[WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
I sent this off to the FCC today: What is different between 1) Adding an FCC certified PCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from Best Buy to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting in my living room And 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are missing a critical point: Show me a miniPCI wireless card which has a certification for an outdoor AP style antenna. *That* is the point of this thread. None of the miniPCI based systems are certified because noone has bothered to certify the miniPCI wireless card with a correct set of antennas. For instance, the Ubiquiti SR2 is only certified with a 3dbi omni from Hyperlink. Other cards are similar. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are missing a critical point: Show me a miniPCI wireless card which has a certification for an outdoor AP style antenna. *That* is the point of this thread. None of the miniPCI based systems are certified because noone has bothered to certify the miniPCI wireless card with a correct set of antennas. For instance, the Ubiquiti SR2 is only certified with a 3dbi omni from Hyperlink. Other cards are similar. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
It seems to me like having Ubiquiti certified with various WISP antennas would be far cheaper than certifying each combination of Routerboard / Wireless Card / Case / Antenna combination. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Mike Hammett wrote: The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. Actually it appears to have been tested with the following two antennas:* *Hyperlinktech, Dipole, HG2403RD-RSF, 3dbi Radio waves, Parabolic, SP1.5(2/3)-5.8, 31.4dBi. The ceritificate at the FCC is for 5.7 only. Not sure what happened to the 2.4 grant. So it looks like you can use the XR5 in 5.7 with the radiowaves antenna. However, any other antennas would be illegal until such time as Ubiquiti specifies in writing that the additional antennas are legal to use, with specific model numbers. I would, however, be skeptical of anything but a Parabolic of some sort, since the FCC requires the certification testing be done for each antenna type - where type is not neccessarily just parabolic, but things like parabolic with dipole feed, DC open, and a specific in and out of band gain pattern. I would expect there to be no problem with Ubiquiti saying that the lower gain radiowaves 5.8ghz parabolic antennas are ok, but anything else may require additional testing. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/836 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 1:10 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: It seems to me like having Ubiquiti certified with various WISP antennas would be far cheaper than certifying each combination of Routerboard / Wireless Card / Case / Antenna combination. That would be correct. If I understand the regs correctly, what you could do is verify the routerboard (and probably the cases) emission limits as a computing device, and then certify the Ubiquiti card with antennas. You would also have to do the computing device test on the ubiquity card so that it can be integrated into a routerboard enclosure. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
Motherboards and power supplies are tested independent of a case - if it's in a case, they test it with the all covers removed. Section 15.32(a). We may still have an issue, however. Routerboards are not typical personal computers due to lack of keyboard, video, etc. So Routerboards and similar SBCs may never make it as a personal computer. But VIA boards, and any NanoITX with video, keyboard, mouse DOES meet the definition of a personal computer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Doug Ratcliffe wrote: It seems to me like having Ubiquiti certified with various WISP antennas would be far cheaper than certifying each combination of Routerboard / Wireless Card / Case / Antenna combination. That would be correct. If I understand the regs correctly, what you could do is verify the routerboard (and probably the cases) emission limits as a computing device, and then certify the Ubiquiti card with antennas. You would also have to do the computing device test on the ubiquity card so that it can be integrated into a routerboard enclosure. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/836 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 1:10 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Motherboards and power supplies are tested independent of a case - if it's in a case, they test it with the all covers removed. Section 15.32(a). We may still have an issue, however. Routerboards are not typical personal computers due to lack of keyboard, video, etc. So Routerboards and similar SBCs may never make it as a personal computer. But VIA boards, and any NanoITX with video, keyboard, mouse DOES meet the definition of a personal computer. I don't think this is an insurmountable issue. As long as the tests are done like it was a Class B personal computer, you shouldn't have any problems at all. If you read the appropriate sections of Part 15, what they really mean by personal computer seems to be a computing device you use at your house (or can be used at the house) and has boards which can be added or removed. That is: Motherboard, case and power supply are tested (together or seperate, i'm not sure). This takes care of the certification for the Routerboard. This should be done my Mikrotik or the board manufacturer. Then the radio is tested and certified both as a Peripheral and as a Part 15 intentional radiator. This should be done by the radio manufacturer - and needs to include a reasonable range of antennas. That would solve the problem we are talking about. The problem is getting the vendors to actually go the additional mile to make this happen. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
Talking about XR5s You get them to work yet? My test cards get out performed by CM9s. I'm using WARs and StarOS for testing. I haven't tried them in Mikrotik yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are missing a critical point: Show me a miniPCI wireless card which has a certification for an outdoor AP style antenna. *That* is the point of this thread. None of the miniPCI based systems are certified because noone has bothered to certify the miniPCI wireless card with a correct set of antennas. For instance, the Ubiquiti SR2 is only certified with a 3dbi omni from Hyperlink. Other cards are similar. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
My XR5 cards are work great! Tom DeReggi wrote: Talking about XR5s You get them to work yet? My test cards get out performed by CM9s. I'm using WARs and StarOS for testing. I haven't tried them in Mikrotik yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are missing a critical point: Show me a miniPCI wireless card which has a certification for an outdoor AP style antenna. *That* is the point of this thread. None of the miniPCI based systems are certified because noone has bothered to certify the miniPCI wireless card with a correct set of antennas. For instance, the Ubiquiti SR2 is only certified with a 3dbi omni from Hyperlink. Other cards are similar. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
That was supposed to be. My XR5 cards are working great! Blair Davis wrote: My XR5 cards are work great! Tom DeReggi wrote: Talking about XR5s You get them to work yet? My test cards get out performed by CM9s. I'm using WARs and StarOS for testing. I haven't tried them in Mikrotik yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are missing a critical point: Show me a miniPCI wireless card which has a certification for an outdoor AP style antenna. *That* is the point of this thread. None of the miniPCI based systems are certified because noone has bothered to certify the miniPCI wireless card with a correct set of antennas. For instance, the Ubiquiti SR2 is only certified with a 3dbi omni from Hyperlink. Other cards are similar. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
I have an XR2 in a MT AP. I cannot get it to authenticate PPPoE. All my others work fine, WLM54g's. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Talking about XR5s You get them to work yet? My test cards get out performed by CM9s. I'm using WARs and StarOS for testing. I haven't tried them in Mikrotik yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC
In what configuration and OS? Actually, Our tests were with the XR2s. I basically, inserted a CM9, SR2, ZCOM (100watt), and XR2, and then did the swap aroo, recording the rssi received on the other end. The first thing that was required, was that with the XR2, STAROS had to be set to a 10 tx power. Anything higher, would cause the card not to associate or ahve way to high a degraded quality value less than 15%. Set at 10 or under, it would function at appropriate quality. The other cards could be set at def and deliver higher RSSI at a higher quality than the XR2. The CM9, ZCOM, and SR2's rssi changed appropriatealy as calculated that it should, with the SR2 it had added about 8-10 db over the CM9. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC That was supposed to be. My XR5 cards are working great! Blair Davis wrote: My XR5 cards are work great! Tom DeReggi wrote: Talking about XR5s You get them to work yet? My test cards get out performed by CM9s. I'm using WARs and StarOS for testing. I haven't tried them in Mikrotik yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are missing a critical point: Show me a miniPCI wireless card which has a certification for an outdoor AP style antenna. *That* is the point of this thread. None of the miniPCI based systems are certified because noone has bothered to certify the miniPCI wireless card with a correct set of antennas. For instance, the Ubiquiti SR2 is only certified with a 3dbi omni from Hyperlink. Other cards are similar. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
