Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

[Turner, Ryan H]

LOL autocorrect.   No, I won't tinkle about Nyansa. I will talk about them :)

Ryan Turner
Manager of Network Operations, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On Feb 21, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Turner, Ryan H 
> wrote:

Sorry I wasn't able to attend. If anyone wants tinkle about our positive 
experience with Nyanja, my contact details are below.

Ryan Turner
Manager of Network Operations, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Johnston, Ryan 
> wrote:

Thanks Chuck.  Some folks from DePaul University plan to hop on the call also.


Ryan

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:27 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

Good Morning,

The Nyansa conference call will be on Tuesday, 2/21, from 3:00om to 4:00pm 
Easter Time.  The bridge number is +1 (712) 770-4700, Access Code 846605.

Thanks,

Chuck

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:29 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

Sorry folks, but yesterday go away from me. Against all odds, I got a girl to 
marry me, so I have to do something on Valentine’s day to keep her around.

I don’t think there are a lot of days left to do this in the near future.  The 
remainder of this week will be short notice, and a lot of you will be traveling 
for WLPC staring next Wednesday, so I’m only offering times for next Monday and 
Tuesday.  Please respond to the doodle poll at the link below by the end of the 
day tomorrow, 2/16.  The most widely accepted time slot will win.  The bridge 
details appear on the poll page, but I’ll also send them to the list along with 
the winning time slot.  The call will be recorded, so anybody who can’t make it 
live can listen to it later.

Thanks,

Chuck

http://doodle.com/poll/6dvnufgaqb4q9yuy
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Rodolfo Nunez]

We have to SSID:
Barnard Secure
Barnard Guest

I think they are self explanatory but I could be wrong. I like the idea of
just using eduroam (instead of secure) but I don't see that "trending".

Rodolfo

-- 
Rodolfo Nunez
Director, IT Infrastructure
Barnard College, Columbia University
212-854-1319
rnu...@barnard.edu
www.barnard.edu/bcit

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Philippe Hanset 
wrote:

> I plead guilty.
>
> When I was at University of Tennessee, we turned eduroam on (back in
> 2005-06) and did very little to inform the community.
> Classic Technologists believing that the service was so awesome that users
> would look into this formidable extra SSID with this beautiful self
> explanatory name. Yeah right!
> Many years later we informed the community (news, email etc,,,), and very
> few people joined it anyway. Most of them were confused between UT-WPA2 and
> eduroam.
>
> This summer UTK reduced their SSIDs to just two (big Bravo to the IT
> group): UT-Open (MAC address Auth and Guests) and eduroam. There is little
> need to advertise eduroam or explain why there are two secure SSIDs.
> It just works, users are enabled for millions of Access-Points in one
> setup. Most of the filtering for local users VS visitors is done via
> domains and VLANs.
>
> As Jonathan pointed out: ask you users.
>
> Philippe
>
>
> Philippe Hanset, CEO
> www.anyroam.net
> www.eduroam.us
> +1 (865) 236-0770 <(865)%20236-0770>
>
> GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Jonathan Waldrep  > wrote:
>
> 1. eduroam: primary wireless network
> 2. VirginiaTech: captive portal / mac auth for everything else:
> - Guest (sponsored and self sponsored)
> - web auth for affiliates
> - registered devices that don't do .1x
> - onboarding to eduroam
>
> We decided that a 2 SSIDs setup was the clearest approach. You can
> communicate far more in a web page (captive portal) than in an SSID. Also,
> if all choices are a correct one, then users are more likely to choose a
> correct choice.
>
> Because of the many roles of the secondary network, it was better to
> communicate who was providing the network rather than the role of the
> network.
>
> Regardless of what you or your governance bodies think is a good SSID, ask
> your users. Send out a survey with a list of possible networks and ask them
> which one they would be most likely to choose, which one they most easily
> associate with the institution, and which one they trust the most. We did
> this, and the answer was clear.
>
> --
> Jonathan Waldrep
> Network Engineer
> Network Infrastructure and Services
> Virginia Tech
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero  wrote:
>
>>
>>   These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our
>> residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but
>> we don't currently.
>>
>> TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access
>> levels (staff, student, guest)
>> TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
>> eduroam Guest like access for anyone
>>
>>   Adam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
>>
>> eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
>> UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
>> UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices,
>> as allowed by policy)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael Dickson
>> Network Analyst
>> Information Technology
>> University of Massachusetts Amherst
>> 413-545-9639
>> michael.dick...@umass.edu
>> PGP: 0x16777D39
>>
>>
>> On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
>> > Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
>> > consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
>> > to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
>> > maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
>> > our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
>> > well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
>> > network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
>> > MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
>> > with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
>> > role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
>> > (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
>> > the SSIDs in their environment?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> >
>> > Jim Stasik
>> >
>> > Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>> >
>> > Montgomery County Community College
>> >
>> > jsta...@mc3.edu
>> >
>> > 215.641.6678
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Jeremy Mooney]

We have two across campus:
eduroam
  General use, access by group:
Some temporary ITS exceptions to special VLANs
Current faculty/staff/students to general access VLANs
Other local (alumni, applicants) and roaming users to guest network VLAN
Bethel-Guest
  Open, Captive portal or MAC registration
Portal offers self-service guest or login
  Self-service guest option asks for legal-requested info and drops to
guest network VLAN
  Login pushes eduroam setup or registration, but then drops to guest
network VLAN (logout in a day)
Registration allows anyone with an account to set up devices to
automatically go to guest network VLAN

The guest network has similar access to campus resources as one would have
coming from the general Internet (no access to things that assume a trusted
network), and also has speed caps. Those are enough for a HD video call or
FHD video streaming. We did not want to pretend a widely shared PSK
reasonably protected data, and just encourage non-802.1x-capable devices to
use the open network.

We also have another PSK AV SSID in few locations which drops to the local
closet's L2 AV network for those staff to manage their equipment (not
known/used by presenters/general public).


