Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall Rooms

[Greg Briggs]

We have had great results using the Extreme AP3912s.  You can get more than
one room with an AP.  I do plan with ekahau, but the below pattern emerges
a lot.

[AP][NO][NO][AP][NO][NO]
-Hallway---
[NO][NO][AP][NO][NO][AP]

Greg Briggs
Network Manager
Pacific Lutheran University

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 5:10 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) <
bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote:

> I sent Chris a wireless design presentation we made a couple of years ago.
>
>
>
> We also use the Aruba ASE RF Optimization and Deployment Models
> https://ase.arubanetworks.com/solutions/id/75
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Osborne*
>
> *Senior Network Engineer*
>
> *Network Operations - Wireless*
>
>  *(434) 592-4229 <(434)%20592-4229>*
>
> *LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*
>
> *Training Champions for Christ since 1971*
>
>
>
> *From:* Johnson, Christopher [mailto:cbjo...@ilstu.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall Rooms
>
>
>
> I was curious for those that based your deployments on *RSSI* if anyone
> had “minimum *SNR* requirements” for Residence Hall locations to help for
> those periods of time where there may be some source of momentary noise due
> to some devices that students may/will bring into their rooms?
>
>
>
> *Christopher Johnson*
>
> Wireless Network Engineer
>
> AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION)
>
> Illinois State University
>
> (309) 438-8444
>
> Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook
>  and Twitter
> 
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *Umut Arus
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:54 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall
> Rooms
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your replies. Love it. Great posts with so much valuable
> information.
>
>
>
> thanks.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Sweetser, Frank E  wrote:
>
> Speaking as yet another site that saw huge improvements going from
> in-hallway to in-room, there's another factor that hasn't been mentioned
> very much yet - the client side radio.  Even if you dump all kinds of
> special sauce on the AP, like Xirrus multi-sector or Ruckus Beamflex,
> you're still going to be dealing with the same low power, crappy antennas
> and radios in your clients.  That high end $2k AP may be able to push a
> signal through concrete, but your user with an iPhone 5 is still going to
> be out of luck.
>
>
>
> You're better off going with even a bottom end AP per room, or every other
> room, than high end ones in hallway.  Check out the hospitality models,
> like the Aruba 203H (or whichever vendor you use - most offer something
> comparable).  They typically feature a few wired ports powered off of the
> AP uplink, so if you already have active ports you can just re-use them
> rather than having to light up new ones in every room.
>
>
>
> Frank Sweetser
> Director of Network Operations
> Worcester Polytechnic Institute
> "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and
> wrong." - HL Mencken
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Norton, Thomas (Network
> Operations) 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall
> Rooms
>
>
>
> We run a large Aurba shop at liberty, and have been running an all
> wireless solution in our dorms for some time now which were very happy with.
>
>
>
> With that said every dorm environment is different, gathering
> requirements, predictive planning, and design are key especially when
> dealing with microcell deployments.
>
>
>
> I would really look into what your trying to accomplish with an ap in
> every room, it really depends on the environment, your functional
> requirements, bw needs, and what your trying to support/accomplish. You
> should also always follow up after the fact to validate your deployment,
> and tune the rf appropriately.
>
>
>
> I also highly advise against deploying access points in hallways due to
> multipath, LOS, and roaming issues it poses.
>
>
>
> Aruba has some really cool tools and VRDs to help assist you in planning
> your designs. I’ve listed few links for reference below.
>
>
>
> https://ase.arubanetworks.com
>
>
>
> http://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Validated-Reference-Design/
> tkb-p/Aruba-VRDs/page/2
>
>
>
>
>
> *T.J. Norton*
>
> *Wireless Network Architect*
>
> *Network Operations*
>
>
>
> *(434) 592-6552 <(434)%20592-6552> *
>
>
>
> *Liberty University  |  Training Champions for Christ since 1971*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Amel Caldwell]

No, we did not make the video available publically.  I am not sure the person 
who made the video would be comfortable with it being publicly available; I can 
ask him if there is interest or I can ask if I can send it to individuals.

