Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

Well at least I got one! 

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> Hahaha
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> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs <
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>> http://www.break.com/pictures/internet-building727205.html
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>> How about the link :)
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Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

http://www.break.com/pictures/internet-building727205.html

How about the link :)

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[WISPA] Just for a laugh

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Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

Now, what about if you can not smoke a cigar in a smoking restaurant? 

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Brad Belton wrote:
> Your argument makes the assumption there are no other options for a tenant
> other than the property in question.  
>
> This is really no different than restaurants that allow smoking vs.
> restaurants that don't allow smoking.  If you want to smoke you will dine at
> restaurants that allow smoking and the ones that forbid smoking won't get
> your business.  This works for the non-smokers too.  Personally I'm a
> non-smoker and dine at either smoking or non-smoking restaurants, but we all
> know people that are adamant on both sides of the issue.
>
> Regarding your tenant lease renewal example, doubt the property owner will
> make publicly known (regardless as to the reason) why he chooses not to
> renew a tenant's lease.  Is there a law I'm unaware of that forces a
> landlord to give reason for not renewing a lease?  Eviction, sure, but not
> for renewals.  Have you ever read a lease agreement closely?  They are
> always heavily weighted towards the landlord vs. the tenant as they should
> be.  Again, there is nothing forcing a tenant to lease there as they can
> always lease elsewhere.
>
> There are many limitations that can prevent the number of providers in one
> property.  Riser space or roof space may be limited among many other
> limitations.  Roof or other building warranties may be voided if the new
> provider is negligent or even if they aren't negligent.  Insurance
> requirements will need to meet the property owner's requirements.  The
> property owner can essentially make it cost prohibitive for you to enter the
> property if they choose to do so.
>
> Again, in the end the property owner will prevail as they should.  It is
> after all their property and they should have final say what happens to
> their property.  If their decisions are poor and result in lost lease
> revenue than they'll be gone soon enough and maybe the new owner will see
> the benefit to allowing the right additional providers into the property.  
>
> The market always works these issues out themselves.
>
> If you are truly offering a better product that is desirable then all of
> this is a moot point.  The problem is today (due to our current government
> nanny state) any Joe Shmo can call themselves a Telco Provider.  Savvy
> property owners should, can and will keep those out that they don't see as a
> benefit.
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>
> Brad
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
>
> Your argument assumes issues such as anti-trust don't exist. The  
> market is not always right especially when you have monopoly issues to  
> deal with. In the case of telecom, we have competitive issues that the  
> market has been unable to historically solve. See the breakup of AT&T  
> and more recently the 1996 telecom act.
>
> Now more to your point. The most ideal situation is for property  
> owners to come to mutual acceptable agreements with telecom providers  
> who need to access to their private property. That isn't always  
> possible, but to imply that the property owner will always win is  
> shorted-sighted. There are many cases where both the telecom provider  
> AND the property owner can lose.
>
> One example of just the property owner losing, is the case of placing  
> an antenna in exclusively controlled space where OTARD applies; the  
> property owner regularly loses. If like you suggest a property owner  
> gets rid of a tenant because of a dish, the tenant at no expensive can  
> complain to the FCC. The property owner will then at their own expense  
> have to argue before the FCC that they didn't violate OTARD.  
> Understand the immense downside facing a property owner in this case.  
> FCC rules trump almost all others including contract law. In fact, the  
> only wa

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

Scott,  Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC Sticker etc..

To your questions. 

1.  Nope
2.  Nope.


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Scott Carullo wrote:
> Randy,
>
> Dumb question  If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to 
> certify a "kit"?
>
> Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it 
> in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL 
> rules.  Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - except 
> if you are reselling the gear...  I think that's where you run into the 
> issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and using 
> the parts.
>
> Is that correct?  lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some definitive 
> answers just once so I can put this to bed...
>
> Questions I ask myself...
>
> 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a 
> PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my 
> on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, 
> correct bands etc)...  
> True or False 
>
> 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard 
> Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting 
> the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, 
> power supplies etc...  
> True or False
>
> 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation over.  
> If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about...
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
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>  Original Message 
>   
>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
>>
>> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a 
>> 
> distributor.
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>>> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far 
>>>   
>
>   
>>> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program?  Can a wisp (are they 
>>> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit?  Where can 
>>>   
> we 
>   
>>> find out more on this?  Are there distributors who will do on behalf of 
>>>   
>
>   
>>> a wisp?
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Delp wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a distributor.