On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Jim Stasik  wrote:

> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider
> renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the
> function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a
> little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so
> have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One
> is named Public and is our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our
> authenticated/secure network which we call MC3Waves and is for all
> students, staff, faculty and administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to
> steer the end user to the appropriate role.  We have had these network
> around for as long as I can remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how
> others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their environment?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jim Stasik
>
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>
> Montgomery County Community College
>
> jsta...@mc3.edu
>
> 215.641.6678 <(215)%20641-6678>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Montgomery County Community College is proud to be designated as an
> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student access and
> success.
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/
> discuss.
>
>


-- 
Jeremy Mooney
ITS - Bethel University

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

[Turner, Ryan H]

Sorry I wasn't able to attend. If anyone wants tinkle about our positive 
experience with Nyanja, my contact details are below.

Ryan Turner
Manager of Network Operations, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Johnston, Ryan 
> wrote:

Thanks Chuck.  Some folks from DePaul University plan to hop on the call also.


Ryan

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:27 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

Good Morning,

The Nyansa conference call will be on Tuesday, 2/21, from 3:00om to 4:00pm 
Easter Time.  The bridge number is +1 (712) 770-4700, Access Code 846605.

Thanks,

Chuck

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:29 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

Sorry folks, but yesterday go away from me. Against all odds, I got a girl to 
marry me, so I have to do something on Valentine’s day to keep her around.

I don’t think there are a lot of days left to do this in the near future.  The 
remainder of this week will be short notice, and a lot of you will be traveling 
for WLPC staring next Wednesday, so I’m only offering times for next Monday and 
Tuesday.  Please respond to the doodle poll at the link below by the end of the 
day tomorrow, 2/16.  The most widely accepted time slot will win.  The bridge 
details appear on the poll page, but I’ll also send them to the list along with 
the winning time slot.  The call will be recorded, so anybody who can’t make it 
live can listen to it later.

Thanks,

Chuck

http://doodle.com/poll/6dvnufgaqb4q9yuy
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Philippe Hanset]

I plead guilty.

When I was at University of Tennessee, we turned eduroam on (back in 2005-06) 
and did very little to inform the community.
Classic Technologists believing that the service was so awesome that users 
would look into this formidable extra SSID with this beautiful self explanatory 
name. Yeah right!
Many years later we informed the community (news, email etc,,,), and very few 
people joined it anyway. Most of them were confused between UT-WPA2 and eduroam.

This summer UTK reduced their SSIDs to just two (big Bravo to the IT group): 
UT-Open (MAC address Auth and Guests) and eduroam. There is little need to 
advertise eduroam or explain why there are two secure SSIDs.
It just works, users are enabled for millions of Access-Points in one setup. 
Most of the filtering for local users VS visitors is done via domains and VLANs.

As Jonathan pointed out: ask you users. 

Philippe


Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770

GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C






> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Jonathan Waldrep  wrote:
> 
> 1. eduroam: primary wireless network
> 2. VirginiaTech: captive portal / mac auth for everything else:
> - Guest (sponsored and self sponsored)
> - web auth for affiliates
> - registered devices that don't do .1x
> - onboarding to eduroam
> 
> We decided that a 2 SSIDs setup was the clearest approach. You can 
> communicate far more in a web page (captive portal) than in an SSID. Also, if 
> all choices are a correct one, then users are more likely to choose a correct 
> choice.
> 
> Because of the many roles of the secondary network, it was better to 
> communicate who was providing the network rather than the role of the network.
> 
> Regardless of what you or your governance bodies think is a good SSID, ask 
> your users. Send out a survey with a list of possible networks and ask them 
> which one they would be most likely to choose, which one they most easily 
> associate with the institution, and which one they trust the most. We did 
> this, and the answer was clear.
> 
> --
> Jonathan Waldrep
> Network Engineer
> Network Infrastructure and Services
> Virginia Tech
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero  > wrote:
> 
>   These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our 
> residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but 
> we don't currently.
> 
> TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels 
> (staff, student, guest)
> TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
> eduroam Guest like access for anyone
> 
>   Adam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
> 
> eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
> UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
> UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as 
> allowed by policy)
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael Dickson
> Network Analyst
> Information Technology
> University of Massachusetts Amherst
> 413-545-9639 
> michael.dick...@umass.edu 
> PGP: 0x16777D39
> 
> 
> On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> > Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
> > consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
> > to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
> > maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
> > our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
> > well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
> > network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
> > MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
> > with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
> > role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
> > (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
> > the SSIDs in their environment?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Jim Stasik
> >
> > Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
> >
> > Montgomery County Community College
> >
> > jsta...@mc3.edu 
> >
> > 215.641.6678 
> >
> > -
> >
> > Montgomery County Community College is proud to be designated as an
> > Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student
> > access and success.
> >  ** Participation and subscription information for this
> > EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
> > http://www.educause.edu/discuss .
> 
> 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Norman Mourtada]

At Suffolk University, we have 3 SSIDs as follows:


1.   SU_Staff – faculty and staff – 802.1x

2.   SU_Student – students - 802.1x

3.   SU_Guest – captive portal

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Early Yu
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

At NC State University, we have 3 primary networks:
NCSU - Staff, Students, Faculty
NCSU-Guest - Guest network, locked down to http/https/vpn
Eduroam
Regards,

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Jim Stasik 
> wrote:
Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider 
renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the function 
of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a little too close 
to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so have just two primary 
SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is 
our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network 
which we call MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and 
administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the 
appropriate role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can 
remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
the SSIDs in their environment?

Thanks in advance,

Jim Stasik
Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
Montgomery County Community College
jsta...@mc3.edu
215.641.6678





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the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student access and success.
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--
Early Yu
Senior Network Engineer
Communication Technologies
NC State University
919.515.2390
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Jonathan Waldrep]

1. eduroam: primary wireless network
2. VirginiaTech: captive portal / mac auth for everything else:
- Guest (sponsored and self sponsored)
- web auth for affiliates
- registered devices that don't do .1x
- onboarding to eduroam

We decided that a 2 SSIDs setup was the clearest approach. You can
communicate far more in a web page (captive portal) than in an SSID. Also,
if all choices are a correct one, then users are more likely to choose a
correct choice.

Because of the many roles of the secondary network, it was better to
communicate who was providing the network rather than the role of the
network.

Regardless of what you or your governance bodies think is a good SSID, ask
your users. Send out a survey with a list of possible networks and ask them
which one they would be most likely to choose, which one they most easily
associate with the institution, and which one they trust the most. We did
this, and the answer was clear.

