208.111.168.0/24 belongs to limelight. So far this is where all of the data traces go back to .. FYI ;)
One thing, this may start something, but, why not send customers a note with their next bill, netflix subscribers, due to the high usage netflix puts on the entire network, we will start charging for netflix usage. This will be 5.99 extra :) or maybe more. Easy enough to do. ------------------------------ * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* Travis Johnson wrote: > I'm not sure this fixes anything either. Even if you cap people at > 1Mbps, if they are watching a movie, they are using that 1Mbps for 2 > hours constant. My cost on that 1Mbps is $40, the same price I am > selling the service to them for... yet I have all the overhead and > expenses to keep it running. > > I may have to buy a Netflix box or an Xbox-360 just to see what IP > blocks these devices are pulling from, then I will just start throttling > the entire netblock to each service... rather than trying to control > each customer. Allocate 5Mbps to all of Netflix's IP's on my network... > then if people want to get better streaming service, they can pay me to > un-throttle their connection. ;) > > Travis > Microserv > > Brian Webster wrote: > >> I like the idea Chuck and others have used in regards to shaping. Give them >> a wide open connection for a short burst of time and then throttle them back >> to what they are paying for (say a minute or so). This will give them >> awesome performance for things like web pages and speed tests and most >> email, yet when they decide to be hogs using technology that is a constant >> demand on the connection, it won't cripple your network. This in conjunction >> with bandwidth caps should keep you solvent until the backhaul >> infrastructure in the US gets more robust, more accessible, and cheaper. >> Until then you just need to tell the clients the basic economic truth of how >> much constant internet really costs. Comcast and others are starting to bit >> cap their services so they must be seeing the same things you are. Show the >> customers your bill for your backhaul and ask them if they would like to pay >> that each month. Even those on FIOS and other Fiber technologies see those >> realities once their internet destination goes outside the private fiber >> circuits. FIOS may be fast but it sure exposes the sites and locations that >> don't have huge pipes serving them. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> Brian Webster >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:15 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaping (WAS Article) >> >> >> Rick, >> >> Just for what it's worth, we are seeing an increase in overall usage as >> well. We have been in the ISP business since 1994. It was only about a year >> ago that we went over 100Mbps of incoming traffic during peak time... and >> just today, we peaked at 176Mbps. So in a year's time we increased by 75% >> the amount of bandwidth usage by our customers. Of course we added new >> customers, etc. but that was at the same rate we have been adding customers >> for 5+ years. >> >> Solution? There isn't a good one. I remember people saying things like "I >> just leave my customers wide open because then they will use what they need >> and then get off, so they are online less" and stuff like that. Those days >> are long gone. If you give people a 5Mbps connection, they will use 5Mbps. >> And now, rather than just doing what they were doing, they will just start >> more downloads or movies or TV because they can. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >> I have WRAP boards on all towers that provide limited bandwidth >> shaping. I just recently installed a Mikrotik firewall (and love it). >> It's shaping and rules cover all customers. As far as bandwidth hits, >> the previous owner oversold and overmarketed the amount of bandwidth >> in order to gain subscribers (i.e. premium 3Mbps accounts when he only >> had 3Mbps). Since bandwidth is very expensive and difficult to get >> here, this has led to a sluggish network that I am having difficulty >> resolving. Therefore, the customers have been complaining. The good >> news is that after getting very creative, I have overturned some new >> options but the cost is still a strain on the budget. My biggest >> frustration is the never ending question: What will it take? It >> appears that more and more people want constant multi-megabit speeds >> on demand for less than $50/month. The oversubscription rate on a >> $600/month T1 no longer provides for a valid business model. Heck, my >> $500/month 5Mbps connection form Time Warner became quickly saturated >> once I put it in. I expect my new 11Mbps connection for $600 will do >> the same. The interesting part is that I continue to get pressure for >> faster speed plans therefore pressure to make the same mistake my >> predecessor made - offer plans with speeds that max out my capacity. >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Rick, (everyone) >> >> So from that statement it appears that you are not using any bandwidth >> limiting ore shaping at your AP or NOC. >> Question 1. Is that for all Client levels or just your premium service. >> Question 2. If you don't manage limits, was that always how you've >> always done it? If not what made you decide to do it this way and what >> kind of upstream hit did you take. >> >> I am considering giving more speed but I am concerned about the >> additional cost to me for abusers. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:04 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> Every SHOULD know that most connections are "shared bandwidth". The >> keyword is SHOULD. But, peole only hear what they want to and everyone >> I talk to that isnt a techie thinks they get the speed they bought for >> $50 or less all the time! The marketing gurus have screwed up again >> just like the "unlimited use" policy fiasco. So, I always try to >> educate my users but they percieve this as my issue and that my >> service is inferiro with cable or dsl. Of course, thats what feeds the >> marketing hype with the speed in the first place. So, what to do? >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dear Mike, >> >> You miss the point and possibly so does Josh. Because an AP can >> deliver >> "x" amount of throughput during a speed test between two location does >> not mean that the same AP can deliver that amount of throughput to all >> the customers simultaneously. The AP's throughput is shared between >> all >> of the end-users. When the AP maxes out, some (possibly all) of those >> end-users must slow down. Some WISPs do not understand this and thus >> they end up over-promising throughput and disappointing their >> customers. >> WISPs need to understand this or they will fail in this business and >> give other WISPs a black eye in the process. Nobody is getting beat up >> here; this has nothing to do with personalities. It has everything to >> do >> with the physics of data communications behavior. Everybody needs to >> understand the true limits of their system. >> >> Why is this? Because the "air" is a shared medium. Throughput delivery >> takes real-world time in intervals we call "time-slots". You can only >> carry so much throughput during one time-slot. There area only so many >> time-slots (fractions of a second) in each second. This is why >> throughput is limited. Only so many users can be on one AP at the same >> time if they are requesting a large amount of the available AP >> throughput. A lightly-loaded system may appear to be able to deliver >> max >> throughput simultaneously to those few customers but when the AP is >> heavily loaded with users who are vying for a lot of throughput >> simultaneously then most of them will need to slow down because not >> everyone will get all the time slots they need to carry the high >> throughput (ex: video streaming) levels that they are requesting. >> >> Don't make this personal; that simply detracts from the very real >> technical limits that a successful WISP must understand in order to >> succeed and survive. >> >> jack >> >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> I didn't get that at all. >> >> It seems as though when anyone on this list suggests going faster >> than 2 megabits, they get beat up. Sorry, Charlie, BA-II was >> outdated >> long ago. >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> From: Jack Unger >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:55 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> So how many of your customers can you serve 26 Mb to SIMULTANEOUSLY >> from the same AP? It sounds like you are saying that you can serve >> all >> of them 26 Mb simultaneously. >> Josh Luthman wrote: >> Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home. Each >> tower has a >> Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, >> poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs... >> >> The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs. Real bandwidth >> tests >> show 26 megs. >> >> >> So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb >> between all of your customers on that one access point? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, >> poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> And which telco is this going to bail out? Money from Congress to >> industry = pay off Unions for votes. >> >> We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify. >> >> Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as >> over >> 10 Meg. >> >> Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry... >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating >> in >> the >> >> >> events below. WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to >> Action >> to >> >> >> define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy. It was great to see all >> the >> players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to >> bring >> the >> >> >> US back up to the top of the Broadband Access ladder. It will be a >> busy >> three months while this strategy is defined and presented to the >> Obama >> Administration. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rick Harnish >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On >> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:21 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR20 >> 0812 >> 0203 >> 164_pf.html >> >> New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy >> >> By Cecilia Kang >> Washington Post Staff Writer >> Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03 >> >> President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed >> Internet >> service to every American home would create jobs, fuel economic >> growth >> and >> >> >> spark innovation. Yesterday, representatives from technology and >> telecommunications companies, labor unions and public interest groups >> frequently at odds with one another agreed to provide the next >> president >> with a roadmap for how to accomplish those goals. >> >> That map could include tax breaks, low-interest loans, subsidies and >> public-private partnerships to encourage more investments in >> upgrading >> and >> >> >> building out high-speed networks, representatives from Google, AT&T >> and >> public interest group Free Press said during a panel discussion on >> broadband >> policy that also served as a coming-out party for their newly formed >> coalition. >> >> The details of how to meet those goals still must be worked out by >> the >> group, whose aim is to bring more affordable high-speed Internet >> access >> to >> >> >> every consumer. >> >> Many of the group members have been at odds with each other on >> whether >> the >> >> >> government should set limits on how much spectrum a company can >> hold, the >> use of unlicensed devices on fallow broadcast airwaves and net >> neutrality -- >> the notion that network operators should be prevented from blocking >> or >> slowing Internet traffic. The formation of the group is an effort to >> move >> beyond their differences. >> >> "The coalition is a positive in that it demonstrates we agree that we >> >> >> have >> >> >> a >> broadband problem, which not everyone was willing to admit to two >> years >> ago," said Ben Scott, policy director at Free Press and a member of >> the >> group. "The key is whether we'll see this group produce policy >> solutions >> that will require difficult choices." >> >> At stake is the nation's ability to compete technologically and >> economically, the group said. The United States has dropped from the >> top >> 10 >> nations for broadband access, speeds and price in the last several >> years. >> The coalition is pushing for a federal plan that would provide access >> to >> high-speed Internet service, much as the government did with >> electricity, >> roads and phone service. >> >> Obama famously used the Internet for outreach during his campaign and >> received 370,000 donations online. He's proposed using blogs, social >> networking tools and community Web pages known as wikis to connect >> citizens >> to government agencies. And Obama has argued for massive upgrades to >> technology infrastructure such as high-speed, or broadband, Internet. >> >> So far the coalition's plans to increase broadband usage mirrors >> Obama's >> plan, but there could be disagreement over deployment, analysts said. >> >> Communications Workers of America President Larry Cohen said the >> union >> supports a proposal by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) to >> increase >> definitions for broadband to 10 megabits per second for downloads by >> >> >> 2010. >> >> >> The current definition for broadband speed in the United States is >> 768 >> kilobits per second downstream, which is far below standards in many >> >> >> other >> >> >> nations. >> >> Achieving that goal at prices acceptable to consumers, however, would >> be >> expensive for telecom and cable network operators. Some in the >> coalition >> could push for laws that would achieve lower prices and higher speeds >> through more wireless and telecom competitors, but that could cause >> further >> disagreement among members, Scott said. >> >> Some have already suggested requesting funds from the federal >> economic >> stimulus plan for broadband deployment. Yesterday, an aide to House >> Speaker >> Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Pelosi was in favor of that idea. >> >> AT&T chief lobbyist Jim Cicconi said the company has moved closer to >> the >> view of public interest groups and Google that the Web should be open >> for >> all users without discrimination of technology and content on their >> network. >> But unlike Free Press and consumer groups, AT&T opposes new laws or >> rules >> on >> net neutrality, saying Federal Communications Commission rules are >> sufficient, and any violation should be handled on a case-by-case >> basis. >> "There will be significant outstanding debates that will be very >> tough >> and >> >> >> there will still be daylight between the groups on many, many >> issues," >> said >> Rebecca Arbogast, an analyst at investment firm Stifel Nicolaus. 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