Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-06 Thread Dan Brisson
11:35 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Ok, thanks for validating. It also seemed a bit strange to me and yes, I checked

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Mike Goebel
If you don't have LAG set up, you get MAC flapping on the switch - check the log on the switch perhaps. I'd have to check the manual, but from what I recall, it's required. I've run multiple 5508s and WiSMs, but always did LAG. Mike On 1/31/2012 7:39 PM, Jeffrey Sessler wrote: Are the AP's

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Lee H Badman
-Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Goebel Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:41 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session If you

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Hope this helps a few who might be experiencing this. I had the same

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
Interesting theory. We do use DHCP, although we're using DHCP across the entire campus so if this was the case, I would think we'd see more of it, not just in the dense student areas. Thanks, -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session I'm curious if any Cisco users out there are experiencing or have experienced what we're seeing on our campus. This past summer we installed 3502i's in all of our residence halls - approximately 500 total

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Craig Eyre
, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. Vincent T. Lombardi From: Dan Brisson dbris...@uvm.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: 02/01/2012 07:11 AM Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Jeff Kell
How large are your wireless subnets? Are you doing any broadcast/multicast limiting? You might also check for laptop loops -- anything with wired and wireless interfaces with both of them connected at the same time. Just takes one kid with ICS or Bridging turned on... Jeff **

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Garry Peirce
Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:09 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Good to know

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
of will. Vincent T. Lombardi From: Dan Brissondbris...@uvm.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: 02/01/2012 07:11 AM Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Craig Eyre
of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will. Vincent T. Lombardi From: Dan Brisson dbris...@uvm.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: 02/01/2012 07:29 AM Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:09 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Good to know. The trunks are actually all 10Gig links, or 90% of them are, so utilization is most likely not the case, which I'm able

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Mike Goebel
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:09 AM To:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Good to know. The trunks are actually all 10Gig links, or 90% of them are, so utilization is most

Re: WIRELESS-LAN - Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Earl Barfield
Date:Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:29:57 -0500 From:Dan Brissondbris...@uvm.edu Subject: Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session I'm curious if any Cisco users out there are experiencing or have experienced what we're seeing on our campus. This past summer we installed 3502i's in all of our residence

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Good to know. The trunks are actually all 10Gig links, or 90% of them are, so utilization is most likely not the case, which I'm able to verify from Cacti graphs. The APs are connected to 3560Xs PoE switches that then uplink into either a 3560E-12D

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
Ok, thanks for validating. It also seemed a bit strange to me and yes, I checked a bunch APs that haven't dropped recently and they all showed 10-12ms. One thing that occurred to me is we are doing DHCP snooping and Dynamic Arp Inspection on the 3560Xs. That is

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Ian McDonald
Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: 01 February 2012 16:35 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Ok, thanks for validating. It also seemed a bit strange to me and yes, I checked a bunch APs

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Craig Eyre
AM Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU This what we see on the AP at the time the AP disjoins: *Feb 1 14:16:25.174: %DTLS-5-SEND_ALERT: Send FATAL

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Mike King
Ooooh... DAI? I have some bad experiences with DAI and some crappy low end printers. (to the point where they go in they're own VLAN without DAI) (And some very expensive video conferencing units) My switch vendor also had a bug with DAI (over 2 years ago now) that got resolved pretty quickly

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dan Brisson
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:09 AM To:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Good to know. The trunks are actually all 10Gig links, or 90% of them are, so utilization is most likely not the case

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Dennis Xu
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Good question. Turns out the APs use UTC time, which appears to be correct: AP#sh clock *17:29:03.737 UTC Wed Feb 1 2012 -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 2/1/2012 12:11 PM, Craig Eyre

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-02-01 Thread Lee H Badman
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dennis Xu Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:58 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Dan, Do you have the APs in public subnets or private subnets? Occasionally we see this problem happening in our

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Mike Goebel
How big are your subnets the APs reside on, and how is your latency from the controllers to the APs? I know the APs are latency sensitive. Mike On 1/31/2012 8:44 AM, Scott Smith wrote: We installed around 700 over the summer in our residence halls as well. I've seen the same issue. However

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Ian McDonald
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Back in the bad old 4.0 code days (4 + years ago), I hit a bug when more than 25 people associated to an access point, it would spontaneously reboot. See if you can see a correlation in WCS, look for number of associations, number of rouge

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Dan Brisson
Our AP subnets are /24s and latency appears to be under 1ms, which is what I would expect as everything is fiber connected. Thanks! -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 1/31/12 8:46 AM, Mike Goebel wrote: How big are your subnets the

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Dan Brisson
Initially I thought the APs were actually rebooting, but that turns out not to be the case. The uptime for an AP that experiences this is always in the range of days if not weeks. It appears to just be the CAPWAP session that stalls out. I have tried some correlation with WCS but still

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread PAVLINIK, ALEKSEIV
of these random drop outs. -AJ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:33 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Watters, John
-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session Hope this helps a few who might be experiencing this. I had the same issue where the uptime for an AP would be a few weeks but the CAPWAP session would only be a few hours. This occurred when we had heavy load

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
Are the AP's getting their IP addresses from a DHCP server, and if so, do IP renewals at all correlate to the AP dropping the CAPWAP session? Jeff On Tuesday, January 31, 2012 at 5:29 AM, in message 4f27ecd5.6070...@uvm.edu, Dan Brisson dbris...@uvm.edu wrote: I'm curious if any Cisco

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session

2012-01-31 Thread Garry Peirce
Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:30 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco APs losing CAPWAP session I'm curious if any Cisco users out there are experiencing or have