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Randy Cosby wrote:
> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far 
> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program?  Can a wisp (are they 
> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit?  Where can we 
> find out more on this?  Are there distributors who will do on behalf of 
> a wisp?
>
> Randy
>
>
> Mike Delp wrote:
>   
>> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is.  You have to be a Mikrotik
>> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their lab
>> testing certification.  Distributors are effectively MT agents using their
>> already completed certification testing.  Anyone can take some parts and
>> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already gone
>> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to make
>> these certifications available from the distributors.  So, there is a
>> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete system
>> with a sticker on it.  The sticker makes it complete.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or
>>> where you buy your stuff...  thats not what they are looking for.  Example
>>> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I
>>> can  Do you see this differently?
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" 
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
>>>>
>>>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has
>>>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text
>>>> etc on it as well.  You can only get those if you are a MT distributor.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build 
and certify them.  If you build them, they won't be certified.

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Scott Carullo wrote:
> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or 
> where you buy your stuff...  thats not what they are looking for.  Example 
> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I 
> can  Do you see this differently?
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
>  Original Message 
>   
>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
>>
>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has 
>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text 
>> etc on it as well.  You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. 
>>
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>> Randy Cosby wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then?  What does that 
>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that 
>>>   
>
>   
>>> are fcc certified?  Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, 
>>>   
> or 
>   
>>> do yo see that as not necessary?
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of 
>>>> 
> antennas.
>   
>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also 
>>>> 
> use
>   
>>>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. 
>>>>
>>>> There are other solutions as well. 
>>>>
>>>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. 
>>>>
>>>> / Eje Gustafsson
>>>> CTO
>>>> WISP-Router, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>>> 
> On
>   
>>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
>>>>
>>>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed.  I've seen 
>>>> 
> that 
>   
>>>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear.  Is that based on the same Mikrotik 
>>>> program you describe here Mac?  Is that information available from 
>>>> Mikrotik to any reseller?
>>>>
>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>   Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA 
>>>>>   
> based
>   
>>>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It&#

Re: [WISPA] OSPF question

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

yeppers

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Gino Villarini wrote:
> Can I have several neighboors under the same interface?
>  
> I have a OSPF neighboor in ether1, can I have another neighboor with the
> same area on the same interface?
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs]

First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has 
to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text 
etc on it as well.  You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. 

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Randy Cosby wrote:
> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then?  What does that 
> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that 
> are fcc certified?  Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or 
> do yo see that as not necessary?
>
> Randy
>
>
> Eje Gustafsson wrote:
>   
>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas.
>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use
>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. 
>>
>> There are other solutions as well. 
>>
>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. 
>>
>> / Eje Gustafsson
>> CTO
>> WISP-Router, Inc.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
>>
>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed.  I've seen that 
>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear.  Is that based on the same Mikrotik 
>> program you describe here Mac?  Is that information available from 
>> Mikrotik to any reseller?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>>   Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based
>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the
>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the
>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily
>>> available in the near future.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

 Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now.  Not sure on anyone else.
 I
 think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone
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Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections bandwidth=2x why?

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Speed limit per connection?  Or per IP? 

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> On our main upstream connection 100mb fiber a speedtest to BHN yeilds about 
> 7MB max when 15 is there...
>
> Open two connections tcp and now the transfer rate doubles (from same 
> server to same client).
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> What would cause this?
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

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we have some stuff on our website.  take a look Gino.. 

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> Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
>  
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

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Not wishing to say anyone does a better job or worse.  One of the 
biggest mistakes I have seen is the plastic standoffs.  Not only do they 
fail, but they are not grounding the board typically!  I see lots of 
people using the little 1/2 moon power injectors.  They are super cheap, 
and by the way, they are super cheap.  We use POE with Surge Suppression 
Injectors.   You would be surprised how often they protect gear. 

