Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-09 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 00:18, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Almost all HTTP content is gzip'ed already.  I doubt any compression
 above that is going to be worth the CPU time cost.


Do you have a cite for this? The best things I can find (with a whopping
total of two minutes on Google, admittedly) are things like
http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000compression/
which, while two years old, says that only about 1/4 of Web sites are using
server-side gzip compression.

Then again, those numbers do come from a company that sells a compression
ISAPI for Microsoft IIS Web servers, so it's probably in their best interest
to tweak the numbers downward a bit. I'm hoping for a more reliable source.
(Netcraft, for instance, doesn't seem to have anything, which surprises me.)

(That also doesn't account for the fact that gzip is a really old
compression scheme, and if you're using a client-side application like
Propel, you'll likely get better compression than gzip.)


 Even if the software was free, who would support the people who are
 terrified to install anything at all?


If you were deploying something like this, presumably your field techs would
be installing and testing the software on customers' PCs when you do
whatever else you do to install new customers. If you already have a large
customer base, though, you'd probably have to accept that some large number
of your customers never would install the software, and that you wouldn't
get all the benefits from it.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-09 Thread Randy Cosby
Jpegs and pngs are another area that they compress.  You can re-compress 
these images quite a bit.  They look uglier, but it saves quite a bit of 
the size.  Is it worth it?  I'm not too excited.

Randy


On 3/8/2010 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Almost all HTTP content is gzip'ed already.  I doubt any compression
 above that is going to be worth the CPU time cost.

 Even if the software was free, who would support the people who are
 terrified to install anything at all?

 On 3/9/10, Scottie Arnettsarn...@info-ed.com  wrote:

 If you really check into it, it is a data compression deal. Much like
 zipping up the data with winzip before it crosses the data layer. I really
 do not see how it can help with broadband in any sense. I used to use the
 same type deals on dial-up.

 Scottie


 -- Original Message --
 From: David E. Smithd...@mvn.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:56:22 -0600

  
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:


 OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!

 Anyone else used this or something similar?

  
 This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were
 all
 the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
 software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case,
 you
 won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
 that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
 base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

 We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough,
 though
 we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
 years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
 has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to
 sell
 us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
 really tested it in quite a while.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-09 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 19:16, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Sounds like an HTTP proxy doesn't it?

 I'm running for the hills!!!


ziproxy specifically is exactly that - they even say you have to use it as
your proxy, either by configuring your users' PCs accordingly, or with some
firewall trickery.

Not sure about Propel, but I'd guess it's the type that requires client
software be installed on users' computers (especially since they mention
things like RADIUS support on their Web site). This isn't necessarily bad,
and having something installed client-side probably lets you get better data
compression. You're not limited to things like JavaScript optimization and
recompressing JPEGs; you can go full-blown bundle files together using
better algorithms.

If your network is really stretched, and your budget is similar, I could see
some benefits here. ziproxy probably would let you save a bit on your
upstream bandwidth, since it appears to have a Squid-like Web caching
component. (Several years ago, my employer did basically the same thing,
having a second Internet connection brought in temporarily, and we used
Mikrotik's Web cache package and some firewalling to save some bandwidth on
the real upstreams. Aside from a few weird problems with certain customers
whose in-house stuff really didn't like being proxied and cached, it worked
well enough.)

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
HA HA

good point

even worse - who will  support those who say

your software broke my pc


On Mar 9, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  is gzip'ed already.  I doubt any compression
 above that is going to be worth the CPU time cost.

 Even if the software was free, who would support the people who are
 terrified to install anything at all?




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[WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data across 
especially busy parts of the network!

Anyone else used this or something similar?

Anyone have any thoughts on it?
thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers




 

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread David E. Smith
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!

 Anyone else used this or something similar?


This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all
the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you
won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though
we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell
us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
really tested it in quite a while.

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread jp
You mean like Proxyconn? We used to use that, but stopped because they 
haven't made any new software for a long time as well.

http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/ is what we replaced it with. Basically 
ziproxy being the customer facing side of a squid server. Even speeds up 
1mbps sort of connections, though not as dramatically as dialup. And of 
course since it's just a proxy setting, it works with all operating 
systems and browsers.

I have no idea how it compares with propel.

On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:56:22PM -0600, David E. Smith wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
  OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
  across especially busy parts of the network!
 
  Anyone else used this or something similar?
 
 
 This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all
 the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
 software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you
 won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
 that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
 base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.
 
 We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though
 we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
 years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
 has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell
 us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
 really tested it in quite a while.
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
The biggest issue I found w/ zipproxy (and I like it) is that it does not have 
an internal dns caching system - 
so each time a hostname is hit - it tries to resolve it 

So - if you use it - make sure to install a dns caching system along w/ it 

Also - make sure to run as a daemon as well. 