Amel Caldwell
University of Washington UW-IT
Wi-Fi Network Engineer
Wi-Fi Service Manager

am...@uw.edu
206-543-2915

University of Washington has open positions for Wi-Fi Network Engineers on our 
Network Design and Architecture team.

https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147382=0==1
https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147172=0==1



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Floyd, Brad" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:29 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Amel,
I actually was referring to the JY706A AP-220-MNT-W3. In the 200 series APs, we 
have only purchased the 22X models for indoor use. I thought all of the 2XX 
indoor APs used the same mount and didn’t realize there is a JY705A, as well as 
a JY706A. Is the video you refer to publically available? If so, would you post 
the URL?
Thanks,
Brad

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Amel Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:08 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

I started to respond thinking you were referring to the AP-220-MNT-W3 and then 
I remembered that the 200 series uses their own.  We had a rough time when the 
AP-220-MNT-W3 came out and worked with Aruba to fix the slide mechanism and to 
get a usable patch cord with them.  One of our techs actually did a video of an 
installation and talked through the problems.  That made it to engineering and 
they sent us a prototype within a couple of weeks that worked much better and 
this is standard mount now.

I would recommend giving Aruba feedback and having your locals push it to 
engineering.  You might enjoy starring in a video for them too :)

Amel Caldwell
University of Washington UW-IT
Wi-Fi Network Engineer
Wi-Fi Service Manager

am...@uw.edu
206-543-2915

University of Washington has open positions for Wi-Fi Network Engineers on our 
Network Design and Architecture team.

https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147382=0==1
https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147172=0==1



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of "Floyd, Brad" >
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 2:55 PM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Thanks Mike! I’m most worried about having to disassemble the mount to mount 
it, followed by reassembling it after it’s mounted.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Floyd, Brad >
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Floyd, Brad]

Amel,
I actually was referring to the JY706A AP-220-MNT-W3. In the 200 series APs, we 
have only purchased the 22X models for indoor use. I thought all of the 2XX 
indoor APs used the same mount and didn’t realize there is a JY705A, as well as 
a JY706A. Is the video you refer to publically available? If so, would you post 
the URL?
Thanks,
Brad

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Amel Caldwell
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:08 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

I started to respond thinking you were referring to the AP-220-MNT-W3 and then 
I remembered that the 200 series uses their own.  We had a rough time when the 
AP-220-MNT-W3 came out and worked with Aruba to fix the slide mechanism and to 
get a usable patch cord with them.  One of our techs actually did a video of an 
installation and talked through the problems.  That made it to engineering and 
they sent us a prototype within a couple of weeks that worked much better and 
this is standard mount now.

I would recommend giving Aruba feedback and having your locals push it to 
engineering.  You might enjoy starring in a video for them too :)

Amel Caldwell
University of Washington UW-IT
Wi-Fi Network Engineer
Wi-Fi Service Manager

am...@uw.edu
206-543-2915

University of Washington has open positions for Wi-Fi Network Engineers on our 
Network Design and Architecture team.

https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147382=0==1
https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147172=0==1



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of "Floyd, Brad" >
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 2:55 PM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Thanks Mike! I’m most worried about having to disassemble the mount to mount 
it, followed by reassembling it after it’s mounted.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Floyd, Brad >
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Michael Cole]

I didn't have to dismantle it.  I did find the part you push in doesn't pop 
right out with the weaker springs and i had to play with it to get it out and 
secure.  I've mounted them to both gang boxes and box eliminators.

