Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. 

Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Andy Trimmell
Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
installed and love the service.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. 

Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)

-- 

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Mark Stephenson
If the CPEs are bridged and customers own the router, how do you protect
your network from people entering invalid or duplicate Ips or other nasty
things that they might do?

Thanks, Mark


On 11/17/09 9:56 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote:

 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)





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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Bret Clark
I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
network. 

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:

 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 
  That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. 
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 



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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
network. 

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:

 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 
  That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. 
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 




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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Buy NS2
Rip Tranzeo down (slide down or smash the Ethernet cover
Install NS2
???
PROFIT!!!

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
 bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
 opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
 network.

 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:

  Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
  we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
  to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
  to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
  installed and love the service.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Butch Evans
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
  On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
   That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 
  Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Mark Stephenson
Kurt,

Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100
are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive.

Mark
Country Connections
Washington Court House, OH


On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
 bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
 opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
 network. 
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 
 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Michael Baird
Same here, although we never had any troubles with Tranzeo NAT either 
(we run PPPoE/NAT on all w/client isolation on AP).

Regards
Michael Baird
 Kurt,

 Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100
 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive.

 Mark
 Country Connections
 Washington Court House, OH


 On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

   
 If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
 bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
 opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
 network. 

 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:

 
 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
   
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)

   
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Jason Hensley
Deliberant - hands down.  Have not had a problem with anything at all like
this.  We dropped Tranzeo a few years ago for other reasons, and are very
happy we did.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:23 AM
To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
network. 

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:

 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 
  That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. 
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 




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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
I run everything client in as a router (no nat) and have a central nat server.
no pesky nat tables at the client end, or my end (MT, 1gb ram, 1.2ghz p3)
and never sees more then ~15% cpu. AP's run in bridged mode for that few extra
cycles, with a MT behind em.


Mark Stephenson wrote:
 If the CPEs are bridged and customers own the router, how do you protect
 your network from people entering invalid or duplicate Ips or other nasty
 things that they might do?
 
 Thanks, Mark
 
 
 On 11/17/09 9:56 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote:
 
 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Just placed my first order for Ubiquity NS2's 5 minutes ago...

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

Kurt,

Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100
are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive.

Mark
Country Connections
Washington Court House, OH


On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
 bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
 opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
 network. 
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 
 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 
 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 
 
 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Michael Baird
Well, that's pretty amazing too, they are hard to find, Ubiquity has 
supply issues, NS2's seem to be in short supply right now, NS2-L's are 
available though. We use more Loco's though, so that is good for us, get 
the NanoBracket/LocoBracket's as well, they really make installation a 
breeze.

Regards
Michael Baird
 Just placed my first order for Ubiquity NS2's 5 minutes ago...

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 Kurt,

 Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100
 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive.

 Mark
 Country Connections
 Washington Court House, OH


 On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

   
 If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
 bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
 opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
 network. 

 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:

 
 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.

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 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
   
 That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Mark Stephenson
Go Kurt go! I think you will be pleased and it is especially nice that the
order did not cost as much as it would with other solutions. Ubiquiti is not
perfect either, but there seems to be real value there. Most of our new
installs are Ubiquiti now days unless the units are sold out.


On 11/17/09 12:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 Just placed my first order for Ubiquity NS2's 5 minutes ago...
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:01 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 Kurt,
 
 Have you tried Ubiquiti? We have about 140 of them installed. At least 100
 are set as routers doing NAT. So far results have been positive.
 
 Mark
 Country Connections
 Washington Court House, OH
 
 
 On 11/17/09 10:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 
 If someone made a CPE that did NAT properly with the Tranzeo mounting
 bracket and Ethernet cover, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bret Clark
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 I've always worried that by running the CPE's in bridging mode, really
 opens up the door for a teenage hacker to have a field day snooping the
 network. 
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 09:56 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 
 Our entire user base is based on customers needing to buy a router since
 we run all of our CPE's in bridge mode. Just not enough processing power
 to be running other services on them. People don't like the initial $50
 to go get a router before we get there but we make it up when they get
 installed and love the service.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles
 
 On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 00:02 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Gary Garrett
Reality.


 Dumb question:  What are you left with if you lose your insanity?  :-)
 



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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Randy Cosby
I'll take my happy delusions any day over your miserable reality.



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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-17 Thread Al Schneider
Can anyone send me the list of Stimulus applicants one of our members compiled 
and offered a few weeks back. 
Al Schneider
440-247-7501


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
Garrett [ggarr...@nidaho.net]
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Reality.


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[WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK, strange stuff today.

Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection issues. 
The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode. 
Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's getting 
4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.

He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.

I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and ran 
all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys 
(and his computers) and bang, down it goes.

Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down the 
link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP on 
the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part was 
working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.

Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the 
Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.  Or 
some Fox News sites.

I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem 
existed.

I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went. 
And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.

For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put as 
good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like I 
was right about that, again.  grin

So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable things at some customers try 
bridging instead of routing on your cpe devices.

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread RickG
What is the CPE?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 OK, strange stuff today.

 Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection
 issues.
 The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode.
 Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's
 getting
 4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.

 He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.

 I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and ran
 all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys
 (and his computers) and bang, down it goes.

 Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down the
 link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP on
 the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part was
 working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.

 Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the
 Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.  Or
 some Fox News sites.

 I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem
 existed.

 I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went.
 And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.

 For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put as
 good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like I
 was right about that, again.  grin

 So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable things at some customers try
 bridging instead of routing on your cpe devices.

 laters,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
cpq.  This one was a 15dB version.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles


 What is the CPE?

 On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 OK, strange stuff today.

 Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection
 issues.
 The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode.
 Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's
 getting
 4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.

 He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.

 I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and 
 ran
 all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys
 (and his computers) and bang, down it goes.

 Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down 
 the
 link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP on
 the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part 
 was
 working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.

 Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the
 Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.  Or
 some Fox News sites.

 I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem
 existed.

 I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went.
 And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.

 For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put 
 as
 good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like 
 I
 was right about that, again.  grin

 So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable things at some customers try
 bridging instead of routing on your cpe devices.

 laters,
 marlon




 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread RickG
The reason I asked was I had this same scenario but in reverse - I switched
out a Tranzeo for a Bullet2. In the end, the wireless router was bad (Belkin
:)
-RickG


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 cpq.  This one was a 15dB version.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles


  What is the CPE?
 
  On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
  o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
  OK, strange stuff today.
 
  Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection
  issues.
  The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode.
  Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's
  getting
  4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.
 
  He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.
 
  I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and
  ran
  all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys
  (and his computers) and bang, down it goes.
 
  Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down
  the
  link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP
 on
  the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part
  was
  working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.
 
  Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the
  Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.
  Or
  some Fox News sites.
 
  I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem
  existed.
 
  I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went.
  And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.
 
  For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put
  as
  good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like
  I
  was right about that, again.  grin
 
  So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable things at some customers
 try
  bridging instead of routing on your cpe devices.
 
  laters,
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
This is a KNOWN problem with CPQ/SL2 radios that run NAT. Tranzeo blames
having too many connections running bitorent, etc etc. But even on
machines without running P2P software this problem still persists. They say
that the NAT tables get full.

I brought this up almost 6 months ago in a thread titled Latest Tranzeo
Firmware = Broken NAT back around June, 9th 2009 on this list if you want
to look at the back logs.

Tranzeo never did fix the problem, they came out with version 4.0.5 which
they say was specifically for this and it didn't fix it completely.

Been talking to a few other WISPS and have confirmed that they are seeing it
too. That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. To date
they and I are doing the same thing, which is switching customers to bridge
mode as they complain.

I told Tranzeo that it was this problem and them not fixing it which was the
reason I was not going to do their 3.65ghz gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

OK, strange stuff today.

Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection issues.

The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode. 
Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's getting

4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.

He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.

I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and ran 
all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys 
(and his computers) and bang, down it goes.

Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down the 
link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP on 
the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part was 
working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.

Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the 
Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.  Or 
some Fox News sites.

I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem 
existed.

I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went. 
And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.

For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put as 
good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like I 
was right about that, again.  grin

So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable things at some customers try 
bridging instead of routing on your cpe devices.

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I can confirm that the new firmware didn't fix this.  It was a LITTLE bit 
better with the firmware that I downloaded TODAY.  But we could still lock 
up the radio at will.

NO ptp applications open.  Just open 2 or three sites like youtube or fox 
news (something common with more than one user in a house) and down the link 
would go.

I'm the same way on the 3650 gear from Tranzeo.  I've had such a bad time 
with the AP's I'm afraid to try anything new that they make.  Especially 
because they seem to have a habit of blaming things on everyone else.

If they have a product that was built with too little ram or whatever in it, 
I can deal with that.  Just tell me that the product won't do what I want it 
to do, then point me to the one you have that will do what I want it to do. 
Or at least just tell me I'm out of luck for now.  At least then I'll not 
bother selling things to my customers that don't work right!  There's 
NOTHING worse than ruining one's reputation by providing bad service.  I can 
handle nearly anything else.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles


 This is a KNOWN problem with CPQ/SL2 radios that run NAT. Tranzeo blames
 having too many connections running bitorent, etc etc. But even on
 machines without running P2P software this problem still persists. They 
 say
 that the NAT tables get full.

 I brought this up almost 6 months ago in a thread titled Latest Tranzeo
 Firmware = Broken NAT back around June, 9th 2009 on this list if you want
 to look at the back logs.

