: maximum information rate NLOS: Near/non LOS NMS: network management system NPU: network processing unit OAM: operation, administration maintenance ODU: outdoor unit OET: Office of Engineering and Technology (FCC division responsible for equipment authorization and rules enforcement) OFDM: orthogonal frequency division multiplexing OFDMA: orthogonal frequency division multiple access OBE or OOBE: out-of-band emissions PAN: personal area network Part 15: refers to FCC
RE: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot.
Those are nighthawk systems. I have 6 brand new, for sale cheap. (paging carrier coverage was poor) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot. Aren't there some remote reboot devices that use the paging systems ? Does anyone have links to these ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot. I was only aware of the DigitalLogger device at that low a cost point ($89 + $39 for autoping.) If you find the other one, let us know. I believe the The Digital-Logger device does have the ability to allow you to automate scripting into it. Did you check the FAQ on thier website, I thought I saw a help file on that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Remote power Reboot. Hi all, I am looking for a remote power reboot solution that works with telnet and/or auto ping for under $100. I know a couple of months ago I found one googling for about $89, but for the life of me can't find it again(guess I should have bought it then!). I only need AC one outlet for this to reboot a cable modem/router. I can only seem to find Dataprobes stuff, and with a background in electronics and programming, I have yet to see where the gold is at in this for $300. I found this one http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html but it doesn't work with telnet according to the email I just received from them. I guess I could just use the auto-ping feature and not have to use telnet, but the other one I had found did everything I was looking for. I have an access server that I can dial into and access my network, but to reach other gear inside, I have to telnet to them. TIA for any suggestions. Scott Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
