Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
Thanks Curtis, missed the earlier amendment. Thanks, Bruce T. Johnson | Network Engineer | Partners Healthcare 617.726.9662 | Pager: 31633 | bjohns...@partners.org 149 13th Street, 10th Floor, Mailstop 10055B, Charlestown, Ma 02129 -Original Message- From: Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Received: Thursday, 05 Jul 2012, 5:02pm To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From:Watters, Johnjohn.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group ListservWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors. Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, here by solemnly request that Apple provide support or Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I know we have moved on to just talking about the petition but here is a response from an Apple engineer regarding the original issue. John, Please don't post my name directly to the list, but any AppleCare case numbers and RADAR feature request numbers would be helpful. As I am sure many are aware, to allow an iPad to talk to an Apple TV for AirPlay it must communicate directly, we would use AirPlay, which uses Bonjour. If anyone was looking for more management control over Bonjour traffic and services they absolutely could look at offerings from Aruba, Aerohive, Xirrus and even Cisco. Looking at the currently available options (like this one http://www.aerohive.com/pdfs/Aerohive-Solution_Brief-Bonjour_Gateway.pdf ), I would be happy to facilitate feature requests going forward! John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College 315.792.3102 http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Utica-College-Infrastructure/17598 9122467327 Description: facebook https://twitter.com/#!/UticaNet Description: twitter http://www.youtube.com/user/UticaNET Description: Description: \\tsclient\C\youtube.png From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:08 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition First, I'm not beholden to the text of the petition. If someone has suggestions for improving it, or re-writing it. I'm listening. Second, What would be the best way to collect official signatures to the petition ? Thrid, should we be engaging EDUCAUSE to see if they would publish an official press-release ? Thanks. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Kellogg, Brian D. bkell...@sbu.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:33 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Nice and thank you From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition Looking better. If we can get this to gel, and to the point where the majority of the schools sign on in a form that we can each present to our Apple reps (or however it gets to Apple), I have clearance to cover it for Network Computing Magazine for a bit of press. -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition How does this sound for an update (The latest is posted on the Facebook site): We the undersigned academic and research institutions hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks. With an Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus, this amounts to thousands of Apple client devices whose owners desire to use their Apple TV and other Bonjour/Airplay based devices in classrooms, conference rooms, and in other locations on standards-based, enterprise-secure networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for Apple TV's (and other Bonjour/Airplay enabled devices) be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 sub-nets. * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise). * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) services. Any enterprise Bonjour/Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: * It must scale to 100's-1000's of Bonjour/Airplay enabled devices. * It must work with wired and wireless networks from different vendors. * It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). * It must be easily manageable at scale. * If it requires a separate hardware solution, that the solution must be enterprise grade (rack mountable, dual power supplies, etc.) * It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a road map for
RE: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
This makes one wonder if Apple has much enterprise experience to pull from in their ranks. We're well aware of the other ways of supporting this, but it is usually at added cost to the institution. I'm grateful for other vendors who pick up Apple's slack and can make some money doing it, but it is my hope that Apple will start to seriously address the Enterprise at some point. Other solutions are after the fact and always catching up it seems. I would argue a more holistic and integrated offering to the Enterprise would serve Apple far better than the current perceived patchwork third party approach. Perhaps this is where they need to take some notes from MS and get third parties that better cater to the Enterprise intimately involved from the start. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Kaftan Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I know we have moved on to just talking about the petition but here is a response from an Apple engineer regarding the original issue. John, Please don't post my name directly to the list, but any AppleCare case numbers and RADAR feature request numbers would be helpful. As I am sure many are aware, to allow an iPad to talk to an Apple TV for AirPlay it must communicate directly, we would use AirPlay, which uses Bonjour. If anyone was looking for more management control over Bonjour traffic and services they absolutely could look at offerings from Aruba, Aerohive, Xirrus and even Cisco. Looking at the currently available options (like this onehttp://www.aerohive.com/pdfs/Aerohive-Solution_Brief-Bonjour_Gateway.pdf), I would be happy to facilitate feature requests going forward! John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College 315.792.3102 [cid:image001.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Utica-College-Infrastructure/175989122467327[cid:image002.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]https://twitter.com/#!/UticaNet[cid:image003.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]http://www.youtube.com/user/UticaNET From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu]mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:08 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edumailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition First, I'm not beholden to the text of the petition. If someone has suggestions for improving it, or re-writing it. I'm listening. Second, What would be the best way to collect official signatures to the petition ? Thrid, should we be engaging EDUCAUSE to see if they would publish an official press-release ? Thanks. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Kellogg, Brian D. bkell...@sbu.edumailto:bkell...@sbu.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:33 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Nice and thank you From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition Looking better. If we can get this to gel, and to the point where the majority of the schools sign on in a form that we can each present to our Apple reps (or however it gets to Apple), I have clearance to cover it for Network Computing Magazine for a bit of press. -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition How does this sound for an update (The latest is posted on the Facebook site): We the undersigned academic and research institutions hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks. With an Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus, this amounts
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
One more thing. I think use of an online petition tool might help things out organizationally. http://www.change.org/petition there are others, that was the first Google result. Mike On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [ curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [ neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From:Watters, Johnjohn.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors. Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, here by solemnly request that Apple provide support or Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
