Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

Hello,

I know that there are many Cisco wireless networks on this list and I wanted to 
see if anyone is using the Small Cell Solution with their existing Cisco 
wireless network.  Here at the Charleston Area Medical Center, we are an 
Extreme shop and have been happy with it for years, but increasing cellular 
issues and outright refusal of wireless carriers to participate in a DAS has 
let us few choices.

One partial solution was discussed on the list, a couple of weeks ago under the 
topic of Wi-Fi Calling.  This is another approach which is possibly replace our 
existing wireless network with a combined Wi-Fi/Cellular system.  I am asking 
the list if anyone is currently running such a solution and how it works for 
them, both the good and the bad.

I will summarize for the list if respondents want to remand anonymous, but I am 
looking to try to get some honest feedback on what will probably be a difficult 
install.  Even if it works perfectly, none of my network management solutions 
and purchase/service agreements will work and it would all be brand new.  Brand 
new is not a show-stopper but it is also not trivial either.

Todd



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Desktop projection to classroom display

[Ronald Loneker]

Good Morning -

I think someone mentioned a Creston product but not by name.

We are just starting to deploy Creston AirMedia on campus in several
rooms/labs.  Wireless connection works easily for our faculty/staff
wireless security group - we've had to add our student group to the access
point(s) in the classroom to permit them to connect to the AirMedia due to
the way our network is set up.  This spring will be a good test because
we'll have classes actively using the rooms.  It does work with iPads and
iPhones (iPhones are more limited in terms of what they can do - haven't
tested the iPad fully yet).

I've seen YouTube video being played through the AirMedia and it's not
bad.  I'm not sure if I'd play a DVD in a laptop wirelessly connecting to
the AirMedia - that might be too overpowering.  Firmware upgrades are being
promised to bring it up to 30 fps video.

Ron Loneker, Jr.
Director of Media Services
College of Saint Elizabeth
Mahoney Library
2 Convent Road
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Phone:  973-290-4229

FAX:  973-290-4246

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Ashfield, Matt (NBCC) <
matt.ashfi...@nbcc.ca> wrote:

> Good Morning
>
>
>
> Like I’m sure most of you have experienced, we are dealing with technology
> like AppleTVs and Chromecasts showing up in our classrooms and being asked
> to “make it work”. Obviously we run into the roadblocks of those devices
> not fitting into our network well, or working with certain OS’s, not to
> mention security implications.
>
>
>
> We’d like to try and standardize on a technology so we can manage it
> (ha!). I’m just wondering if anyone has solved this one yet?  We’ve looked
> briefly at AirParrot but wondering if anyone else has had any luck in this
> area.
>
>
>
> Any info/advice is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Matt
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Lawson Cassels]

In talking with some of the cell carriers and a big 
cabling/infrastructure company in our area, it appears that DAS is dead. 
They are doing cellular relay systems now that work with repeaters to 
extend coverage from the roof into the core of a building, but the 
carriers don't seem really excited about that either. They are willing 
to go along with it, since it requires little on their part other than 
certifying your design. Minimum cost is probably around $15-20K and goes 
up as you want to cover larger areas within your building. Works with 
all carriers and all frequency bands since it's just re-broadcasting the 
spectrum.


I think WiFi calling is probably where this is headed though, with some 
of the lower quality carriers already enabling this "feature" to offload 
traffic from their networks. I'd focus your time on having an excellent 
WiFi network with the type of coverage needed for flawless roaming 
between APs.


Lawson Cassels
Network Engineer
Infrastructure, Operations, and Networking
Illinois State University
p: 309-438-4318

On 11/17/2015 10:49 AM, Jeremy Gibbs wrote:
I believe WiFi calling will be the future and these "small cell" 
systems will be phased out.  I know a network engineer at AT and 
they are really pushing the WiFi calling for these situations.





On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Smith, Todd > wrote:


Hello,

I know that there are many Cisco wireless networks on this list
and I wanted to see if anyone is using the Small Cell Solution
with their existing Cisco wireless network.  Here at the
Charleston Area Medical Center, we are an Extreme shop and have
been happy with it for years, but increasing cellular issues and
outright refusal of wireless carriers to participate in a DAS has
let us few choices.

One partial solution was discussed on the list, a couple of weeks
ago under the topic of Wi-Fi Calling.  This is another approach
which is possibly replace our existing wireless network with a
combined Wi-Fi/Cellular system.  I am asking the list if anyone is
currently running such a solution and how it works for them, both
the good and the bad.

I will summarize for the list if respondents want to remand
anonymous, but I am looking to try to get some honest feedback on
what will probably be a difficult install.  Even if it works
perfectly, none of my network management solutions and
purchase/service agreements will work and it would all be brand
new.  Brand new is not a show-stopper but it is also not trivial
either.