We have in radio Ethernet surge units as well.  we have got units back 
with this ethernet surge unit melted down to goo..  ya goo.  Unplugged 
it, and plugged the radio right into the POE, well a new one, and bingo 
powers right back on! 

All of these things along with the build quality.  If you get free 
builds, that don't mean its good or proper, if you pay for your builds, 
same difference.  compare everyone! 

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> My experiences say don't use Streakwave
>
> On 2/9/09, Scott Reed  wrote:
>   
>> Streakwave and Quicklink wireless both do.  I have good results with
>> both of them as well as Wisp-Router.
>>
>> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Typically its a "build" issue.  Screwed on things too tight, etc.  Just 
stupid things.  Seen people not secure the radio cards before taking 
them up the tower etc.   We have been building these things for  over 4 
years, and we have 532s that have been up and running for 3!  wow, just 
thought about that, scarry! 

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Mike Hammett wrote:
> That's why you test on the ground before you go up...  who knows what 
> happened in UPS.
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> From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs" 
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>   
>> Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of
>> the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like
>> that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the
>> cost of the tower climb.!
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>> Josh Luthman wrote:
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>>> There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
>>>
>>> On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
>>>>
>>>> Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
>>>> before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
>>>> finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
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>>>>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>>>>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>>>> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) 
>>>>> partly
>>>>> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
>>>>> arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs 
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of 
the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like 
that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the 
cost of the tower climb.! 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
>
> On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
>   
>> Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
>>
>> Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
>> before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
>> finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
>> tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!
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>>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly
>>> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
>>> arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on
>>> the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the
>>> stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small
>>> premium to not have to do the boring stuff.
>>> I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned
>>> about that sort of thing.
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Re: [WISPA] Managing Multiple Mikrotiks - User Control

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Dimitrois,

Do you know of a API programmer that would be willing to do some code?

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Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote:
> Another way to get around all this is to use the MikroTik API.
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/API
>
> Has some learning curve and requires coding but turns out a clear solution.
>
> Thank you
> Dimitri
>
>   
>> You could setup a simple linux box running freeradius to do this. Takes
>> just a little time and the cost of the machine. Actually you could just
>> install vmware on a windows workstation and install Linux with freeradius
>> on it and your cost is just your time to do it. Or you can hire a
>> consultant to get this setup. I would estimate that it would only take a
>> couple of hours for one of my guys to do that. While at it you could also
>> get The Dude installed under Wine or install a copy of Intermapper to do
>> the monitoring and quick launch of winbox/ssh/web login to your cpe and
>> devices.
>>
>> If you need help with this you could call us and Scott or me could help
>> you out.
>>
>> /Eje
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>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>>
>> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:28:44
>> To: WISPA General List; 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managing Multiple Mikrotiks - User Control
>>
>>
>> Does anyone do this?  If so what are you using for RADIUS?  I have
>> been wanting to do this for some time now but haven't gotten around to
>> it :(
>>
>> On 1/31/09, Scott Reed  wrote:
>> 
>>> With the Dude, you could create a map, export it which gives a XML
>>> file.  Edit the XML to get rid of UserID and Password.  Distribute the
>>> file to all who can see the network.  They just put their own UserID and
>>> Password in the first time they access a router.  Now they can customize
>>> the maps as they desire, but the core devices are already populated.
>>>
>>> Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote:
>>>   
 Scott has a good idea. Combine that with the Dude and it works nice.
 Another thing to do is make the management of the devices on a
 non-routeable.

 Leon

 * Scott Reed wrote, On 1/31/2009 11:08 AM:

 
> Radius.
> You can make groups in Radius that map to groups on the routers.  You
> can then make groups on the router for the specific functions you want
> the user to have.
> First the MT will check locally for the user.  If that fails, it will
> check Radius.  Thus, you can have an ID on the MT to ensure some has
> access, but let Radius to the normal authenication.
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>
>   
>> Hello all
>>
>> WE have about 100 Mk units in our network, what tool is available to
>> manage them effectively?  We are looking in a way to manage our own
>> internal access to them... Admins and techs getting into groups with
>> individual pwds?
>>
>> Any ideas to a centrilized security management system for them?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Managing Multiple Mikrotiks - User Control

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Radius, Radius Radius! 