--
Jonathan Waldrep
Network Engineer
Network Infrastructure and Services
Virginia Tech

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Adam T Ferrero  wrote:

>
>   These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our
> residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but
> we don't currently.
>
> TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access
> levels (staff, student, guest)
> TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
> eduroam Guest like access for anyone
>
>   Adam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names
>
> eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
> UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
> UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices,
> as allowed by policy)
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Dickson
> Network Analyst
> Information Technology
> University of Massachusetts Amherst
> 413-545-9639
> michael.dick...@umass.edu
> PGP: 0x16777D39
>
>
> On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> > Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
> > consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
> > to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
> > maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on
> > our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as
> > well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
> > network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
> > MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
> > with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
> > role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
> > (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
> > the SSIDs in their environment?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Jim Stasik
> >
> > Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
> >
> > Montgomery County Community College
> >
> > jsta...@mc3.edu
> >
> > 215.641.6678
> >
> > -
> >
> > Montgomery County Community College is proud to be designated as an
> > Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student
> > access and success.
> >  ** Participation and subscription information for this
> > EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
> > http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
>
> **
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Adam T Ferrero]

  These have served us pretty well.  We only have a mac auth SSID in our 
residence halls.  Occasionally it would be useful to have it everywhere but we 
don't currently.

TUsecurewirelessWPA2 enterprise which gives different access levels 
(staff, student, guest)
TUguestwireless Open for onboarding (SMS text credentials)
eduroam Guest like access for anyone

  Adam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Dickson
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:02 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable devices, as 
allowed by policy)

Mike

Michael Dickson
Network Analyst
Information Technology
University of Massachusetts Amherst
413-545-9639
michael.dick...@umass.edu
PGP: 0x16777D39


On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:
> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to 
> consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names 
> to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but 
> maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on 
> our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as 
> well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest 
> network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call 
> MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators, 
> with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate 
> role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
> (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
> the SSIDs in their environment?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Jim Stasik
> 
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
> 
> Montgomery County Community College
> 
> jsta...@mc3.edu
> 
> 215.641.6678
> 
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> 
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> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student 
> access and success.
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Watters, John]

From the University of Alabama:

UA-WPA2 General faculty/Staff/Student use - WPA2 Enterprise
UA-WPA-PSK  Special for game consoles & stuff that can’t do WPA2 
Enterprise - WPA PSK
UA-Help Info on using UA-WPA2 - open
UA-AthleticsSpecial for UA Athletics - WPA PSK moving to WPA2 
Enterprise within a month
UA-Athletics-Media  Special for UA Athletics - WPA2 Enterprise
UA-WPA2-OIT Hidden SSID for Office of Info Tech use only - WPA2 
Enterprise
eduroam


The only ones shown in all areas of campus are:

UA-WPA2
UA-WPA-PSK
UA-Help
eduroam

 Plus the hidden UA-WPA2-OIT


We have considered making eduroam our only SSID, but just can’t get away for 
some non-eduroam stuff.

We have nothing for the general public off the street. But, we couldn't handle 
the 150K+ folks who descend on campus for football games in addition to the 50K 
faculty/staff/students we always have.



John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu
[The University of Alabama]

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Stasik
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:36 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider 
renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the function 
of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a little too close 
to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so have just two primary 
SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is 
our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network 
which we call MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and 
administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the 
appropriate role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can 
remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
the SSIDs in their environment?

Thanks in advance,

Jim Stasik
Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
Montgomery County Community College
jsta...@mc3.edu
215.641.6678





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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Michael Dickson]

eduroam  (our only 802.1x offering)
UMASS  (open, CP, primarily for guests)
UMASS-DEVICES  (MAC auth'd device support for non-802.1x capable 
devices, as allowed by policy)


Mike

Michael Dickson
Network Analyst
Information Technology
University of Massachusetts Amherst
413-545-9639
michael.dick...@umass.edu
PGP: 0x16777D39


On 2017-02-21 15:36, Jim Stasik wrote:

Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to
consider renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names
to the function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but
maybe I am a little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential
on our campuses so have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus
(as well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is our onboarding/guest
network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network which we call
MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and administrators,
with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the appropriate
role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can remember
(15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating
the SSIDs in their environment?

Thanks in advance,

Jim Stasik

Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services

Montgomery County Community College

jsta...@mc3.edu

215.641.6678

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Nyansa Conference Call - No recording available

[Chuck Enfield]

Hi Everybody,

 

Thanks again for your participation in the conference call this afternoon.
I thought I would be writing now with instructions for accessing the
recording, but instead I'm writing to apologize.  I know a few people
couldn't make the call and were counting on a recording, and I'm sorry I
messed it up.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chuck


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Julian Y Koh]

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 14:45, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)  wrote:
> 
> Have you considered using eduroam as your primary 802.1X SSID?

Yep, it’s been talked about, and we know that a number of schools are doing 
this quite successfully.  Not highest on the priority list though at this point 
in time.

-- 
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key: 


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Danny Eaton]

Cisco shop - WiSM2's in HA cluster (for now) with a range of APs from 1252, 
1142, 3502, 702, 3702, 3802.
Rice Visitor - active captive portal
Rice Owls - 802.1X users (staff/student/faculty)
eduroam - for Rice users, or other university users
bcm-wifi - For Baylor College of Medicine users in leased space (based on the 
AP groups)

We're testing in limited area (based on AP groups)
Rice IoT - WPA2 PSK network for testing some IoT devices
Rice Owls 5 GHz - limited area for testing to see if clients that can do 5 GHz 
are better off with a "separate" SSID


-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:43 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 14:36, Jim Stasik  wrote:
> 
>  I am curious how others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their 
> environment? 