Mike

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: "Floyd, Brad" 
Date: 10/25/17 17:54 (GMT-05:00)
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Thanks Mike! I’m most worried about having to disassemble the mount to mount 
it, followed by reassembling it after it’s mounted.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Floyd, Brad >
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can’t assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you’d have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn’t be required with a 
single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don’t get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I’m thinking these are a none starter and we’ll 
look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Chuck Enfield]

FWIW, disassembly makes it sound more complicated than it is.  It comes as
two separate pieces, so it really only requires assembly.  And the ability
to rotate the mounting plate relative to the back box can be handy.  I
actually prefer the two-piece design.  There will be a little fumbling the
first time an installer uses one, but in the long run the cost difference
will be trivial.



Of greater concern to me is the depth for patch cabling.  We sometimes
used the deeper mounts without a back box.  The bend radius was on the
patch cord was too tight for standard compliance, but in practice it was
still serviceable.  The new mounts are too thin for a radiused bend in a
round cable – the cable must be kinked.  To address this Aruba provides a
Cat-6 coupler and flat patch cable.  The flat cable does handle the bend
nicely, but the parts are of dubious origin and I have concerns about
their quality and performance.  We’re currently planning an applications
where we have to use about 80 of these without back boxes.  I guess time
will tell whether or not my concerns are justified, but we have no good
alternative if we encounter performance issues.



Chuck



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Floyd, Brad
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:55 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A
AP-200-MNT-W3



Thanks Mike! I’m most worried about having to disassemble the mount to
mount it, followed by reassembling it after it’s mounted.



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A
AP-200-MNT-W3



I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white,
about 1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a
little different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can
get you a few pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike



  _

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
 > on behalf of Floyd, Brad
 >
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A
AP-200-MNT-W3



Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because
the W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like
the W2s did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion
with a product manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU

Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A
AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount
and until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would
typically use to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines
screws. These two pieces are held together by screws that thread into the
main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing
this slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The
second step would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP
mount body with four small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally
attaching the AP. Because the main AP mount body needs to be fastened down
first you can’t assemble it ahead of time. If the AP is overhead, you’d
have to fasten in the slide latch plate overhead with four fiddly little
screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so
that the AP release button might be more accessible after installation.
This is obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other
than that it complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn’t be
required with a single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don’t get them unless you need them or
your installers may hold a grudge. I’m thinking these are a none starter
and we’ll look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



Please note: Florida has very broad public records laws. Most written
communications to or from state/university employees and students are
public records and available to the public and media upon request. Your
e-mail communications may therefore be subject to public disclosure



** 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Amel Caldwell]

I started to respond thinking you were referring to the AP-220-MNT-W3 and then 
I remembered that the 200 series uses their own.  We had a rough time when the 
AP-220-MNT-W3 came out and worked with Aruba to fix the slide mechanism and to 
get a usable patch cord with them.  One of our techs actually did a video of an 
installation and talked through the problems.  That made it to engineering and 
they sent us a prototype within a couple of weeks that worked much better and 
this is standard mount now.

I would recommend giving Aruba feedback and having your locals push it to 
engineering.  You might enjoy starring in a video for them too :)

Amel Caldwell
University of Washington UW-IT
Wi-Fi Network Engineer
Wi-Fi Service Manager

am...@uw.edu
206-543-2915

University of Washington has open positions for Wi-Fi Network Engineers on our 
Network Design and Architecture team.

https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147382=0==1
https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile=147172=0==1



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Floyd, Brad" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 2:55 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Thanks Mike! I’m most worried about having to disassemble the mount to mount 
it, followed by reassembling it after it’s mounted.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Floyd, Brad >
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can’t assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you’d have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn’t be required with a 
single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don’t get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I’m thinking these are a none starter and we’ll 
look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



Please note: Florida has very broad public records laws. Most written 
communications to or from state/university employees and students are public 
records and available to the public and media upon 

RE: Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Floyd, Brad]

Thanks Mike! I'm most worried about having to disassemble the mount to mount 
it, followed by reassembling it after it's mounted.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.



