Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GigE pricing
Assuming a 100 meg commit on a GigE port with a 1 year term at a major carrier hotel between $8 and $21 per meg depending on the carrier and your ratio. These days Cogent's pricing is no longer the market leader. Hurricane seems to have taken that up with their $3 per meg for a full GigE. Anyway... bandwidth pricing at major carrier hotels is now so low that is no longer matters much. The big issue now is cross-connect fees have increased in some cases causing them to cost more than the circuit itself. For example, you can get 10 megs from Cogent for $100 MRC, but the cross-connect will likely cost between $75 and $275 MRC. We also have extremely flexible terms for fellow WISPs. See http://as35985.peeringdb.com/ for information on the major carrier hotels we are located at. -Matt Anyone with GigE connectionts that could share how much are you paying for it? Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
Comcast made a splash last year in the wholesale world. First, they placed the biggest order of Cisco CRS-1s. Then they interconnected every city they are in with OC256 links over their own fiber. Then they started peering and worked a deal with Equnix direct to sell wholesale transit. They only sell full commit GigE and 10GigE ports, but the price is right and the performance is awesome. This is what happens when a company builds a modern network without legacy concerns AND has a lot of money. BTW, you might have missed that Comcast is actually a pretty major content company. They own E!, Style, Golf Channel, G4, various sports channels, the 76ers, the flyers, and several other content producers I can't think of. While those properties may be content in the traditional sense as opposed to the web sense; Comcast is a big enough deal to leverage this situation as they enter new markets such as wholesale internet. -Matt Well, Comcast typically does not provide their own transit, they buy transit from others. There are reasons for that, for example because they may buy effectively since they do mostly download and provide little content, or to stay focused on their core competency which is not transit. That does not mean they couldn't or don't have a model to sell transport. For example, Cox sells wholesale transport bandwidth. But there is little motive for them to give you a good price, when you are in competition to them. I'd argue anywhere you'd want to pick up a connection from them, where they'd sell it to you, you'd probably have options from other companies for a better price. But not my place to speak for them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: grant gr...@eawireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth from Comcast? Thanks, Grant WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
Matt Do you have any idea on Their pricing? Do they peer in south Fl? I am aware of their pricing, but like always there several variables involved. They are at all the major carrier hotels including NOTA in Miami. Of course if you are looking for bandwidth at NOTA we can help you out. Comcast transit is probably not appropriate unless you have gigs of bandwidth needs. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
We have several customers in the market with trials or actually deployed. I cant help if they all havent gotten their FCC licenses *duck*, or fully executed in their plans. Remember as well, not EVERYONE uses 3.65ghz, and many customers use 5.8 or 5.4. Actually you can help. As a participant in the 3650 ecosystem you should be highly interested in everyone playing by the same rules. After all, if 3650 gets ruined you'll have a hard time selling 3650 radios. As far as Tolly marcus being employed by aperto, he does work as a contractor for Wireless Connections in sales, but is actively engaged in deploying his networks throughout his focused regions. Its not all however, 3.65ghz. We don't actually make a press release every time we win an operator account either, nor do any other manufacturers. Additionally, in 3.65ghz, I don't believe alvarion is shipping a fully implemented true e system but rather a modified D system with diversity and MRC. That may be, but Aperto did issue a press release for one customer. And, it turns out that customer only has one radio authorization. Further, you mention Tolly Marcus, but what about you? Did you not represent yourself at WiMAX World as a Zing employee? What are people supposed to think given the situation? Did Zing pick Aperto based on merit or an employee relationship? Does Zing have more than one Aperto radio deployed? Either they haven't deployed many radios or they have done so illegally. Both possibilities seem to make them a poor choice for Aperto to use as a representative customer. This is especially true given both Patrick and your statements regarding how little Aperto issues press releases. Shouldn't that mean the press releases actually issued are more important? Remember as well we didn't release 