RE: Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)
What are you calling a Device Net? We have an open SSID with a custom captive portal using the ClearPass eTIPS API. We use this SSID for onboarding to 802.1X with Cloudpath XpressConnect Wizard, registering a non-8012.1X device Endpoint in ClearPass (with AirGroup device registration for

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Johnson, Neil M
Here is my first pass at requirements: 1. The service must prevent or discourage devices that ARE capable of using 802.1x authentication from using the service. 2. The service should provide some sort of traceability of devices back to their owners. 3. The service must provide

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Lee H Badman
Where it gets interesting- broadcast and single class C required. But- this is a great summary of requirements. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler
Just to turn this on it’s ear a bit... Why not go back to an open network for student devices, with the same EULA as they’d get be it at a Starbucks, McDonalds, hotel, or convention center? Why are we (my self included) so hell bent on student devices connecting via WPA-Ent and all the

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Danny Eaton
Just to turn this on it’s ear a bit... Why not go back to an open network for student devices, with the same EULA as they’d get be it at a Starbucks, McDonalds, hotel, or convention center? Why are we (my self included) so hell bent on student devices connecting via WPA-Ent and all the

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Frans Panken
Jeff, Jeffrey D. Sessler schreef op 04/09/15 om 20:55: > Just to turn this on it’s ear a bit... > > Why not go back to an open network for student devices, with the same EULA as > they’d get be it at a Starbucks, McDonalds, hotel, or convention center? Why > are we (my self included) so hell

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Williams, Matthew
Jeff, Without knowing who is behind the device, how do you handle copyright issues? Respectfully, Matthew Williams Manager, Network and Telecommunications Services Kent State University Office: (330) 672-7246 Mobile: (330) 469-0445 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Lee H Badman
Good questions, and many of us are contemplating the same questions and issues. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003   f 315.443.4325   e lhbad...@syr.edu w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Second call- Survey for "those other devices" on residential Wi-Fi

2015-09-04 Thread Lee H Badman
Meaning you built it to be used for those devices and provide help when they don’t work on Wi-Fi. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of T. Shayne Ghere Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 3:26 PM To:

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
The difference between us and a McDonalds or Starbucks is that we are the student's residence. They can't as easily just wait or go elsewhere in order to do things that really should not be done on an open wifi connection. Additionally, this is the first encounter with the issue for many

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler
Frans, Why do you care who’s behind the device? If you were to treat student wireless in the same regard as Starbucks treats a device connecting to theirs, what possible policies would you be concerned with? If you could block the device and be done with it, what else do you want to do?

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Frank Sweetser
This sounds almost exactly like what we're planning on doing in a major wireless auth overhaul this upcoming year! Anything you have on how your system works that you could share would be greatly appreciated. thanks! Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu| For every problem, there is a solution

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler
Is the student’s “residence” in this case any different than a VP who travels and uses hotel WiFi, the hotel being their residence most of the time? Are we asking the student to do something we wouldn’t require of the VP in the hotel? This is why something like Areohive’s PPSK (private

Second call- Survey for "those other devices" on residential Wi-Fi

2015-09-04 Thread Lee H Badman
So far, almost 150 replies- thanks everyone. Great input. Survey link is here: https://www.quicksurveys.com/s/Wc92H I know it's not constructed perfectly, but it's really revealing a lot about what we all do, and don't do, for oddball devices in our residential spaces. For those OUTSIDE OF THE

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey

2015-09-04 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler
Frans, Starbucks and other will never implement 802.1x as long as it’s cumbersome to onboard a customer. I know from the management of our own WPA-Ent WiFi, devices today still have esoteric issues with it, and it’s only because of tools like XpressConnect that we get 98% of devices working