Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
We do it. No contract. We will want to install the hardware and make sure that we're set up as backup only. Like you, if usage goes higher than we think backup should they'll get billed a full account till they get the main account working right again. Having said that, normally ours is the primary service and the other service is the backup. Same scenario though, they are set at the router level to only come online if ours goes down. marlon - Original Message - From: "Nick" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services > Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? > > I'm looking to offer backup service & want to offer a discount over the > standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we > monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as > their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to > our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and > they seem receptive to this. > > Nick > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
Sell it on a tiered level. Charge X number of dollars a month for a backup connection. If they surpass a certain threshold of usage (aka transfer) charge them full price. Easy enough to automate with PPPoE and such. -- Justin Wilson Aol & Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jonathan Schmidt Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:47:29 -0600 (CST) To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services "Along these lines..." sorry, I'm still LOL at your pun, Ryan. My family Nokia phones have the Joikuspot app (cost $6) which turns the phone into a Wi-Fi hotspot through AT&T 3G. I have an old laptop and dongle and it becomes the network's 3rd best route. It gets about 1.2 mbps down and is useful, at least. However, it's a manual decision but the VoIP is actually quite useful through it. In addition, the Nokia phones have a SIP app built in and it is also a line on my office system. Who have thought about all this 10 years ago? . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good premium. We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with and adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are pretty survivable. Ryan On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" wrote: > I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup. The router does > auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural > poles never within 10 degrees of vertical). The total time it's active > per month varies between zero and two days. I'd be willing to pay the $30 > (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing > to pay $25 for the same speed. In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same > for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same > poles...it would give me more reliability. I use Asterisk and link to my > office Asterisk so the Internet is really important. > > . . . j o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services > > I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any > discount. > > Maybe I should investigate doing this, however. > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote: >> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? >> >> I'm looking to offer backup service& want to offer a discount over the >> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we >> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as >> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to >> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and >> they seem receptive to this. >> >> Nick >> >> >> > -- > -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > -- > -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >
Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup. The router does auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural poles never within 10 degrees of vertical). The total time it's active per month varies between zero and two days. I'd be willing to pay the $30 (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing to pay $25 for the same speed. In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same poles...it would give me more reliability. I use Asterisk and link to my office Asterisk so the Internet is really important. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any discount. Maybe I should investigate doing this, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote: > Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? > > I'm looking to offer backup service& want to offer a discount over the > standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we > monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as > their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to > our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and > they seem receptive to this. > > Nick > > > -- -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good premium. We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with and adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are pretty survivable. Ryan On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" wrote: > I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup. The router does > auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural > poles never within 10 degrees of vertical). The total time it's active > per month varies between zero and two days. I'd be willing to pay the $30 > (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing > to pay $25 for the same speed. In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same > for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same > poles...it would give me more reliability. I use Asterisk and link to my > office Asterisk so the Internet is really important. > > . . . j o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services > > I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any > discount. > > Maybe I should investigate doing this, however. > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote: >> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? >> >> I'm looking to offer backup service& want to offer a discount over the >> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we >> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as >> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to >> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and >> they seem receptive to this. >> >> Nick >> >> >> > -- > -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > -- > -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
"Along these lines..." sorry, I'm still LOL at your pun, Ryan. My family Nokia phones have the Joikuspot app (cost $6) which turns the phone into a Wi-Fi hotspot through AT&T 3G. I have an old laptop and dongle and it becomes the network's 3rd best route. It gets about 1.2 mbps down and is useful, at least. However, it's a manual decision but the VoIP is actually quite useful through it. In addition, the Nokia phones have a SIP app built in and it is also a line on my office system. Who have thought about all this 10 years ago? . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good premium. We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with and adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are pretty survivable. Ryan On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" wrote: > I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup. The router does > auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural > poles never within 10 degrees of vertical). The total time it's active > per month varies between zero and two days. I'd be willing to pay the $30 > (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing > to pay $25 for the same speed. In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same > for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same > poles...it would give me more reliability. I use Asterisk and link to my > office Asterisk so the Internet is really important. > > . . . j o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services > > I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any > discount. > > Maybe I should investigate doing this, however. > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote: >> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? >> >> I'm looking to offer backup service& want to offer a discount over the >> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we >> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as >> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to >> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and >> they seem receptive to this. >> >> Nick >> >> >> > -- > -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > -- > -- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any discount. Maybe I should investigate doing this, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote: > Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? > > I'm looking to offer backup service& want to offer a discount over the > standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we > monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as > their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to > our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and > they seem receptive to this. > > Nick > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? I'm looking to offer backup service & want to offer a discount over the standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and they seem receptive to this. Nick WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