3.650 product until about 6 months after Redline, so you cant expect there to be a lot out there for you to find in the FCC database. As well, we have a lot more history, more products, and actually more carrier customers than Redline does internationally and in the US. If you would like a list of our US or international customer base, feel free to hit me off list. Sure I'll take a list. Finally I find that many operators recommend what they buy: in your case you bought a bunch of Redline. Most folks would never make a reccmeondation for another solution esp when they work for a publically traded company, that would look pretty bad wouldn't it? You have your Bias, and will likely stick to that. With the same thing in mind, your business model is quite unique in the market as you sell large PTP connections and not multipoint connections to small business / consumer. Redline may be a good fit for you then. Please however don't make any judgements on our product when you have never tested it, deployed it, received a quotation, or talked to one of our many customers. You must not have read my post thoroughly. I specifically pointed out that I don't have any direct experience with Aperto. However, I needed to provide a reasoned response as to why I didn't suggest Aperto as a WiMAX vendor. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
That may be, but Aperto did issue a press release for one customer. And, it turns out that customer only has one radio authorization. Further, you mention Tolly Marcus, but what about you? Did you not represent yourself at WiMAX World as a Zing employee? What are people supposed to think given the situation? Did Zing pick Aperto based on merit or an employee relationship? Does Zing have more than one Aperto radio deployed? Either they haven't deployed many radios or they have done so illegally. Both possibilities seem to make them a poor choice for Aperto to use as a representative customer. This is especially true given both Patrick and your statements regarding how little Aperto issues press releases. Shouldn't that mean the press releases actually issued are more important? It turns out I made a mistake. In further reading it appears that Zing is not the only customer Aperto issued a press release for. There was also a press release issued for NextPhase Wireless now called MetroConnect. Interestingly, MetroConnect has zero radio authorizations. Also of interest is the following quote from the Aperto press release: This is the first of many significant wins we expect to announce this year in the 3.65 GHz band in the U.S., said Manish Gupta, Vice President of Marketing Alliances for Aperto Networks and WiMAX Forum Board Member. The above quote seems to suggest to the reader that MetroConnect is a significant win and that Aperto would announce additional significant wins in the future. To date the only other announcement was Zing. Now maybe MetroConnect bought a bunch of radios and didn't bother to register them with the FCC. Of course, you have to wonder how significant of a win MetroConnect could be when during the quarter the press release was issued MetroConnect's SEC filings state they had $2k of cash on hand. Since that time MetroConnect's revenue has declined each quarter and now they state their cash on hand is $0. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix
Anyone else having a problem viewing the images at netflix.com? All the images are coming up broken links The images on netflix.com are hosted by a CDN, which is why your connectivity to netflix.com itself has nothing to do with the images. By chance does your company or one of your upstreams use Cogent? If so, you may want to be aware that Cogent depeered Limelight and WV Fiber recently both of which are heavy content distributors. We are peered with both Limelight and WV Fiber. We pull a lot of traffic from them, so the move by Cogent caused some serious distribution. It also makes the experience of Cogent customers that much worse. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Notes
Stating that the crowd was overcapacity is an understatement. There was standing room only both in the room and outside in the hallway. Further, many people didn't stay because there was no room. Additionally, the folks who put together the booth and arranged for WISP Member ribbons on our badges did an awesome job. The booth made it clear what WISP was about and the benefits of joining. The messaging was right on and I think the public perception generated by this event is going to be tremendous. -Matt WISPA held its biannual reception at ISPCON last night. Attendance was fabulous with a crowd that reached overcapacity for the room we had reserved. We want to thank all members, potential members and vendors who came to the reception and shared this time with us. The highlight of the evening was the announcement of the WISPA Outstanding WISP Operator of the Year Award. President Matt Larsen made this presentation following an outstanding speech about WISPA, our