Mike


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Floyd, Brad >
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We've started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it's removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can't assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you'd have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn't be required with a 
single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don't get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I'm thinking these are a none starter and we'll 
look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



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communications to or from state/university employees and students are public 
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Re: Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Michael Cole]

I have some of the w3 mounts.. they're very close to the w2s but white, about 
1/2 the depth, and not a rigid.  The mechanism that moves is a little 
different, and it's harder to push in the part that moves.  I can get you a few 
pic's tomorrow if that helps you our.


Mike



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Floyd, Brad 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:19 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3


Paul,

Do you have a way to share pictures? We’ve started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.

Thanks,

Brad



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3



Hi All,



I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.



The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it’s removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.



So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can’t assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you’d have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.



The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn’t be required with a 
single piece mount.



Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don’t get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I’m thinking these are a none starter and we’ll 
look at stocking another model.



Paul Reimer



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communications to or from state/university employees and students are public 
records and available to the public and media upon request. Your e-mail 
communications may therefore be subject to public disclosure



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RE: Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Floyd, Brad]

Paul,
Do you have a way to share pictures? We've started ordering these because the 
W2 mounts were discontinued and in the pictures, they look just like the W2s 
did. If they are this complex, we may need to have a discussion with a product 
manager.
Thanks,
Brad

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Reimer
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

Hi All,

I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.

The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it's removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.

So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can't assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you'd have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.

The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn't be required with a 
single piece mount.

Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don't get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I'm thinking these are a none starter and we'll 
look at stocking another model.

Paul Reimer

Please note: Florida has very broad public records laws. Most written 
communications to or from state/university employees and students are public 
records and available to the public and media upon request. Your e-mail 
communications may therefore be subject to public disclosure

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Particulars about Aruba bracket JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3

[Paul Reimer]

Hi All,

I wanted to share our first look at the JY705A AP-200-MNT-W3.

The slide latch is on a plate that comes out of the main body of the mount and 
until it's removed that plate obscures the screw holes we would typically use 
to attach the mount to the mud plates with two machines screws. These two 
pieces are held together by screws that thread into the main body of the mount.

So the first step of installation of this mount would require removing this 
slide latch plate to attach the main AP mount body to the box. The second step 
would be to fasten the slide latch plate into the main AP mount body with four 
small coarse thread plastic screws, then finally attaching the AP. Because the 
main AP mount body needs to be fastened down first you can't assemble it ahead 
of time. If the AP is overhead, you'd have to fasten in the slide latch plate 
overhead with four fiddly little screws.

The design does allow an installer to rotate the latch plate by 90° so that the 
AP release button might be more accessible after installation. This is 
obviously why they separated the latch plate and main body. Other than that it 
complicates the installation and adds steps that wouldn't be required with a 
single piece mount.

Probably more of a cautionary tale. Don't get them unless you need them or your 
installers may hold a grudge. I'm thinking these are a none starter and we'll 
look at stocking another model.

Paul Reimer

Please note: Florida has very broad public records laws. Most written 
communications to or from state/university employees and students are public 
records and available to the public and media upon request. Your e-mail 
communications may therefore be subject to public disclosure


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RE: Cisco Prime Switch Port Trace

[Manon Lessard]

Christina,

I don't really use this functionality but I read this sentence in the config 
guide for it which might shed some light on why a trunk is needed:

A rogue client connected to the rogue access point information is used to track 
the switch port to which the rogue access point is connected in the network.

If it's an access port, the client will not be seen...


Manon Lessard
Technicienne en développement de systèmes 
CCNP, CWNA, CWDP, CWAP
Direction des technologies de l'information 
Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
G1V 0A6, Canada
418 656-2131, poste 12853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca
www.dti.ulaval.ca
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-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Christina Klam
Sent: 25 octobre 2017 14:53
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco Prime Switch Port Trace

All,

I have been asked to prioritize rogue AP detection.  We already have Auto 
Switch Port Trace feature enabled, but I discovered today why it hasn't been 
working.  According to the Cisco documentation,  "Switch port 
configuration—Trunking switch ports must be correctly configured. Switch port 
security must be disabled."  So, as we have port-security enabled on all switch 
ports (so that we can control/monitor the personal switches on campus and 
ResNet), switch port trace is NOT working.   

