Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have also built my own POE board like that. My cost was around $75
in parts and spare time over 3 days. We do not have enough need to do
the integrated switch but did look into sourcing some hardened
switches and modifying them.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:44 AM,   wrote:
> They are Leviton and they work fine for our applications, but I'm looking
> forward to not having to have the pigtails and being able to plug and
> unplug directly.
>
> Cameron
>
>> Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to
>> the pigtails. How are they working out for you?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote:
>>
>>> Greg,
>>>
>>> We build one of these for internal use (posted about it last week), but
>>> ours is a passive device that needs an external switch. We use it in
>>> combination with a 493 or 493ah on tower tops. It takes any input
>>> voltage
>>> from 18-96 volts and outputs the same input voltage on 9 ports with two
>>> of
>>> the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12 V. Why only two
>>> ports? Well, to make it cheap enough, the voltage convertor we use only
>>> outputs about 1 amp so running more than 2 devices would probably not
>>> work. The voltage convertors we use are about $40 each so putting one on
>>> each jack would make the device pretty expensive. I'm sure we could
>>> design
>>> a power supply that would do everything we want, but since we aren't in
>>> the electronics mfg. business, it would be more costly that it is worth
>>> to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> With our next run, we will be making the board look a little different
>>> with two rows of ethernet jacks on the front of the board facing out
>>> instead of up/down. We find that getting the cables out of the jacks in
>>> the current config can be a PITA (hence the pigtails in the pics). The
>>> devices are about $150 in parts as they stand to make in small
>>> quanitites.
>>> I posted last week about it because I wanted to see if I could use some
>>> simple ICs to detect ethernet signal to trip a power relay to make a
>>> remote power cycle by disabling the ethernet port. Further research
>>> shows
>>> this is not possible without a PHY chip. I'll try to post a pic of one
>>> of
>>> our tower top boxes, but if it doesn't make it and you want to see it,
>>> hit
>>> me offlist. If you think it would be a big seller and you want to make
>>> an
>>> investment, I'm sure we could come to an agreement ;).
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
 Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo
 which
 could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable
 carrying
 POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE
 (adjustable
 voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably
 managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a
 single
 Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It
 seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it
 first.

 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-17 Thread ccrum
They are Leviton and they work fine for our applications, but I'm looking
forward to not having to have the pigtails and being able to plug and
unplug directly.

Cameron

> Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to
> the pigtails. How are they working out for you?
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> We build one of these for internal use (posted about it last week), but
>> ours is a passive device that needs an external switch. We use it in
>> combination with a 493 or 493ah on tower tops. It takes any input
>> voltage
>> from 18-96 volts and outputs the same input voltage on 9 ports with two
>> of
>> the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12 V. Why only two
>> ports? Well, to make it cheap enough, the voltage convertor we use only
>> outputs about 1 amp so running more than 2 devices would probably not
>> work. The voltage convertors we use are about $40 each so putting one on
>> each jack would make the device pretty expensive. I'm sure we could
>> design
>> a power supply that would do everything we want, but since we aren't in
>> the electronics mfg. business, it would be more costly that it is worth
>> to
>> us.
>>
>> With our next run, we will be making the board look a little different
>> with two rows of ethernet jacks on the front of the board facing out
>> instead of up/down. We find that getting the cables out of the jacks in
>> the current config can be a PITA (hence the pigtails in the pics). The
>> devices are about $150 in parts as they stand to make in small
>> quanitites.
>> I posted last week about it because I wanted to see if I could use some
>> simple ICs to detect ethernet signal to trip a power relay to make a
>> remote power cycle by disabling the ethernet port. Further research
>> shows
>> this is not possible without a PHY chip. I'll try to post a pic of one
>> of
>> our tower top boxes, but if it doesn't make it and you want to see it,
>> hit
>> me offlist. If you think it would be a big seller and you want to make
>> an
>> investment, I'm sure we could come to an agreement ;).
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo
>>> which
>>> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable
>>> carrying
>>> POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE
>>> (adjustable
>>> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably
>>> managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a
>>> single
>>> Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It
>>> seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to the 
pigtails. How are they working out for you?

Greg

On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote:

> Greg,
> 
> We build one of these for internal use (posted about it last week), but
> ours is a passive device that needs an external switch. We use it in
> combination with a 493 or 493ah on tower tops. It takes any input voltage
> from 18-96 volts and outputs the same input voltage on 9 ports with two of
> the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12 V. Why only two
> ports? Well, to make it cheap enough, the voltage convertor we use only
> outputs about 1 amp so running more than 2 devices would probably not
> work. The voltage convertors we use are about $40 each so putting one on
> each jack would make the device pretty expensive. I'm sure we could design
> a power supply that would do everything we want, but since we aren't in
> the electronics mfg. business, it would be more costly that it is worth to
> us.
> 
> With our next run, we will be making the board look a little different
> with two rows of ethernet jacks on the front of the board facing out
> instead of up/down. We find that getting the cables out of the jacks in
> the current config can be a PITA (hence the pigtails in the pics). The
> devices are about $150 in parts as they stand to make in small quanitites.
> I posted last week about it because I wanted to see if I could use some
> simple ICs to detect ethernet signal to trip a power relay to make a
> remote power cycle by disabling the ethernet port. Further research shows
> this is not possible without a PHY chip. I'll try to post a pic of one of
> our tower top boxes, but if it doesn't make it and you want to see it, hit
> me offlist. If you think it would be a big seller and you want to make an
> investment, I'm sure we could come to an agreement ;).
> 
> Cameron
> 
>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
>> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying
>> POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable
>> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably
>> managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single
>> Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It
>> seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it
>> first.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
That looks good.
On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Scott Parsons wrote:

