[WISPA] The Bottom Line
Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Have you talked to Sparkplug? They have a wireless backhaul middle-mile network that goes from Phoenix down to Yuma -- they basically cover all of AZ -- let me know if you want contact info for someone there -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
How much are you buying ($ and mbit)? I haven't seen a map of Level3's latest EON product, but there were WilTel EON huts in Dragoon and Bowie. Both are about 30 miles from you. Benson is a bit further at 40 miles. I don't know the terrain there (hilly, mountains, flatland), but if it's at all barren, you should be able to shoot to those areas in a hop or two. Worst case you could built all the way to Tuscon. Again, it depends on what you're doing now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 5:09 PM, Jason Wallace wrote: Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Sounds like a great contact to have... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 6:30 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
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Your best shot is back-hauling to a good capex x opex point as others pointed out, but if you find that doesn't work, consider using a mix of T1 bandwidth and one-way (better price and latency than two-way) satellite service, and policy-route traffic so some of it (usually web surfing, cache popullation etc.) uses the satellite and transparent or latency-sensite apps like VoIP goes only terrestrial. Caching flash videos, Microsoft and anti-virus updates using URL rewriting will also make more of your costly T1 or T1+satellite. See http://sourceforge.net/projects/incomum/ or http://cachevideos.com. Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The mailing address on the site says Pearce, AZ. He says he's in the heart of the Sulphur Valley. I'm not too familiar with that side of AZ, but a search for Sulphur Valley, AZ on GMaps turns up quite a few businesses located all over that region. I didn't want to assume he was only in Pearce. We've got coverage all around Yuma and throughout California's Imperial Valley, and pick up transit at several points within our coverage area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Sorry I wasn't clearer on my location; didn't occur to me in my moment of exasperation ;-) My coverage area centers on Pearce, AZ. I can see the flashing tower lights in Willcox. Douglas is 60 miles south, and Sierra Vista is on the other side of the Dragoon mountain range. Dragoon (the town) is just around the northern edge of the Dragoon Mtns, and is not reachable by a direct shot from my NOC, but might be with 1 hop. Blake Covarrubias wrote: The mailing address on the site says Pearce, AZ. He says he's in the heart of the Sulphur Valley. I'm not too familiar with that side of AZ, but a search for Sulphur Valley, AZ on GMaps turns up quite a few businesses located all over that region. I didn't want to assume he was only in Pearce. We've got coverage all around Yuma and throughout California's Imperial Valley, and pick up transit at several points within our coverage area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Hiya Jason, First off, get a caching system installed. One of the oldest (and probably best) is Squid running on a linux system. Next, how many miles will you have to go to get bandwidth in a bigger/cheaper place? How many hops would it take? lets say that you put towers no further than 15 miles apart so you can run AP's at them too. Better yet, find a barn or something similar every 15ish miles Here's why I ask. A $20,000 loan of 5 years should run you about $800 per month. Give or take a little. Next, how many subs do you have? I assume you are getting killed on your usage and need another $t-1 that you can't afford. Take the number of subs, divide by 800 and then raise your prices that much. Lets say you have 150 subs, you'll raise prices by roughly $5.00. Tell the subs that you're doing this to get more bandwidth and make their internet run faster. Nearly none of them will bat an eye. combine that with a Squid box and they'll think they died and went to heaven! OR, if it looks like that $20,000 will get you your own backhaul raise the prices and tell folks you are putting in a backup upstream connection, more bandwidth, whatever. And buck up. We didn't start making money till we'd been doing this for about 7 years. Now that I've been in wireless for 10 our income is growing FAST. Each new customer is a lot more of a net revenue than the old ones were. Heck, I've had to pay taxes for 3 years in a row now! yucko! grin marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mountains are good. No need for towers that way. Today 20 to 30 mile shots should be easy. Even 40 mile shots shouldn't be very hard. See if you can find houses that see each other all the way to the other end. Offer them free internet on 10 year contracts. Even if you have 5 or 6 hops it'll be fairly cheap and you shouldn't have much trouble getting a loan for that. Best part? NO towers needed! marlon - Original Message - From: Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
