Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Peter R.
You could just add a line conditioner. Brad Belton wrote: We have found many (most all?) 10kW job site type generators do not work well if at all with APC UPS. In the event of a power failure we simply rent a 25kW towable diesel generator. Granted 25kW is way overkill for most any HUB site,

RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Brad Belton
Do you mean something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150135562844 This idea actually came up as a possible idea between another ISP and me not long ago. I can get the 5605 joule rated version (looks identical to the one listed above) for about $100.00. Brad

RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Brad Belton
This is true on the larger more expensive APC UPSs, but the smaller 500 - 750VA models don't have this feature, do they? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General

RE: [WISPA] FCC Public Notice

2007-07-01 Thread Charles Wu
But what about the 36 / 38 dBi antenna rule for 4 6 GHz? The SIA is all over Fibertower's 2' request in 11 GHz...imagine 4 GHz, which could knock out a lot of C-band downlinks (now, not being a satellite expert, I'm not sure of the current usage of this channel, but being that the SIA has tons

RE: [WISPA] FCC Public Notice - ugh...didn't read close enough

2007-07-01 Thread Charles Wu
Mike, Can you explain your plan on getting 1' panels passed in the 4 6 GHz bands? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Travis Johnson
Any of the Smart-UPS units have this option. There is a little push-button on the back that you can change the sensitivity without having to use the software. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: This is true on the larger more expensive APC UPSs, but the smaller 500 - 750VA models don't have

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Which ones? I'd only use Smart-UPS and AFAIK, they all have that feature. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:25

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
automatic transfer does not take place at one quarter of a cycle in a 60 cycle per second AC power supply, then the sensitive logic controllers of any network equipment, PLCs, etc will detect the automatic transfer as a possible zero voltage condition. So What? Does that matter, as it is a one

Re: [WISPA] FCC Public Notice

2007-07-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'd also add, I'm not certain everyone wants the antenna beamwidth requirements waived on these protected bands. I HIGHLY support NOT lowering the antenna size requirement for 11Ghz, as anything smaller than its at today, just compromises long haul backhaul applications, in which WISPs do not

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Unclean power will cause it to switch back and forth to\from the battery. As said, this is an adjustable setting on the UPS. What Felix is talking about is the switch from line to battery is detected as zero voltage by the powered equipment. There is no doubt that this exists and is an issue

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
Mike, Thanks for the clarification...And the information provided is All good and helpful. But this is where I'm confused With constant switching What makes characteristics of Constent switching. It should only switch ONCE or TWICE unnecessarilly (which is not Constent), when the

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Tom DeReggi
George, We investigated these units about 4 years ago, and they were our first pick for converting to Propaine backup. However, at the time we decided against it for cost reasons. We did not need 16Kwatt and we were not aware of a 7Kwatt model at that time. The $3500 for the 16K base unit is

RE: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga vs Dragonwave

2007-07-01 Thread Charles Wu
Hi John, Thanks for taking the time to respond...as usually, listserv emails just get typed out quickly late at night, and often are full of all sorts of mistakes...This time around, I at least took the time to review what I type once =) That said, it would be great if you'd be willing to

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread JohnnyO
Ok George - don't call me :) JohnnyO 337-764-5953 - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator If it was just for radios, I'd be just using ups with

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread dave
I'm in the market for a generator and came across this one. [ snipped link ] That's either the very same generator I have, or very close to it. (Actually, it's just very close. Ours can run on either propane or natural gas, and it's presently wired up for the latter.) Sadly, in the five

RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Brad Belton
So, you bought this LP Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered, including tax and transfer switch? http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id =370 That is an amazing deal! Maybe Lowe's made a mistake on the price? Brad -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator

2007-07-01 Thread Blake Bowers
Shame, you have some nice gensets - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator Ok George - don't call me :) JohnnyO 337-764-5953 - Original

[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT

2007-07-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: Richard J. Fiero II W5TFW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT I havent seen the legs of the tower to be honest, since I got out of the hospital, my lawyer has it he

[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT

2007-07-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: jeremy-ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Blake M [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill Winkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT First of all, ANY tower that is installed by burying a

[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT

2007-07-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: Roger (K8RI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Winkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Blake M [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT I can only tell you what I've done in the past. I'm

[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT

2007-07-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
fyi for you tower owners or soon to be tower owners. marlon - Original Message - From: Pete Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower ACCIDENT There is an excellent presentation by W3LPL from the 2006 Dayton