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On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, jp wrote:

 You mean like Proxyconn? We used to use that, but stopped because they 
 haven't made any new software for a long time as well.
 
 http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/ is what we replaced it with. Basically 
 ziproxy being the customer facing side of a squid server. Even speeds up 
 1mbps sort of connections, though not as dramatically as dialup. And of 
 course since it's just a proxy setting, it works with all operating 
 systems and browsers.
 
 I have no idea how it compares with propel.
 
 On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:56:22PM -0600, David E. Smith wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
 
 OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!
 
 Anyone else used this or something similar?
 
 
 This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all
 the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
 software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you
 won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
 that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
 base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.
 
 We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though
 we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
 years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
 has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell
 us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
 really tested it in quite a while.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Blair Davis




I'd love to know how it works

Without knowing that, I can't even guess if it would be useful to me.

Blair

Glenn Kelley wrote:

  The biggest issue I found w/ zipproxy (and I like it) is that it does not have an internal dns caching system - 
so each time a hostname is hit - it tries to resolve it 

So - if you use it - make sure to install a dns caching system along w/ it 

Also - make sure to run as a daemon as well. 

_
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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, jp wrote:

  
  
You mean like Proxyconn? We used to use that, but stopped because they 
haven't made any new software for a long time as well.

http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/ is what we replaced it with. Basically 
ziproxy being the customer facing side of a squid server. Even speeds up 
1mbps sort of connections, though not as dramatically as dialup. And of 
course since it's just a proxy setting, it works with all operating 
systems and browsers.

I have no idea how it compares with propel.

On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:56:22PM -0600, David E. Smith wrote:


  On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

  
  
OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
across especially busy parts of the network!

Anyone else used this or something similar?


  
  This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all
the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you
won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though
we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell
us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
really tested it in quite a while.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Sounds like an HTTP proxy doesn't it?

I'm running for the hills!!!

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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I'd love to know how it works

 Without knowing that, I can't even guess if it would be useful to me.

 Blair


 Glenn Kelley wrote:

 The biggest issue I found w/ zipproxy (and I like it) is that it does not 
 have an internal dns caching system -
 so each time a hostname is hit - it tries to resolve it

 So - if you use it - make sure to install a dns caching system along w/ it

 Also - make sure to run as a daemon as well.

 _
 Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com
   Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
 Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

 On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, jp wrote:



  You mean like Proxyconn? We used to use that, but stopped because they
 haven't made any new software for a long time as well.
 http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/ is what we replaced it with. Basically
 ziproxy being the customer facing side of a squid server. Even speeds up
 1mbps sort of connections, though not as dramatically as dialup. And of
 course since it's just a proxy setting, it works with all operating
 systems and browsers.

 I have no idea how it compares with propel.

 On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:56:22PM -0600, David E. Smith wrote:


  On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:



  OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!

 Anyone else used this or something similar?



  This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all
 the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
 software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you
 won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
 that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
 base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

 We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though
 we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
 years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
 has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell
 us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
 really tested it in quite a while.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Robert West
With weather like this today, the hills might be a nice change.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:17 PM
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Software for WISPAmembers

Sounds like an HTTP proxy doesn't it?

I'm running for the hills!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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that counts.
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I'd love to know how it works

 Without knowing that, I can't even guess if it would be useful to me.

 Blair


 Glenn Kelley wrote:

 The biggest issue I found w/ zipproxy (and I like it) is that it does not
have an internal dns caching system -
 so each time a hostname is hit - it tries to resolve it

 So - if you use it - make sure to install a dns caching system along w/ it

 Also - make sure to run as a daemon as well.



_
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   Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
 Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

 On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, jp wrote:



  You mean like Proxyconn? We used to use that, but stopped because they
 haven't made any new software for a long time as well.
 http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/ is what we replaced it with. Basically
 ziproxy being the customer facing side of a squid server. Even speeds up
 1mbps sort of connections, though not as dramatically as dialup. And of
 course since it's just a proxy setting, it works with all operating
 systems and browsers.

 I have no idea how it compares with propel.

 On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:56:22PM -0600, David E. Smith wrote:


  On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:



  OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!

 Anyone else used this or something similar?



  This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were
all
 the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
 software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case,
you
 won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically
anything
 that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
 base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

 We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough,
though
 we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
 years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This
probably
 has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to
sell
 us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
 really tested it in quite a while.

 David Smith
 MVN.net





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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Almost all HTTP content is gzip'ed already.  I doubt any compression
above that is going to be worth the CPU time cost.

Even if the software was free, who would support the people who are
terrified to install anything at all?

On 3/9/10, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:
 If you really check into it, it is a data compression deal. Much like
 zipping up the data with winzip before it crosses the data layer. I really
 do not see how it can help with broadband in any sense. I used to use the
 same type deals on dial-up.

 Scottie


 -- Original Message --
 From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:56:22 -0600

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!

 Anyone else used this or something similar?


This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were
 all
the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case,
 you
won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough,
 though
we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to
 sell
us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
really tested it in quite a while.

David Smith
MVN.net



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