Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
I built a Mikrotik cellular 3G/4G/LTE device last year and the Mini-pcie card that I used was the Sierra Wireless AirPrime MC7700. At the time with ROS 5.x the drivers sucked bad and wouldn’t stay connected. This week I pulled it back out and installed ROS 6.13 and so far it has worked good. Unfortunately I’m in an area with ATT “4G” and our throughput kinda sucks. I’m going to take it with me to OKC next time I run up there and see how it works on the LTE up there. Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g router device I wouldn't recommend a mikrotik for this as they have horrible cellular modem support. If you even find one that is compatible it likely has bugs where 3g might work but 4g doesn't. Cellular is damn expensive but might be doable in this case. The plan with baltic is sprint only and is a true backup plan with low monthly costs but high data cost per MB so I would go with a standard verizon plan and maybe get a refurb cradlepoint MBR1000 on ebay, I have one and it works great. I'm a 100% mikrotik network as a wisp but can't recomend for cellular On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: heith wi...@mncomm.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
A place I worked at developed a Linux driver for the Sierra card (I know the programmer let me know if you need it) that might work with mikrotik probably better chances paying a pfsense bounty on the pfsense forum to get it working— Sent from Mailbox On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: I built a Mikrotik cellular 3G/4G/LTE device last year and the Mini-pcie card that I used was the Sierra Wireless AirPrime MC7700. At the time with ROS 5.x the drivers sucked bad and wouldn’t stay connected. This week I pulled it back out and installed ROS 6.13 and so far it has worked good. Unfortunately I’m in an area with ATT “4G” and our throughput kinda sucks. I’m going to take it with me to OKC next time I run up there and see how it works on the LTE up there. Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g router device I wouldn't recommend a mikrotik for this as they have horrible cellular modem support. If you even find one that is compatible it likely has bugs where 3g might work but 4g doesn't. Cellular is damn expensive but might be doable in this case. The plan with baltic is sprint only and is a true backup plan with low monthly costs but high data cost per MB so I would go with a standard verizon plan and maybe get a refurb cradlepoint MBR1000 on ebay, I have one and it works great. I'm a 100% mikrotik network as a wisp but can't recomend for cellular On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: heith wi...@mncomm.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] 4g router device
A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
I haven't done it, but it should work. MikroTik has a list of supported 3G/4G modems that should work: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Supported_Hardware#4G_LTE_cards Bryce D NETAGO From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of heith Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 15:59 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: heith wi...@mncomm.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
I wouldn't recommend a mikrotik for this as they have horrible cellular modem support. If you even find one that is compatible it likely has bugs where 3g might work but 4g doesn't. Cellular is damn expensive but might be doable in this case. The plan with baltic is sprint only and is a true backup plan with low monthly costs but high data cost per MB so I would go with a standard verizon plan and maybe get a refurb cradlepoint MBR1000 on ebay, I have one and it works great. I'm a 100% mikrotik network as a wisp but can't recomend for cellular On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *heith wi...@mncomm.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
Yeah I would gladly do a ptp to current ISP but there is none close. These areas are real desolate. I think data rate price could be ok as they intend to check once or twice day. In fact they live 30 miles away so it’s a pain to check manually or have a neighbor check for them. They could easily pay Verizon $100 a month and come out money ahead in fuel From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g router device The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net _ From: heith wi...@mncomm.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
Probably can do this with just a photo, might be an idea to keep consumption down On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yeah I would gladly do a ptp to current ISP but there is none close. These areas are real desolate. I think data rate price could be ok as they intend to check once or twice day. In fact they live 30 miles away so it’s a pain to check manually or have a neighbor check for them. They could easily pay Verizon $100 a month and come out money ahead in fuel *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 5:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g router device The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *heith wi...@mncomm.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
I would use a sensor inside the drum. mFI would be able to do this, but you'd want a server to graph the data and display it. That said, if you get him hooked on mFi or something similar, you'll deploy a lot of those for friends of his I bet. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/06/2014 02:48 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Probably can do this with just a photo, might be an idea to keep consumption down On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yeah I would gladly do a ptp to current ISP but there is none close. These areas are real desolate. I think data rate price could be ok as they intend to check once or twice day. In fact they live 30 miles away so it's a pain to check manually or have a neighbor check for them. They could easily pay Verizon $100 a month and come out money ahead in fuel *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 5:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g router device The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 tel:%28305%29663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *heith wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g router device
