Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-26 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Those cards are for metering applications and they are a build to order
product with a 1k pieces MOQ. So to dispel any myths or issues they are NOT
TV Whitespace radios and not widely available. 

/ Eje
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc.


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There are 2 MHz of spectrum in the 220 MHz band able to be licensed for
private land mobile use in the US using very narrow channels. I think they
are targeting remote meter reading markets with this radio not broadband.
The frequency range is also probably useable in other bands outside the US.



Thank You,
Brian Webster


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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Webster
There are 2 MHz of spectrum in the 220 MHz band able to be licensed for
private land mobile use in the US using very narrow channels. I think they
are targeting remote meter reading markets with this radio not broadband.
The frequency range is also probably useable in other bands outside the US.



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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I like to plan ahead.  But hopefully my competition waits 18 months to
look into white spaces.  :)  I would like that.

Jack Unger wrote:

  
Please ask again in 6 - 18 months. White Space is not available for use
yet. 
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  
Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces?

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, with a couple of exclusions, channels 2 - 5x are available for 
whitespaces.

That card only works from 180 MHz - 280 MHz, which falls under what I stated 
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From: Brian Rohrbacher 
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The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in my area.  I'd 
love to get my hands on one of those cards and start testing, it I would be 
able to use it in my area.

Brian Rohrbacher

Mike Hammett wrote: 
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread John Valenti
Brian,
Like Jack says, this is nothing like a whitespaces device.
You can download the first draft of the specifications at the FCC, I  
think it is about 120 pages.  The devices are supposed to have a  
sensing radio to detect existing tv channels, in addition to detecting  
wireless microphones, and then shift to another open channel. And it  
is supposed to go over the net to query a database (that doesn't exist  
yet) as to what channels are open in a given area.

Also, you ask about what antennas are available. Speculation was that  
you would buy a radio and it would be certified with a specific  
antenna. The certification requirements will be much stricter than the  
unlicensed gear we are familiar with. And I would suspect the tv  
people will be looking over your shoulder, making sure you follow the  
letter of the law.

Also, I believe the channels available in a given area are still  
somewhat in flux. Many stations were going to move around on the  
transition date, now that is delayed. I don't think the database Brian  
queried to build his google.kml has the "final" data.
-John

On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

> So, is it a card that operates in some of the white spaces frequency  
> then?
>
> Jack Unger wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, it's not a "White Spaces" card. I expect White Spaces  
>> equipment to be ready in possibly 18 to 24 months.
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>
>>> The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
>>> So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in  
>>> my area.  I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start  
>>> testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.
>>>
>>> Brian Rohrbacher




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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Jack Unger




Brian, 

Yes; it is a card with a frequency range that overlaps some of the
existing VHF television channel frequencies. In the future, in some
geographic areas some of these channels, if unused for Television
Broadcasting could be available for Fixed broadband wireless use under
the TV White Spaces rules. IF the card is contained inside
FCC-certified equipment and IF the network operator properly deploys
the equipment with an appropriate Internet connection to the (not yet
in existence) FCC-mandated geolocation database, the card might
possibly (although somewhat unlikely) be used legally for TV White
Spaces work. TV White Spaces is going to require an entire equipment
"ecosystem" (hardware, software, antennas and database). This card,
because of its rather narrow frequency range and possible other
technical limitations, won't likely be chosen by manufacturers for
their TVWS equipment. 

jack



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
So, is it a card that operates in some of the white spaces frequency
then?  
  
Jack Unger wrote:
  

Sorry, it's not a "White Spaces" card. I expect White Spaces equipment
to be ready in possibly 18 to 24 months. 

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area.  I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.
  
Brian Rohrbacher
  
Mike Hammett wrote:
  
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




So, is it a card that operates in some of the white spaces frequency
then?  

Jack Unger wrote:

  
Sorry, it's not a "White Spaces" card. I expect White Spaces equipment
to be ready in possibly 18 to 24 months. 
  
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  

The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area.  I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.

Brian Rohrbacher

Mike Hammett wrote:

  http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


-
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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Jack Unger




Please ask again in 6 - 18 months. White Space is not available for use
yet. 

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces?

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Jack Unger




Sorry, it's not a "White Spaces" card. I expect White Spaces equipment
to be ready in possibly 18 to 24 months. 

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area.  I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.
  
Brian Rohrbacher
  
Mike Hammett wrote:
  
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


-
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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces?

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
On that page it says the card is for meter reading. I don't think it has
anything to do with TV Whitespaces

 

Daniel White

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http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

 

The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in my area.
I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start testing, it I would
be able to use it in my area.

Brian Rohrbacher

Mike Hammett wrote: 

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
 
I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.
 
It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.
 
There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.
 
 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces?  And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area.  I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.

Brian Rohrbacher

Mike Hammett wrote:

  http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.

It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other 
services.

There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.


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[WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?

2009-02-25 Thread Randy Cosby
http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php

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