This has worked at least once before on Apple. http://www.change.org/petitions/apple-protect-workers-making-iphones-in-chinese-factories-3 According to the petition over 250,000 signed on to the appeal for change From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike King Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 6:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) One more thing. I think use of an online petition tool might help things out organizationally. http://www.change.org/petition there are others, that was the first Google result. Mike On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003tel:315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edumailto:curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313tel:801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003tel:315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938tel:319%20384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951tel:319%20335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081tel:319%20540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu From:Watters, Johnjohn.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group ListservWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN
RE: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I agree although I expect nothing will come of it. Their stock price is far too high for them to be bothered with concern. I wish I could be more of an optimist sometimes. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Boardman Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two reasons, so they know it's comming, and so they know it's important and not just a group of loud mouth limes. |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) One more thing. I think use of an online petition tool might help things out organizationally. http://www.change.org/petition there are others, that was the first Google result. Mike On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003tel:315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edumailto:curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313tel:801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003tel:315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
Thank you Lee. I definitely believe that it is a great use of the list...A request made by Academia and for Academia Let me add: Even as an Apple shareholder, (no conflict of interest, more of a vested interest in the matter ;-), I believe that it is way past our time to voice our opinion strongly. We cannot continue to create ugly hacks to support those enterprise non-friendly protocols. I love my Apple TV and can imagine that students and faculty feel the same. I would like to support these cool devices on campus, but how? (and without destroying my Wi-Fi!) The local Student Apple representative on our campus asked me if he could bring up an Apple Airport Extreme on campus to show the features of Airplay to students... (I almost lost it ;-). In a cense, we don't need to be too detailed in our request it could be: Apple! help use support AirPlay on our campus networks Just to start a dialog (and add a few specifics) Should we start with a petition, as you all suggested, and if we get no response, we try the FaceBook approach (create a group). Or immediately go the FB way? I agree with the maturity process of a week. Philippe Univ. of TN On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From:Watters, Johnjohn.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group ListservWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN
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Lets do both, petition that points to the FB page, that way it will be easier for Apple to circulate our concerns within apple., amaybe we get some enterprise particpation. |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Hanset, Philippe C [phan...@utk.edu] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 10:00 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) Thank you Lee. I definitely believe that it is a great use of the list...A request made by Academia and for Academia Let me add: Even as an Apple shareholder, (no conflict of interest, more of a vested interest in the matter ;-), I believe that it is way past our time to voice our opinion strongly. We cannot continue to create ugly hacks to support those enterprise non-friendly protocols. I love my Apple TV and can imagine that students and faculty feel the same. I would like to support these cool devices on campus, but how? (and without destroying my Wi-Fi!) The local Student Apple representative on our campus asked me if he could bring up an Apple Airport Extreme on campus to show the features of Airplay to students... (I almost lost it ;-). In a cense, we don't need to be too detailed in our request it could be: Apple! help use support AirPlay on our campus networks Just to start a dialog (and add a few specifics) Should we start with a petition, as you all suggested, and if we get no response, we try the FaceBook approach (create a group). Or immediately go the FB way? I agree with the maturity process of a week. Philippe Univ. of TN On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure
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Apple either does not care or they have not gotten the message. There is no way to know for sure which is the case. There is not a lot we can do about the former, however we can keep trying about regarding the latter. I think the petition is a positive and creative way for us to try and reach them from another angle and collectively. I am fairly excited about how this is coming together. I will forward this thread to our Apple Engineer as a heads up. John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I agree although I expect nothing will come of it. Their stock price is far too high for them to be bothered with concern. I wish I could be more of an optimist sometimes. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Boardman Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two reasons, so they know it's comming, and so they know it's important and not just a group of loud mouth limes. |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 _ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) One more thing. I think use of an online petition tool might help things out organizationally. http://www.change.org/petition there are others, that was the first Google result. Mike On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV
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I've added a section on solution criteria: Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets, or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Any enterprise Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: * It must scale to 100's-1000's of Airplay enabled devices. * It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). * It must be easily manageable at scale. * It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: John Kaftan jkaf...@utica.edumailto:jkaf...@utica.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:11 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) Apple either does not care or they have not gotten the message. There is no way to know for sure which is the case. There is not a lot we can do about the former, however we can keep trying about regarding the latter. I think the petition is a positive and creative way for us to try and reach them from another angle and collectively. I am fairly excited about how this is coming together. I will forward this thread to our Apple Engineer as a heads up. John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edumailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I agree although I expect nothing will come of it. Their stock price is far too high for them to be bothered with concern. I wish I could be more of an optimist sometimes. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Boardman Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two reasons, so they know it's comming, and so they know it's important and not just a group of loud mouth limes. |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.commailto:m...@mpking.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) One more thing. I think use of an online petition tool might help things out organizationally. http://www.change.org/petition there are others, that was the first Google result. Mike On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also
