Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I actually think it is an issue with their BW tester (the windows version) that is. cause that is where I am seeing this. I am getting wire speed 90+ mbps on FTP Transfers. Mikrotik uses two 1gig MT routers around the 532 to do their testing. They are setting around 100mbits using that configuration and their built in bandwidth tester, not their windows version though. I have two 3.06 gig Dual Core HPs that I have setup with a 532 266mhz for testing right now, next is to load up a USB Flash card with a temp licence to see what they do. Dennis On 5/21/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards. It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I have found that MT test tools are accurate with enough CPU power. Thats part of the reason higher CPU's are needed. How does one troubleshoot and certify their links remotely on an ongoing basis? In the field, having a 1GB Router on each side usually isn't an option, and with Firewall trends, often only 1 router accessable on the ISP's end, provided they run a routed network at the cell, with a Linux box. It is imparative to have a radio device with enough horsepower to perform a linktest of itself. So sure it may be fine to have a 175mhz processor for subs that don;t need to be tested at speeds higher than a few mbps. But for APs, the CPU cycles are needed, to run a certifiable network. A 266Mhz board does not have enough CPU to keep up with full speed of a wireless card when test devices are outside each side of the router, and even less inability to self generate the tests from within MT. I recognize that my response/argument is not on topic with your thread, discussing Wired Ethernet MT Routers. I just like to throw in my pitch for higher CPU devices, whenever I have a window to :-) To keep the manufacturer's working on it, and aware that we need it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I actually think it is an issue with their BW tester (the windows version) that is. cause that is where I am seeing this. I am getting wire speed 90+ mbps on FTP Transfers. Mikrotik uses two 1gig MT routers around the 532 to do their testing. They are setting around 100mbits using that configuration and their built in bandwidth tester, not their windows version though. I have two 3.06 gig Dual Core HPs that I have setup with a 532 266mhz for testing right now, next is to load up a USB Flash card with a temp licence to see what they do. Dennis On 5/21/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards. It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I thought MT was going to release a 1ghz routerboard next week at the MUM? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I have found that MT test tools are accurate with enough CPU power. Thats part of the reason higher CPU's are needed. How does one troubleshoot and certify their links remotely on an ongoing basis? In the field, having a 1GB Router on each side usually isn't an option, and with Firewall trends, often only 1 router accessable on the ISP's end, provided they run a routed network at the cell, with a Linux box. It is imparative to have a radio device with enough horsepower to perform a linktest of itself. So sure it may be fine to have a 175mhz processor for subs that don;t need to be tested at speeds higher than a few mbps. But for APs, the CPU cycles are needed, to run a certifiable network. A 266Mhz board does not have enough CPU to keep up with full speed of a wireless card when test devices are outside each side of the router, and even less inability to self generate the tests from within MT. I recognize that my response/argument is not on topic with your thread, discussing Wired Ethernet MT Routers. I just like to throw in my pitch for higher CPU devices, whenever I have a window to :-) To keep the manufacturer's working on it, and aware that we need it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I actually think it is an issue with their BW tester (the windows version) that is. cause that is where I am seeing this. I am getting wire speed 90+ mbps on FTP Transfers. Mikrotik uses two 1gig MT routers around the 532 to do their testing. They are setting around 100mbits using that configuration and their built in bandwidth tester, not their windows version though. I have two 3.06 gig Dual Core HPs that I have setup with a 532 266mhz for testing right now, next is to load up a USB Flash card with a temp licence to see what they do. Dennis On 5/21/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
That would be exciting. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I thought MT was going to release a 1ghz routerboard next week at the MUM? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I have found that MT test tools are accurate with enough CPU power. Thats part of the reason higher CPU's are needed. How does one troubleshoot and certify their links remotely on an ongoing basis? In the field, having a 1GB Router on each side usually isn't an option, and with Firewall trends, often only 1 router accessable on the ISP's end, provided they run a routed network at the cell, with a Linux box. It is imparative to have a radio device with enough horsepower to perform a linktest of itself. So sure it may be fine to have a 175mhz processor for subs that don;t need to be tested at speeds higher than a few mbps. But for APs, the CPU cycles are needed, to run a certifiable network. A 266Mhz board does not have enough CPU to keep up with full speed of a wireless card when test devices are outside each side of the router, and even less inability to self generate the tests from within MT. I recognize that my response/argument is not on topic with your thread, discussing Wired Ethernet MT Routers. I just like to throw in my pitch for higher CPU devices, whenever I have a window to :-) To keep the manufacturer's working on it, and aware that we need it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I actually think it is an issue with their BW tester (the windows version) that is. cause that is where I am seeing this. I am getting wire speed 90+ mbps on FTP Transfers. Mikrotik uses two 1gig MT routers around the 532 to do their testing. They are setting around 100mbits using that configuration and their built in bandwidth tester, not their windows version though. I have two 3.06 gig Dual Core HPs that I have setup with a 532 266mhz for testing right now, next is to load up a USB Flash card with a temp licence to see what they do. Dennis On 5/21/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
