Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-14 Thread Blair Davis
I LOVE my Comets!!! Robert West wrote: I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a

Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-14 Thread Blair Davis
And a much better mount and a recessed, rain shielded N connector! 3-dB Networks wrote: The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board Daniel White 3-dB Networks

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)

2009-09-14 Thread Blair Davis
Switching to Belden 1300A, shielded with drain wire and shielded connectors has reduced static damage and the need to reboot/power cycle equipment by more than 50%. Mike Hammett wrote: People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable,

Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

2009-09-14 Thread Joe Miller
Looks like Acorn is trying to get in on this as well. From: CBB - Jay Fuller wispagra...@cyberbroadband.net To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List btop-...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List

[WISPA] Gartner predicts new digital divide - High-speed broadband to create communities of haves and have nots

2009-09-14 Thread Kevin Suitor
Gartner predicts new digital divide High-speed broadband to create communities of haves and have nots Ian Williams V3.co.uk, 09 Sep 2009 - Growth in localised, high-speed residential broadband services is beginning to open a new chasm between urban and rural areas in terms of internet access,

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Randy Cosby
Can you point us to your fcc certified 5.4 systems? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer

Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

2009-09-14 Thread Robert West
Where will the Executive Summaries be posted, what area? I too am interested in seeing some of the content of the applications. - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List' Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:21 PM

Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

2009-09-14 Thread Travis Johnson
And yet, still no RSSI display on the radio itself :( Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
http://store.jeffcosoho.com, I don't know if the 5.4 is on there. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread eje
With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Sylvester
The executive summaries with confidential information removed are due today at 5pm. My guess is they will be posted to www.broadbandusa.gov within a week. The instructions want people to printout the executive summary, blackout the confidential information, scan it into a PDF and send it back.

Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

2009-09-14 Thread 3-dB Networks
The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread AJ
Port 81 blocked here locally by our corporate content filter :( On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too. We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe. Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Josh Luthman
This doesn't work (can't get to port 81; if it's MT check to see that you have an admins list and a default drop input policy on it): http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the towers recently. It tested plenty fast but pings would

Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-14 Thread Bob Elliott - RCS
Jason, You don't happen to have a parts list left laying around do you? Bob Elliott Information Systems RCS Communications 502.587.7384 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009

[WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

2009-09-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Didn't work for me either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread ralph
Marlon- You asked, and you probably already know what I will say Airaya and others: FCC Certified Mikrotik- Not so much It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to work fine for us, just don't mount it outside. Ralph

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website:

[WISPA] 802.11n standard finally approved

2009-09-14 Thread Randy Cosby
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10351215-94.html Excerpt: 9/11/09 As predicted last month http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10293958-94.html, the IEEE has finally approved the 802.11n high-throughput wireless LAN standard. Finalization of the new wireless networking standard--which is

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone you know of working on Mtik FCC certified 5.4 solution? I noticed the new R52n card was certified for 5.4. Dennis Burgess wrote: MT is FCC Certified :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Cameron Kilton
Does this mean we can use 5.4Ghz with MT? -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices A MT distributor

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Randy Cosby
Do you have to go through separate certification for the 5.4 DFS / TPC, or just based on the existing certification of the card? Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: We have done plenty of them. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
A MT distributor has to go though the entire process to build and sell a FCC certified System,.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support

Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

2009-09-14 Thread Brad Belton
Agreed...need more information before anyone should get too excited. Tell us the basics like what payload capacity will a single Quantum radio pair produce with: (1) 30MHz wide channel (2) 40MHz wide channel (3) 80MHz wide channel Best, Brad -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Matt
We test with speakeasy.net most of the time. It can be jerky too.  We've got nearly 400 wireless or fiber to the home (plus servers) subs on a 20 meg pipe.  Here's the current usage: http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/uplink-to-pud/ I did have to upgrade a backhaul link to one of the

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread 3-dB Networks
I like the Radwin 2000 links (especially because of their price) for unlicensed... although Orthogon still has a warm spot in my heart (although they are more expensive) For licensed... I only choose Dragonwave... Hard to beat the price of a Mikrotik setup... but there are also a lot of

Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

2009-09-14 Thread sales
Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that

Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

2009-09-14 Thread sales
Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric company and he had no idea that they ceased opporations. He is not aware there is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested in avoiding another situation from another cable company that

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread 3-dB Networks
And I should point out... the Radwin Radios are quad band out of the box (2.4GHz, 5.2GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Randy Cosby
That's what I thought. Anyone know anything different? Jeffscosoho's site is lacking in detail. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: With current implementation MT can not be DFS/TPC certified since it does meet the FCC requirements. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Grin I guess that was a decent choice of port for my purposes then! lol marlon - Original Message - From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio Port 81 blocked

