Re: Utility Poles
All, We have recently acquired a new building and have started renovations on it. In the network plan I have included the light poles in the parking as part of the wireless and security camera infrastructure. I recently found out that the majority of light poles have some kind of AC or DC output to allow other devices to be attached (such as cameras or speakers). I found a couple of Cisco outdoor wireless access points that accept that DC input. We haven't implemented yet but I'll let you know how it goes. In short, it does seem like a good idea to take advantage of the poles. In particular, it makes adding security cameras and wifi in the parking lot easier. Phil Kono Network Engineer Art Center College of Design ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Utility Poles
Thank you Chuck! -H From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles FWIW, I think you make a good point. In practice, though, I’m not sure how effective it would be. Upgrades of campus lighting systems that include pathway changes are few and far between. If it takes 20 or 30 years to build out this network-friendly infrastructure, you run the risk that by the time it’s mature enough to use it may no longer be needed. It’s not the kind of plan I would implement on a knee-jerk basis. It definitely requires thoughtful design and a cost/benefit/risk analysis. I’m guessing outcomes will vary widely by institution, and maybe even by campus for a multi-campus institution. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles But that is the point I’m trying to make. Because of all the challenges that you have all mentioned, wouldn’t it be worth to have both a strategic plan and a collaboration with whoever is in charge of bringing up NEW poles, and address all of these concerns and issues so that you end up with a pole that is aesthetically pleasing and at the same time functional. I understand the issues that need to be addressed with existing poles. My idea was more focused toward new construction. Our campus is constantly evolving and changing, and I believe we’ve had some missed opportunities. Regards, -H From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like those “tree” cell towers. Haha! Happy Friday. Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School 70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256 On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of Watters, John" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU%20on%20behalf%20of%20john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int= o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are= decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr= ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha= t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason= for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light= s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n= ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi= res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot= her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20 Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio= nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned. John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346=20 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu=20<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu=20> -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL= ess-...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:ess-...@listserv.educause.edu>] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t= o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool = would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl= y to serve WiFi, but a
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles
FWIW, I think you make a good point. In practice, though, I’m not sure how effective it would be. Upgrades of campus lighting systems that include pathway changes are few and far between. If it takes 20 or 30 years to build out this network-friendly infrastructure, you run the risk that by the time it’s mature enough to use it may no longer be needed. It’s not the kind of plan I would implement on a knee-jerk basis. It definitely requires thoughtful design and a cost/benefit/risk analysis. I’m guessing outcomes will vary widely by institution, and maybe even by campus for a multi-campus institution. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles But that is the point I’m trying to make. Because of all the challenges that you have all mentioned, wouldn’t it be worth to have both a strategic plan and a collaboration with whoever is in charge of bringing up NEW poles, and address all of these concerns and issues so that you end up with a pole that is aesthetically pleasing and at the same time functional. I understand the issues that need to be addressed with existing poles. My idea was more focused toward new construction. Our campus is constantly evolving and changing, and I believe we’ve had some missed opportunities. Regards, -H From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like those “tree” cell towers. Haha! Happy Friday. Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School 70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256 On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of Watters, John" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of john.watt...@ua.edu <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU%20on%20behalf%20of%20john.watt...@ua.edu> > wrote: The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int= o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are= decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr= ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha= t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason= for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light= s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n= ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi= res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot= her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20 Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio= nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned. John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346=20 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu=20 <mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu=20> -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL= ess-...@listserv.educause.edu <mailto:ess-...@listserv.educause.edu> ] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t= o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool = would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl= y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public= safety, digital signage, and the ton of promises that the IoT is promisin= g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic pl= an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are differ
RE: Utility Poles
But that is the point I’m trying to make. Because of all the challenges that
you have all mentioned, wouldn’t it be worth to have both a strategic plan and
a collaboration with whoever is in charge of bringing up NEW poles, and address
all of these concerns and issues so that you end up with a pole that is
aesthetically pleasing and at the same time functional.
I understand the issues that need to be addressed with existing poles. My idea
was more focused toward new construction. Our campus is constantly evolving and
changing, and I believe we’ve had some missed opportunities.
Regards,
-H
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles
Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally
photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available
at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re
able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s
probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the
pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like
those “tree” cell towers. Haha!
Happy Friday.
Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School
70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256
On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
on behalf of Watters, John" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of
john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU%20on%20behalf%20of%20john.watt...@ua.edu>>
wrote:
The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int=
o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are=
decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr=
ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha=
t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason=
for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light=
s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n=
ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi=
res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot=
her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20
Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio=
nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned.