accomplishments and our goals for the future. This years winner was Travis Johnson of IDA.Net. Travis received a very nice plaque for his accomplishments of serving around 4000 clients in the rough terrain of Idaho. Our sincere congratulations go out to Travis, his staff and his family. Great Job! We also want to thank Imagestream and Powercode for sponsoring the reception. Without vendor support, many events such as this would not be possible. Special thanks to JC Utter and John Wright for stepping up to the plate this year. We also held a raffle at the end of the reception. Doorprizes were donated by many vendors and the winners are listed below. Thanks to all the vendors who supported this raffle. CTI NetSapiens (5) $500 discount on a NetSapiens Starter Pack Donny Smith Jaguar Communications Nathan Stooke Wisper ISP Mark Lemmo I Node Infotech Marcus Mamolen Giglinx Patrick Nix Computer Network Solutions CTI (5) Free RB/153 with indoor cases with your next purchase from CTI James McDonald Homeland Internet Walter Mendizabal Metrocom Mark Perrone W-PNP Dave Giles Invisimax Robert Gruhn High Density Network Butch Evans Consulting Free Hour of Consulting for Imagestream, Mikrotik or StarOS Dan Lubar Relay Services Alvarion (1) Free BH100 Backhaul Mike Delp Wisper ISP Jack Unger (1) Autographed Copy of Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Scott Cress Hughes Ascendance - GWP116VE Access Point Client Bridge FCC Certified Jeff Crews Eastern Oregon Net Wisp-Router (1) 10% Discount on next purchase up to $200 Ben Hulet MotherLode Internet JeffCo Soho (1) Mikrotik 532Ar5 L4 in NEMA4 enclosure Bill Hagestand VISI Trango Broadband (1) $100 Amex Gift Card Tom Laydon X1 Communications WISPA Shirts (3) Perry Roach Netsweeper Stephen Coran Rini Coran, PC Suzanne Peters WeRoam Wireless Mapping (1) Free Coverage Map and Google Earth File for up to 6 tower sites Adam Kennedy Cyberlink We also are sporting a new booth this year thanks to the efforts of the promotions committee. The graphics look very professional and we received many compliments. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 10/17/2007 9:38 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
Re: [WISPA] RE: Madcity muni report
I don't know why you don't believe the 2000 subscriber figure. The goal of the article is clearly not to pump the system up. I for one wouldn't believe it considering the word is that Earthlink doesn't even have a total of 2000 paying subscribers across all their Wi-Fi networks. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on and would become available in the near future. I think that is wishful thinking on some people's part. When you see companies like Cisco struggle to provide a minimum of support on a small subset of their products you can begin to imagine the scope of the problem. Every post I have seen where people have suggest a solution, the suggestion only solved one specific part of CALEA. Solving part of the problem is not enough. I have seen numerous posts indicating that small providers should not be concerned and that attaining CALEA compliance would not put them out of business. I would argue that small providers should be very concerned. Not just about CALEA, but a concerted effort on the part of large telcos to ruin competition through seemingly legimate public safety issues. The facts remain that our business model currently is profitable and we are providing a valuable service in a rural area. The added costs of CALEA compliance jeopardize our ability to continue providing service. Who needs to explain to the hundreds of happy customers I currently service in a rural community that they no longer have high speed internet and dont have an alternative broadband solution? Unfortunately, many consumers will lose as small companies go under. This won't be the first policy that is designed for the good of the many as opposed to the few. It isn't fair, but it is done. If someone has better information on how a small ISP can become CALEA compliant in a cost effective manner, please contact me as I am all ears. If there is better information or a defined solution being presented on the WISPA member list, I am more than willing to pay membership dues to access it. If there isnt a better solution being discussed there, I would just as well save the due money as it will probably not be long before we are out of business or sell to a larger competitor and the membership will be useless. I personally do not believe that any CALEA can be cost effective. Quite simply, solving CALEA requires spending money without earning any additional revenue. The only way to justify the CALEA expense is to accept it as a cost of doing business. This means simply that your market opportunity is lost if you aren't CALEA compliant. I firmly believe every service provider should have plans for being CALEA compliant or have plans for exiting the business. This one is different than E911; the liability will be staggering. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