Northwestern - 802.1X authenticated/encrypted Guest-Northwestern - Public guest 
access eduroam - self-explanatory Device-Northwestern - MAC registration for 
devices that can’t do 802.1X authentication

--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern 
Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site:  PGP Public Key: 



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Early Yu]

At NC State University, we have 3 primary networks:

NCSU - Staff, Students, Faculty
NCSU-Guest - Guest network, locked down to http/https/vpn
Eduroam

Regards,

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Jim Stasik  wrote:

> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider
> renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the
> function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a
> little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so
> have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One
> is named Public and is our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our
> authenticated/secure network which we call MC3Waves and is for all
> students, staff, faculty and administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to
> steer the end user to the appropriate role.  We have had these network
> around for as long as I can remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how
> others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their environment?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jim Stasik
>
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>
> Montgomery County Community College
>
> jsta...@mc3.edu
>
> 215.641.6678 <(215)%20641-6678>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student access and
> success.
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>


-- 
Early Yu
Senior Network Engineer
Communication Technologies
NC State University
919.515.2390

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Hunter Fuller]

Our upcoming onboarding SSID is "UAH Get Connected" and our 802.1X is
"eduroam".

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 14:36 Jim Stasik  wrote:

> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider
> renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the
> function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a
> little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so
> have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One
> is named Public and is our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our
> authenticated/secure network which we call MC3Waves and is for all
> students, staff, faculty and administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to
> steer the end user to the appropriate role.  We have had these network
> around for as long as I can remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how
> others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their environment?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jim Stasik
>
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>
> Montgomery County Community College
>
> jsta...@mc3.edu
>
> 215.641.6678
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student access and
> success.
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--
Hunter Fuller
Network Engineer
VBRH Annex B-1
+1 256 824 5331

Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Systems and Infrastructure

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)]

Have you considered using eduroam as your primary 802.1X SSID?

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 15:43
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 14:36, Jim Stasik  wrote:
>
>  I am curious how others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their 
> environment?

Northwestern - 802.1X authenticated/encrypted Guest-Northwestern - Public guest 
access eduroam - self-explanatory Device-Northwestern - MAC registration for 
devices that can’t do 802.1X authentication

--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern 
Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site:  PGP Public Key: 



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Julian Y Koh]

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 14:36, Jim Stasik  wrote:
> 
>  I am curious how others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their 
> environment? 

Northwestern - 802.1X authenticated/encrypted
Guest-Northwestern - Public guest access
eduroam - self-explanatory
Device-Northwestern - MAC registration for devices that can’t do 802.1X 
authentication

-- 
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key: 


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[WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Jim Stasik]

Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider 
renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the function 
of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a little too close 
to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so have just two primary 
SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is 
our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network 
which we call MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and 
administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the 
appropriate role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can 
remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
the SSIDs in their environment?

Thanks in advance,

Jim Stasik
Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
Montgomery County Community College
jsta...@mc3.edu
215.641.6678





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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Samuel Clements]

As the only ambassador for many of your users to provide any indication of
what they should click on, I'm a huge fan of being as descriptive as
possible with as few characters as possible. Having said that, I had a very
large distributed retail environment one time tell me they wanted to rename
their guest SSID to 'Free Public Wi-Fi'. For a great historical perspective
why that was a bad idea, check out:
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20101011/03194311357/the-history-of-the-fake-free-public-wifi-you-always-see-at-airports.shtml

  -Sam

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Jim Stasik  wrote:

> Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider
> renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the
> function of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a
> little too close to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so
> have just two primary SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One
> is named Public and is our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our
> authenticated/secure network which we call MC3Waves and is for all
> students, staff, faculty and administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to
> steer the end user to the appropriate role.  We have had these network
> around for as long as I can remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how
> others are naming and separating the SSIDs in their environment?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jim Stasik
>
> Director of Enterprise Infrastructure Services
>
> Montgomery County Community College
>
> jsta...@mc3.edu
>
> 215.641.6678 <(215)%20641-6678>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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> Achieving the Dream Leader College for its commitment to student access and
> success.
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>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

[Johnston, Ryan]

Thanks Chuck.  Some folks from DePaul University plan to hop on the call also.


Ryan

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:27 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

Good Morning,

The Nyansa conference call will be on Tuesday, 2/21, from 3:00om to 4:00pm 
Easter Time.  The bridge number is +1 (712) 770-4700, Access Code 846605.

Thanks,

Chuck

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:29 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

Sorry folks, but yesterday go away from me. Against all odds, I got a girl to 
marry me, so I have to do something on Valentine's day to keep her around.

I don't think there are a lot of days left to do this in the near future.  The 
remainder of this week will be short notice, and a lot of you will be traveling 
for WLPC staring next Wednesday, so I'm only offering times for next Monday and 
Tuesday.  Please respond to the doodle poll at the link below by the end of the 
day tomorrow, 2/16.  The most widely accepted time slot will win.  The bridge 
details appear on the poll page, but I'll also send them to the list along with 
the winning time slot.  The call will be recorded, so anybody who can't make it 
live can listen to it later.

Thanks,

Chuck

http://doodle.com/poll/6dvnufgaqb4q9yuy
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

[Chuck Enfield]

Shouldn't be a problem.

 

From: Johnston, Ryan [mailto:ryan.johns...@depaul.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:23 PM
To: Chuck Enfield ; WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

 

Thanks Chuck.  Some folks from DePaul University plan to hop on the call
also.

 

 

Ryan

 

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:27 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

 

Good Morning,

 

The Nyansa conference call will be on Tuesday, 2/21, from 3:00om to 4:00pm
Easter Time.  The bridge number is +1 (712) 770-4700, Access Code 846605.

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

 

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:29 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Conference Call Poll

 

Sorry folks, but yesterday go away from me. Against all odds, I got a girl
to marry me, so I have to do something on Valentine's day to keep her
around.

 

I don't think there are a lot of days left to do this in the near future.
The remainder of this week will be short notice, and a lot of you will be
traveling for WLPC staring next Wednesday, so I'm only offering times for
next Monday and Tuesday.  Please respond to the doodle poll at the link
below by the end of the day tomorrow, 2/16.  The most widely accepted time
slot will win.  The bridge details appear on the poll page, but I'll also
send them to the list along with the winning time slot.  The call will be
recorded, so anybody who can't make it live can listen to it later.

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

 

http://doodle.com/poll/6dvnufgaqb4q9yuy

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

I’d counter that the most demanding area for WiFi is in residential areas. It’s 
the exact type of deployment where the advanced enterprise features are often 
desired. For example, technologies such as Cisco’s CleanAir is a huge plus when 
diagnosing, maintaining, and/or assessing the service in a residential area. 
From Xbox’s with defective controller interfaces to leaking microwave ovens, 
the visibility makes a huge difference in the quality of the service.