Todd



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Jeremy Gibbs]

I believe WiFi calling will be the future and these "small cell" systems
will be phased out.  I know a network engineer at AT and they are really
pushing the WiFi calling for these situations.




On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Smith, Todd  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know that there are many Cisco wireless networks on this list and I
> wanted to see if anyone is using the Small Cell Solution with their
> existing Cisco wireless network.  Here at the Charleston Area Medical
> Center, we are an Extreme shop and have been happy with it for years, but
> increasing cellular issues and outright refusal of wireless carriers to
> participate in a DAS has let us few choices.
>
> One partial solution was discussed on the list, a couple of weeks ago
> under the topic of Wi-Fi Calling.  This is another approach which is
> possibly replace our existing wireless network with a combined
> Wi-Fi/Cellular system.  I am asking the list if anyone is currently running
> such a solution and how it works for them, both the good and the bad.
>
> I will summarize for the list if respondents want to remand anonymous, but
> I am looking to try to get some honest feedback on what will probably be a
> difficult install.  Even if it works perfectly, none of my network
> management solutions and purchase/service agreements will work and it would
> all be brand new.  Brand new is not a show-stopper but it is also not
> trivial either.
>
> Todd
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Andrew Gallo]

I'd agree.  TMo has been doing voice over WiFi for a while, AT just 
started, and VZ just filed a petition with the FCC.


One thing to watch out for with the small cell is what radio 
technologies are being supplied.  If I'm not mistaken the Cisco small 
cell will provide 4G for Verizon, not 3G, which means you get data only, 
no voice.  There is the option for VoLTE, but that isn't widely deployed 
yet.





On 11/17/2015 11:49 AM, Jeremy Gibbs wrote:

I believe WiFi calling will be the future and these "small cell" systems
will be phased out.  I know a network engineer at AT and they are really
pushing the WiFi calling for these situations.




On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Smith, Todd  wrote:


Hello,

I know that there are many Cisco wireless networks on this list and I
wanted to see if anyone is using the Small Cell Solution with their
existing Cisco wireless network.  Here at the Charleston Area Medical
Center, we are an Extreme shop and have been happy with it for years, but
increasing cellular issues and outright refusal of wireless carriers to
participate in a DAS has let us few choices.

One partial solution was discussed on the list, a couple of weeks ago
under the topic of Wi-Fi Calling.  This is another approach which is
possibly replace our existing wireless network with a combined
Wi-Fi/Cellular system.  I am asking the list if anyone is currently running
such a solution and how it works for them, both the good and the bad.

I will summarize for the list if respondents want to remand anonymous, but
I am looking to try to get some honest feedback on what will probably be a
difficult install.  Even if it works perfectly, none of my network
management solutions and purchase/service agreements will work and it would
all be brand new.  Brand new is not a show-stopper but it is also not
trivial either.

Todd



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Frans Panken]

I agree with Jeremy. For an operator, small cell may mean WiFi or usage
of high frequencies (e.g., LTE on 2,6Ghz band) in densed city areas.
WiFi calling is not restricted to the iphone6 that has it build-in (does
not require an app but only 5% of the perople own one); it is also
offered by apps (e.g. SpectrumMax) that allow  users to be reached by
their phone number while they are connected to WiFi. They probably
target prepaid users. The challenge is battery. If these apps demand
WiFi to be active all the time to be reachable, the day may end earlier
than the battery of your phone lasts.
-Frans

Op 17/11/15 om 17:49 schreef Jeremy Gibbs:
> I believe WiFi calling will be the future and these "small cell"
> systems will be phased out.  I know a network engineer at AT and
> they are really pushing the WiFi calling for these situations.  
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Smith, Todd  > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I know that there are many Cisco wireless networks on this list
> and I wanted to see if anyone is using the Small Cell Solution
> with their existing Cisco wireless network.  Here at the
> Charleston Area Medical Center, we are an Extreme shop and have
> been happy with it for years, but increasing cellular issues and
> outright refusal of wireless carriers to participate in a DAS has
> let us few choices.
>
> One partial solution was discussed on the list, a couple of weeks
> ago under the topic of Wi-Fi Calling.  This is another approach
> which is possibly replace our existing wireless network with a
> combined Wi-Fi/Cellular system.  I am asking the list if anyone is
> currently running such a solution and how it works for them, both
> the good and the bad.
>
> I will summarize for the list if respondents want to remand
> anonymous, but I am looking to try to get some honest feedback on
> what will probably be a difficult install.  Even if it works
> perfectly, none of my network management solutions and
> purchase/service agreements will work and it would all be brand
> new.  Brand new is not a show-stopper but it is also not trivial
> either.
>
> Todd
>
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Hunter Fuller]

For what it's worth - my Nexus 4's battery life *improved* with Wi-Fi
turned on. I assume this was due to reduced activity on the HSDPA radio.