Re: [WISPA] [Btop-bip] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

2009-09-14 Thread Chuck Bartosch
There's no way to know that until they do it since the link doesn't exist yet-and even if they told us it will be at such-and-such link, you're about even odds for them actually putting it at the link they tell you. But, it will no doubt be on the NTIA web site at the least, just as the

Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum

2009-09-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple antennas ? The website tells the up to number... Rubens On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-14 Thread Al Stewart
I get time out problems. Firefox says the site was taking too long to respond. Al -- At 08:03 AM 09/14/2009 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: --- That link popped right open for me. I'm also outside of that network. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman

[WISPA] Fwd: Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
7mhz channel. Depending on the setting and service level I want to give. I have 40ms coming from my upstream and my customers is getting around 65ms give or take. 0 lost packets. I have bandwith shaping enabled and Q-RED. Adaptive modulation with most values staying at QAM 64 3/4.

[WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what others are using. I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of the most reliable gear that I've ever used. I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of it in over the

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread lakeland
I will second the Radwin. Its a good chooce for the price Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:07:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I like the Radwin

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Can someone add the Radwin along with street pricing to the microwave backhaul wiki? http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-14 Thread Patrick Leary
Very true statement re quite a lot of new concepts to learn, but once you get the general idea it's not a problem. We have certainly found that to be the case with WISPs moving from older solutions and Wi-Fi based products. There is a learning curve with WiMAX that some I think are uncomfortable

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Looks like we were going with MSRP, not street prices. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 14,

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-14 Thread Patrick Leary
The D standard does not include support for diversity, though nothing technically prevents a company from making a D product that could (except money!). Our position is just that is adds major CAPEX to the build-out beyond the justification for most WISPs. Plus, there are elements of E that WISPs

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
There is DFS2 information in there. You would need to verify that the N card is certified in the 5.4 band. Don't know on that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc

[WISPA] longhorn towers

2009-09-14 Thread Marco Coelho
Anyone remember Longhorn Towers from Austin Texas. Back in 1986, they erected a tower we just purchased. I can't seem to find any mention of them anywhere. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036

[WISPA] Fatality today

2009-09-14 Thread Blake Bowers
Justin Stamps, 26 years old, from Wagoner OK is the person who lost his life today in Rover MO. Audio of the 911 dispatch and response will be available at www.wirelessestimator.com later this evening. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor,

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
To be fair, in backhaul list We should include. Trango Tlink45 - 45mbps $2000 Bridgewave LTE60 - 60Ghz 100mb FDX - $8000 street (not sure MSR) As well... From my understanding SnapLink is priced per Side, not per link. I thought it was $6000 x2 = $12000 per link. As well, I thought the

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
Snaplink is roughly $8795 MSRP per link, 160Mbps half duplex, 24GHz. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
Not to double email, I thought I would also say that the 40Mbps SNaplink is $6995 MSRP. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread ralph
Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC certified system make. Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. Something like the RB/card/enclosure combination. Maybe

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
As a MT Distributor, MT contacts us from time to time to have their systems FCC tested with various different antennas. I for one know that we have shipped ARC Wireless 2.4 19dB and ARC 2.4 15dB and ARC 5GHz 23dB antennas for CPEs, and MANY MANY Pac Wireless Antennas to their FCC certification

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Which would mean that MT is FCC certified. The box would be running MT, regardless of the card, box, antenna, etc. Travis Microserv ralph wrote: Pretty broad statement: MT is FCC Certified :) Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if they are, that does not an FCC

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
Go to: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm Put in Mikrotik for the applicant name. You will see their modular approval listed for their various products. R52, R52-350 (R52H),R2N, R52N, RB/411AR, R5H, etc. To get more into detail about the antennas, you will need to

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-14 Thread eje
Once again the host board does not need to be more the part B certified which is a self certified process (documentation is on routerboard.com). TVS-R52 is certified with routerboard and a slew high gain antennas. Every time I hear this argument about system certified as complete system I

Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

2009-09-14 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Depends on what you want to do with the cable, condition of the cable, etc. I did some tests with coaxial ethernet and were very impressed. Now only I could have got the local plants that went down for some larger scale testing. sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Ok here is the current situation.

Re: [WISPA] Fatality today

2009-09-14 Thread RickG
Actual link is http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Breaking%20News Be safe and careful out there guys! -RickG On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Justin Stamps, 26 years old, from Wagoner OK is the person who lost his life today in Rover