Even in an AP in every room deployment, one doesn’t escape the RF challenges 
unless each room is a faraday cage. Invest more in the hardware, get a superior 
experience, and staff spend more time on service use vs service problems.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:47 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Sorry for the comment spam. I think my ideal is for someone like Aruba, Cisco, 
etc to have lower cost options that can be mixed in with the better APs.  I 
want those for the high capacity locations like classrooms, etc and the lower 
cost options for low usage areas, better density for dorms, etc.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[ttp://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Thomas et al.,

For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all the 
drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.
http://benu.net/solutions/

It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
managed offering.
(I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
never tested)

Has anyone on the list investigated this system?

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770



On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter 
> wrote:

Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
wireless.
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):

Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
Wireless was not changed?

Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

As Philippe notes, and I’ll expand on, selecting prior generation hardware 
makes little sense when considering life-cycle. Unless it’s installed and code 
is never updated (you are frozen in time), you’ll hit EOL (and end of support) 
far faster than when starting with current generation. Purchase a .11ac wave 2 
today and you’ll have at least six years of support. Purchase .11n, you’ll be 
lucky to get half of that.

Oh, and as a college who is running 802.11ac wave 2 gear (including multigig), 
there is absolutely a huge client performance difference between this hardware, 
our Wave 1 11.ac hardware, and for sure our 802.11n stuff.  Compared to our 
Wave 1 deployments, we’re seeing up to a 10-30x increase in peak client data 
rates and overall bandwidth is also way up. Similar building, similar AP 
placement, only the technology has changed.

Jeff


From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of GT Hill 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:08 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

I’m sure I’m probably going against the grain here, but if I had to choose, I’d 
buy used 11n APs from an enterprise manufacturer before I’d go 11ac from a 
“cheaper” manufacturer. Number one, virtually any environment you have will be 
served just fine with 11n.

And to further make my point, the difference between 11ac and 11n for a dorm in 
wall AP is virtually nothing. Max of 2x2:2, no one should be using 80 or 160 
MHz channels (11ac) and MU-MIMO (11ac) basically doesn’t exist in 2x2:2 so 11ac 
(wave 1 or wave 2) features are basically nonexistent or useless in this 
environment.

If I had budget and could afford 11ac, sure, its the way to go. But if I’m on a 
budget, used or discount enterprise 11n hardware will give you great 
performance.

And one more thing; there is absolutely a major difference in performance 
between a true enterprise manufacturer and an entry level system. In my 
previous life I ran the team that’s entire job was to test gear to see what the 
limits of APs really were. The more that cheaper gear is pushed (client count, 
data transfer, etc.) the more they would fail under those loads.

GT

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:47 AM
To: 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Sorry for the comment spam. I think my ideal is for someone like Aruba, Cisco, 
etc to have lower cost options that can be mixed in with the better APs.  I 
want those for the high capacity locations like classrooms, etc and the lower 
cost options for low usage areas, better density for dorms, etc.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[ttp://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:21 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Thomas et al.,

For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all the 
drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.
http://benu.net/solutions/

It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
managed offering.
(I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
never tested)

Has anyone on the list investigated this system?

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770



On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter 
> wrote:

Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
wireless.
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
To: 

RE: In room WIFI - second example

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

That is what we do with Aruba Aps. They have a mixture of higher feature & 
lower feature models.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Thomas Carter [mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: In room WIFI - second example

Sorry for the comment spam. I think my ideal is for someone like Aruba, Cisco, 
etc to have lower cost options that can be mixed in with the better APs.  I 
want those for the high capacity locations like classrooms, etc and the lower 
cost options for low usage areas, better density for dorms, etc.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:21 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Thomas et al.,

For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all the 
drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.
http://benu.net/solutions/

It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
managed offering.
(I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
never tested)

Has anyone on the list investigated this system?

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770



On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter 
> wrote:

Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
wireless.
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):

Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
Wireless was not changed?

Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than Ubiquiti.

One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time gaining 
many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of even a 
single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a whole lot 
of additional wireless hardware.

Jeff

From: 

RE: In room WIFI - second example

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

What we do (and have done when our replacement AP budget was eliminated) was 
this. Our group provides our best service and documents problems in the areas 
where the budget was cut.

When the students complain loud enough, the budget money suddenly appears.

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Thomas Carter [mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: In room WIFI - second example

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than Ubiquiti.

One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time gaining 
many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of even a 
single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a whole lot 
of additional wireless hardware.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

I’m not questioning the cost, just the available options. I feel like I 
sometimes want to tow a 15’ travel trailer and my options from the established 
vendors are a Peterbuilt, Mack, and Freightligner at 4x the cost of an F-150 
that is adequate to the task. Because of that, there are a lot of small 
schools, businesses, etc, that are now turning to Ubiquiti, Open Mesh, 
Mikrotik, etc for their good-enough.

I do believe you get what you pay for, but there are limits on what you can 
afford. Here’s the story of a friend; a campus of APs between 5-10 years old. 
Over the next 5 years he could only get the budget to replace only ½ of them 
with a Cisco/Aruba/Ruckus/etc. Over the next 3 years, he could replace all of 
them with Ubiquiti. What choice do you make?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[ttp://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:44 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

On the cost of devices.

Some enterprise vendor solutions may be nothing more than the same 
off-the-shelf design that the consumer models use, including using the same 
radio code.  When there are radio code issues, the vendor goes back to 
Broadcom, Marvell, or Qualcomm for a fix. Other enterprise vendors go as far as 
to license the radio source code, where you get unique features not otherwise 
available with off-the-shelf designs.

That said, the enterprise WAP vendor does write the code that does all the rest 
of the magic in the WAP e.g. interface, controller connectivity, and so on. In 
general, the cost you are paying for the enterprise WAPs involves a lot more 
than just the 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Philippe Hanset]

I completely agree with the 802.11n approach.
With this approach though, be mindful of the EOL (End Of Life).
That same software that makes that hardware so awesome is also the ultimate 
control mechanism.

