Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
I could generate the actual deployed cable footprint around the US and can come pretty close to the DSL footprint as well. The data is not readily available and it is labor intensive to create. To purchase the information on the Telco side is probably about $1,500 to $3,000 per state and as far as I am aware the only cable data available is the franchise area boundaries not the deployed footprint. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition I was thinking NANPA or someone like that would have the telco maps. I'm not necessarily talking about what's in DSL reach, but what's the information for their CO. I have attached the kind of map that can be generated from this kind of data. I'm sure Brian could work his GIS magic if we were able to locate the raw data. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
Telcodata.us is a source for CO information. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:00:54PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I was thinking NANPA or someone like that would have the telco maps. I'm not necessarily talking about what's in DSL reach, but what's the information for their CO. I have attached the kind of map that can be generated from this kind of data. I'm sure Brian could work his GIS magic if we were able to locate the raw data. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
Well right, but it won't give lat\long for the boundaries of the CO coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition Telcodata.us is a source for CO information. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:00:54PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I was thinking NANPA or someone like that would have the telco maps. I'm not necessarily talking about what's in DSL reach, but what's the information for their CO. I have attached the kind of map that can be generated from this kind of data. I'm sure Brian could work his GIS magic if we were able to locate the raw data. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
On Feb 5, 2009, at 12:41 PM, jp wrote: The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. Every town I've got a presence in where cable is also present has a cable map as part of the franchise agreement. This is FOILable information, though I've never had to do more than ask for it. Chuck A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I could generate the actual deployed cable footprint around the US and can come pretty close to the DSL footprint as well. The data is not readily available and it is labor intensive to create. To purchase the information on the Telco side is probably about $1,500 to $3,000 per state and as far as I am aware the only cable data available is the franchise area boundaries not the deployed footprint. The cable maps I've gotten from the towns I've asked for it in have always been the street level data, not the outer boundaries. Chuck Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 (607) 643-4055 Office (607) 435-3988 Mobile (208) 692-1898 Fax www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition I was thinking NANPA or someone like that would have the telco maps. I'm not necessarily talking about what's in DSL reach, but what's the information for their CO. I have attached the kind of map that can be generated from this kind of data. I'm sure Brian could work his GIS magic if we were able to locate the raw data. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition
Correct but then it still has to be converted from a paper map to a GIS readable format and someone has to go around to all the communities and gather that information :-) We're having a hard enough time getting the WISP footprints. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition On Feb 5, 2009, at 12:41 PM, jp wrote: The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have similar maps for their facilities, but I wouldn't expect all of them too, especially with older out of date facilities. They generally like facilities information kept confidential as proprietary information when working with state government here. With cable, it's extra tough to estimate coverage without detailed street level coverage maps. Every town I've got a presence in where cable is also present has a cable map as part of the franchise agreement. This is FOILable information, though I've never had to do more than ask for it. Chuck A big market of ours is (besides satellite TV choosers), places where cable doesn't go. If someone lives on a long road, driveway or sparesely populated street, cable is not cost effective to deliver there, and the construction charges can easily cost a property owner 5 digit figures. Of course, wireless has coverage gaps as well, but technical software like radio mobile can estimate that to some extent. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 10:02:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With the latest update from Brian, WISPs cover 743,456 square miles. The entire US is 3,794,066. That's 20%. If you exclude Alaska and Hawaii which are not covered in Brian's map and make up 674,198 square miles, that's 3,119,868. That puts us at 24% of the continental US. I think it would go a long way to say that WISPs provide more broadband coverage than x company provides services period, including areas they cannot provide broadband. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
