Re: [WISPA] MT RB toughness?

2010-10-05 Thread Josh Luthman
I would say they're all the same. 750 is cheaper. On Oct 4, 2010 11:50 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Lightning took out my RB-750 today. This is the second one I lost to lightning. Are the RB-450's any better made or more resistant to lightning? I have protection, shielded ethernet

Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Legacy loops (DS3/OC3) are some of the most expensive local loop transport circuits. There is no single way to find an alternate / less expensive local loop transport. The amount of options greatly varies on exactly where you are. It could be an alternate CLEC, Local Cable Company, Fiber

Re: [WISPA] MT RB toughness?

2010-10-05 Thread Dennis Burgess
Sounds simply like a grounding issue to me. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training -

Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-05 Thread Charles n wyble
I agree. Lots of options. I suggest getting a list of who is in the meet me room at your closest carrier hotel. That's how I found a couple of fiber providers I didnt know about (socal Edison and Burbank dwp ). Some hotels have wireless meet me rooms for backhaul. Any way to backhaul from a

Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-05 Thread Matt
For those of you who are purchasing circuits from ATT, you should consider joining FISPA, and getting ATT discounted pricing thru the FISPA contracts. Most of ATT products priced thru FISPA are at some of the steepest discounts (especially in the old BellSouth Territories). Got a quote from

Re: [WISPA] MT RB toughness?

2010-10-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ground the roof. I have a hay barn where there are some AC mains just 14ft away and it induces about 80VAC to the roof. We first thought there was a ac break someplace, but we shut down ALL the power to the property. Unless the bread is in the weather head to the meter base/breaker panel (all

Re: [WISPA] MT RB toughness?

2010-10-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
Yeah, the problem is this is a residential setting, I can't do a ring ground with all the necessary rods. But it does have a good ground rod at the service entrance where everything is grounded. I just took the equipement off the roof and put it up on a metal pole standing on the ground. I

Re: [WISPA] MT RB toughness?

2010-10-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
That's great info! Thanks! I was going to ground the roof but I was afraid I'd be inducing transients into the ground system (using that term loosely - it's one ground rod) and maybe damage more than I already was. For safety the roof probably should be grounded, but as far as the gear goes

[WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Bob Moldashel
I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is probably a real steal if you want to take it down. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=11885page=8 Look at items 170 and 186 If you are interested and need someone to take it down. get me off list. I can

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Look at 186, too. It is a tower almost identical to 170. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I don't know if anyone is looking for real steel but here is

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Blake Bowers
I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Bob Moldashel
They free stand for about 6 seconds if you cut all the guys at the same time! :-) Blake Bowers wrote: I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread RickG
Or even one guy! On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: They free stand for about 6 seconds if you cut all the guys at the same time! :-) Blake Bowers wrote: I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Whoops I thought it said 180 with the BS generator. On Oct 5, 2010 11:13 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I think Bob already mentioned that - where he said look at 170 and 186. They don't look like free standing towers though! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we

[WISPA] New TV White Spaces Mapping tool for Google Earth

2010-10-05 Thread Brian Webster
As promised I have created an updated Google Earth map file (20 meg) with the latest TV contours out of the FCC database (8-2010). This mapping tool does not take in to account Cable TV head ends and the back links for TV translators to their donor stations. It also does not have the map contours

Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

2010-10-05 Thread Robert West
Just tell them you are not at liberty to say due to the NDA you signed with your provider. Keep them in the dark. I was made Hip to that by an ISP dude I was friends with almost 10 years ago. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Robert West
Cheap until you shell out the jack to take it down properly. FREE would be a better deal. Been there, not cheap if done right., Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:18

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Blake Bowers
20 feet with a good foundation? Depending on the base. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread RickG
Thats all? Its gotta be some pretty big stuff. You'd think it could be at least 50 or more. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: 20 feet with a good foundation? Depending on the base. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here!

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Scott Carullo
I've seen people (and climbed them) that had about 70 feet of tower free-standing with about 12 feet buried in a lot of cement Scott Carullo Technical Operations 877-804-3001 x102 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:44

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Blake Bowers
I am not really sure how you can make such a claim when the picture does not show the face, etc of the tower. I cannot imagine something like M54 tower freestanding to 70 feet with 12 feet buried in concrete. Just saying... Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here!

Re: [WISPA] Looking for a real tower????

2010-10-05 Thread Blake Bowers
It may be large, but the structural forces are very much different on a tower that was designed to hold that much down pressure while guyed and that much spread out over a self support spread base. You could go higher than 20, but stability, dependability, etc would suffer REAL quickly. The