RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
I could take offense pretty easy at most of your comments - - so I will just choose to NOT make any comments at all :) Regards from deep in rural Louisiana, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us (VoIP Sales) www.radioresponse.org (Katrina Relief) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4181 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm here to help you :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
Farmers do not have the abilty to live in the city. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm here to help you :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
America wants cheap food. Period. In the past, cattle took better than 30 months to reach slaughter weight on grass. Under current industrialized agricultural methods cattle can go from birth to the meat case in less than 12 months. Its very similar for chickens, hogs or any other common form of protein we consume on a daily basis. All this requires cheap grain, which in turn is produced with assistance of govt. subsidization. In the past, meat was often a luxury meal for most Americans. Now we all get to eat it nearly every day. Most of my neighbors farm. I dont know one of them that would be taking subsidies just to screw the American taxpayer. Farmers usually just end up being a small cog in the great wheel of food production. So, if you dont like the system, dont participate. Buy all your food from a local producer and pay the actual price of production+profit. Dont patronize Safeway, or Walmart or Kroger etc.- otherwise you are implicitly participating in the system. Its a much more complicated issue than just paying farmers not to produce. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Yes, I totally DISAGREE with the government paying people to NOT grow crops. What ever happened to supply and demand? I thought that was lesson #1 in Economics. Travis Microserv Cliff Leboeuf wrote: So David,I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the governmentpaying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO cansurvive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over productioncreating too much product for not enough demand...?:)On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, andgovernment subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speedInternet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on theshoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your networkor for Joe User to get your service.If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to livein rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services(water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anythingand everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No onemakes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and theyshould take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associatedwith that decision.Just my own 2 cents.Dave989-837-3790 x 151989-837-3780 fax[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.mercury.net129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640- Original Message -From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PMSubject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup andinstallation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your ownpocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not beable to hook up to a WISP.Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access.Thanks,Chadd -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff BroadwickSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'mhere to helpyou:-)Jeff BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
I personally beleive it should be the local cities taking the loans from the federal governement, so they can distribute grants to local providers. Payback justified by increased local taxes (paid by users of the service) as they become more productive as economic development grows. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm here to help you :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
Hi, I live in a farming community. I drive to many of our towers thru what was once farmland (wheat, grain, etc.) and it now just weeds... yet the farmers still collect each year from the government for owning a piece of ground that they don't farm. I want to collect a yearly check from the government for every tower that I did NOT install because it would drive the price down too low. :) Travis Microserv chris cooper wrote: America wants cheap food. Period. In the past, cattle took better than 30 months to reach slaughter weight on grass. Under current industrialized agricultural methods cattle can go from birth to the meat case in less than 12 months. Its very similar for chickens, hogs or any other common form of protein we consume on a daily basis. All this requires cheap grain, which in turn is produced with assistance of govt. subsidization. In the past, meat was often a luxury meal for most Americans. Now we all get to eat it nearly every day. Most of my neighbors farm. I dont know one of them that would be taking subsidies just to screw the American taxpayer. Farmers usually just end up being a small cog in the great wheel of food production. So, if you dont like the system, dont participate. Buy all your food from a local producer and pay the actual price of production+profit. Dont patronize Safeway, or Walmart or Kroger etc.- otherwise you are implicitly participating in the system. Its a much more complicated issue than just paying farmers not to produce. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Yes, I totally DISAGREE with the government paying people to NOT grow crops. What ever happened to supply and demand? I thought that was lesson #1 in Economics. Travis Microserv Cliff Leboeuf wrote: So David, I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the government paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO can survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over production creating too much product for not enough demand...? :) On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, "David Sovereen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie..."I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
Scriv, I agree with you now. It feels right. But, this country has risen to the occasion, during different parts of its growth, to make spectacularly prescient moves...the TVA, rural provisioning of telephony, and the Interstate highways notwithstanding. It has also made very dumb decisions...too many to list. We only need to be very diligent to assure ourselves that this move is or isn't one of the dumb ones. I don't want to be a neo-Luddite, either. Luxemburg isn't our only global competition. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Let me be clear. I would rather the government stay out of broadband altogether. I honestly mean that. I think it is a shame that our government gets involved in as many things involving broadband as they do. The trouble is that they will not stay out of our business. So the next thing we have to decide is whether we just let them blindly regulate, tax and screw up the system or if we take an active role in making the system work for us if it is going to be working for someone. I hope that makes sense. It is honestly how I feel and is why I am as active in state and federal level issues as I am. Think of it this way, there will be grants for broadband over the next year, would you like it or would you rather other people get it? Somebody will be getting that money. Most of my efforts have to do with providing tax breaks and other incentives to smaller broadband companies to offer service in harder to reach areas. I am also part of a few public / private partnering groups who are trying to improve economic opportunity in our region by using broadband as a catalyst. Maybe it will work or maybe it will not. The one thing I can tell you though is that we are not creating new taxes. We are using existing programs and our own money to try to make the outlook for broadband and our economy better in our region (Southern Illinois). Scriv David Sovereen wrote: Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be able to hook up to a WISP. Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm here to help you :-) Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