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Frans Panken 
wrote:

> I agree with Jeremy. For an operator, small cell may mean WiFi or usage of
> high frequencies (e.g., LTE on 2,6Ghz band) in densed city areas. WiFi
> calling is not restricted to the iphone6 that has it build-in (does not
> require an app but only 5% of the perople own one); it is also offered by
> apps (e.g. SpectrumMax) that allow  users to be reached by their phone
> number while they are connected to WiFi. They probably target prepaid
> users. The challenge is battery. If these apps demand WiFi to be active all
> the time to be reachable, the day may end earlier than the battery of your
> phone lasts.
> -Frans
>
> Op 17/11/15 om 17:49 schreef Jeremy Gibbs:
>
> I believe WiFi calling will be the future and these "small cell" systems
> will be phased out.  I know a network engineer at AT and they are really
> pushing the WiFi calling for these situations.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Smith, Todd  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I know that there are many Cisco wireless networks on this list and I
>> wanted to see if anyone is using the Small Cell Solution with their
>> existing Cisco wireless network.  Here at the Charleston Area Medical
>> Center, we are an Extreme shop and have been happy with it for years, but
>> increasing cellular issues and outright refusal of wireless carriers to
>> participate in a DAS has let us few choices.
>>
>> One partial solution was discussed on the list, a couple of weeks ago
>> under the topic of Wi-Fi Calling.  This is another approach which is
>> possibly replace our existing wireless network with a combined
>> Wi-Fi/Cellular system.  I am asking the list if anyone is currently running
>> such a solution and how it works for them, both the good and the bad.
>>
>> I will summarize for the list if respondents want to remand anonymous,
>> but I am looking to try to get some honest feedback on what will probably
>> be a difficult install.  Even if it works perfectly, none of my network
>> management solutions and purchase/service agreements will work and it would
>> all be brand new.  Brand new is not a show-stopper but it is also not
>> trivial either.
>>
>> Todd
>>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

Certainly that is the future, which is still some time down the road.  AT 
supports 4 iPhone models only for Wi-Fi calling and Verizon has currently none 
approved for Wi-Fi calling.  In West Virginia, T-Mobile has zero spectrum 
licenses and roams to AT and while Sprint has been doing Wi-Fi for a while 
but it has limited coverage here.

I believe that I need 3G/4G LTE coverage in my buildings since Wi-Fi calling 
will take years to reach the majority of my users and guests.

Todd

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

I believe WiFi calling will be the future and these "small cell" systems will 
be phased out.  I know a network engineer at AT and they are really pushing 
the WiFi calling for these situations.


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

Thanks Andrew,

This is exactly the type of information that I thought might be out there on 
the list.  I am trying to gather information to build the best plan possible 
based on the requirements and equipment capabilities.

Todd

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

I'd agree.  TMo has been doing voice over WiFi for a while, AT just 
started, and VZ just filed a petition with the FCC.

One thing to watch out for with the small cell is what radio 
technologies are being supplied.  If I'm not mistaken the Cisco small 
cell will provide 4G for Verizon, not 3G, which means you get data only, 
no voice.  There is the option for VoLTE, but that isn't widely deployed 
yet.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

That is nice since my Nexus 4 needs all of the help it can get on battery life. 
 The fact that I shamelessly use all of the sensors and have multiple 
background apps collecting data probably doesn’t help any ☺

Todd

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For what it's worth - my Nexus 4's battery life *improved* with Wi-Fi turned 
on. I assume this was due to reduced activity on the HSDPA radio.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

[Smith, Todd]

Here the relays do not work very well since it requires both the available 
signal to amplify and leak into the building and carrier participation.  I 
really believe that small cell technology is the answer for the foreseeable 
future since to properly handle Wi-Fi calling requires a voice-grade Wi-Fi 
network and plenty of internet bandwidth.  Obviously small cells do require 
internet bandwidth or leased lines back to carrier but still I don’t have to 
optimize my Wi-Fi for every single issue that a phone might bring.  My Wi-Fi 
network was designed for data not voice and it will take a redesign and a large 
amount of additional access points to put off voice-grade specs.

Todd





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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Small Cell Solution

In talking with some of the cell carriers and a big cabling/infrastructure 
company in our area, it appears that DAS is dead. They are doing cellular relay 
systems now that work with repeaters to extend coverage from the roof into the 
core of a building, but the carriers don't seem really excited about that 
either. They are willing to go along with it, since it requires little on their 
part other than certifying your design. Minimum cost is probably around $15-20K 
and goes up as you want to cover larger areas within your building. Works with 
all carriers and all frequency bands since it's just re-broadcasting the 
spectrum.

I think WiFi calling is probably where this is headed though, with some of the 
lower quality carriers already enabling this "feature" to offload traffic from 
their networks. I'd focus your time on having an excellent WiFi network with 
the type of coverage needed for flawless roaming between APs.


Lawson Cassels

Network Engineer

Infrastructure, Operations, and Networking

Illinois State University

p: 309-438-4318

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