Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

There is just so much that it all blends together.

Cadmium had lots of stuff on their roadmap.  Lte radios,  3.65 medusa, ac
gen 2 epmp, etc.

I think most vendors can't afford to wait to a wispa show to launch, so
they launch when they're ready.

Also, the show has grown to the point where there is so much going on that
it's hard to pick out anything in particular.  Plus the announcements tend
to not be that unexpected.   Vendors have newer faster radios.  Others have
cooler features.  But all pretty expected.

On Oct 13, 2017 6:39 AM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:

> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The list Trina provided also includes the Monday evening Cambium reception
- or at least it does now.  RSVP required apparently.

-forrest


On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Those are just training, I think he's after the typical Ubnt Cambium and
> Mimosa announcement deals.
>
>
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> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Trina Coffey  wrote:
>
>> All of the events that I was made aware of are listed here:
>> http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA/wp16-collocated-training
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Trina Coffey
>> Director of Operations
>> WISPA
>> 260-622-5775 direct
>> 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
>> 530-227-6696 cell
>> www.wispa.org
>>
>> Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA!!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: [WISPA] WISPAPALOOZA
>>
>> Is there a list of events happening during the show?  Like I believe
>> Monday
>> several vendors have some events going on, or the events happening in the
>> evening.  Trying to plan my week.
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Re: [WISPA] DC UPS (and Solar?) Setup.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

In relation to the sitemonitor base unit:

It's perfectly fine with running off of the battery voltage directly, and
can use a different voltage on each voltage input as long as they share the
same common.  (I.E. +12V battery and +48V regulated is ok, + and - 48VDC is
not).   Just make sure you fuse the input at somewhere around 1A.

On the solar side:  I like the morningstar controllers, they have a new
prostar MPPT which might even be better for those sites.   Our solar charge
controller support is also going to have at least a half-dozen or so
additional controllers added to the list here shortly.

-forrest


On Jul 14, 2016 2:29 PM, "Duncan Scott"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> So historically we've been a mostly AC setup, but I'm trying to figure
> out a DC setup for some of our smaller sites, and hopefully a solar
> setup as well. I'm new to all of this though so I'm trying to see if
> anyone has any written guides or part lists. Basic goal is to power an
> airfiber or equivalent and A few Canopy or Ubnt APs.
>
> Here's what I've been looking at so far:
>
> 48v DC power supply
> Traco TSP-BCMU360
> Packetflux Site monitor 2 base
> Packetflux SiteMonitor 6 Channel Switch Closure Input
> Neotonix DC switch
>
> This seems to work okay, the TSP-BCMU360 charges and monitors the
> battery and the Packetflux Sitemonitor provides a network connection to
> monitor the status.
>
> Issues so far:
>
> I'm running the site monitor off the BCMU, but this means that it's
> input power is 48v, I want to monitor the voltage of the battery, but
> that's just 12v and I don't think I can have different voltages plugged
> into the two inputs to the site monitor. Another option would be to have
> the site monitor powered off the batteries directly, but that seems bad...
>
> Is the packetflux stuff the best solution for this, or is there another
> web enabling option? Seem pretty good so far, but I'm not even sure what
> the other options are.
>
> The other issue is I have no idea what I should be using for
> breaker/fuses for the equipment. A suggested list of DIN mountable stuff
> I should have would be super useful if someone has it on hand. Also who
> to order this stuff from.
>
> The other thing I would like to try is some kind of solar setup. Again
> it need to be monitored remotely. Power draw would be as low as I could
> manage. This is Oregon, so not lots of snow, but there are a lot of
> cloudy days. Packetflux makes several items that integrate with Morning
> Star controllers. It that a good way to go? Something like a TS-MPPT-30?
>
> Batteries are another thing. I'm also very curious if Lithium ion
> batteries are feasible yet. This would need a different charger but it
> would save a TON of space and maybe even be cost effective given the
> smaller enclosure size that would be possible.
>
> Then there is the issue of what solar panels to buy.
>
> If anyone has any thoughts, comments, links, documents, etc. I'd really
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Duncan
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in
enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering
state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual
usage).   1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or
$0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not
counting all of the incentives.   Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar
local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the
local utility.


-forrest



On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

 I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

 At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

 --

 On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

  No.  But I do have a site.

 http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250 watts
 for my motorhome.

 At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging*
 was around $400.

 They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold
 them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc
 batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
 Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a
 90 day warranty.

 Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.

 marlon


  *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

  I'm interested as well.



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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
 example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
 service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
 Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought I
 would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may
actually be more expensive than the panels themselves.   But the whole
thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects.