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Gino Villarini wrote:
> Hello all
>  
> WE have about 100 Mk units in our network, what tool is available to
> manage them effectively?  We are looking in a way to manage our own
> internal access to them... Admins and techs getting into groups with
> individual pwds?
>  
> Any ideas to a centrilized security management system for them?
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini 
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Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness

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Remember the 411AH and the 433AH are EXACTLY the same with two 
exceptions, less Ethernet and wireless ports and micro-sd slot. 


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Josh Luthman wrote:
> We knew what you meant because the 433 has three ports and 411 has one.
>
> I do suggest putting a 433ah up there if you plan to have some good
> usage.  Saving 50 dollars isn't worth playing with the board upgrade
> game for the capacity it provides.
>
> If the 433ah does work then your line is probably good, does usage
> change?  If so the 100m/full change would be my suggestion too.
>
> Note the 4xx boards are very similar hardware (only changes are
> memory, ports and some models have bigger CPUs).
>
> On 1/20/09, Forbes Mercy  wrote:
>   
>> Oops let me correct myself I've been saying 433a, it's actually a 411a.
>> The board that is working is the 433ah.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
>>
>> * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM:
>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked
>>>   
>> like
>> 
>>> a charm for both our access and customer throughput.  We didn't want
>>>   
>> to
>> 
>>> waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board.
>>>   
>> Once
>> 
>>> it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem,
>>> programmed it and sent it up to the tower.  Once on the tower
>>>   
>> customers
>> 
>>> associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management
>>> side.  We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping
>>>   
>> that
>> 
>>> IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC
>>>   
>> would
>> 
>>> start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash.
>>>
>>> Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it,
>>>   
>> even
>> 
>>> when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from
>>> remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch
>>> and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh.  OK we put the 433AH back
>>>   
>> in
>> 
>>> service and again everything worked great.  I'm stumped, we isolated
>>>   
>> the
>> 
>>> switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow
>>>   
>> us
>> 
>>> to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it
>>> locally.   *banging head against the wall.  Any ideas?
>>>   
>> Hi Forbes
>>
>> A few questions/comments:
>> :
>> How long is the ethernet run?
>> We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times.
>> You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address,
>> only IPs.
>> How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it
>>
>> to 10M/FULL and see if that helps.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera

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Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

I like the "THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT"!  :)  Nothing wrong with that.  You 
should be able to do that with some high end MTs and EoIP Tunnels though 
:) 

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Normally that is what we do... using Cisco ASA firewalls and setting 
> up VPN tunnels for the customers... however, this particular customer 
> needs the full 100Mbps between the ports and "transparent" 
> transport... and they are paying for it... :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote:
>> Just a FYI, I would just create a tunnel between the two sites.  No 
>> configuration on your backend network, bandwidth restrictions are the 
>> same as internet traffic typically, etc.  Simpler, and no "loop" issues.
>>
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>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>   
>>> Ok... found the original problem... a few switches did not have the vlan 
>>> setup in the vlan database. So the VLAN is up and working now... but the 
>>> problem is because we have a "ring", we use Spanning Tree to keep from 
>>> having a loop in the network. But when we bring up the VLAN, the 
>>> spanning-tree does not start blocking the VLAN traffic. It does block 
>>> the "normal" VLAN1 traffic (like it always has), but the new VLAN never 
>>> gets "blocked", so it creates a loop around the ring.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something? I've checked the settings and can't find 
>>> anything that I missed to make it work...
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Eric Rogers wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>> Try a "show interface fastethernet x/y switchport" and see what is the
>>>> status of the port and that trunking VLANs enabled are also trunking
>>>> VLANs active.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:17 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> By default, when doing the switchport mode trunk, all VLAN's are allowed
>>>> (I even issued the command "switchport trunk allowed vlan all" and it
>>>> did not display on the sho conf afterward).
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>> Microserv
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Shoemaker wrote: 
>>>>
>>>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>I need some Cisco switch VLAN help.
>>>> 
>>>>I currently have about 60 Cisco 3500 series switches connected
>>>> via the 
>>>>GBIC ports all in a ring configuration with spanning tree. I am
>>>> trying 
>>>>to setup a VLAN for a customer between two of the FastEthernet
>>>> ports so 
>>>>they can connect their offices. I have port 5 on each switch
>>>> setup in 
>>>>VLAN105 and every GBIC port on all the switches setup as
>>>> trunking ports. 
>>>>There are 17 other cisco switches between these two.
>>>> 
>>>>I have this setup between two other offices, but they are
>>>> directly 
>>>>connected to each other, with no other switches in between.
>>>> 
>>>>What am I missing?
>>>> 
>>>>Travis
>>>>Microserv
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> --

Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Just a FYI, I would just create a tunnel between the two sites.  No 
configuration on your backend network, bandwidth restrictions are the 
same as internet traffic typically, etc.  Simpler, and no "loop" issues.

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> Ok... found the original problem... a few switches did not have the vlan 
> setup in the vlan database. So the VLAN is up and working now... but the 
> problem is because we have a "ring", we use Spanning Tree to keep from 
> having a loop in the network. But when we bring up the VLAN, the 
> spanning-tree does not start blocking the VLAN traffic. It does block 
> the "normal" VLAN1 traffic (like it always has), but the new VLAN never 
> gets "blocked", so it creates a loop around the ring.
>
> Am I missing something? I've checked the settings and can't find 
> anything that I missed to make it work...
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Eric Rogers wrote:
>   
>> Try a "show interface fastethernet x/y switchport" and see what is the
>> status of the port and that trunking VLANs enabled are also trunking
>> VLANs active.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:17 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> By default, when doing the switchport mode trunk, all VLAN's are allowed
>> (I even issued the command "switchport trunk allowed vlan all" and it
>> did not display on the sho conf afterward).
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker wrote: 
>>
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>   
>>
>>  Hi,
>>   
>>  I need some Cisco switch VLAN help.
>>   
>>  I currently have about 60 Cisco 3500 series switches connected
>> via the 
>>  GBIC ports all in a ring configuration with spanning tree. I am
>> trying 
>>  to setup a VLAN for a customer between two of the FastEthernet
>> ports so 
>>  they can connect their offices. I have port 5 on each switch
>> setup in 
>>  VLAN105 and every GBIC port on all the switches setup as
>> trunking ports. 
>>  There are 17 other cisco switches between these two.
>>   
>>  I have this setup between two other offices, but they are
>> directly 
>>  connected to each other, with no other switches in between.
>>   
>>  What am I missing?
>>   
>>  Travis
>>  Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

You would think that this would bring down the risk factor. 

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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> I don't question the value of Leasing for a second. I just think that it is 
> to hard to get Leasing.
> WISPs should not be considered any more HIGH risk than any other business. 
> In today's economy WISPs are doing better than many other industries, and 
> the demand is still growing daily.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
>
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, you still have to pay for it... but instead of being upside down
>> with the customer for the first 3-6 months (depending on equipment), you
>> begin making money on that customer from day 1. So you no longer worry
>> about "do I have enough money to buy the equipment to install that
>> customer" and instead can focus on "get as many customers installed as
>> quickly as possible".
>>
>> Also, by buying 250 units at a time, you get a much better price on the
>> equipment... which sometimes can even out the extra you pay by financing.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that
>>> the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install.  You
>>> still have to pay for it.  It may make cash flow easier but the ROI
>>> takes longer due to interest rates and labor dealing with lease Co.
>>> Can you help me with that one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install
>>> fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on
>>> every new customer.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>>
>>> You are doing it.  Just keep bootstrapping.  Once you get 1000
>>> subscribers
>>> things will be a bit better.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth
>>> different
>>> WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended
>>> equipment
>>> that is so often discussed on this list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch
>>> each
>>> penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to
>>> service the
>>> clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other
>>> that
>>> what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8
>>> towers with
>>> 320 clients.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a
>>> $59.99 Pro
>>> Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn
>>> off the
>>> speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M
>>> on any
>>> of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS
>>> Full
>>> Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost
>>> of with
>>> another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to
>>> achieve
>>> 10MB to each client is financially Impossible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.
>>> What do
>>> you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have
>>> started you
>>> service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have
>>> and I
>>> know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in
>>> the same
>>> boat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND
>>> definition
>>> without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is
>>> everyone
>>> charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing
>>> is not
>>> readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.
>>> No
>>> Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
>>> Verizon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> RC-WiFi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