My question to you guys is WHY is there this dependency?  My google-foo is 
coming up with no explanation.

Thank you,
Christina

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Cisco Prime Switch Port Trace

[Christina Klam]

All,

I have been asked to prioritize rogue AP detection.  We already have Auto 
Switch Port Trace feature enabled, but I discovered today why it hasn't been 
working.  According to the Cisco documentation,  "Switch port 
configuration—Trunking switch ports must be correctly configured. Switch port 
security must be disabled."  So, as we have port-security enabled on all switch 
ports (so that we can control/monitor the personal switches on campus and 
ResNet), switch port trace is NOT working.   

My question to you guys is WHY is there this dependency?  My google-foo is 
coming up with no explanation.

Thank you,
Christina

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi Calling and texting

[Hunter Fuller]

Yep, our juniper just sees this stuff as IPsec. It looks like it in
wireshark too. Hard to tell what it is until you see the destination IP is
T-Mo or whoever.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:17 Tim Tyler  wrote:

> Thomas,
>
>  I can’t point you to a specific document they have, but I can share my
> summary ticket with PaloAlto on the matter.   Tier one had no idea.  It
> took Tier two to inform me of the differences in their platforms.
> Ultimately, I created an ingress policy for ipsec-esp application-default.
> Below is  a copy and paste of the summary from PA:
>
>
>
> Comment:
> Hi TIm
>
> Here is a brief summary of the session that we had
>
> Issue
>
> Calling over wifi failing , the traffic works only when there is an
> explicit rule that allows the return traffic
>
> Troubleshooting
>
> We saw that the traffic was identified as ipsec-esp
> We were on a 5220 platform
> The 5200 series of firewalls has architecture that is similar to 7000
> series
> As discussed we were made aware of an issue with the ipsec traffic
> handling on the 7000 series firewall, after internal investigation it was
> noted that this was expected behavior on the platform as the offload
> processor needs to do initial flow lookup, with IP addresses and SPI in the
> packet as the key.
> The offload processor cannot distinguish PANOS terminated ESP/AH sessions
> vs. pass through. So PANOS has to create sessions with specific SPI values
> unlike other platforms adn hence the requirement for a policy to allow the
> return traffic
>
> Let me know if you have any further questions or concerns on this
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *McClintic, Thomas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:11 AM
>
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi
> Calling and texting
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Do you have anything with a link to this information from Palo Alto’s
> perspective? Ie. which protocols and such.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Tyler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:08 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi
> Calling and texting
>
>
>
> Vikki,
>
>   What are you using for a firewall?  We had to open up a couple ingress
> protocols after we upgraded our PA firewall.  These protocols need to talk
> to servers on the Internet. PA’s latest models will block the handshaking
> unless ingress is open.  We found this to be predominately true for Apple
> phones, but seldom for Androids.   It also depending on the service.  We
> have no complaints now.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Vikki Cutrone
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:40 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi
> Calling and texting
>
>
>
> We are running Eduroam as our SSID,  my Android phone can use eduroam to
> make WiFi calls or Texts, some users on campus, primary Apple devices
> cannot.  I was wondering if campuses are maintaining a best effort
> posture/policy  regarding BYOD's ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Yahya M. Jaber 
> wrote:
>
> Can you give us an example on the issues reported?, so I can understand
> your issue more.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahya Jaber.
> CCIE Wireless.
> 055-869-7555
> ITNC Engineering.
> KAUST.
>
>
>
> Sent from an Android
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2017 17:25, Vikki Cutrone  wrote:
>
> I am the Network Administrator at Vassar College and I was wondering what
> position  institutions were taking regarding support and troubleshooting of
> clients trying to use the wireless for wifi calling and wifi texting?  I am
> getting a large amount of requests for this service but with the multitude
> of  cell phones, operating systems and cell providers it is impossible to
> keep up.  Any input about your institution's policy or thoughts on a
> potential policy would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Vikki Cutrone
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Vassar College, Box 13
>
> 124 Raymond Ave
> 
>
> Poughkeepsie, NY 12604
> 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi Calling and texting