-forrest


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I saw $.57 per watt on that site...

 $2300 will buy just about 4kW...

 My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting incentive
 junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.

 --

 On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

 Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

 http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

  http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

  It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting
 in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering
 state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual
 usage).   1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or
 $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not
 counting all of the incentives.   Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar
 local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the
 local utility.


  -forrest



 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

 I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

 At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

 --

 On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

  No.  But I do have a site.

 http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250
 watts for my motorhome.

 At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging*
 was around $400.

 They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold
 them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc
 batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
 Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a
 90 day warranty.

 Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.

 marlon


  *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

  I'm interested as well.



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 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
 example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
 service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
 Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought I
 would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] OT Time Clocks...

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

That's why my pay period ends on a Friday and payroll isn't until the next
Wednesday...  I have all weekend and most of Monday to get payroll into
QuickBooks for direct deposit.

We just use a spreadsheet instead of a timecard.
On Mar 31, 2014 6:20 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

  If they go straight to the customer then that's an issue.

 My issue is guys forget to fax the time sheets at the end of the day or
 they put them in the fax machine upside down.  So the bookkeeper either
 gets no sheets or blank white sheets of paper. This then requires someone
 to go to the warehouse to retrieve the sheets and a firedrill in the AM to
 do payroll and get the checks out to the warehouse.

 -B-




 On 3/31/2014 8:05 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:

 How would you use this if you have techs that go straight to a client from
 their home?  we currently use a mobile app called time tracker. Each
 employee logs their time. At the end of the pay period they send it to me
 and I review and enter their time into payroll.
 This is better, I feel than paper, but is still some work.

 timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com timothy.pct...@gmail.comwrote:
 What we had at my last job (  I've seen them at staples ) they work with
 RFID cards  evry time you tap Your card it automatically goes into QB

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  On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.comwrote:

 Bob,



 Particularly if you do not have a supervisor who can sign off on time
 sheets each week, having a timeclock that can report to a central location
 is an absolute must. You still should have a supervisor reviewing the times
 each week and, ideally, having the employees sign off that they agree that
 the timesheet is correct. I am happy to talk to you about these issues
 off-list. Shoot me an email or give me a call.



 House for a timeclock, have you considered using something that would
 also be QuickBooks integrated? Here's one option among many:




 http://m.costco.com/Icon-Time-Systems-SB-100-PRO-Employee-Time-Clock.product.11264785.htmlhttp://m.costco.com/Icon-Time-Systems-SB-100-PRO-Employee-Time-Clock.product.11264785.html


 http://m.costco.com/Icon-Time-Systems-SB-100-PRO-Employee-Time-Clock.product.11264785.html



 Doug



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 Date: 3/31/2014 5:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List;
 Subject:[WISPA] OT Time Clocks...

 OK This is a little off topic as far as wireless goes but

 I am looking for a time clock to keep track of employee time. Presently
 we are on the honor system (and I don't have a problem with that...just
 too much manual labor for the bookkeeper) and they mark down their own
 time on a sheet. At the end of the pay period someone has to retrieve
 their time sheets, fax them to the office, and then add up the time,
 enter into Quickbooks and then print payroll. The crews turn out at a
 remote site that is not part of the main office.

 Its time to work smarter not harder.

 I am looking for a time clock that can be connected to the Internet at
 the warehouse and all time info will be accessible remotely.

 Anyone have any suggestions?

 Tnx

 -B-

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Re: [WISPA] remote employee

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

One other to really think about how to make the distinction is this:

Are you hiring an individual or a business?   If you're paying an
individual to do work for you, there's a good chance that they're NOT an
independent contractor.   If you're paying a business then they probably
are.   And to clarify: I don't mean adding a company name will resolve the
issue.

If the person you're hiring is setting up a *business* to answer support
calls for you and for others, and is actively seeking other clients in
addition to you, then that's an independent contractor.   They should also
provide all their own tools and so on.

If the person is setting at home, answering calls only for you, has no
intent to go out and add other clients, etc. etc. etc. then they're an
employee, and need to be treated as such.

Many states have a specific way that you can verify the independent
contractor status.  In Montana, it's very simple:  Each worker has to be
covered under a worker's compensation policy, or they have to get an
Independent Contractor Exemption from the state.  Both of these options
have specific requirements.   I.E. If you're covered by a work comp policy,
then you're someone's employee and they should be paying employee taxes on
you.If you're a independent contractor then you have to apply and be
approved for the exemption.   See
http://erd.dli.mt.gov/workers-comp-regulations/montana-contractor/independent-contractor-central-unit/16-erd/montana-contractor/180-what-is-an-independent-contractor-exemption.html.

