Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
Depends on how far apart your backhauls are going to be. I went to the Ubiquiti Bullets and a pacific wireless grid at 5GHz for up to 15 miles. Some of the Nanos and Airgrids can be used for closer range. As far as Mimo, if you are looking to push more than 70+ mbps through a backhaul, you may need that. If not, you can use what I mentioned easily. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
Sorry, saw you were talking clients. What I see as the plus on the client side is using dual polarity sectors then even if I am using a single polarity cpe, such as an airgrid, I can rotate it and possibly catch a better signal. For the dual polarity Nanos, I've seen a cleaner signal and more stable. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
MIMO/802.11N on MT sucks. Use UBNT. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
Wireless cards? OH MY GOD YES. For a backhaul or AP there is no doubt about it. Every day I find something else to complain about the r5*/r2* cards. The overall quality is on par with the price, but it's the little things. Like removing 5/10mhz channel support on the card but allowing it in the GUI. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
I found that out as well. Even with the CPE use, I saw the signal fluctuating way too much. I had 2 subs connecting to the same AP and close to the same distance out. The UBNT 2.4 card outperformed the MT card hands down. Not at first, on the initial install it all looked good but in a few days it all turned to crapola for the MT card. The plus side is, they work just fine in my laptop! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
I really prefer MT APs to Ubnt APs. On 4/19/10, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:15 -0600 That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
In hindsight, I think we would have tried to do PPPoE on our network instead of routing. The primary reason is Management and Billing, and then we'd also not have to setup special firewall rules on our routed clients for their public ip address. Then for our in-town hotspots our customers could also login there and use the internet at full speed, instead of the limited speed we have for the public. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:15 -0600 That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
So are you saying that if I do PPPoE, and have routing at the CPE device, I don't really need to do routing between towers? Is there any point in having IP ranges per location if using PPPoE, or is it not even possible then? On 04/19/2010 04:29 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: In hindsight, I think we would have tried to do PPPoE on our network instead of routing. The primary reason is Management and Billing, and then we'd also not have to setup special firewall rules on our routed clients for their public ip address. Then for our in-town hotspots our customers could also login there and use the internet at full speed, instead of the limited speed we have for the public. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:15 -0600 That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
I've tried hotspot and it's pretty painful to manage and keep working some times. On 4/19/10, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:15 -0600 That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
Correct. Depends on your situation, you can still do IP ranges...setup a PPPoE concentrator per tower, and assign an IP range for that concentrator. Really it is up to you. You could PPPoE tunnel all the way back to your core (I don't think I'd advise that, if you have multiple wireless backhauls in between). PPPoE can get flaky for those customers with bad signals. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP So are you saying that if I do PPPoE, and have routing at the CPE device, I don't really need to do routing between towers? Is there any point in having IP ranges per location if using PPPoE, or is it not even possible then? On 04/19/2010 04:29 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: In hindsight, I think we would have tried to do PPPoE on our network instead of routing. The primary reason is Management and Billing, and then we'd also not have to setup special firewall rules on our routed clients for their public ip address. Then for our in-town hotspots our customers could also login there and use the internet at full speed, instead of the limited speed we have for the public. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP If you are going to use a Tik box as the AP or the backend, set up a hotspot service. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:15 -0600 That brings me to another question. So far I've just been putting manaul IP, no DHCP. I've been looking at putting up a radius server, but don't quite see how I can setup the clients. How is this done? the Tranzeo clients have no radius client configuration. Or is there not a need to configure each client? What's better, or is there a difference between radius or radius with PPPoE? -- I think I read that it's possible to setup the latter. Tranzeo supports PPPoE on the clients. On 04/19/2010 02:50 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have lots of MT AP's, in fact most of them are, I do use a couple of UBNT AP (and I'm talking about 2.4, almost all of my 5GHZ AP's are UBNT). The thing I hate is the ACL list which I can't put in the customer name and IP so I can easily diagnosis it. I guess it's forcing me to put up a radius server and control them all from the billing system. Lots of work but we need easy access to see who's causing what in the towers, MT provides for that Ubiquiti doesn't. On 4/19/2010 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: If you have to use MT as the AP, yes go with the UBNT cards. MT cards are ok for CPE stuff. Certainly not tower stuff. But I was moreso saying don't use MT as the AP. Use the UBNT Rockets or Nano's as APs. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
I swapped out my last MT as backhaul and am now all UBNT witth that. UBNT is a cheap and simple plug and play system so it has worked more than well for us for backhaul duty. MT is now used for the odd stuff where we need to config a special use. - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP MIMO/802.11N on MT sucks. Use UBNT. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP
HA! That was a head scratcher for me too. A nice email to the company over that. No response, as anticipated. AND I WANT MY SERIAL PORT SENSING BACK1 :) B0b- - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Wireless cards? OH MY GOD YES. For a backhaul or AP there is no doubt about it. Every day I find something else to complain about the r5*/r2* cards. The overall quality is on par with the price, but it's the little things. Like removing 5/10mhz channel support on the card but allowing it in the GUI. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: On 04/19/2010 01:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: On the subject of strictly MT backhauls what kind of throughput are you looking for? My throughput requirements are minimal at this point. I'm in Belize, and clients here generally get 128 to 512kbps connections. If I get a 36Mbit backhaul link, I'm good for a while. I always use this enclosure http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= For a backhaul with 1 card a 411ah is fine. 433ah for two cards. Ubnt for xr2/xr5 cards. So you'd rather go with ubnt cards than Mikrotik? I've used Arc antenna/enclosure for 5ghz small backhauls and they work as expected. I've used Pac dishes for extra punch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: your MT vendor or hardware vendor can help you with this. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] what to use with Mikrotik as AP Hi, I'm running a small WISP and I've been using only Tranzeo till now. I would like to start using something that support MIMO. What should I consider? Been reading a lot on this list about UBNT and Mikrotik. What boards do you use if you go with Mikrotik? Will I get any benefit if I put some MIMO clients, but still mostly use Tranzeo clients? Also for Mikrotik backhauls, can someone give details of the boards, cards and enclosures you use for them? many thanks, Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
