[WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread Jeremie Chism
There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread Eric Rogers
Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex fiber module

2010-08-18 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 21:30, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Those of you familiar with which ones work do you know which model from this website will work best? http://www.oemoptic.com/ The whole point of SFPs is that (in theory, anyway) they're pretty much interchangeable,

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 06:42, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 08:47, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Depends on the radio, but

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread jp
That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:47:22AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

2010-08-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
This looks a lot like multipath. What size grid are you using? For only 3 miles a small 15 dB or less panel should be more than enough. Try moving the end up or down, sometimes by only a couple of feet. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

2010-08-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Look for things like buildings with new metal roofs etc. in the path... marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance In my mind, you have

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

2010-08-18 Thread Michael Baird
Rick I didn't read the entire thread, but generally when you see a low TX like that on Ubiquiti and the RSSI indicates it should be stronger it's an ACK issue, specifically too short of an ack calculation. Make sure you are using a fixed ACK on those, and that it is set high enough to cover

[WISPA] International Fiber

2010-08-18 Thread Jason Hensley
Anyone familiar with fiber routes / connections in Africa? Specifically in Zambia. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8 The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna. 50 TR-902-11 as clients All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were starting to decline. Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Changed frequencies? Are all customers having problems or just several? many? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment. Backhaul to

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Larry Yunker
You need to see what is going through your network from that AP. My suggestion is to get a packet sniffer set up between the AP and the Backhaul. You want to narrow the scope of your search with regards to the problem. The the problem could be caused by the type of traffic on your network or

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Spott
Do you have public IPs on this tower, can one of us log in and look? Are you keeping cacti or MRTG graphs of your signal strength etc? If I still lived in Boonville I would be over in a heart-beat! ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a tower with all

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Bret Clark
900MHz is scary to work with...we've seen problems in the past from someone just getting a wireless 900MHz baby monitor that would affect others in the general area of the home. It could also be that someone is hogging or trashing your bandwidth too. Do you implement any type of QoS? On

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
anybody using multiple ubnt sr71-15 with/without any inteference issue? Thank you in advance That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Jerry Richardson
My first instinct is this is a traffic issue. Are you monitoring traffic through the AP and SM's? Possible sources: Customer with an infected PC spewing upstream IP camera with a remote viewer - will use as much BW as it can gobble up P2P application seeding multiple streams - Jerry From:

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
bridge loop? arp storm? That's an awful lot of clients on that one AP. If all your CPEs are in bridge mode you could have alot of customer routers creating an arp storm for you. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:22

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
All clients Changed channels several times NGL -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Changed frequencies? Are all

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Jerry Richardson
Also, is there a spectrum analyzer or something that will tell you what the noise looks like? It may be new interference. Possible sources: - Smart Meters - Farm Equipment Control Systems - Another 900MHz WISP (Canopy will beat up an 802.11 based 900 system) - Jerry From:

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread Justin Wilson
Kurt had an insteresting thread awhile back where he had 2 cards and a spectrum analyzer. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Justin Wilson
Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Jason Hensley
If you're assigning static IP's to customers, make sure you don't have a conflict. In the past with issues like this I would just start bumping people, starting with the newest ones first, until the issue clears up. We now run monitors that track down issues like this pretty quick too. Dude has

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ -- From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterWe have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread David Hannum
Can you check for packet loss on the loop? We've seen this kind of thing happen when a nic card in a BH radio went bad and started dropping a steady 20% of the packets. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.comwrote: You

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 8/18/2010 11:48 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ backhaul is on 900 too? -- From: Leon D. Zetekoffwa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Justin Wilson
If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it¹s either

[WISPA] Form 477 Reports Due Sept. 1st

2010-08-18 Thread Rick Harnish
This is a reminder that the FCC Form 477 Report is due September 1st. All broadband service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power line providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC's Form 477.

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 8/18/2010 12:00 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? also what are signal levels from CPEs and

Re: [WISPA] International Fiber

2010-08-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Check the maps on telecomramblings.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/18/2010 10:02 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone familiar with fiber routes / connections in Africa? Specifically in Zambia. Thanks!