Philippe

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 11:08 AM, GT Hill  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure I’m probably going against the grain here, but if I had to choose, 
> I’d buy used 11n APs from an enterprise manufacturer before I’d go 11ac from 
> a “cheaper” manufacturer. Number one, virtually any environment you have will 
> be served just fine with 11n. 
> 
> And to further make my point, the difference between 11ac and 11n for a dorm 
> in wall AP is virtually nothing. Max of 2x2:2, no one should be using 80 or 
> 160 MHz channels (11ac) and MU-MIMO (11ac) basically doesn’t exist in 2x2:2 
> so 11ac (wave 1 or wave 2) features are basically nonexistent or useless in 
> this environment. 
> 
> If I had budget and could afford 11ac, sure, its the way to go. But if I’m on 
> a budget, used or discount enterprise 11n hardware will give you great 
> performance. 
> 
> And one more thing; there is absolutely a major difference in performance 
> between a true enterprise manufacturer and an entry level system. In my 
> previous life I ran the team that’s entire job was to test gear to see what 
> the limits of APs really were. The more that cheaper gear is pushed (client 
> count, data transfer, etc.) the more they would fail under those loads. 
> 
> GT
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>  > on behalf of Thomas Carter 
> >
> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>  >
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:47 AM
> To:  >
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
> 
> Sorry for the comment spam. I think my ideal is for someone like Aruba, 
> Cisco, etc to have lower cost options that can be mixed in with the better 
> APs.  I want those for the high capacity locations like classrooms, etc and 
> the lower cost options for low usage areas, better density for dorms, etc.
>  
> Thomas Carter
> Network & Operations Manager / IT
> Austin College
> 900 North Grand Avenue 
> Sherman, TX 75090
> Phone: 903-813-2564
> www.austincollege.edu 
> 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:21 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
>  
> Thomas et al.,
>  
> For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all 
> the drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.
> http://benu.net/solutions/ 
>  
> It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
> managed offering.
> (I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
> never tested)
>  
> Has anyone on the list investigated this system?
>  
> Philippe
>  
> Philippe Hanset, CEO
> www.anyroam.net 
> www.eduroam.us 
> +1 (865) 236-0770
>  
>  
>  
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter  > wrote:
>  
> Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
> wireless.
> Thomas Carter
> Network & Operations Manager / IT
> Austin College
> 900 North Grand Avenue 
> Sherman, TX 75090
> Phone: 903-813-2564
> www.austincollege.edu 
> 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
>  
> A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):
>  
> Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
> Wireless was not changed?
>  
> Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[GT Hill]

I’m sure I’m probably going against the grain here, but if I had to choose, I’d 
buy used 11n APs from an enterprise manufacturer before I’d go 11ac from a 
“cheaper” manufacturer. Number one, virtually any environment you have will be 
served just fine with 11n. 

And to further make my point, the difference between 11ac and 11n for a dorm in 
wall AP is virtually nothing. Max of 2x2:2, no one should be using 80 or 160 
MHz channels (11ac) and MU-MIMO (11ac) basically doesn’t exist in 2x2:2 so 11ac 
(wave 1 or wave 2) features are basically nonexistent or useless in this 
environment. 

If I had budget and could afford 11ac, sure, its the way to go. But if I’m on a 
budget, used or discount enterprise 11n hardware will give you great 
performance. 

And one more thing; there is absolutely a major difference in performance 
between a true enterprise manufacturer and an entry level system. In my 
previous life I ran the team that’s entire job was to test gear to see what the 
limits of APs really were. The more that cheaper gear is pushed (client count, 
data transfer, etc.) the more they would fail under those loads. 

GT

From:  The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Thomas Carter 

Reply-To:  The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date:  Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:47 AM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Sorry for the comment spam. I think my ideal is for someone like Aruba, Cisco, 
etc to have lower cost options that can be mixed in with the better APs.  I 
want those for the high capacity locations like classrooms, etc and the lower 
cost options for low usage areas, better density for dorms, etc.

 

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT

Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue 
Sherman, TX 75090

Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

 

Thomas et al.,

 

For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all the 
drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.

http://benu.net/solutions/

 

It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
managed offering.

(I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
never tested)

 

Has anyone on the list investigated this system?

 

Philippe

 

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770

 

 

 

On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter  wrote:

 

Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
wireless.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT

Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue 
Sherman, TX 75090

Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu



 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

 

A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):

 

Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
Wireless was not changed?

 

Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.

 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

 

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

 

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do? 

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT

Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue 
Sherman, TX 75090

Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu



 

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

 

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Thomas Carter]

Sorry for the comment spam. I think my ideal is for someone like Aruba, Cisco, 
etc to have lower cost options that can be mixed in with the better APs.  I 
want those for the high capacity locations like classrooms, etc and the lower 
cost options for low usage areas, better density for dorms, etc.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

Thomas et al.,

For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all the 
drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.
http://benu.net/solutions/

It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
managed offering.
(I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
never tested)

Has anyone on the list investigated this system?

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770



On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter 
> wrote:

Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
wireless.
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):

Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
Wireless was not changed?

Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than Ubiquiti.

One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time gaining 
many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of even a 
single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a whole lot 
of additional wireless hardware.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM
To: 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Hunter Fuller]

I imagine they are happy because they continue to pay for the connection
from the other ISP.

I also imagine they are happy because I stayed in those same dorms in
2010-2012, had a connection from Knology, and ran my own AP. Worked fine
for me. I'm sure there were a bunch of people in Network Services cursing
me... the same ones I work with now. (Maybe they're still cursing me, for
different reasons. Who knows.)