and that would use NO data. probably a $2 monthly sprint bill On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: I would use a sensor inside the drum. mFI would be able to do this, but you'd want a server to graph the data and display it. That said, if you get him hooked on mFi or something similar, you'll deploy a lot of those for friends of his I bet. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/06/2014 02:48 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Probably can do this with just a photo, might be an idea to keep consumption down On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yeah I would gladly do a ptp to current ISP but there is none close. These areas are real desolate. I think data rate price could be ok as they intend to check once or twice day. In fact they live 30 miles away so it’s a pain to check manually or have a neighbor check for them. They could easily pay Verizon $100 a month and come out money ahead in fuel *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 5:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g router device The Cell data Rate plans can get expensive if that is not an issue, yes this will work. However you can also consider building them a small network using 900mhz eg to view the camera or tie this to their existing internet (home or nearby) . Just a thought. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *heith wi...@mncomm.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, June 6, 2014 5:58:58 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] 4g router device A while back in Vegas Baltic Networks had a mikrotik router that operated on Verizon or Sprint. We were told it could be used for a back up at a remote site if you lost standard access through your regular network. In the past week I have had 2 ranchers hit me for a solution where they could check their water tanks with camera. The ranch property is leased ground so there is no standard wireline or wisp in the area and is way out of our service area. Has anyone done anything similar to this? From what we gathered it would use an existing cell plan for the data usage. I also heard that it could be used on Verizon Sprint, but ATT may be an issue. These places all have power at the tank/pumps, so we were just thinking a ubnt camera and this device, maybe a small battery backup, but we were just unsure if the router was a viable product for this application Thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
This is what so called LTE-Femtocell (release 11) with multihop capability. first it was planned to be over broadband i.e. xDSL/FTTH. however for rural areas the TV band 700MHz is looks more suitable e.g., going far with lower data rate... Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:02:11 -0500 From: wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Technically speaking, no different than anywhere else, just radios and antennas for different bands. In the WISP world, Canopy has the same platform available in several bands. As far as who is doing it? Verizon is doing LTE in their lower 700 MHz. ATT has an LTE phone coming that supports 700, 850, 1700 and 1900. US Cellular has a phone coming that supports LTE in 1900, 1700, 850 and 700. T-Mobile does HSPDA in 1700. There are other carriers, but those are the big ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:31:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Ouch ... So how is 4G deployed on AWS ( 1710-1755 MHz, and 2110-2155 MHz ) ? It sounds like it would be more like fauxG? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:19 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List; 'Chuck Hogg' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 4g? Hspda is 2.1 ghz, 4g lte is on 700 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:06 PM To: 'Chuck Hogg'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? What spectrum is the ATT fauxG on? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List Cc: Jason Bailey Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [ mailto:j284...@yahoo.com ] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
Data plans: $50 for 5 GB, $80 for 10 GB. $10 extra per 1 GB over. That¹s why it doesn't worry me one bit. From: Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri .html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I wonder if I would get any takers if I announced 4g plan options. Let the user run at 12x5 and charge the same pricing tiers. Just ran a quick analysis and I would be billing 4x monthly. And no-one would be paying less than they currently do now, although most would be paying atleast double. On 05/23/2012 04:41 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Actually: $60 a month for 10 gigabytes. • $90 a month for 20 gigabytes. • $120 a month for 30 gigabytes. --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 5:50 PM Data plans: $50 for 5 GB, $80 for 10 GB. $10 extra per 1 GB over. That’s why it doesn't worry me one bit. From: Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.comReply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgDate: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:41 PMTo: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_ve ri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria ProfferSTLWiMAX, LLC314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PMOldNews Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote:http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows-___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_ve ri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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ATT 4G is what we call FauxG. It's fake 4G. On the iPhones they are now calling HSDPA+ 4G, when a few months ago it was still considered 3G. Now on their coverage map, 4G LTE is listed separately. There is limited LTE ATT 4G in the US at this time, only in the big major cities. Not even available anywhere in KY for example. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. ** ** Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 ** ** *From:* Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM *To:* victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? ** ** 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com* wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com * wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Since the true standard for 4G is 100MBps it makes perfect that Sprint has 5G coming soon, a vapor standard. The techies have lost out to the marketing people once again, next they will find a way to show false speed tests like old AOL days when your port showed 115200 instead of the actual speed you were getting on modem connections so they could say they were faster than you 56K reading. If deceptive advertising were an art the Cellco's are Picasso in all his abstract glory. Forbes On 5/23/2012 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: ATT 4G is what we call FauxG. It's fake 4G. On the iPhones they are now calling HSDPA+ 4G, when a few months ago it was still considered 3G. Now on their coverage map, 4G LTE is listed separately. There is limited LTE ATT 4G in the US at this time, only in the big major cities. Not even available anywhere in KY for example. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 tel:314-720-1000 *From:*Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM *To:* victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer /victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com/* wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 tel:314-720-1000 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini /g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com/* wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com mailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. ** ** Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Victoria Proffer *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM *To:* 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? ** ** I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. ** ** Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 ** ** *From:* Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com j284...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM *To:* victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? ** ** 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com* wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On *Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com * wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Verizons 4G LTE is on 7oo mhz, so that and external antennas area good fit for heavy tree areas, plus they could change the CAP whenever they want! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000tel:314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000tel:314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000tel:314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
What spectrum is the ATT fauxG on? Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: Jason Bailey Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_ve ri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
Well, it's just an upgraded version of their 3G technology, so whatever that was. From ATT's Developer page FAQ: In the US ATT is deploying UMTS/HSDPA in the 1900 and 850 MHz bands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com To: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? What spectrum is the ATT fauxG on? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: Jason Bailey Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [ mailto:j284...@yahoo.com ] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
Hspda is 2.1 ghz, 4g lte is on 700 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:06 PM To: 'Chuck Hogg'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? What spectrum is the ATT fauxG on? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com]mailto:[mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: Jason Bailey Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000tel:314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000tel:314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.commailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLChttp://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000tel:314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comhttp://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4g?
Ouch ... So how is 4G deployed on AWS (1710-1755 MHz, and 2110-2155 MHz)? It sounds like it would be more like fauxG? Victoria Proffer http://www.stlwimax.com/ STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:19 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List; 'Chuck Hogg' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 4g? Hspda is 2.1 ghz, 4g lte is on 700 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:06 PM To: 'Chuck Hogg'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? What spectrum is the ATT fauxG on? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Cc: Jason Bailey Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [mailto:j284...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com http://mc/compose?to=g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_ve ri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Technically speaking, no different than anywhere else, just radios and antennas for different bands. In the WISP world, Canopy has the same platform available in several bands. As far as who is doing it? Verizon is doing LTE in their lower 700 MHz. ATT has an LTE phone coming that supports 700, 850, 1700 and 1900. US Cellular has a phone coming that supports LTE in 1900, 1700, 850 and 700. T-Mobile does HSPDA in 1700. There are other carriers, but those are the big ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:31:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Ouch ... So how is 4G deployed on AWS ( 1710-1755 MHz, and 2110-2155 MHz ) ? It sounds like it would be more like fauxG? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:19 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List; 'Chuck Hogg' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 4g? Hspda is 2.1 ghz, 4g lte is on 700 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:06 PM To: 'Chuck Hogg'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? What spectrum is the ATT fauxG on? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:02 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List Cc: Jason Bailey Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Like I said, it's not 4G LTE like Verizon's 4G. Regards, Chuck On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: See attached. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:22 PM To: 'Jason Bailey'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? I am seeing some of ATT 4G in my area, which is very heavy tree canopy, and we are seeing 200 ms latency ... I don't see how that can work very well. Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: Jason Bailey [ mailto:j284...@yahoo.com ] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:11 PM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? 700/800 MHz with an outdoor antenna? --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: From: Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:09 PM How does this fair in heavy tree canopy? Victoria Proffer STLWiMAX, LLC 314-720-1000 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? Anyone remember when sprint did this? The support headache killed it quickly --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4g? To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 6:04 PM Old News Sent from my Motorola Startac... On May 23, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2012/05/new_rural_internet_option_veri.html Nice ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks to outer space! Spectrum assets and financing. *LightSquared* already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, including 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency position. In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger Capital Partners and affiliates,*LightSquared* has additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Harbinger Capital Partners Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in New York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed credit investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of market cycles. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
Yikes! Very Interesting. Blake Bowers wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
Actually they are going to build a terrestrial network using satellite bands Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 10, 2010, at 2:20 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks to outer space! Spectrum assets and financing. LightSquared already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, including 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency position. In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger Capital Partners and affiliates,LightSquared has additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Harbinger Capital Partners Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in New York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed credit investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of market cycles. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
Do they have enough satellite frequencies that are low enough to work effectively for mobile use given the terrain and obstructions? Sent from my Mind... Gino Villarini wrote: Actually they are going to build a terrestrial network using satellite bands Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 10, 2010, at 2:20 AM, "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks to outer space! Spectrum assets and financing. LightSquared already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, including 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency position. In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger Capital Partners and affiliates,LightSquared has additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Harbinger Capital Partners Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in New York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed credit investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of market cycles. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
Although they do use that satellite word a lot, elsewhere in their page they talk about 40,000 cell sites - as in possibly they are doing their backhaul using satellite, but their last mile by terrestrial? I don't have a clue, but it appears they have a fairly big slug of money. One big warning flag I saw was they were talking about their satellite being built by Boeing right now - only one? No backup? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks to outer space! Spectrum assets and financing. *LightSquared* already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, including 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency position. In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger Capital Partners and affiliates,*LightSquared* has additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Harbinger Capital Partners Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in New York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed credit investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of market cycles. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
At 8/10/2010 10:15 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: Although they do use that satellite word a lot, elsewhere in their page they talk about 40,000 cell sites - as in possibly they are doing their backhaul using satellite, but their last mile by terrestrial? I don't have a clue, but it appears they have a fairly big slug of money. One big warning flag I saw was they were talking about their satellite being built by Boeing right now - only one? No backup? Lightsquared is the new name of a company that used to be called SkyTerra. They are and have been in the satellite business. The mobile satellite business did not take off the way the FCC thought it might a decade and a half ago, when it allocated frequencies to them. You might remember Iridium, for instance. The birds flew, but the business didn't, and it carried on as a bankruptcy asset, hardly encouraging new competition. And cellular spread more widely than anticipated, with better roaming, making satellite less necessary. SkyTerra had some customers too, but didn't exactly set the world on fire. So for the past decade, the satellite industry has been asking for permission to use their frequencies for auxiliary terrestrial component (ATC) operation. In other words, ground-based mobile networks, like cellular. The National Broadband Plan supports this, so the FCC is likely to allow SkyTerra -- LightSquared to recycle their frequencies in the 1.4/1.6 GHz range. SkyTerra plans 40,000 cells to cover 92% of the population; this includes both coverage (rural) and capacity (urban, after cell-splitting to accommodate growth) cells. Satellites can then provide fill-in coverage outside of terrestrial cell-site range, if you have a dual-mode phone. LightSquared's business model is to sell wholesale, while MVNOs do the retail sales. This makes a lot of sense, since setting up a retail network is costly, while there are existing retail networks (e.g., store chains and carriers who don't own wireless networks of their own) that could easily take on a new product line, and handle the billing for their own customers. The top two CMRSs (ATTM and VZW) don't want to sell wholesale, leaving MVNO support mostly to Sprint; this new network could substantially improve that market. I don't know their backhaul strategy but I expect it'll be like Sprint's and T-Mobile's -- use competitive facilities where available, private microwave when possible, and ILEC Special Access when all else fails. That last resort has been something like 90% of the time, which is why there's so much of a push to regulate Special Access rates. VZ and ATT make their real profits nowadays from those leased lines, selling to ISPs and wireless carriers. It's basically an unregulated monopoly. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