Faster, more powerful MT boards are on the way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I have found that MT test tools are accurate with enough CPU power. Thats part of the reason higher CPU's are needed. How does one troubleshoot and certify their links remotely on an ongoing basis? In the field, having a 1GB Router on each side usually isn't an option, and with Firewall trends, often only 1 router accessable on the ISP's end, provided they run a routed network at the cell, with a Linux box. It is imparative to have a radio device with enough horsepower to perform a linktest of itself. So sure it may be fine to have a 175mhz processor for subs that don;t need to be tested at speeds higher than a few mbps. But for APs, the CPU cycles are needed, to run a certifiable network. A 266Mhz board does not have enough CPU to keep up with full speed of a wireless card when test devices are outside each side of the router, and even less inability to self generate the tests from within MT. I recognize that my response/argument is not on topic with your thread, discussing Wired Ethernet MT Routers. I just like to throw in my pitch for higher CPU devices, whenever I have a window to :-) To keep the manufacturer's working on it, and aware that we need it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I actually think it is an issue with their BW tester (the windows version) that is. cause that is where I am seeing this. I am getting wire speed 90+ mbps on FTP Transfers. Mikrotik uses two 1gig MT routers around the 532 to do their testing. They are setting around 100mbits using that configuration and their built in bandwidth tester, not their windows version though. I have two 3.06 gig Dual Core HPs that I have setup with a 532 266mhz for testing right now, next is to load up a USB Flash card with a temp licence to see what they do. Dennis On 5/21/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
Yep. There is several products that they should be talking about next week! Be sure to check out my site, as i will post some information about it, if possabe, etc. http://www.mikrotikconsulting.com. One of them includes a gigabit board that should have some power behind it! Should be very intresting to see. On 5/22/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Faster, more powerful MT boards are on the way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I have found that MT test tools are accurate with enough CPU power. Thats part of the reason higher CPU's are needed. How does one troubleshoot and certify their links remotely on an ongoing basis? In the field, having a 1GB Router on each side usually isn't an option, and with Firewall trends, often only 1 router accessable on the ISP's end, provided they run a routed network at the cell, with a Linux box. It is imparative to have a radio device with enough horsepower to perform a linktest of itself. So sure it may be fine to have a 175mhz processor for subs that don;t need to be tested at speeds higher than a few mbps. But for APs, the CPU cycles are needed, to run a certifiable network. A 266Mhz board does not have enough CPU to keep up with full speed of a wireless card when test devices are outside each side of the router, and even less inability to self generate the tests from within MT. I recognize that my response/argument is not on topic with your thread, discussing Wired Ethernet MT Routers. I just like to throw in my pitch for higher CPU devices, whenever I have a window to :-) To keep the manufacturer's working on it, and aware that we need it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I actually think it is an issue with their BW tester (the windows version) that is. cause that is where I am seeing this. I am getting wire speed 90+ mbps on FTP Transfers. Mikrotik uses two 1gig MT routers around the 532 to do their testing. They are setting around 100mbits using that configuration and their built in bandwidth tester, not their windows version though. I have two 3.06 gig Dual Core HPs that I have setup with a 532 266mhz for testing right now, next is to load up a USB Flash card with a temp licence to see what they do. Dennis On 5/21/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
http://www.czfree-ol.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2745 The new MT boards. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards.It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The RB1000 is listed as rack mountable aluminum case. Wonder if that means no outdoor PoE use? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.czfree-ol.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2745 The new MT boards. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards.It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards.It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I am seeing 20mbps BOTH WAYS on the older 266 boards. I also have a stack of 400mhz boards here, got them from WISP-ROUTER a while back for a project I was doing. Just a FYI on the last question. On the speed, I am speaking of the Ethernet, I am also getting one way speeds in excess of 90mbit doing FTP transfers one-way. This is just eithernet to ethernet not wireless at all. It would show that the 532 board is capable of doing more via ethernet, than wirelesss if this is the case. I will be getting some new wifi cards, to check out and see what the speeds are though them in a test lab, will let you know! Just a FYI, I do have a 5 mile, 5 gig link now that does 25 meg on-way using 532s, it is nstream, but not dual radios/antennas. Dennis On 5/21/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards.It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message.
