Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First
I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or so. We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers than safety officers. Coming from the Fire Service I think of the countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us. Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think they were written after so many people lost their lives. This job isn't worth my life. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First
I think IIFSTA and the NFPA (while gathering lots of $$) helped quite a bit more than OSHA. :) ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or so. We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers than safety officers. Coming from the Fire Service I think of the countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us. Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think they were written after so many people lost their lives. This job isn't worth my life. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First
Never climb alone. Even if you do 100% tie off. A slip and fall and you could hit your head and be hanging upside down. If you use right equipment you are not going to slip out of your harness BUT Hanging upside down for any longer period of time is fatal. Always have someone on the ground even if they cannot climb but at least if something happens they can call emergency responds services. Also you MIGHT want to check with local services to see IF they have people trained on altitude/tower rescue and if they do not push them to get a couple of guys trained there or make sure when you climb that your ground partner has climbing equipment and appropriate rescue training (Comtrain comes to mind) to get you level at the very least. As you say this job is not worth your life. Climb safe. Use good safety equipment and always be 100% tied off... / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or so. We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers than safety officers. Coming from the Fire Service I think of the countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us. Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think they were written after so many people lost their lives. This job isn't worth my life. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First
Funny you should mention that. Another WISP I know just got nailed today by OSHA for not having the harness on in the bucket. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik I agree with you here. This is what I need to be doing also. I have had to go back up after thinking everything was ok. That is not fun. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Less time on tower. Pre-tested and known to work. Less chance of breaking something. Dennis Burgess wrote: Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik I agree with you here. This is what I need to be doing also. I have had to go back up after thinking everything was ok. That is not fun. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Enclosures with internal part numbers like Mt5ap Mt2ap Mt5hpol Mt5vpol Is what I've started doing to help the new guy associate what gear with what AP. Wish it was all Moto or all MT, but ya know... On 8/24/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Less time on tower. Pre-tested and known to work. Less chance of breaking something. Dennis Burgess wrote: Why you have complete APs vs just parts. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik I agree with you here. This is what I need to be doing also. I have had to go back up after thinking everything was ok. That is not fun. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: When we do this we replace the whole box so all the delicate work, pigtail and connector issues, small screws, gasket issues etc can be dealt with in the office. If you treat it like any other commercial solution (motorola, trango etc) you would do the same thing and it would work when you plugged it in cause you programmed it ahead of time. Or, if you have someone else to do it remotely then thats a bonus because they can also tell you if you broke anything else while you were working up there Not something you want to find out after you hit the ground :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
and all the other things you don't want
to do.
Does hauling everything up the tower so you don't have to count?
lol I prefer laptop duty myself
But in all seriousness you are absolutely right.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers.
Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely
could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety
guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate
insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of
our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively.
That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the
configuring/testing..
They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from
falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your
phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want
to do.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote:
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by
the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the
adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a
160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something
that
you would normally catch in an instance.
I guess there are pros and cons to both ways.
LaRoy
Scott Carullo wrote:
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should
assume
its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually
better it
lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2
cents
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to
reconfigure
when you change out a card.
I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.
I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that
went
out.
This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were
passing traffic before I could close the lid.
This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS.
Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then.
LaRoy McCann
Data Technology
www.dtisp.com
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Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Canvas bucket, beaners, new enclosure with stuff.
On 8/24/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote:
and all the other things you don't want
to do.
Does hauling everything up the tower so you don't have to count?
lol I prefer laptop duty myself
But in all seriousness you are absolutely right.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers.
Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still
a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely
could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety
guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate
insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of
our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively.
That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the
configuring/testing..
They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from
falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your
phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want
to do.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote:
Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by
the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the
adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a
160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something
that
you would normally catch in an instance.
I guess there are pros and cons to both ways.
LaRoy
Scott Carullo wrote:
It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should
assume
its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually
better it
lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2
cents
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to
reconfigure
when you change out a card.
I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.
I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that
went
out.
This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were
passing traffic before I could close the lid.
This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS.
Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then.
LaRoy McCann
Data Technology
www.dtisp.com
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Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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I could be wrong, but even being "self-employed", you are still subject to the OSHA rules. You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to follow the OSHA guidelines. Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the "Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench". Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Data Technology" w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: h
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Crescent wrench beats all wrenches. Especially if you get the battery powered one! On 8/24/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I could be wrong, but even being self-employed, you are still subject to the OSHA rules. You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to follow the OSHA guidelines. Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
My battery would be dead. They are ALWAYS DEAD! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik Crescent wrench beats all wrenches. Especially if you get the battery powered one! On 8/24/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I could be wrong, but even being self-employed, you are still subject to the OSHA rules. You don't need worker's comp insurance, but I think you still have to follow the OSHA guidelines. Travis Microserv Robert West wrote: Boy, that goes without saying on my send! Not only for the safety factor but for the Hey, I grabbed the wrong wrench. Saves lots of time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
No as self employed your exempt, as long as what your not doing is not endangering a employee or creating a hazard to them because you have to provide a work place to an employee that is free from *recognized* hazards that could cause harm or death to your employee. There are three types of work that are not OSHA covered. First one is self-employed persons. Then you have immediate family only operated farms and then finally any other work that is regulated by other federal agencies or other federal law (ain't that one pretty vague?). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:39:13 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
The first thing I was taught, many years ago, was never do high work alone. jp wrote: You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Data Technology" w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