208.111.168.0/24 belongs to limelight.  So far this is where all of the 
data traces go back to ..  FYI ;) 

One thing, this may start something, but, why not send customers a note 
with their next bill, netflix subscribers, due to the high usage netflix 
puts on the entire network, we will start charging for netflix usage.  
This will be 5.99 extra :)  or maybe more.  Easy enough to do. 

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> I'm not sure this fixes anything either. Even if you cap people at 
> 1Mbps, if they are watching a movie, they are using that 1Mbps for 2 
> hours constant. My cost on that 1Mbps is $40, the same price I am 
> selling the service to them for... yet I have all the overhead and 
> expenses to keep it running.
>
> I may have to buy a Netflix box or an Xbox-360 just to see what IP 
> blocks these devices are pulling from, then I will just start throttling 
> the entire netblock to each service... rather than trying to control 
> each customer. Allocate 5Mbps to all of Netflix's IP's on my network... 
> then if people want to get better streaming service, they can pay me to 
> un-throttle their connection. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Brian Webster wrote:
>   
>> I like the idea Chuck and others have used in regards to shaping. Give them
>> a wide open connection for a short burst of time and then throttle them back
>> to what they are paying for (say a minute or so). This will give them
>> awesome performance for things like web pages and speed tests and most
>> email, yet when they decide to be hogs using technology that is a constant
>> demand on the connection, it won't cripple your network. This in conjunction
>> with bandwidth caps should keep you solvent until the backhaul
>> infrastructure in the US gets more robust, more accessible, and cheaper.
>> Until then you just need to tell the clients the basic economic truth of how
>> much constant internet really costs. Comcast and others are starting to bit
>> cap their services so they must be seeing the same things you are. Show the
>> customers your bill for your backhaul and ask them if they would like to pay
>> that each month. Even those on FIOS and other Fiber technologies see those
>> realities once their internet destination goes outside the private fiber
>> circuits. FIOS may be fast but it sure exposes the sites and locations that
>> don't have huge pipes serving them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>   Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:15 PM
>>   To: WISPA General List
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article)
>>
>>
>>   Rick,
>>
>>   Just for what it's worth, we are seeing an increase in overall usage as
>> well. We have been in the ISP business since 1994. It was only about a year
>> ago that we went over 100Mbps of incoming traffic during peak time... and
>> just today, we peaked at 176Mbps. So in a year's time we increased by 75%
>> the amount of bandwidth usage by our customers. Of course we added new
>> customers, etc. but that was at the same rate we have been adding customers
>> for 5+ years.
>>
>>   Solution? There isn't a good one. I remember people saying things like "I
>> just leave my customers wide open because then they will use what they need
>> and then get off, so they are online less" and stuff like that. Those days
>> are long gone. If you give people a 5Mbps connection, they will use 5Mbps.
>> And now, rather than just doing what they were doing, they will just start
>> more downloads or movies or TV because they can.
>>
>>   Travis
>>   Microserv
>>
>>   RickG wrote:
>> I have WRAP boards on all towers that provide limited bandwidth
>> shaping. I just recently installed a Mikrotik firewall (and love it).
>> It's shaping and rules cover all customers. As far as bandwidth hits,
>> the previous owner oversold and overmarketed the amount of bandwidth
>> in order to gain subscribers (i.e. premium 3Mbps accounts when he only
>> had 3Mbps). Since bandwidth is very expensive and difficult to get
>> here, this has led to a sluggish network that I am having difficulty
>> resolving. Therefore, the customers have been complaining. The good
>> news is that after getting very creative, I have overturned some new
>> options but the cost is still a strain on the budget. My biggest
>> frustration is the never ending question: What will it take? It
>> appears that more and more people want constant multi-megabit speeds
>> on demand for less than $50/month. The oversubscription rate on a
>> $600/month T1 no longer provides for a valid business model. Heck, my
>> $

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

yeppers.  MT all the way!  :) Works great!