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds
I would imagine as with all technology, they were able to run it faster with less heat. MT has a slew of new products coming (I believe 300, 600, 800, and 1000 series though I'm not 100% sure) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I do not have an opinion or data on the Ethernet to Ethernet configuration you mention. But it is important that we define both ways, expecially when dealing with Wireless cards. The max data we've been able to get out of a Mikrotik 532 AP, with 20Mhz channel 5.8G, connection tracking off, no type of compression considered, is about 20mbps thoughput. That means 20mbps in the Ethernet and 20mbps out the wireless card or Vice versa. It Does NOT mean 20mbps Full Duplex over the wireless. The big advantage that StarOS had over Mikrotik was the ability to run on a 533Mhz board allowing Wireless speeds as high as 35-40mbps without compression on a single 20mhz channel. Mikrotik 266Mhz boards in my opinion are wasteful to Wifi, if using 20Mhz channels, because the bottle neck is the CPU not the Wifi Card. With that said, I saw the press release on the Mikrotik 400Mhz 532 board, however, I have yet to see one sold any where. Are these available yet? Are they just 532 boards being overclocked? Are they stable? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 Speeds I wanted to post a message to make sure everyone understands a post that I made a while back on the speed of the 532s. First, I want to make sure that I say, that I CURRENTLY use Routerboard 532s on ALL my towers. I use it as all of the APs on my wireless network, and I use MT for 99% of my consulting customers router needs. I think that Mikrotik is a great product, heck, I even certified in the product, use it every day for WISP and network operations! With that said, I had stated that the thoughput of a 532 is around 20-25 meg. I want to clarify that it is MY EXPERIENCE that a 532 running as a CORE router, such as doing NAT, connection tracking, having simple queues, SFQ queueing, OSPF, ya name, it, the speed I have seen the processor at that point at 100% would be around 20meg BOTH WAYS, this does not account for wireless cards, just ETHERNET to ETHERNET! So, on the 266mhz processors, about 20 meg both ways, and around 25 meg for the new 400mhz boards. It has NOTHING to do with wireless connectivity, just pure processing power doing tones of tasks. Now with that said, with two workstaitons 3 foot of ethernet between them, and a 532 Rev5 with the 400mhz processor, one way I can do a FTP Transfer at 92 meg, and I see 2-3 meg going the other way.This is ONE connection, not a bunch, this is STRIGHT routing, no OSPF, no NAT, with connection tracking turned on. I also use TCP packets vs UDP, this 92meg/2meg would be very close to the limit of two 10/100 nics. I just wanted to clarify this, as many of my customers have asked me what is a good limit to start looking at puttting in something a bit bigger as they have grown. My opinion, depends on what you are doing with the MT, but a total thoughput of around 50meg is a good starting point, depending on how many features you are using on the MT, i.e. NAT, OSFP, etc. Now, looking at that, if you are moving more than 20 meg both ways on your network, doing it using a $200 router sounds awsome to me! Not to menton all of the other features you have! I don't doubt, that if you put up a wireless link and test with it, you can see much higher 50+ meg thoughput, depending on what the router is doing. In my case, we are looking at customers that use their 532 as a do everything router. If you have any thoughts, comments or questions, or if you have some real world experience, with NOTHING on, or only a few things on, be sure to post, i'm sure that many users will enjoy reading your findings. -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