 Tranzeo never did fix the problem, they came out with version 4.0.5 which
 they say was specifically for this and it didn't fix it completely.

 Been talking to a few other WISPS and have confirmed that they are seeing 
 it
 too. That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. To date
 they and I are doing the same thing, which is switching customers to 
 bridge
 mode as they complain.

 I told Tranzeo that it was this problem and them not fixing it which was 
 the
 reason I was not going to do their 3.65ghz gear.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 OK, strange stuff today.

 Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection 
 issues.

 The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode.
 Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's 
 getting

 4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.

 He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.

 I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and ran
 all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys
 (and his computers) and bang, down it goes.

 Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down 
 the
 link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP on
 the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part 
 was
 working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.

 Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the
 Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.  Or
 some Fox News sites.

 I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem
 existed.

 I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went.
 And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.

 For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put as
 good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like I
 was right about that, again.  grin

 So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable things at some customers try
 bridging instead of routing on your cpe devices.

 laters,
 marlon



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

2009-11-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Marlon, 

I lost about a half dozen customers because of this issue before I knew what
the problem was. Many tower climbs replacing CPE's in the dead of winter
just to have the problem persist and customer eventually leaving. All could
have been fixed by switching them to Bridge mode but now I'm out some good
monthly revenue because of it.

I will confirm that the TR-6000/6500/6600 series radio's run NAT flawless.
Probably because of more onboard RAM. But who's gonna spend $250+ for those
when the SL2's are supposed to do the same thing (client mode) for sub $100
 

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty mad about this issue still...

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: Brent Thrift
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

I can confirm that the new firmware didn't fix this.  It was a LITTLE bit 
better with the firmware that I downloaded TODAY.  But we could still lock 
up the radio at will.

NO ptp applications open.  Just open 2 or three sites like youtube or fox 
news (something common with more than one user in a house) and down the link

would go.

I'm the same way on the 3650 gear from Tranzeo.  I've had such a bad time 
with the AP's I'm afraid to try anything new that they make.  Especially 
because they seem to have a habit of blaming things on everyone else.

If they have a product that was built with too little ram or whatever in it,

I can deal with that.  Just tell me that the product won't do what I want it

to do, then point me to the one you have that will do what I want it to do. 
Or at least just tell me I'm out of luck for now.  At least then I'll not 
bother selling things to my customers that don't work right!  There's 
NOTHING worse than ruining one's reputation by providing bad service.  I can

handle nearly anything else.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles


 This is a KNOWN problem with CPQ/SL2 radios that run NAT. Tranzeo blames
 having too many connections running bitorent, etc etc. But even on
 machines without running P2P software this problem still persists. They 
 say
 that the NAT tables get full.

 I brought this up almost 6 months ago in a thread titled Latest Tranzeo
 Firmware = Broken NAT back around June, 9th 2009 on this list if you want
 to look at the back logs.

 Tranzeo never did fix the problem, they came out with version 4.0.5 which
 they say was specifically for this and it didn't fix it completely.

 Been talking to a few other WISPS and have confirmed that they are seeing 
 it
 too. That's the only thing that kept me from loosing my insanity. To date
 they and I are doing the same thing, which is switching customers to 
 bridge
 mode as they complain.

 I told Tranzeo that it was this problem and them not fixing it which was 
 the
 reason I was not going to do their 3.65ghz gear.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Troubles

 OK, strange stuff today.

 Had a customer that's been complaining about intermittent connection 
 issues.

 The other day I went out there and moved him from g mode to b mode.
 Adjusted the power levels and such and things ran much better.  He's 
 getting

 4 megs by 4 megs pretty consistently.

 He called again, a few days later and he's having trouble again.

 I finally had time to get back there today.  Hooked up my computer and ran
 all the tests I normally do.  No problems at all.  Hooked up the Linksys
 (and his computers) and bang, down it goes.

 Disconnected his laptop and it starts working again.  Hook his up, down 
 the
 link goes.  Here's the strange part, I could always ping the public IP on
 the radio, and so could a person outside of my network.  So the RF part 
 was
 working fine, but we still couldn't get traffic through the radio.

 Eventually I figured out that with him disconnected and me wired to the
 Linksys I could consistently duplicate the outage by opening MySpace.  Or
 some Fox News sites.

 I upgraded the firmware on both the radio and the router, same problem
 existed.

 I ended up turning the radio into a bridge and BAM, off everything went.
 And the customer INSTANTLY noticed that things ran faster too.

 For years I avoided running radios as routers because You'll never put as
 good of a router into a radio as I can put behind it.  sigh  Looks like I
 was right about that, again.  grin

 So, if you are seeing strange, unexplainable