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Mike Hammett wrote:
> If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the 
> port forwarding from the router without manual intervention.
>
>
> -
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> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
>   
>> upnp?  We ALWAYS turn that off.  What do you do with it?
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to
>>> the box to work.  If they have more than one console inside...  I dunno
>>> what
>>> to do about that.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>>>
>>>   
 What setting would that be?  I've never changed the NAT settings in a
 router
 that I set up for a customer.
 marlon

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 From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues


 
> Indeed.  Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best
> pick
> of people to connect with.
>
>
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> From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
>
>   
>>> Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have
>>> dominated
>>> the
>>> market for a while.
>>>
>>> Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games.  I am confident Halo
>>> and
>>> Call of Duty have the majority of games.  I can't verify that Call of
>>> Duty
>>> does games p2p versus client-server, though.
>>>   
>> One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the
>> quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5.  Its too bad they did
>> not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games.
>>
>> I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match
>> have a crappy connection its the server.  If its just them then it
>> 'might' be a problem with there connection.  I have seen a number of
>> users with NAT issues on there router though.  Also, many times they
>> connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that
>> connection goes crappy.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

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2.2 MEG +   Starting getting 3-4meg easy.

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Matt wrote:
>> Been watching it for a good while now.  Doing a number of TV Episodes,
>> and no issues on a 40 Inch LCD.   Near DVD quality what it says at the
>> highest resolution!  Don't have ANY issues with it as of yet!
>> 
>
> What data rate are you seeing when streaming?
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Been watching it for a good while now.  Doing a number of TV Episodes, 
and no issues on a 40 Inch LCD.   Near DVD quality what it says at the 
highest resolution!  Don't have ANY issues with it as of yet! 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> I created a simple queue of 2megs for my Xbox and then watched (what I could
> tolerate) of a Jackass movie, Billy Madison and Eraser (all years old) and
> they looked just fine.
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> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>   
>> It could be the movie.  I have noticed some movies look much worse than
>> others even at the highest bandwidth rating.  I downloaded Fred Claus and
>> it
>> came down at about 17Mbps for the first few minutes and then stabilized
>> with
>> 4-5Mbps bursts of traffic every couple minutes through the movie.  The
>> picture on my 50" plasma was as good as anything else I've watched on it.
>>
>> I then downloaded something else (don't remember what it was) and the
>> picture was much worse.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>>
>> Brad
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
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>> 
>>> In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to
>>> provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not only
>>> can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
>>> computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
>>> mainstream for many who have never used it.  Not to mention the super
>>> low cost of basically $9 bucks a month!
>>>   
>> Went out and bought me an XBOX 360 elite couple days ago just to check
>> this out.  Shame since I already have a PS3 I am very happy with and
>> it has bluray.  Plus, online play is free with PS3.  Anyway, I already
>> had a Netflix account so I linked it with my new Live account.  On a
>> 2mbps connection with a 50" HDTV it looks very bad.  Regular DVD's are
>> WAY better.  I did not take the time to try higher bandwidth though I
>> was in a hurry.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik CPU graphing

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Yep, kinda built in.  just a SNMP probe. :)

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Why not use the dude?
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> John Buwa
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> - Original Message -
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> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik CPU graphing
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> Hello all,
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> I'm trying to figure out how to track CPU load and PPS on our Mikrotik 
> core router.   Is there a simple guide for tracking this with MRTG/RRD 
> somewhere out there?   I"m not having much luck finding it.
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