-forrest




On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com wrote:

   To clarify, contractors *can* punch a time clock.  There's no black and
 white rule against this.  The key is WHY are they punching a time clock?
 For instance, there might be situations where you require the contractor to
 track hours so you can bill a customer or keep statistics on service calls
 or efficiency.  That could be o.k.



 To be clear, though, *very few people qualify as independent contractors*.



 Speaking from my experience litigating and counseling employers on these
 cases, it is not uncommon for a worker whose contract has ended to apply
 for unemployment benefits or for an individual to seek worker's
 compensation benefits because of an injury incurred while on the
 contracting job.  The state or local workforce agency will not consult
 you, your accountant or the IRS.  Instead, the first question the intake
 clerk will ask the person is Where do you work?  The clerk will look at
 wage reporting records and see no earning reported and that often leads to
 an investigation that does not end well.



 Audits are expensive.  Fines are expensive.  Back wages and punitive
 damages are expensive.  Paying withholding taxes is cheap!



 Last year, one of my clients filed for bankruptcy and liquidated because
 all those contractors they were paying in their construction business
 started coming out of the woodwork asking for overtime, and unemployment
 benefits, and other damages.  Please don't be a statistic!



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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] remote employee



 It's my understanding that contractors can't punch a time
 clock.



 Provided you have the legal stuff worked out have him use a
 ticket system which logs hours.  If you don't have one fresh books is web
 

Re: [WISPA] remote employee

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Directly on point for you:

http://dlr.sd.gov/ui/publications/independent_vs_employee_fact_sheet.pdf

South Dakota Codified Law 61-1-11 states to be considered an independent
contractor,
a worker must be both free from direction and control and have an
independently
established business. Since other state and federal agencies may have
slightly different
definitions of independent contractors, their criteria may not apply to
South Dakota
Unemployment Insurance.

The courts have defined both portions of the South Dakota statute. The
first portion of
the statute concerns control. Although individuals may have freedom of
action in the
way work can be performed, control can still be exercised through other
means such as
written or verbal agreements or a contract. What really matters is who has
the legal
right to control the outcome of the work.

The second portion of the statute concerns whether the individual is
customarily
engaged in an independently established trade, occupation, profession, or
business.
The word independently means a trade, occupation, profession, or business
must be
established independently of, and exist separately from, the services
rendered to the
alleged employer. The present tense is indicates the individual must be
engaged in
such independent activity at the time of rendering the service to the
alleged employer. 

The linked .pdf has more information, and I'm sure state government will
help you further...

-forrest


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:39 AM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

So, we finally got our former local tech set up at his office at his
 new home 3 hours away. He has tunnel access into our net, access to billing
 and his VoIP phone tied to our switch to make and receive calls on our
 local lines, just like he did when he sat 10 feet from me. So next is to
 fine tune things.

 We dumped him as a regular employee and moved to contract labor with no
 benefits, basically bumped him to a level where his pay per hour covered
 what he received via benefits, like insurance and vacation. Makes it easier
 for the accountant as she just cuts a check and doesn't have to deduct
 taxes, however it now becomes his responsibility to claim wages and pay the
 taxes.

 What we are working on now is management. My boss wants him to log
 everything he does and pay from there, but to me that seems to be a lot of
 work. We have a web based time clock, but I already have issues with techs
 forgetting to clock in or clock out, I cant imagine it would be better
 having a guy clock out after every single support call. Our phone system
 can log time on the phone and where the calls went to, but of course a guy
 can be busy updating firmware and re-configuring equipment without being on
 the phone.

 The guy really only wants to clock 4 hours a day, but I need him available
 off an on during the day. He is unique and he could sit at home all day. I
 would almost just pay him 4 hours flat a day to sit and have him there and
 available, but the bosses want to pay him for only what he works, which I
 think puts more load on us deciphering logs to see what he actually worked.

 Anyways kind of a first for us, and maybe a last. Just wondering what
 others, if any, have done. I don't want to lose the guy because he takes
 care of a lot of stuff when I am gone and I don't have to train him.

 thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This sure looks like a Verizon home fusion broadband cantenna..  I.E.
verizon's fixed wireless LTE offering.

Hope she enjoys her metered service.