[Tim Tyler]

Thomas,

 I can’t point you to a specific document they have, but I can share my
summary ticket with PaloAlto on the matter.   Tier one had no idea.  It
took Tier two to inform me of the differences in their platforms.
Ultimately, I created an ingress policy for ipsec-esp application-default.
Below is  a copy and paste of the summary from PA:



Comment:
Hi TIm

Here is a brief summary of the session that we had

Issue

Calling over wifi failing , the traffic works only when there is an
explicit rule that allows the return traffic

Troubleshooting

We saw that the traffic was identified as ipsec-esp
We were on a 5220 platform
The 5200 series of firewalls has architecture that is similar to 7000
series
As discussed we were made aware of an issue with the ipsec traffic handling
on the 7000 series firewall, after internal investigation it was noted that
this was expected behavior on the platform as the offload processor needs
to do initial flow lookup, with IP addresses and SPI in the packet as the
key.
The offload processor cannot distinguish PANOS terminated ESP/AH sessions
vs. pass through. So PANOS has to create sessions with specific SPI values
unlike other platforms adn hence the requirement for a policy to allow the
return traffic

Let me know if you have any further questions or concerns on this



-


   Tim





*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *McClintic, Thomas
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:11 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi
Calling and texting



Tim,



Do you have anything with a link to this information from Palo Alto’s
perspective? Ie. which protocols and such.





*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
] *On Behalf Of *Tim Tyler
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:08 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi
Calling and texting



Vikki,

  What are you using for a firewall?  We had to open up a couple ingress
protocols after we upgraded our PA firewall.  These protocols need to talk
to servers on the Internet. PA’s latest models will block the handshaking
unless ingress is open.  We found this to be predominately true for Apple
phones, but seldom for Androids.   It also depending on the service.  We
have no complaints now.



Tim



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Vikki Cutrone
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:40 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi
Calling and texting



We are running Eduroam as our SSID,  my Android phone can use eduroam to
make WiFi calls or Texts, some users on campus, primary Apple devices
cannot.  I was wondering if campuses are maintaining a best effort
posture/policy  regarding BYOD's ?



Thanks



On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Yahya M. Jaber 
wrote:

Can you give us an example on the issues reported?, so I can understand
your issue more.





Yahya Jaber.
CCIE Wireless.
055-869-7555
ITNC Engineering.
KAUST.



Sent from an Android



On Oct 24, 2017 17:25, Vikki Cutrone  wrote:

I am the Network Administrator at Vassar College and I was wondering what
position  institutions were taking regarding support and troubleshooting of
clients trying to use the wireless for wifi calling and wifi texting?  I am
getting a large amount of requests for this service but with the multitude
of  cell phones, operating systems and cell providers it is impossible to
keep up.  Any input about your institution's policy or thoughts on a
potential policy would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you in advance!



-- 

Vikki Cutrone

Network Administrator

Vassar College, Box 13

124 Raymond Ave


Poughkeepsie, NY 12604

-0013



845-437-7231

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[WIRELESS-LAN] Up-coming EDUCAUSE Annual Conference reminders & Session Leader Opportunity

[Brian Helman]

Everyone:

This is the last message I'll be sending out before the Annual Conference next 
week.  Just to reiterate 2 things..