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
If you have 50 clients on 5MHz you need to change IMO. - Original Message - From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Spott
Log into 5 customer radios. Change secondary SSID on the CPE to something different from your APs SSID. Change your AP SSID to match this new one. Do this a few times until you find the problem client(s). 50 clients is A LOT for a TR902F. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ~NGL~

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterThat is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List From: Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Justin Wilson
Ryan is correct. 50 clients on 900 5mhz is quite a bit, even at sub 128k service levels. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Ryan Spott

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 8/18/2010 12:18 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: That is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

2010-08-18 Thread RickG
Hey Marlon, Thanks for the input. One thing I put wrong here was the link is actually 6 miles. I doubt it's multipath though since both ends are on towers that are on hilltops much higher than the surrounding area with clear LOS. I tried several radios antenna combos though from big to small. It

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

2010-08-18 Thread RickG
Michael, Thanks for the tip. I saw you mentioned this previously and fixed a few flaky issues by turning off auto. Thanks again! -RickG On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Rick I didn't read the entire thread, but generally when you see a low TX like

Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?

2010-08-18 Thread RickG
I love UBNT. I've been upgrading backhauls to RocketM's and CPE to BulletM's and/or NanoM's. Customers keep mentioning the network seems faster faster. The word on the street is we're faster than cable dsl! The only issue I've had so far is that the legacy radios dont like UBNT AP's. On Wed,

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Re: [WISPA] Major DisasterThere are some troubleshooting steps you need to take. I don't see them listed here. Call me and we'll talk this out some more. 509.988.0260 First, what speed do you see on the network from the noc? What speed at the end of the backhaul? What happens when you go to

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Chris Gotstein
We run the Tranzeo 902nf radios as APs and the most we can get on them is about 10-15 clients. After that performance declines rapidly. How you ever got 50 on there is amazing. We have since moved to a MT AP using a zcom gz901 card, and the performance has been much better. Tranzeo radios just

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
Umac when running good this morning around 5.5% now running slow about 18% At time getting to AP is ify Firmware is 5.0.5 -- From: Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Chris Gotstein
I would say you are overloading the AP. Probably caused by a client sending a bunch of junk packets and overloading it. What is the modulation speed that your clients are connecting at? I would try disabling the clients that are running 1mbs, see if that helps. Chris

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Larry Yunker
It sounds like you are focusing in on a radio problem but you have ignored the possibility of a traffic-related problem. You need to recognize that in a non-polling or a dynamic-polling environment, the upstream traffic from your clients will have an impact on the performance of your network and

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread ~NGL~
If I replace the 180 degree antenna and replace it with 3 tr-902 -11 what spacing do I need between them? NGL -- From: ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread John Valenti
Don't know if this is possible at your site, but can you add a second AP? Just switch polarity, channels and try to separate the antenna by 10'+ Then start moving clients over until you have them ~50/50. Good luck. On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: Umac when running good this morning

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread John Valenti
Whoops, sorry. My last reply suggested adding an AP w/different polarity. That would require going to 1/2 the clients and rotating their antenna. (was thinking of Trango's automatic polarity switching) On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: Umac when running good this morning around 5.5%

Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Spott
Don't use the 180Degree antenna. use 2 TR-902-11 they have 55*H and 60*V... should be good to go with 2. I would also look into a zcomax in a mikrotik or at the least, an EL-900: http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EL-900-Series @ $300 they are not too bad. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at

[WISPA] UPS with IP

2010-08-18 Thread Steve Barnes
I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Finding cacti ethernet graphing template for MT 4.x

2010-08-18 Thread Justin Mann
Hello, I am looking for some working Cacti traffic templates for Mikrotik routers, RouterOS version 4.x, for graphing ethernet interfaces. I found templates for 3.x, but they do not appear to work. I also found numerous 4.x templates for wireless interfaces, CPU load, et cetera, but I would

Re: [WISPA] Finding cacti ethernet graphing template for MT 4.x

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Spott
I am using the standard SNMP interface graphs for ethernet on my ROS4.X router. Seems to work well. ryan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.comwrote: Hello, I am looking for some working Cacti traffic templates for Mikrotik routers, RouterOS version 4.x, for

Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Nash
I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes

Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

2010-08-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A

Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

2010-08-18 Thread Ryan Goldberg
We do tripp lite SU750 series, like $350, plus the $200 IP card. The ups is dual conversion. Line interactive is garbage. Just sayin.. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

2010-08-18 Thread Jeremie Chism
Good link. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay

Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-18 Thread Rogelio
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any Munis using Ruckus? They have a city in India, I believe. (Can anyone else confirm this? I can't remember the city) WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-18 Thread Justin Wilson
Mumbai had a test network setup in part of the city last I knew. Not sure the purpose. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Rogelio

Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput

2010-08-18 Thread Mark Dueck
Thank you all for your responses. I change the AP to B mode only, then set the ACK manually and now it's performance is on par with the Tr6600 we had before. I also changed 1 client to another AP. Mark On 08/12/2010 11:56 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Hi Everyone, I had a bunch of my