John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346=20
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu=20<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu=20>
-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL=
ess-...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:ess-...@listserv.educause.edu>] On
Behalf Of Hector J Rios
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM
To:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles
Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t=
o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool =
would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl=
y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public=
safety, digital signage, and the ton of promises that the IoT is promisin=
g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic pl=
an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are =
just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permi=
ssion. Thoughts?
Hector Rios
Louisiana State University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles
This problem can be addressed with a small, inexpensive transformer. It may have to go on the exterior of small poles, but you could probably find room inside a larger pole. Chuck Enfield Manager, Wireless Engineering Telecommunications & Networking Services The Pennsylvania State University 110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802 ph: 814.863.8715 fx: 814.865.3988 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:24 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like those “tree” cell towers. Haha! Happy Friday. Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School 70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256 On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of Watters, John" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of john.watt...@ua.edu <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU%20on%20behalf%20of%20john.watt...@ua.edu> > wrote: The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int= o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are= decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr= ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha= t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason= for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light= s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n= ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi= res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot= her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20 Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio= nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned. John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346=20 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu=20 <mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu=20> -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL= ess-...@listserv.educause.edu <mailto:ess-...@listserv.educause.edu> ] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t= o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool = would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl= y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public= safety, digital signage, and the ton of promises that the IoT is promisin= g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic pl= an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are = just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permi= ssion. Thoughts? Hector Rios Louisiana State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Gr= oup discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Utility Poles
Yes. And, we have a mix of voltages since we have some very old lights, some relatively new ones, and then some of the newest LED lights. John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama<https://www.ua.edu/> A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu> [The University of Alabama]<https://www.ua.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:24 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Even for lights not centrally switched (perhaps always-on, locally photocell-controlled) there’s also the issue of what kind of power is available at the poles. Our outdoor lights are 277 volt LED. At the very least, if you’re able to find a product to give you the power you need from that voltage, it’s probably going to be prohibitively expensive, and certainly not pretty on the pole. Your elegant lamp posts from the gaslight era will end up looking like those “tree” cell towers. Haha! Happy Friday. Eric LaCroix, Director of Technology, New Hampton School 70 Main Street • New Hampton, NH 03256 On 9/16/16, 3:53 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of Watters, John" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU%20on%20behalf%20of%20john.watt...@ua.edu>> wrote: The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed int= o the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are= decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in undergr= ound). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means tha= t there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason= for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the light= s. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the n= ext pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wi= res as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get anot= her power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable.=20 Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additio= nal wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned. John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346=20 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487=20 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu=20<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu=20> -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIREL= ess-...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:ess-...@listserv.educause.edu>] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard t= o provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool = would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not onl= y to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public= safety, digital signage, and the ton of promises that the IoT is promisin= g. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic pl= an, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are = just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permi= ssion. Thoughts? Hector Rios Louisiana State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Gr= oup discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Utility Poles
The main problem we have with doing this is getting a second power feed into the poles. All of our utilities are underground. And, all light poles are decorative black things without any visible wires (it all comes in underground). To make it worse, all lights are on a central switch which means that there is no power to the poles until the lights come on. Thus, the reason for a separate power feed so wireless could run independently of the lights. Also, light power typically loops into a pole and then back out to the next pole in the run, thus filling up the access holes with twice as many wires as would be desired (by us anyway), and leaving little room to get another power wire in (and also maybe back out) plus a small fiber cable. Underground utilities look good but can cause problems with needing additional wiring added for nice stuff such as you mentioned. John Watters Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A115 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870346 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-3992 john.watt...@ua.edu -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hector J Rios Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:45 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Utility Poles Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard to provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not only to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public safety, digital signage, and the ton of promises that the IoT is promising. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic plan, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permission. Thoughts? Hector Rios Louisiana State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Utility Poles
Has anyone on the list floated around the idea of establishing a standard to provide fiber and adequate power to light poles in your campus? How cool would it be to have these resources available so they could be used not only to serve WiFi, but a myriad of other things like security cameras, public safety, digital signage, and the ton of promises that the IoT is promising. I'm wondering if this is a cost effective thing to do? As a strategic plan, it seems to also make sense. I know all campuses are different. We are just lucky that we own our poles, so we have no issues with obtaining permission. Thoughts? Hector Rios Louisiana State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