If you are planning on attending the conference and would like to co-lead the 
Wireless-LAN Session with Charles Rumford (UPenn), send me an email or give me 
a call.  My contact information is listed below or I'm easily tracked down.  
This isn't a formal presentation role.  Once the conversation starts, you'll be 
herding cats.

So, on that subject, if you are planning on attending the session, think about 
your top 3-5 issues that you'd like discussed.  We'll be parsing those 
subjects, running them through a high-tech sieve and opening the top 10 or so 
to the floor for discussion.  We have 90 minutes this year, so we should get 
through many topics.  The last 5-10 minutes will be spent allowing people to 
just state any issues they'd like to discuss further so others in the room can 
approach and discuss outside of the session.  Yeah, I'm crunched for time, so 
that's not worded the best...

Ok, and Tuesday evening - 7/7:30ish there will be a gathering at Fergie's Pub 
(1214 Sansom St).  We've done this the last few years and it's ranged from 4 to 
20 people.  I'll try to remember to wear a nametag to people can track me down.

Again, more information is in the thread below, so read on..

Brian

(xposting to NETMAN)

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Feedback

Everyone,

Two things:
One of the co-presenter/moderators for the Annual Conference Wireless-LAN 
Session on 11/2 had a change in travel plans and will be unable to attend the 
conference.  So, if you've ever wanted to stand up in front of a hundred or so 
of your peers and talk about wireless networking technology, your wish has been 
granted...

If you are planning on attending the conference, send me an email directly 
(bhelman - at - salemstate - dot - edu).  Rather than publishing the other 
people's emails on here, I'll forward any volunteer info to Mike Ferguson, Lee 
Badman and Charles Rumford (if you have their emails, feel free to cc: them).  
If we don't get any takers, you'll be subjected to me again!

Secondly:
I've had a couple recommendations for places to get together Tuesday evening.  
If anyone has any suggestions, also feel free to email me directly.  I'll send 
the final decision out early next week.  Right now I'm leaning toward Fergie's 
Pub - solely based on the photo of the indoor bocce court I saw.

Stay unKracked.

-Brian



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:01 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Up-coming EDUCAUSE Annual Conference reminders

Everyone:

Just a reminder that the 2017 EDUCAUSE Annual Conference is about a month away. 
 This is a great Education conference to check out a broad range of 
technologies, meet people you interact with on the listservs and get your 
questions answered.  This year's conference is in Philadelphia.

https://events.educause.edu/annual-conference

The Wireless-LAN session will be held at 8a (we don't make the schedule!) on 
11/2.  It's well worth the extra coffee needed to get there though.  This is 
your opportunity to meet Networking peers, make professional contacts, get your 
questions answers, maybe get your answers questioned and hopefully make some 
new friends.

The Network Management session will be held from 10:30a-noon on Wednesday 
(11/1).

In the next couple weeks I'll also send out an information for a non-sanctioned 
gathering on Tuesday (10/31) night.  If anyone knows the area around the 
convention center and can recommend a comfortable pub/bar/etc (that hopefully 
isn't closed for renovation.  Sorry about that!), let me know.

Lastly, don't forget there are other CG's that probably interest you whether 
you'll be at the Annual Conference or not  If you haven't checked lately, there 
are several new groups such as the DevOps and Young Professionals CGs.

https://www.educause.edu/discuss

I've also cross-posted this to the Network Management (NETMAN) group.

I hope to see all 2129 of you in Philly!

-Brian



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi Calling and texting

[McClintic, Thomas]

Tim,

Do you have anything with a link to this information from Palo Alto’s 
perspective? Ie. which protocols and such.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:08 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi Calling and 
texting

Vikki,
  What are you using for a firewall?  We had to open up a couple ingress 
protocols after we upgraded our PA firewall.  These protocols need to talk to 
servers on the Internet. PA’s latest models will block the handshaking unless 
ingress is open.  We found this to be predominately true for Apple phones, but 
seldom for Androids.   It also depending on the service.  We have no complaints 
now.