> There is an TP-SW5-NC 5 Port switch with POE voltage from 12V to 48V. You
> can't have different voltages on different ports and it isn't a managed
> switch.
> <http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-SW5-NC/High-Speed-10100Mb-5-Port-POE-Sw
> itch.html>
> 
> There is a POE crossover cable to power non standard (moto) with standard
> POE gear.
> <http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-POE-XOVER/Power-Over-Ethernet-Voltage-P
> olarity-Crossover.html>
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?
> 
> I asked the same over on the Motorola list a few months back. No one knew of
> anything, but Chuck at Wireless Beehive said if there was enough interested
> he would build one.
> 
> My idea was almost like yours except I wanted the ability to change the
> positive and negative pins for other equipment that is not following the POE
> standard (Moto).
> 
> Scottie
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Greg Ihnen 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:46:38 -0430
> 
>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying
> POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable
> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)?
> I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up
> the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this
> is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Scott Parsons
There is an TP-SW5-NC 5 Port switch with POE voltage from 12V to 48V. You
can't have different voltages on different ports and it isn't a managed
switch.
<http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-SW5-NC/High-Speed-10100Mb-5-Port-POE-Sw
itch.html>

There is a POE crossover cable to power non standard (moto) with standard
POE gear.
<http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-POE-XOVER/Power-Over-Ethernet-Voltage-P
olarity-Crossover.html>

Scott

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

I asked the same over on the Motorola list a few months back. No one knew of
anything, but Chuck at Wireless Beehive said if there was enough interested
he would build one.

My idea was almost like yours except I wanted the ability to change the
positive and negative pins for other equipment that is not following the POE
standard (Moto).

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Greg Ihnen 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:46:38 -0430

>Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying
POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable
voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)?
I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up
the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this
is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.

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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Scottie Arnett
I asked the same over on the Motorola list a few months back. No one knew of 
anything, but Chuck at Wireless Beehive said if there was enough interested he 
would build one.

My idea was almost like yours except I wanted the ability to change the 
positive and negative pins for other equipment that is not following the POE 
standard (Moto).

Scottie

-- Original Message --
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Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:46:38 -0430

>Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which could 
>be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying POE 
>(perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable voltages) 
>to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)? I'm 
>thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up the 
>tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this is 
>something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Larry Yunker
A quick google search turned up this:

http://www.wirelesslan.gr/product_info.php?cPath=48&products_id=1062&osCsid=
440557bb417622d46a58ff9007e2a706

POE switching volt to 5V or 6V or 7.5V or 9V or 12V

Looks to be 48V in and two outputs of 5V, 6V, 7.5V, 9V, or 12V.  It would
require a fairly large case at the top side of your tower, but you could run
48V up a single 4 pair ethernet cable to a 3COM NJ200 - then you could run
48V out of the various ports of the NJ200 into these little voltage
regulator devices and then run the regulated 12V power out of these devices
and into your top side equipment.  Theoretically it would work and you would
have a network switch topside all running off of a single 4 pair wire.

NOTE: I wouldn't do this!  I would just run extra pairs to the top.  The
less equipment topside the better.  Too many circuits top-side makes too
much climb time.  Stuff breaks... I think Murphy's law has some sort of
postulate that says stuff at 200ft AGL breaks MORE OFTEN!!!

- Larry 



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Thanks. Those are good but don't quite do it. The specs say the POE is 48v.
I'd like something that you could program the POE out to 12v connected
devices.

Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Delp wrote:

> 3Com was close with the Network Jack devices.  made to fit in a wall
outlet,
> poe, POE out, and 300 version was managed.  Only four ports out, but
initial
> testing was pretty cool.  It is only 802.3af.
> 
> nj200 is the 10/100 model, and I just googled it and there is now a nj2000
> for Gigabit speeds.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
>> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying
>> POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable
>> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably
managed)?
>> I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet
up
>> the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like
this
>> is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks. Those are good but don't quite do it. The specs say the POE is 48v. I'd 
like something that you could program the POE out to 12v connected devices.

Greg
On Mar 16, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Mike Delp wrote:

> 3Com was close with the Network Jack devices.  made to fit in a wall outlet,
> poe, POE out, and 300 version was managed.  Only four ports out, but initial
> testing was pretty cool.  It is only 802.3af.
> 
> nj200 is the 10/100 model, and I just googled it and there is now a nj2000
> for Gigabit speeds.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
>> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying
>> POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable
>> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)?
>> I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up
>> the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this
>> is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Mike Delp
3Com was close with the Network Jack devices.  made to fit in a wall outlet,
poe, POE out, and 300 version was managed.  Only four ports out, but initial
testing was pretty cool.  It is only 802.3af.

nj200 is the 10/100 model, and I just googled it and there is now a nj2000
for Gigabit speeds.

Thanks

Mike

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

> Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
> could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying
> POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable
> voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)?
> I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up
> the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this
> is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.
>
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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Cameron Kilton
It would be neat to see for smaller sites, but I wouldn't use it on
larger sites, one point of failure makes me nervous a bit. Especially
since Cat5e is so cheap.

To answer your question, no, I have not seen it but would like to :) 

-Cameron

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Subject: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which
could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable
carrying POE (perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE
(adjustable voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch
(preferably managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person
run a single Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered
devices. It seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I
Googled it first.

Greg




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[WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which could 
be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying POE 
(perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable voltages) 
to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)? I'm thinking 
of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up the tower and 
then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this is something that 
would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.

Greg



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