-forrest


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:43 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

   I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a town an hour
 away from me. My billing lady got the impression that she was going to use
 her 4G service. She lives out of town a mile where we are the only WISP or
 service around, aside from satellite or cell service. Our equipment was
 laying by her house as she was away for the day when we were there, but
 stated that the new equipment was mounted in our old spot. So my tech took
 this picture and it said Cantenna on the bottom of it. Its not like the
 Cantenna I have seen in the past. I am real positive that I do not have
 another WISP in the area. Do some WISPS use these devices? The closest
 business is a John Deere dealership, and I am fairly certain their IT would
 not allow external usage of their network, and all of the houses in the
 area use our service. Anyways just curious if any one had any ideas of what
 they could be using this for. I have had other customers cheat WiFi from
 their neighbors with different Cantennas, but I would use a UBNT device to
 re-distribute the service, if that's whats going on

 thanks
 heith

  *From:* 6052801...@mms.att.net
 *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:32 PM
 *To:* he...@mncomm.com
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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I guess the point I was trying to make was that every one of those airgrids
have been illegal to operate in 5.4 since day one.  If you're unfortunate
enough to get the FCC's attention you could be fined dearly for operating
out of spec.

A bit of history.   The 5.4 frequency block used to be military and
civilian radar only.  As part of the conditions of us gaining access to the
band the concept of DFS was created.   The specific purpose of DFS was to
protect the existing, licensed, and primary users of the band.   All
operations in 5.4 must use DFS to ensure that radios shut down instead of
interfering with the existing, primary users.   Without DFS we would have
never been permitted in the band.

As hardware came out which was capable of transmitting in the band some
implemented DFS and was certified and legal to operate in 5.4.  And some of
it, like the airgrids, could transmit in the 5.4 band but were not legal to
operate in those bands in the US.

One of the primary users in the 5.4 band is TDWR.   This detects micro
bursts at airports where they're common.  This is a public safety system
run by the FAA.  A couple of years ago the FAA started having interference
caused by various unlicensed operations in this band.  Several operators
were fined and as fallout the frequencies used by TDWR were carved out of
the band and cannot be used anywhere even in areas where TDWR isn't used.
In addition the FCC started tightening down on equipment sold in the US and
capable of operating in these bands.

Which gets us to where we are now.  UBNT and others are releasing firmware
updates specifically designed to deny illegal operation. This includes
removing compliance test mode.  In theory legal operations should not be
impacted, but operations which should never have been permitted in the
first place will no longer be possible.

In the bigger picture, illegal operations is a definite strike against our
credibility when we either ask for more bands or defend the ones we already
have, especially if there needs to be some sort of protection to existing
users of the band.
On Feb 14, 2014 2:17 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS approval but we
 are using the frequencies listed and DFS on the Rocket Sectors they connect
 to. I have been chasing jumping bunny rabbits (False Positives from
 competitors putting  up new APs)) - cost to replace $6000 not including
 labor costs. And money grows on trees.

 All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to bring them
 up to legal.

 Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came out 5.7-5.8
 No DFS that triggered my question about the lower frequencies whether it
 seemed like they were going to be withdrawn and sold off to the highest
 bidder. It is all about the money after all.

 Are we the only ones that deployed so many Airgrids?.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 li...@packetflux.com wrote:

 Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a certified radio.

 Your original message was complaining about the removal of compliance
 test mode.  The specific purpose of compliance test mode is to permit a
 radio to operate outside of legal limits.   For instance over the legal
 power limit or on DFS bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels
 for that radio.

 UBNT has stated over and over that their intent was not to prevent any
 legal operation of their radio.  I haven't heard of any instances where not
 having compliance mode has resulted in a meaningful impact to a legal
 operator.   I hate to defend them but in this case it seems like they may
 have gotten it nearly correct.

 Is there a specific frequency and power you're using you think is legal
 but isn't permitted unless you turn on compliance test mode?
 On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 5265-5320
 5500-5580
 5660-5700
 5735-5840

 Are these not USA channels?
 If am wrong let  me know and I will change them.


 On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


 Forrest...what is your offlist email ?

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
 frequencies?
 Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM


 I'm going to agree with others...

 Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it
 sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are
 whining about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have
 no use than to exceed the limits.

 I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they
 should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted.   My
 experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific
 tx power

Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a certified radio.

Your original message was complaining about the removal of compliance test
mode.  The specific purpose of compliance test mode is to permit a radio to
operate outside of legal limits.   For instance over the legal power limit
or on DFS bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels for that
radio.

UBNT has stated over and over that their intent was not to prevent any
legal operation of their radio.  I haven't heard of any instances where not
having compliance mode has resulted in a meaningful impact to a legal
operator.   I hate to defend them but in this case it seems like they may
have gotten it nearly correct.

Is there a specific frequency and power you're using you think is legal but
isn't permitted unless you turn on compliance test mode?
On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 5265-5320
 5500-5580
 5660-5700
 5735-5840

 Are these not USA channels?
 If am wrong let  me know and I will change them.