Tim

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 On Behalf Of Vikki Cutrone
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:40 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Question regarding the support of WiFi Calling and 
texting

We are running Eduroam as our SSID,  my Android phone can use eduroam to make 
WiFi calls or Texts, some users on campus, primary Apple devices cannot.  I was 
wondering if campuses are maintaining a best effort posture/policy  regarding 
BYOD's ?

Thanks

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Yahya M. Jaber 
> wrote:
Can you give us an example on the issues reported?, so I can understand your 
issue more.


Yahya Jaber.
CCIE Wireless.
055-869-7555
ITNC Engineering.
KAUST.



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On Oct 24, 2017 17:25, Vikki Cutrone 
> wrote:
I am the Network Administrator at Vassar College and I was wondering what 
position  institutions were taking regarding support and troubleshooting of 
clients trying to use the wireless for wifi calling and wifi texting?  I am 
getting a large amount of requests for this service but with the multitude of  
cell phones, operating systems and cell providers it is impossible to keep up.  
Any input about your institution's policy or thoughts on a potential policy 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

--
Vikki Cutrone
Network Administrator
Vassar College, Box 13
124 Raymond 
Ave
Poughkeepsie, NY 
12604-0013

845-437-7231
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RE: Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall Rooms

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

I sent Chris a wireless design presentation we made a couple of years ago.

We also use the Aruba ASE RF Optimization and Deployment Models 
https://ase.arubanetworks.com/solutions/id/75



Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
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From: Johnson, Christopher [mailto:cbjo...@ilstu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall Rooms

I was curious for those that based your deployments on RSSI if anyone had 
“minimum SNR requirements” for Residence Hall locations to help for those 
periods of time where there may be some source of momentary noise due to some 
devices that students may/will bring into their rooms?

Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION)
Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Umut Arus
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:54 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall Rooms

Hello,

Thank you for your replies. Love it. Great posts with so much valuable 
information.

thanks.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Sweetser, Frank E 
> wrote:

Speaking as yet another site that saw huge improvements going from in-hallway 
to in-room, there's another factor that hasn't been mentioned very much yet - 
the client side radio.  Even if you dump all kinds of special sauce on the AP, 
like Xirrus multi-sector or Ruckus Beamflex, you're still going to be dealing 
with the same low power, crappy antennas and radios in your clients.  That high 
end $2k AP may be able to push a signal through concrete, but your user with an 
iPhone 5 is still going to be out of luck.



You're better off going with even a bottom end AP per room, or every other 
room, than high end ones in hallway.  Check out the hospitality models, like 
the Aruba 203H (or whichever vendor you use - most offer something comparable). 
 They typically feature a few wired ports powered off of the AP uplink, so if 
you already have active ports you can just re-use them rather than having to 
light up new ones in every room.


Frank Sweetser
Director of Network Operations
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
"For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - 
HL Mencken


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Norton, Thomas (Network Operations) 
>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:57 PM

To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Best Wireless Solution for Residence Hall Rooms


We run a large Aurba shop at liberty, and have been running an all wireless 
solution in our dorms for some time now which were very happy with.



With that said every dorm environment is different, gathering requirements, 
predictive planning, and design are key especially when dealing with microcell 
deployments.



I would really look into what your trying to accomplish with an ap in every 
room, it really depends on the environment, your functional requirements, bw 
needs, and what your trying to support/accomplish. You should also always 
follow up after the fact to validate your deployment, and tune the rf 
appropriately.



I also highly advise against deploying access points in hallways due to 
multipath, LOS, and roaming issues it poses.



Aruba has some really cool tools and VRDs to help assist you in planning your 
designs. I’ve listed few links for reference below.



https://ase.arubanetworks.com



http://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Validated-Reference-Design/tkb-p/Aruba-VRDs/page/2





T.J. Norton

Wireless Network Architect

Network Operations



(434) 592-6552



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