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 06:39 Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) <
bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote:

> 1are they really happy or do they know they have nobody to blame but
> themselves for poor choices?
>
>
>
> Just another thought.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Osborne*
>
> *Senior Network Engineer*
>
> *Network Operations - Wireless*
>
>
>
>  *(434) 592-4229*
>
>
>
> *LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*
>
> *Training Champions for Christ since 1971*
>
>
>
> *From:* Hunter Fuller [mailto:hf0...@uah.edu]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 1:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: In room WIFI - second example
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> I have had this mindset for a long time, but I've been questioning it
> recently.
>
> Due to a political situation I won't bother going into, our dorm residents
> are able to purchase internet connections from wideopenwest or Comcast.
> They set up their own APs and some of our dorms are rogue nightmares. We've
> made a heavy push to 5GHz to combat this.
>
>
>
> But it made me wonder... what is up with this? These students set up the
> cheapest APs they can find at Best Buy, blasting at 10 watts of power
> on 2GHz, right next to 3 other students doing the same thing. All students
> are happy with their comcast connection and wireless performance. Meanwhile
> UAH invests thousands upon thousands into enterprise wireless and it simply
> cannot operate under those conditions...?
>
> It just makes me wonder, is all...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 07:06 Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) <
> bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote:
>
> My first thought is this.
>
> Are these boxes centrally managed? It appears you are using WPA2-Personal.
> If so, it would be a pain to need to revisit each box every year to change
> the PSK.
> How is channel coordination happening to minimize interference?
> How will you handle misbehaving devices DOSing the network while
> minimizing the impact to roommates?
> How are you steering clients to use 5GHz for better performance?
>
> There are reasons there are Enterprise wireless systems with enterprise
> encryption options.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Blaisdell [mailto:mblaisd...@francis.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:52 PM
> Subject: In room WIFI - second example
>
> I had posted to the group a few months ago about WAPs in each dorm room.
> I received a number of comments that were very insightful.  Most agreed
> that channel plan in the 2.4 would be next to impossible and the best plan
> would be to turn off maybe every other radio and turn back the power. As
> for 5.8 I believe we agreed that channel width should be a minimum because
> we are not going for speed, we are going to coverage.
>
> I am back at the table with another twist.  I have been testing Microtik
> HAP AC lite boxes with 4 10/100 ports and both 2.4 and 5.8 radios.  I also
> have the box setup as a router for their room.  I think we can call it a
> DAN.  Dorm Area Network.  The students in the room share a common DHCP
> server and have NAT access to the campus LAN.  This allows the students to
> add devices in their rooms as they need to without affecting the network.
> The HAP also has two way firewall config so I can block all the ports and
> services I would normally but I can do it at the end point.  I guess the
> dorms are running like an individual household and I am the ISP.
>
> Each room has a unique SSID and authentication.
>
> This is just a test in a few locations at this point but it has worked
> great.
>
> I am looking for feedback like last time.   Please feel free to cut hard
> and deep if necessary.  Security issues could be my biggest issues.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Michael Blaisdell
> Director of Network Services
> IT Services
> Learning Commons/Library
> Saint Francis University
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Philippe Hanset]

Thomas et al.,

For people looking for creative/more affordable systems (not discussing all the 
drawbacks etc ;-), you could also look at Benu Networks.
http://benu.net/solutions/ 

It seems to be based on White Label APs with Open Source code and centrally 
managed offering.
(I met their CTO at a conference and it seemed pretty interesting, but I have 
never tested)

Has anyone on the list investigated this system?

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net 
www.eduroam.us 
+1 (865) 236-0770



> On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Thomas Carter  wrote:
> 
> Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
> wireless.
> Thomas Carter
> Network & Operations Manager / IT
> Austin College
> 900 North Grand Avenue 
> Sherman, TX 75090
> Phone: 903-813-2564
> www.austincollege.edu 
> 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
>  
> A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):
>  
> Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
> Wireless was not changed?
>  
> Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
>  
> In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no 
> way that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
> concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive 
> wouldn’t be there.
>  
> I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
> assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
> not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. 
> What would you do? 
> Thomas Carter
> Network & Operations Manager / IT
> Austin College
> 900 North Grand Avenue 
> Sherman, TX 75090
> Phone: 903-813-2564
> www.austincollege.edu 
> 
> 
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
>  
> In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
> players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
> much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than 
> Ubiquiti.
>  
> One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
> perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
> don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time 
> gaining many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of 
> even a single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a 
> whole lot of additional wireless hardware.
>  
> Jeff 
>  
> From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  > on behalf of Thomas Carter 
> >
> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  >
> Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM
> To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
> " 
>  >
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example
>  
> I’m not questioning the cost, just the available options. I feel like I 
> sometimes want to tow a 15’ travel trailer and my options from the 
> established vendors are a Peterbuilt, Mack, and Freightligner at 4x the cost 
> of an F-150 that is adequate to the 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Thomas Carter]

Yes, or in some cases, no budget cuts but increased requirements/demands for 
wireless.
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:53 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):

Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
Wireless was not changed?

Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than Ubiquiti.

One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time gaining 
many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of even a 
single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a whole lot 
of additional wireless hardware.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

I’m not questioning the cost, just the available options. I feel like I 
sometimes want to tow a 15’ travel trailer and my options from the established 
vendors are a Peterbuilt, Mack, and Freightligner at 4x the cost of an F-150 
that is adequate to the task. Because of that, there are a lot of small 
schools, businesses, etc, that are now turning to Ubiquiti, Open Mesh, 
Mikrotik, etc for their good-enough.

I do believe you get what you pay for, but there are limits on what you can 
afford. Here’s the story of a friend; a campus of APs between 5-10 years old. 
Over the next 5 years he could only get the budget to replace only ½ of them 
with a Cisco/Aruba/Ruckus/etc. Over the next 3 years, he could replace all of 
them with Ubiquiti. What choice do you make?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

Re: In room WIFI - second example

[Adam Logan]

In my past job, I spent almost 10 years working with literally thousands of 
MikroTik devices. My only concern with your plan to use the HAP AC Lite is that 
the 2.4ghz radio is dual chain, while the 5ghz is single chain. In a high 
density environment, that single chain may cause you issues depending on how 
much attenuation you get from walls on 5ghz. 

With the scripting available on the MikroTik devices, automating configuration 
is really easy, all it requires is a web server and a database. You have the 
MikroTik do a web call to the web server with its MAC address as a parameter, 
and you either return a config script that you customize based on the database, 
or return a set of variables from the database which the script parses and uses 
to configure itself. They have recently added TR-069 configuration as well. 

Also, with as flexible as the MikroTik devices are, you could actually 
broadcast a neutral SSID as well as a room specific SSID, having the neutral 
SSID go back to a core router, and having the MikroTik do a private network for 
the room specific SSID.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Thomas Carter]

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than Ubiquiti.

One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time gaining 
many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of even a 
single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a whole lot 
of additional wireless hardware.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

I’m not questioning the cost, just the available options. I feel like I 
sometimes want to tow a 15’ travel trailer and my options from the established 
vendors are a Peterbuilt, Mack, and Freightligner at 4x the cost of an F-150 
that is adequate to the task. Because of that, there are a lot of small 
schools, businesses, etc, that are now turning to Ubiquiti, Open Mesh, 
Mikrotik, etc for their good-enough.