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I tried to create a Facebook group, but it's requesting I add members to it before it is created. Any suggestions ? -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Johnson, Neil Johnson neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I've added a section on solution criteria: Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets, or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Any enterprise Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: * It must scale to 100's-1000's of Airplay enabled devices. * It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). * It must be easily manageable at scale. * It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: John Kaftan jkaf...@utica.edumailto:jkaf...@utica.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:11 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) Apple either does not care or they have not gotten the message. There is no way to know for sure which is the case. There is not a lot we can do about the former, however we can keep trying about regarding the latter. I think the petition is a positive and creative way for us to try and reach them from another angle and collectively. I am fairly excited about how this is coming together. I will forward this thread to our Apple Engineer as a heads up. John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edumailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I agree although I expect nothing will come of it. Their stock price is far too high for them to be bothered with concern. I wish I could be more of an optimist sometimes. Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Boardman Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two reasons, so they know it's comming, and so they know it's important and not just a group of loud mouth limes. |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
For me, the key point is enterprise networks. When Bonjour first came to my attention, it was officially described as An experimental protocol for small networks without DNS servers. Apparently, Apple's thinking is that if you use their products, your network MUST qualify. I believe THAT is the attitude that needs to be changed. David Gillett From: Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 7:55 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) How about: Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets. * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets. * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Any enterprise Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: * It must scale to 100's-1000's of Airplay enabled devices. * It must work with wired and wireless networks from different vendors. * It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). * It must be easily manageable at scale. * If it requires a separate hardware solution, the solution's hardware must be enterprise grade (rack mountable, dual power supplies, etc.) * It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edumailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Ian McDonald i...@st-andrews.ac.ukmailto:i...@st-andrews.ac.uk Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) It must run on a standard size rack-mountable server class piece of hardware! I’m not big on “discovery”, I’d much rather some central registration arbiter system through which the traffic flowed, and probably a separate “Airplay Enterprise” software implementation. We don’t want to have to allow inter-client communications on either our wireless or wired networks. In general though, I’d like to see it looking like it’s a deployable and manageable solution, not something that might work (if you’re lucky) in your house. My 0.02 :) -- ian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: 06 July 2012 15:26 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I've added a section on solution criteria: Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets, or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
That is worth mentioning: I'll be disappointed if this petition is limited to AirPlay. The real target here is Bonjour. It's required for an iOS device to use wifi to sync to iTunes. Time Capsule uses it. It is rapidly becoming the cornerstone of Apple's networking story. In fairness, if we give Apple the benefit of the doubt on the experimental part of the mDNS description, then small networks without DNS servers perfectly describes the typical Apple deployment environment. Move beyond that, though, and the experiment has failed. Spectacularly. Just be careful what you ask for. Apple's likely response is to release a new line of AirPort access points for enterprise that work with Bonjour and make Cisco's pricing look like D-Link. Joel Coehoorn IT Director York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, David Gillett gillettda...@fhda.eduwrote: For me, the key point is enterprise networks. When Bonjour first came to my attention, it was officially described as An experimental protocol for small networks without DNS servers. Apparently, Apple's thinking is that if you use their products, your network MUST qualify. I believe THAT is the attitude that needs to be changed. David Gillett -- *From:* Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2012 7:55 AM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) How about: Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): - That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets. - That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets. - That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) - That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Any enterprise Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: - It must scale to 100's-1000's of Airplay enabled devices. - It must work with wired and wireless networks from different vendors. - It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). - It must be easily manageable at scale. - If it requires a separate hardware solution, the solution's hardware must be enterprise grade (rack mountable, dual power supplies, etc.) - It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Ian McDonald i...@st-andrews.ac.uk Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) It must run on a standard size rack-mountable server class piece of hardware! I’m not big on “discovery”, I’d much rather some central registration arbiter system through which the traffic flowed, and probably a separate “Airplay Enterprise” software implementation. We don’t want to have to allow inter-client communications on either our wireless or wired networks. In general though, I’d like to see it looking like it’s a deployable and manageable solution, not something that might work (if you’re lucky) in your house. My 0.02 J -- ian *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Johnson, Neil M *Sent:* 06 July 2012 15:26 *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re
Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors. Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, here by solemnly request that Apple provide support or Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors. Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, here by solemnly request that Apple provide support or Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From:Watters, Johnjohn.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group ListservWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors. Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, here by solemnly request that Apple provide support or Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as prudent list of the group is probably in order. Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? Thanks, Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky, but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only fast when you roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 AP's. Curtis Larsen Wireless Network Engineer University of Utah 801-587-1313 On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be media fodder. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a first pass): Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets or lacking that: * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu From:Watters, Johnjohn.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group ListservWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUWIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors. Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other locations, here by solemnly request that Apple provide support or Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. Thank you. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu
