Re: [WISPA] Not this again
Faisal,
Thank you for taking the time to search and locate the prefix for
the FCC ID. That prefix does indicate that the amplifier is
certified as part of a kit using the WLAN-LCUSB-03 wireless adapter.
So if Greg wants to extend the range of his computer using this
particular adapter on Channel 6 then this complete kit (or similar)
will be legal for him to use.
From L-Com's website
"The USB 802.11g adapter included with this kit is a L-com
WLAN-LCUSB-03. This adapter features a reverse polarity SMA
antenna port for use with the included rubber duck antenna. For
proper operation, the drivers and wireless utility included on
the CD in the kit must be installed. Note: The USB wireless
adapter included with this kit is factory set to operate on
channel 6 only."
Greg hasn't advised whether this is the use that he wants to put
this kit to so I await further information from him regarding his
intended use.
By the way, it seems rather unfortunate (or perhaps very deliberate)
that L-Com also includes on the same webpage the following:
Similar Products In Stock
100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC Connectors
100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC
Connectors
Your Price: $129.90
Availability: In Stock
So here they are advertising the same line of amplifiers NOT as part
of a certified kit but all alone. Yet it is illegal to sell
amplifiers that are not part of a certified kit, right? No, it is
legal to sell them if they are "replacement" amplifiers intended to
replace a amplifier that IS part of a certified kit but in which the
original amplifier has failed and needs replacement.
Is L-Com truly being ethical here and following the law or are they
deliberately making it possible to buy amplifiers which are legal
only under very limited, not-really-very- useful for legitimate WISP
conditions?
You decide.
And then there are their 25-watt 2.4 GHz amplifiers that are sold
NOT as a part of any certified kit. Is that ethical? Well, they
include the language "These amplifier products are
available only for export, military, licensed amateur radio and
OEM component sales and are not offered for general sale within
the USA.". I guess that make it OK, right?
jack
On 10/14/2010 12:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
From L-Com's website Product Description:-
Note:
This Hyperlink bi-directional amplifier is designed for burst
half-duplex operation. It is not intended for constant transmit or CW
operation. Operation of the amplifier in CW mode will damage the
amplifier and void the warranty.
FCC PART 15 NOTICE:
This amplifier can be used only in a system which it has obtained
authorization. The authorized systems by FCC Identifier are as follows: MYF
From FCC's Website.
---
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=97587&fcc_id='MYF-WL2401'
--
. So what exactly are we discussing ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
On 10/14/2010 3:01 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Greg,
I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal when
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.
I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were
lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was
legal when it appeared to not be legal.
Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out,
it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to
use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an
amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel 6
and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical
sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is
just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers.
They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the
amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them
for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other
mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed", etc.) is just bullshit
calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amplifier purchase
and use is legal.
Last but not least, for what purpose do you
Re: [WISPA] Not this again
From L-Com's website Product Description:-
Note:
This Hyperlink bi-directional amplifier is designed for burst
half-duplex operation. It is not intended for constant transmit or CW
operation. Operation of the amplifier in CW mode will damage the
amplifier and void the warranty.
FCC PART 15 NOTICE:
This amplifier can be used only in a system which it has obtained
authorization. The authorized systems by FCC Identifier are as follows: MYF
From FCC's Website.
---
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=97587&fcc_id='MYF-WL2401'
--
. So what exactly are we discussing ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
On 10/14/2010 3:01 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>Greg,
>
> I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people
> who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
> companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal
> when
> it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.
>
> I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they
> were
> lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was
> legal when it appeared to not be legal.
>
> Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out,
> it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to
> use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an
> amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on
> Channel 6
> and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical
> sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is
> just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers.
>
> They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the
> amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them
> for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other
> mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed", etc.) is just bullshit
> calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amplifier
> purchase
> and use is legal.
>
> Last but not least, for what purpose do you plan to use the amplifier? 9 times
> out of 10 there is a better and more effective way to get the results that you
> need.
>
> jack
> 818-227-4220
>
>
> On 10/14/2010 11:33 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've
>> just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into
>> detail to explain that their system are available without license or special
>> requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system.
>> Clicking on a link in their email brings you here
>> http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP
>> with amplifier and antenna which the FCC could determine it's eirp and
>> overall compliance and certify. But it's a wireless NIC for a computer with
>> an antenna, and a bare amplifier. There's no way the FCC could take cable
>> loss and antenna gain into account. The amps go from 100mW to 1W. How can
>> this possibly be certified if the amp isn't paired with an antenna? What 1W
>> amp and antenna combination could possibly yield a legal eirp? The antenna
>> would have to be a leaky dummy load. It surprises me that this could be
>> viewed as a "system" by the FCC and
wo
> ul
>>d receive certification to be put in the hands of the general public. It
>> seems to be that the sale of these "systems" would be a bane to the WISP
>> community.
>>
>> Are these truly FCC certified?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Not this again
Greg,
I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people
who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that
companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal
when
it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people.
I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were
lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was
legal when it appeared to not be legal.
Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out,
it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to
use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an
amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel
6
and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical
sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is
just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers.
They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the
amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them
for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other
mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed", etc.) is just bullshit
calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amplifier
purchase
and use is legal.
Last but not least, for what purpose do you plan to use the amplifier? 9 times
out of 10 there is a better and more effective way to get the results that you
need.
jack
818-227-4220
On 10/14/2010 11:33 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've
> just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into
> detail to explain that their system are available without license or special
> requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system.
> Clicking on a link in their email brings you here
> http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP
> with amplifier and antenna which the FCC could determine it's eirp and
> overall compliance and certify. But it's a wireless NIC for a computer with
> an antenna, and a bare amplifier. There's no way the FCC could take cable
> loss and antenna gain into account. The amps go from 100mW to 1W. How can
> this possibly be certified if the amp isn't paired with an antenna? What 1W
> amp and antenna combination could possibly yield a legal eirp? The antenna
> would have to be a leaky dummy load. It surprises me that this could be
> viewed as a "system" by the FCC and wo
ul
> d receive certification to be put in the hands of the general public. It
> seems to be that the sale of these "systems" would be a bane to the WISP
> community.
>
> Are these truly FCC certified?
>
> Greg
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Not this again
it appears to be a in-line amp, max input 100mW 20dbm, max out 100mw 20dbm... primarily designed to compensate for cable loss on long cable runs. What would be the issue with this ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom On 10/14/2010 2:46 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Yeah, I guess my bigger question is if it has a cert number has the FCC lost > it's mind? Are they really opening up the sale of high powered WiFi amps to > everyone? Who wants to be the last one on their block without one? > > Greg > > On Oct 14, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: > >> On 10/14/2010 2:33 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've >>> just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into >>> detail to explain that their system are available without license or >>> special requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a >>> complete system. Clicking on a link in their email brings you here >>> http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an >>> AP with amplifier and antenna which the F >> You could always ask them for the FCC Cert # >> >> Leon >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not this again
Yeah, I guess my bigger question is if it has a cert number has the FCC lost it's mind? Are they really opening up the sale of high powered WiFi amps to everyone? Who wants to be the last one on their block without one? Greg On Oct 14, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: > On 10/14/2010 2:33 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've >> just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into >> detail to explain that their system are available without license or special >> requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system. >> Clicking on a link in their email brings you here >> http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP >> with amplifier and antenna which the F > You could always ask them for the FCC Cert # > > Leon > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not this again
On 10/14/2010 2:33 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've > just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into > detail to explain that their system are available without license or special > requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system. > Clicking on a link in their email brings you here > http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP > with amplifier and antenna which the F You could always ask them for the FCC Cert # Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Not this again
I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into detail to explain that their system are available without license or special requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system. Clicking on a link in their email brings you here http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP with amplifier and antenna which the FCC could determine it's eirp and overall compliance and certify. But it's a wireless NIC for a computer with an antenna, and a bare amplifier. There's no way the FCC could take cable loss and antenna gain into account. The amps go from 100mW to 1W. How can this possibly be certified if the amp isn't paired with an antenna? What 1W amp and antenna combination could possibly yield a legal eirp? The antenna would have to be a leaky dummy load. It surprises me that this could be viewed as a "system" by the FCC and woul d receive certification to be put in the hands of the general public. It seems to be that the sale of these "systems" would be a bane to the WISP community. Are these truly FCC certified? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