I do believe you get what you pay for, but there are limits on what you can 
afford. Here’s the story of a friend; a campus of APs between 5-10 years old. 
Over the next 5 years he could only get the budget to replace only ½ of them 
with a Cisco/Aruba/Ruckus/etc. Over the next 3 years, he could replace all of 
them with Ubiquiti. What choice do you make?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[ttp://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:44 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

On the cost of devices.

Some enterprise vendor solutions may be nothing more than the same 
off-the-shelf design that the consumer models use, including using the same 
radio code.  When there are radio code issues, the vendor goes back to 
Broadcom, Marvell, or Qualcomm for a fix. Other enterprise vendors go as far as 
to license the radio source code, where you get unique features not otherwise 
available with off-the-shelf designs.

That said, the enterprise WAP vendor does write the code that does all the rest 
of the magic in the WAP e.g. interface, controller connectivity, and so on. In 
general, the cost you are paying for the enterprise WAPs involves a lot more 
than just the hardware cost with most of it in the value/development cost of 
the IP (software underpinning the system).

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 9:01 AM
To: 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Ian Lyons]

A better way to ask the question (perhaps?):

Your budget was cut in half but your requirements of installing/having AC 
Wireless was not changed?

Simple answer is something has to give.   I understand your pain.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:50 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the example I used below, there wasn’t an FTE to eliminate. There is no way 
that Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus can be cheaper, especially when TCO is 
concerned. That annual license/controller cost for Meraki and Aerohive wouldn’t 
be there.

I guess I’m not making my point well. It seems like most of the responses 
assume there is enough budget for a top tier solution and this is just about 
not spending all of it. Imagine your budget for wireless was cut in half. What 
would you do?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[http://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

In the k-12 space, Cisco Meraki, Aerohive, and Ruckus continue to be the big 
players even in small districts, with others, including Ubiquiti, not making 
much of a dent. Those solutions also tend to come in at or lower than Ubiquiti.

One of the drivers for solutions such as Meraki is that from management’s 
perspective, the cloud-based platform and extensive support channel means you 
don’t need all those expensive FTE’s to run it, while at the same time gaining 
many of the enterprise features you care most about. The reduction of even a 
single FTE costing say $100K per year including benefits purchases a whole lot 
of additional wireless hardware.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

I’m not questioning the cost, just the available options. I feel like I 
sometimes want to tow a 15’ travel trailer and my options from the established 
vendors are a Peterbuilt, Mack, and Freightligner at 4x the cost of an F-150 
that is adequate to the task. Because of that, there are a lot of small 
schools, businesses, etc, that are now turning to Ubiquiti, Open Mesh, 
Mikrotik, etc for their good-enough.

I do believe you get what you pay for, but there are limits on what you can 
afford. Here’s the story of a friend; a campus of APs between 5-10 years old. 
Over the next 5 years he could only get the budget to replace only ½ of them 
with a Cisco/Aruba/Ruckus/etc. Over the next 3 years, he could replace all of 
them with Ubiquiti. What choice do you make?
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
[ttp://www.austincollege.edu/images/AusColl_Logo_Email.gif]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:44 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

On the cost of devices.

Some enterprise vendor solutions may be nothing more than the same 
off-the-shelf design that the consumer models use, including using the same 
radio code.  When there are radio code issues, the vendor goes back to 
Broadcom, Marvell, or Qualcomm for 

RE: In room WIFI - second example

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

1are they really happy or do they know they have nobody to blame but themselves 
for poor choices?

Just another thought.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Hunter Fuller [mailto:hf0...@uah.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: In room WIFI - second example

Bruce,

I have had this mindset for a long time, but I've been questioning it recently.
Due to a political situation I won't bother going into, our dorm residents are 
able to purchase internet connections from wideopenwest or Comcast. They set up 
their own APs and some of our dorms are rogue nightmares. We've made a heavy 
push to 5GHz to combat this.

But it made me wonder... what is up with this? These students set up the 
cheapest APs they can find at Best Buy, blasting at 10 watts of power on 
2GHz, right next to 3 other students doing the same thing. All students are 
happy with their comcast connection and wireless performance. Meanwhile UAH 
invests thousands upon thousands into enterprise wireless and it simply cannot 
operate under those conditions...?
It just makes me wonder, is all...

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 07:06 Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
> wrote:
My first thought is this.

Are these boxes centrally managed? It appears you are using WPA2-Personal. If 
so, it would be a pain to need to revisit each box every year to change the PSK.
How is channel coordination happening to minimize interference?
How will you handle misbehaving devices DOSing the network while minimizing the 
impact to roommates?
How are you steering clients to use 5GHz for better performance?

There are reasons there are Enterprise wireless systems with enterprise 
encryption options.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Blaisdell 
[mailto:mblaisd...@francis.edu]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:52 PM
Subject: In room WIFI - second example

I had posted to the group a few months ago about WAPs in each dorm room.  I 
received a number of comments that were very insightful.  Most agreed that 
channel plan in the 2.4 would be next to impossible and the best plan would be 
to turn off maybe every other radio and turn back the power. As for 5.8 I 
believe we agreed that channel width should be a minimum because we are not 
going for speed, we are going to coverage.

I am back at the table with another twist.  I have been testing Microtik HAP AC 
lite boxes with 4 10/100 ports and both 2.4 and 5.8 radios.  I also have the 
box setup as a router for their room.  I think we can call it a DAN.  Dorm Area 
Network.  The students in the room share a common DHCP server and have NAT 
access to the campus LAN.  This allows the students to add devices in their 
rooms as they need to without affecting the network.  The HAP also has two way 
firewall config so I can block all the ports and services I would normally but 
I can do it at the end point.  I guess the dorms are running like an individual 
household and I am the ISP.

Each room has a unique SSID and authentication.

This is just a test in a few locations at this point but it has worked great.

I am looking for feedback like last time.   Please feel free to cut hard and 
deep if necessary.  Security issues could be my biggest issues.

Thanks



Michael Blaisdell
Director of Network Services
IT Services
Learning Commons/Library
Saint Francis University
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