Fred, Can you see Lightsquared selling wholesale to a WISP? jack Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/10/2010 10:15 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: Although they do use that satellite word a lot, elsewhere in their page they talk about 40,000 "cell" sites - as in possibly they are doing their backhaul using satellite, but their last mile by terrestrial? I don't have a clue, but it appears they have a fairly big slug of money. One big warning flag I saw was they were talking about their satellite being built by Boeing right now - only one? No backup? Lightsquared is the new name of a company that used to be called SkyTerra. They are and have been in the satellite business. The mobile satellite business did not take off the way the FCC thought it might a decade and a half ago, when it allocated frequencies to them. You might remember Iridium, for instance. The birds flew, but the business didn't, and it carried on as a bankruptcy asset, hardly encouraging new competition. And cellular spread more widely than anticipated, with better roaming, making satellite less necessary. SkyTerra had some customers too, but didn't exactly set the world on fire. So for the past decade, the satellite industry has been asking for permission to use their frequencies for "auxiliary terrestrial component" (ATC) operation. In other words, ground-based mobile networks, like cellular. The National Broadband Plan supports this, so the FCC is likely to allow SkyTerra -- LightSquared to recycle their frequencies in the 1.4/1.6 GHz range. SkyTerra plans 40,000 cells to cover 92% of the population; this includes both "coverage" (rural) and "capacity" (urban, after cell-splitting to accommodate growth) cells. Satellites can then provide fill-in coverage outside of terrestrial cell-site range, if you have a dual-mode phone. LightSquared's business model is to sell wholesale, while MVNOs do the retail sales. This makes a lot of sense, since setting up a retail network is costly, while there are existing retail networks (e.g., store chains and carriers who don't own wireless networks of their own) that could easily take on a new product line, and handle the billing for their own customers. The top two CMRSs (ATTM and VZW) don't want to sell wholesale, leaving MVNO support mostly to Sprint; this new network could substantially improve that market. I don't know their backhaul strategy but I expect it'll be like Sprint's and T-Mobile's -- use competitive facilities where available, private microwave when possible, and ILEC Special Access when all else fails. That last resort has been something like 90% of the time, which is why there's so much of a push to regulate Special Access rates. VZ and ATT make their real profits nowadays from those leased lines, selling to ISPs and wireless carriers. It's basically an unregulated monopoly. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
At 8/10/2010 02:12 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Can you see Lightsquared selling wholesale to a WISP? For enough money, yes. But MVNO deals tend to be on the large side, so there could be a sizeable minimum commitment. If it's just a data service, the complexity on LightSquared's part might not be that great, which could help keep it small. jack Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/10/2010 10:15 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: Although they do use that satellite word a lot, elsewhere in their page they talk about 40,000 cell sites - as in possibly they are doing their backhaul using satellite, but their last mile by terrestrial? I don't have a clue, but it appears they have a fairly big slug of money. One big warning flag I saw was they were talking about their satellite being built by Boeing right now - only one? No backup? Lightsquared is the new name of a company that used to be called SkyTerra. They are and have been in the satellite business. The mobile satellite business did not take off the way the FCC thought it might a decade and a half ago, when it allocated frequencies to them. You might remember Iridium, for instance. The birds flew, but the business didn't, and it carried on as a bankruptcy asset, hardly encouraging new competition. And cellular spread more widely than anticipated, with better roaming, making satellite less necessary. SkyTerra had some customers too, but didn't exactly set the world on fire. So for the past decade, the satellite industry has been asking for permission to use their frequencies for auxiliary terrestrial component (ATC) operation. In other words, ground-based mobile networks, like cellular. The National Broadband Plan supports this, so the FCC is likely to allow SkyTerra -- LightSquared to recycle their frequencies in the 1.4/1.6 GHz range. SkyTerra plans 40,000 cells to cover 92% of the population; this includes both coverage (rural) and capacity (urban, after cell-splitting to accommodate growth) cells. Satellites can then provide fill-in coverage outside of terrestrial cell-site range, if you have a dual-mode phone. LightSquared's business model is to sell wholesale, while MVNOs do the retail sales. This makes a lot of sense, since setting up a retail network is costly, while there are existing retail networks (e.g., store chains and carriers who don't own wireless networks of their own) that could easily take on a new product line, and handle the billing for their own customers. The top two CMRSs (ATTM and VZW) don't want to sell wholesale, leaving MVNO support mostly to Sprint; this new network could substantially improve that market. I don't know their backhaul strategy but I expect it'll be like Sprint's and T-Mobile's -- use competitive facilities where available, private microwave when possible, and ILEC Special Access when all else fails. That last resort has been something like 90% of the time, which is why there's so much of a push to regulate Special Access rates. VZ and ATT make their real profits nowadays from those leased lines, selling to ISPs and wireless carriers. It's basically an unregulated monopoly. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
