[WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
. Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
MPLS/VPLS Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Bridge/VLAN can easily become a nightmare to manage. I have helped 5+ customers get away from this method...and their management of the network became easier. With VLAN's you are not minimizing the broadcast traffic and other potentials. This is also a small waste of wireless spectrum. The only acceptable bridging I would ever do is from client to ap, then route from there (some client devices don't do routing). I have about 2-300 clients in this method...and it is still a major pain in the ass trying to figure out who is who. We are probably going to move to PPPoE for those. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
I would love to see the amount of data that you move JUST in PPPoE session data? I had one customer doing this and after analysis of a single backhaul we figured 20% of the backhaul bandwidth was just session keepalives. Its not much, but you timed it by 200-300 customers 24/7, it adds up! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
Approx. 3,500 wireless subs and 32 tower sites. Our wireless network has began to shrink since we've started to replace with FTTH. My only point is that I do recommend a routed network vs. bridged. But, a bridged network can work very well if designed properly. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:24 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisenericm...@gmail.com To:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use
LOL. It's very minimal. If 20% of your BH is saturated with PPPoE broadcasts then you have something else to worry about. Typical non-unicast packet rates on an average AP is around 1 pps. If anyone is interested in broadcast packet rates on a heavily utilized bridged network, let me know, offline. I have several Cacti graphs I can share. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:31 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: I would love to see the amount of data that you move JUST in PPPoE session data? I had one customer doing this and after analysis of a single backhaul we figured 20% of the backhaul bandwidth was just session keepalives. Its not much, but you timed it by 200-300 customers 24/7, it adds up! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisenericm...@gmail.com To:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wireless network. VLAN's work great for this. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:01 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do traffic isolation. Anyone care to share on this topic your experience either way? I'm considering a change in our routing infrastructure. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