 On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


 Forrest...what is your offlist email ?

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
 Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM


 I'm going to agree with others...

 Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds
 like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining
 about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use
 than to exceed the limits.

 I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they
 should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted.   My
 experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific
 tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed
 over.  Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf
 than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor.

 Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all
 either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator
 like you are now.  And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the
 FCC which is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the
 rules.  Which makes us a bit grumpy.

 I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better
 understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your
 operations which will in turn improve your quality of service.   Heck, I'd
 drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.

 In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you
 reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.
 On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of
 these frequencies.
 Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that
 platform.
 First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about
 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840
 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
 Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
 Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess
 with it.
 Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA.
 Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports
 5170-5875.

 Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more
 money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both
 wisps and consumers.

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 509-927-7837
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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds
like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining
about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use
than to exceed the limits.

I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they
should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted.   My
experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific
tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed
over.  Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf
than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor.

Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all either
dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you
are now.  And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which
is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which
makes us a bit grumpy.

I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better
understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your
operations which will in turn improve your quality of service.   Heck, I'd
drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.

In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you
reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.
On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of
 these frequencies.
 Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that
 platform.
 First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about
 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840
 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
 Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
 Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with
 it.
 Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA.
 Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports
 5170-5875.

 Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more
 money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both
 wisps and consumers.

 --
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 Senior Networking Technician
 Ptera Inc.
 PO Box 135
 24001 E Mission Suite 50
 Liberty Lake, WA 99019
 509-927-7837
 ptera.com
 facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera

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Re: [WISPA] Voltage regulator

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Use a meanwell RSD series power supply.   RSD-100B-24 takes from
16.8-31.2VDC in and converts it to a clean 24V out.

The 100 means 100W.  There are other wattages.   (24V/4.8A is 100W, more
than enough for 8-10 UBNT radios).
B means '24v in'.   There are other ranges, not all are available in all
wattages.

The RSD handles inrush better than the SD versions.   There are din rail
and wall mount brackets available for this power supply.

-forrest


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 **
 I need a means to regulate the voltage coming out of the Solar Controller
  I need a constant 24 volts for Tranzeo and Ubiquiti radios. I now have
 between 25 and 29 volts.
 Any suggestions?
 NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Canopy Question

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

And interestingly, I remember changing channels a LOT back before the
switch to Canopy.  Not so much since.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.netwrote:

 **

 no sir, it does not.


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:39 PM
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Canopy Question

 Can anyone who's used Canopy on a regular basis answer a question or two
 for me?

 Does Canopy probe for interference on a regular basis... and if so, can
 it be programmed to jump to another frequency on its own?
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Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The other option I've used is to use one of the tripplite online UPS'es
which have a *Very wide* input frequency range.   Because it's online, it
will take the power from the gen, and then clean it up to the right
frequency for the load.

-forrest


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote:

 This is the third time in about two years that we've had some major
 power outages across our region due to the supplier lines going down.

 Every time the situation is the same,

 We roll out our portable generators to a few of our smaller sites that
 don't have full-time generators -- and every time we have to fight with
 them to get clean power out of them -- usually just ending up putting
 equipment directly on the generators and bypassing the UPS systems.

 I've seen the generators go everywhere from 40Hz to 90Hz.

 Has anyone come across a nice portable alternator (as opposed to a
 generator) that can be taken to tower sites as supplementary power?

 ~ Matt
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Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Personally, I'd like to see responses on these lists to be 'hey, this is
more relevant over on the X list', where the topic IS appropriate for the X
list.

-forrest

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Elton Wilson el...@alohabroadband.netwrote:

 Can we also move all Mikrotik and Canopy related posts to their respective
 lists since I use neither?


 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:11 PM, LTI - Dennis Burgess 
 gmsm...@gmail.comwrote:

 Here here!  Move it to the UBNT list!


 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Victoria Proffer 
 victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote:

 Sign me up to that list! =)

 ** **

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 President/CEO 

 314-974-5600

 St. Louis Broadband, LLC

 www. StLouisBroadband.com http://www.stlbroadband.com/

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Drew Lentz
 *Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2012 12:20 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Cc:* WISPA List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.

 ** **

 At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for
 WISPA. I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more
 this is turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this,
 but seriously. 

 ** **

 /just sayin

 ** **

 -drew 


 Sent from my iPhone


 On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote:
 

 Need help,

 I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. 

 Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it
 requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a
 DC to DC converter?

 ** **

 Best regards,
 

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 M: +234-803-5610040

 M: +234-809-8610040

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